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(Message started by: Topical on Aug 7^th, 2005, 5:29pm)

Title: OMG
Post by Topical on Aug 7^th, 2005, 5:29pm

I guess it is hell day on the history channel. Everything you wanted to know about hell but were afraid to ask.

They just had this preacher on who believes demons inhabit people. He's doing the usual exorcism routine, pointing his finger at one young lady. "You have no legal right to be in her. I command thee satan be-gone!!"

Did he actually say that? I just about fell out of my chair laughing. There was an ackward pause and then he continued on his quest to rid people of their money....errr I mean the devil.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by LeLimey on Aug 7^th, 2005, 5:34pm

Obviously someone else confusing lawyers with the ole fella downstairs!! ;;D

Title: Re: OMG
Post by cootie on Aug 7^th, 2005, 8:38pm

I had a girfriend in high school that had that done regularly.......flipped me out when she told me about it.......she went to some sort of chruch ritual place where they pulled demons out of her and she said she'd go into some sort of freaked out trance while they did it or rite before !!! I used to get invited over to her house but I would NOT go over.......it sorta scared me.......that's sum wierd shit and 'what were her parents like' that let that happen every Sunday or so many times a month !!?? She was sort of an odd person.......probly didn't know who she really was since she was full of DEVILS more then she wasn't. Weird stuff.......had a few freinds turn on me with religion and try to get me into there CULTS. And yeah......money was the root of anuther type of evil. Don't touch that soul Pam

Title: Re: OMG
Post by clarence on Aug 7^th, 2005, 9:57pm

Is it ironic that in a thread where the spiritual is, for lack of a better term, set aside, the title of the thread is O(h) M(y) G(od)?

Just curious.

Casey

Title: Re: OMG
Post by cootie on Aug 7^th, 2005, 10:37pm

Oh My Gosh..........G wording Pam 8)

Title: Re: OMG
Post by nani on Aug 7^th, 2005, 10:53pm

Irony? Hmmm...good question.

You know what bothers me about this...
...if the devil is the one that causes one to sin.... where does personal responsibility come in? Even growing up Catholic and forced into a confessional every Saturday... I used to wonder if it wasn't just a big cop out. Do what you want, ask for forgiveness, and go out and do what you want again.
I fully claim all of my behavior, and sorry, the only devil in me has been trying to eat my eye for 32 years.

not a sinner by choice, nani

Title: Re: OMG
Post by AussieBrian on Aug 7^th, 2005, 11:14pm

Remarkably, people blame the bread for landing buttered-side down on the floor - as if the bread's fault.

They won't take responsibility for actually dropping it, or ffor buttering the wrong side in the first place.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Charlie on Aug 7^th, 2005, 11:32pm

Steve Allen worte a book some years ago called:

Dumbth.

Good title and this is an example.
That's what we need: snake handlers and cults.

As Bill Maher has said about these lunatics that think goofball religion is the answer to everything, teaching Darwin and rational science are nonos: It's not just wrong; it's stupid.

Nonsense gets lots of press. Sad.

Charlie

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Langa on Aug 8^th, 2005, 12:07am

on 08/07/05 at 21:57:36, clarence wrote:

Is it ironic that in a thread where the spiritual is, for lack of a better term, set aside, the title of the thread is O(h) M(y) G(od)?

Just curious.

Casey

[smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 8^th, 2005, 7:23am

Demons... LMAO!! (Thinking of the elevator scene in "Shallow Hal" ) LMAO!

Title: Re: OMG
Post by cootie on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:26am

My friend told me she could SEE them when they were pulled out.....they were some sort of mysterious shadows !! Gave me the willies.....these people believed this so strongly they were seeing and believeing. She used to be into sayonces also (spelling).......used to want to have them in the schools print shop dark room. (I took print shop a year in 11th grade) THAT creeped me out too but it was funny cuz she get guinea pig people to go in there and lock the door with a chair (our teacher was an older man that could barely hear or see so we got away with alot but he was a sweetie)....and some of us would hide and toss stuff or make sounds. But she got into it so deep it was still FREAKY......had nuther freind some swore was a witch esp a few guys she got mad at that dumped her. They said she threaten'd them with some sort of 'spell' and they went home and fell down stairs and all sorts of things went wrong. Mind over sudgestion Pam

I don't hang around with ANY of those people now.....dumped them gracefully when I graduated. Interestingly strange expirience tho.....one of life's short roads you take.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by alienspacebabe on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:28am

WTF?

Okay, okay... I do have respect for others' religious beliefs and ways of expressing them.... But the wording of that does bring up a giggle or two...

Lizzie, who's spiritual but not religious

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:34am

on 08/07/05 at 21:57:36, clarence wrote:

Is it ironic that in a thread where the spiritual is, for lack of a better term, set aside, the title of the thread is O(h) M(y) G(od)?

Just curious.

Casey

Perhaps slightly better than "Holy Shit!" :o [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: OMG
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:47am

Is this better?

NYSE Listing: OMG

OM Group, Inc., through its subsidiaries, engages in the production and marketing of metal-based specialty chemicals, powders, alloys, and related materials worldwide. It offers cobalt-based products manufactured using cobalt and other metals, including copper, zinc, manganese, and calcium, as well as nickel-based products. The company also produces specialty chemicals and materials from barium, calcium, iron, manganese, potassium, rare earths, stainless steel, zinc, and zirconium. It serves aerospace, hard metal tools, appliance, rubber, automotive, ceramics, paints and ink, catalysts, electronics, petrochemicals, stainless steel, magnetic media, and rechargeable battery chemicals industries, as well as other manufacturers using specialty chemicals. OM Group is headquartered in Cleveland, Ohio.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by cootie on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:49am

I love sayin 'goin to hell in a rust bucket' but have NO IDEA where it started or why or it's real meaning. Would it be better to go in a shiney chrome bucket....or pink one with flowers maybe ? Plastic bucket family Pam

I spelled the word 'in' wrong......my wierd mood today is showing !!! Sheesh..............

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 8^th, 2005, 12:05pm

Can I get a wicker handbasket? [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: OMG
Post by clarence on Aug 8^th, 2005, 1:17pm

on 08/07/05 at 22:37:42, cootie wrote:

Oh My Gosh..........G wording Pam 8)

Sorry, forgot about that one.

Sounds like you have had some strange experiences with people way out on a limb Pam.

And, Frank, I happen to like "Holy Shit."

Anyone seen Constantine? Or how about The Prophecy?

Casey, who believes in something other than what can be explained, but is all for personal responsibility, and science (to a certain extent).

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 8^th, 2005, 1:36pm

hmmm. Nani's post got me to thinking. (when I do that my head hurts)

Remember the place in the bible where Jesus casts out the devil in some poor slob who appears to be possessed?

Cluster headaches, maybe? hmmm. ;)

I am Catholic and I refuse to add anymore to this thread. ;;D

Linda

Title: Re: OMG
Post by clarence on Aug 8^th, 2005, 8:00pm

on 08/08/05 at 13:36:54, Linda_Howell wrote:

Actually, Jesus casts out many demons in the Gospels. For instance, Jesus casts a demon out of a child who goes into fits and periodically throws himself into a fire. Much Biblical scholarship over the past century or so has decided to view many of those things attributed to demons in the Bible as medical conditions, such as Epilepsy. I think it is completely legitimate to attribute some of these phenomonea to medical conditions, that Jesus is said to have subsequently healed. In the Ancient Near East, it seems very likely to me that conditions that people just did not understand would be attributed to spiritual forces. In that culture, I imagine that something like CH would be seen as demonic in origin.

This, however, does not explain away the New Testament's affirmation of the spiritual. Though many of these instances can be attributed to medical conditions, it does not explain instances in which demons speak to Jesus or his disciples.

I always find it interesting how all of our conclusions are revised by new discoveries, so that some knowledge that once was considered incontrovertable is now or will be viewed as rubbish.

Casey

Title: Re: OMG
Post by BikerBob on Aug 8^th, 2005, 10:15pm

This thread reminds me of an ABC News PrimeTime Live show I saw a few weeks ago about "John of God", a healer in remote central Brazil. They couldn't expose him as a quack. They left the impression that he really is a healer and they don't know how he does it. Here's the story:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Primetime/story?id=939529&page=1

During his "treatment" he takes four-inch gauze-tipped steel forceps, dips them in a solution he calls "holy water," and shoves the forceps all the way up a patient's nostril and twists them violently.

After the show, I sent this email to PrimeTime Live:

Thanks for your PrimeTime Live show about "John of God" in Brazil. The one thing you should have done but didn't do was get a sample of the liquid in the glass that he soaked the gauze in the forceps in before he twisted it around in the nasal passage. I'm sure it contained a very strong dose of Ayahuasca.

Ayahuasca is a drink famous in the Amazon. Used by many tribes for visionary, healing, and cleansing ceremonies, it's traditionally prepared a number of different ways. It always includes yage (Caapi). [The Banesteriopsis Caapi plant contains MAOI's (mono amide oxidase inhibitors).] Some tribes consume the yage alone, as it is by itself a powerful entheogen with an energizing visionary experience. The powerful Ayahuasca preparation, depending on the tribe preparing it, can also be prepared with a number of admixtures, which may include one or more of the following plants; Psychotria viridis, Diplopterys Cabrerana, Mimosa hostilis root bark, and others not mentioned here. These plants are rich in tryptamines which are normally dormant, but in the presence of MAOI's these compounds become active. This is a powerful visionary and spiritual brew used for thousands of years by the Shamans in Peru, Brazil and other South American countries for healing and spiritual purposes. They believe that the Ayahuasca drink heals your spirit, soul, mind, and body.

It has been scientifically proven that such hallucinogens affect the 5HT neuro receptors and the 5HT functions of the raphe nuclei in such a way that floods the brain with a powerful serotonergic effect that can heal a variety of serious medical problems. Here's another example of how hallucinogenic substances can heal a severe medical problem:
http://www.clusterbusters.com

One of the people who knows the most about hallucinogen's effects on neurology and brain chemistry is Franz Vollenweider. See
http://www.heffter.org/pages/bod/fxv.html and
http://www.neuroscience.unizh.ch/e/groups/vollen00.htm

Regards,

Title: Re: OMG
Post by clarence on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:13pm

BB,

That is pretty cool. Did you get a response?

Casey

Title: Re: OMG
Post by don on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:21pm

Quote:

if the devil is the one that causes one to sin.... where does personal responsibility come in?

One translation of the Christian Bibles says the devil does not CAUSE you to sin but TEMPTS you to sin. That is nwhere personal responsibility comes in.

It also comes in to play in the Visnu and Buddist teachings.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by BobG on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:34pm

on 08/07/05 at 22:53:59, nani wrote:

...if the devil is the one that causes one to sin.... where does personal responsibility come in?

I fully claim all of my behavior,
not a sinner by choice, nani

Nani, you answered your question yourself. We are given intelligence by our creator. We are free to choose, or claim, by God given intelligence, the path of the devil or the righteous.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by AussieBrian on Aug 8^th, 2005, 11:43pm

Mind you, superstition can be used to good effect, too. There's an interesting place on the far north Queensland coast called the Bouncing Stones. You throw a small stone among the big ones and it bounces around like a glass marble on tiles. Looks great.

The place is also of particular significance to the Aboriginal women of the district.

Regrettably, many of the stones were being souveniered by visitors - after all, what's one stone - but as the place became so much more popular it really began to have an impact.

Fortunately, word got out about the Dreamtime story of removing the rocks and the bad luck that would befall anyone who did so. People from all over the world started returning their 'souveniers' variously to police stations or the local newspaper office, commonly with the most awful stories of things that had happened to them because of this curse, and these stones all found their way back to their proper place within the Dreaming.

Curse broken.

Truth is, it was four of us tour guides in the pub one evening dreamed up the story in the hope of protecting the place a bit more.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 9^th, 2005, 6:42am

on 08/08/05 at 23:43:32, AussieBrian wrote:

Mind you, superstition can be used to good effect, too. Truth is, it was four of us tour guides in the pub one evening dreamed up the story in the hope of protecting the place a bit more.

Good job, Brian!!

Title: Re: OMG
Post by rickyshot on Aug 9^th, 2005, 9:05am

Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket.

Seriously there must be a devil or there would not be CH..

Title: Re: OMG
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 9^th, 2005, 9:14am

on 08/09/05 at 09:05:18, rickyshot wrote:

Seriously there must be a devil or there would not be CH..

Are you kidding or really begging for a theological discussion? I can really get my back up on a statement like this.

Because, if I'm going to listen to this, I've got to accept that I have been afflicted by the devil for some misdeed of my own or my forefathers (taking a historical biblical perspective). Bull! I have a malformation of my hypothalamus. Which, if you want to accept the latest "intelligent design" teachings, would indicate that I'm a victim of intelligent design gone wrong.

Don't go their on the devil and cluster headache BS. While "The Beast" is used a mataphor here, I hope that you don't believe the devil is inhabiting your hypothalamus.

If you were just joking...well then forget everything I just said.
;)

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Melissa on Aug 9^th, 2005, 9:46am

::) [smiley=ohjez.gif]

Title: Re: OMG
Post by clarence on Aug 9^th, 2005, 11:02am

on 08/09/05 at 09:14:12, seasonalboomer wrote:

Because, if I'm going to listen to this, I've got to accept that I have been afflicted by the devil for some misdeed of my own or my forefathers (taking a historical biblical perspective).

Actually this is not the historical biblical perspective. In fact, the New Testament records Jesus as having been faced with just this question in regards to the man born blind - he was asked, "Who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born blind." Jesus replied that the man's blindness was due to neither him nor his parents sinning, and had nothing to do with "sin". (John 9).

Also, in Luke's gospel, Jesus is confronted with a question about a group who the Romans had put to death, asserting it was punishment from God for thier sin. Jesus responds that they were no more guilty than anyone else. He refers to an accident in which a tower fell and killed a group, of people saying: "Or those eighteen on whom the tower of Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all others who lived in Jerusalem?" Jesus' sarcasm indicates taht he thinks no.

In essence, Jesus is saying that there are some things in life that happen, and they are nobody's fault, and they just suck. I think CH is one of them.

Now, that is to refer to the historical biblical perspective. How the church may have twisted this in order to lay blame, well, that's another story altogether.

Casey

Title: Re: OMG
Post by DonnaHar on Aug 9^th, 2005, 11:57am

Discussions on religion are fruitless..unless everyone has done the same amount of Bible study, or is interested in learning why those who have studied think the way they do. I don't always agree but I am willing to listen.

My beliefs are as follows:

God thinks no less of one than He does of another. He does not inflict illness or pain on anyone and we do not inherit the sins or guilt of our forefathers (not since Jesus died on the cross for us).

Religion was based on the fear of the wrath of God before the New Testament. After the coming of Jesus, it did an about face to love, just as God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son for our salvation.

I have a Bible Study Handbook that explains away (with carbon-14 tests dated documentation) many doubts of events that I would be happy to share with anyone truly interested. There are many, many archaeological dig sites that date before 2300 BC proving things such as the existance and location of Soddom and Gomorrah and Noah's Ark, pieces of original scripture found as recently as the 1980's, many of them hidden by Rome, but some now being shown in libraries in the UK.

I believe that there are angels and demons but do not believe that CH is of a demon. It is just that many stories are misunderstood or blown out of proportion.

I love discussions with people who can remain open minded. If you can and will teach me something, I'm all ears.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 9^th, 2005, 12:19pm

on 08/09/05 at 11:02:25, clarence wrote:

Actually this is not the historical biblical perspective.

Sorry, was referring more to the old testament form of god's "love". Yes, the new book is a lot sunnier, but the finish is still a bit dramatic.... prefer a whimper to a bang for the "end".

Title: Re: OMG
Post by DonnaHar on Aug 9^th, 2005, 12:41pm

The end scares the crap out of me too. The book I'm studying now seems to be telling me that it comes in three stages...

1. The Rapture of the Church where all of the true believers are risen to Heaven.

2. The Tribulation when the doubters and hypocrits are left behind for years of plagues: starvation, earthquakes, illness, and WWIII or something like it, etc} and time to re-think the whole theory of believeing.

3. The Final Judgement.

I don't really understand it all just yet and churches don't talk about the end very much, which I don't understand but plan to ask questions about.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 9^th, 2005, 12:58pm

on 08/09/05 at 12:41:07, DonnaHar wrote:

I'm not afraid of the end. Time spent trying to understand "the end" would be time wasted from living your life to its fullest. Kind of like spending a whole journey focused on what the last stretch of highway is going to feel like. Churches don't like to get too focused on "the end" as it is the most misunderstood of the books, and the part of the bible that the kookiest followers really, really, really get in too. Kind of like the "action-film" of bible books.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 9^th, 2005, 1:27pm

The End? I plan on playing Camille Saint-Saens' "Danse Macabre," over and over, and laughing maniacally. [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: OMG
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 9^th, 2005, 1:39pm

on 08/09/05 at 13:27:23, Frank_W wrote:

The End? I plan on playing Camille Saint-Saens' "Danse Macabre," over and over, and laughing maniacally. [smiley=laugh.gif]

and for those of you who want to share in Frank's maniacal vision:

http://www.music-scores.com/saint-saens/composer.php

there's a little link to "listen" once you get there.

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: OMG
Post by rickyshot on Aug 9^th, 2005, 2:40pm

Season. Tongue was firmly in cheek as I made my comments. You have to remember I am in cycle right now and anything I am saying cannot be used against me ;)

However I do believe in God .

Title: Re: OMG
Post by rickyshot on Aug 9^th, 2005, 2:41pm

on 08/09/05 at 11:02:25, clarence wrote:

Ditto to the above.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 9^th, 2005, 3:01pm

on 08/09/05 at 14:40:22, rickyshot wrote:

Season. Tongue was firmly in cheek as I made my comments. You have to remember I am in cycle right now and anything I am saying cannot be used against me ;)

However I do believe in God .

well, then, as I said, forget everything I said.

scott

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Charlie on Aug 9^th, 2005, 11:11pm

My beliefs are simple:

If a god exists, he's an underachiever.

Charlie

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Lizzie2 on Aug 9^th, 2005, 11:38pm

on 08/09/05 at 13:27:23, Frank_W wrote:

The End? I plan on playing Camille Saint-Saens' "Danse Macabre," over and over, and laughing maniacally. [smiley=laugh.gif]

Only you, Frank, only you!!!

For another exquisite demonic-sounding piece, listen to Debussy Estampes #3 (Jardins sous la pluie) - I played it on my junior recital - it also reminds me of Danse Macabre.

Also - Liszt's Dante Sonata - that piece kicks some ass. Never played it but always loved it. It's from the Italian book in the Pilgrimmage (sp?).

I plan to go out playing Chopin's Funeral March from the b-flat minor sonata (Op. 35 No. 2). I absolutely LOVE that piece!! I learned it last year while in nursing school....have to get the other 3 movements down, but that one is a bit easier - and so beautiful!!

Oh...and did ya just see the like....5 year old kid playing piano on Jay Leno? LOL Too cute. :)

Classical Piano....rock on! [smiley=headbanger.gif]

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 10^th, 2005, 6:49am

ROFL, Carrie!! I love Estampes #3. I'll have to look up Dante Sonata. Liszt was like the Jimi Hendrix of piano.. LOL

I've heard the funeral march before, and Bb minor is one of those keys that makes you want to rip the skin off of your face... LOL!

I played Danse Macabre on a friend's clavinova. It sounded like two skeletons screwing on a tin roof. LMAO!!

Title: Re: OMG
Post by AussieBrian on Aug 10^th, 2005, 7:00am

Bach in a minuet. Offenbach sooner.
(Debussy is calling!)

Title: Re: OMG
Post by LeLimey on Aug 10^th, 2005, 7:20am

Funny ha ha Bri.. I'm just going Chopin with my Liszt

Title: Re: OMG
Post by clarence on Aug 10^th, 2005, 7:25am

on 08/10/05 at 06:49:07, Frank_W wrote:

I played Danse Macabre on a friend's clavinova. It sounded like two skeletons screwing on a tin roof. LMAO!!

Nice!

I wish I was musically inclined. I couldn't put two notes together if somebody paid me. It is one of those thing in life that I have just accepted will never be....even if I took lessons and tried hard, I just have no ability. I have much respect for those who are able.

Casey - who loves the arts but who is resigned to just study them. :-/

Title: Re: OMG
Post by AussieBrian on Aug 10^th, 2005, 7:51am

I don't Handel Strauss well. Too Bizet.

Title: Re: OMG
Post by LeLimey on Aug 10^th, 2005, 8:03am

Well don't expect any sympathy from me Bri.. put your Brahms around me and I'm kicking you straight in the Bartoks..

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 10^th, 2005, 8:09am

LMAO! Don't expect any symphony from me? Hee hee... ;;D

Good choices too, Brian!

Title: Re: OMG
Post by AussieBrian on Aug 10^th, 2005, 8:25am

One night stand - anything by Mahler.

Don't rush me - Eine Kleine Nacht Musik.

I'm enjoying this - Beethoven's 7th (2nd movement)

My god, this is unbelievable - Raveli's Bolero.

Yes, Brian. Yes, yes, yes! Do it now! The 1812!!!

Title: Re: OMG
Post by Frank_W on Aug 10^th, 2005, 8:32am

ROFL!!

A dear friend of mine, who is gaining quite a bit of renown in Europe and the US: http://www.pianofourhands.com/elena_bio.php

Title: Re: OMG
Post by LeLimey on Aug 10^th, 2005, 8:33am

on 08/10/05 at 08:25:19, AussieBrian wrote:

Don't rush me - Eine Kleine Nacht Musik.

Would that be the extended 3 minute version?! ;)

Personally I like "Night on Bald Mountain"
or "Ride of the Valkyries"

Title: Re: OMG
Post by AussieBrian on Aug 10^th, 2005, 9:06am

on 08/10/05 at 08:33:52, LeLimey wrote:

Would that be the extended 3 minute version?!

3 minutes? Nobody ever went 3 minutes! And that was just the Quartet!!

But getting back to music