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(Message started by: rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 9:37am)
Title: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 9:37am
I hope these boards don't turn anyone away who is suffering CH. I would not wish this on my worst enemy (OK maybe Osama Bin Laden). If we could turn CH into a weapon it would be deadlier than a nuclear bomb.

I hear my fellow countrymen wanting their borders protected and certainly immigrations laws should be followed, but I hope no Muslim sufferer turns away from these boards beacuse of misunderstandings.

I had many interesting talks with Muslims. A few years back my daughter was in the hospital with asthma and pneumonia. OUr roomate was from Jordan and very devout Muslims. The mother covered her head and they would close the curtain to pray. At night we would talk as all mothers do. The woman would take her hijab (headdress) off to show off some lovely hair. I asked would I have the right to wear my hair or fashion in her country or pray in a hospital room. Sadly she shook her head no. I found that very telling.
You know suffering is part of the human condition. We both found that even though we had very different backgrounds , that our concerns for our sick children were exactly the same and we cried the same tears...

People are so very different yet basically so alike. Sad sometimes huh???
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by AussieBrian on Jul 29th, 2005, 9:46am
CH sans frontiers.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by don on Jul 29th, 2005, 9:59am

Quote:
beacuse of misunderstandings.  


And the mis-understanding is what?

Did you know your Muslim friends tried to purchase large amount of Cocaine from the Cali Cartel ? The cartel wouldn't deal with them. They were going to poison it before distribution.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by nani on Jul 29th, 2005, 10:04am

on 07/29/05 at 09:59:05, don wrote:
Did you know your Muslim friends tried to purchase large amount of Cocaine from the Cali Cartel ? The cartel wouldn't deal with them. They were going to poison it before distribution.


Her Muslim friends?  Gimme a break, don.  [smiley=nono.gif]
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by ghost62 on Jul 29th, 2005, 10:04am
Thank you rickyshot, I will agree with what you have posted. We as a group do not hate Muslims, and/orother cultures as a whole. Most of us because of the events throughout the world though are more cautious. We dont want all Muslims removed from the country nor all Mexicans either. We do however want to stop illegal immigration which brings with it an increased risk of terror activities. It will not however eliminate it fully, but we just want to increase our chances of survival. Anyone and everyone who is a CH sufferer or supporter is more than welcomed here as I am sure all of us would agree. Some times we do like to blow off steam and say some things that where not very well said, but most of the time it is good natured ribbing. There are times however we do argue like any family but we try not to hold a grudge. We as a CH family cherish the time here and with each other and hope we dont offend anyone during this time, but things do happen and being people we do make mistakes. And to all my CH family who read this I would like to say THANK YOU ALL!!! I LOVE EVERY ONE OF YOU, even when I don't agree with you. And to the CH BABES  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by don on Jul 29th, 2005, 10:05am
Well, I didn't mean it that way.

Christ.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by maffumatt on Jul 29th, 2005, 10:32am
In my view CH transcends financial, religious, political, and ideological differences.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Margi on Jul 29th, 2005, 10:36am
EXACTLY, Matt!  Why single out any group?  Cluster headaches don't.  
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 10:50am
MY muslim friends? Don honey. Although I am patriotic to the hilt please read between the lines. I am NOT for their governments and their clerics who are doing nothing to resolve the situation. I am saying CH hurts a Muslim head the same way it hurts mine. And I do agree with protecting our land and borders. I am sure I made that one clear.  And I am the first one to admit that I have certain feelings about groups of people like everyone else has. But the more we talk to people the more we find the similarity of the human condition and I hope that I don't lose that ability. I don't want to get to a state where I want genocide on a group of people even if they want mine. I do not want to get to a state where I can understand that kind of mentality. But of course it is out there and we have to defend ourselves if necessary.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by don on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:32am
Rickyshot,

I wasn't trying to criticize you.

Its just that my tolerance for Muslims and the Islamic movement has dropped to near zero. I no longer trust anyone affiliated. As I said in another post. They brought this prejudiced attitude on themselves. Let them pay the consequences.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Frank_W on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:43am
You know, I'm one of the most tolerant people in the world, but I certainly understand where Don's coming from, too.

I don't want to fucking hear about the "religion of peace" anymore. If moderate Muslims want peace, then they need to be the ones in the streets protesting the violence, they need to be the ones giving up the radicals in their midst, they need to be the ones running the violent, firebrand mullahs out of the mosques. Until they start doing something more than paying lip service to it, I have no time, no patience, and very thin tolerance for Muslims.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by don on Jul 29th, 2005, 12:17pm
I ask you this:

What worldly good has the Islamic faith ever done for anyone but themselves?
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by hdido on Jul 29th, 2005, 12:32pm
Invented the number-concept of zero, the numeric system that we use (1,2,3,4, etc.), the magnetic compass, accurate medical knowledge of the human body (middle-ages when we were still messing around with the four humours), navigation aides to name a few.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by vig on Jul 29th, 2005, 12:32pm

on 07/29/05 at 11:43:00, Frank_W wrote:
I don't want to fucking hear about the "religion of peace" anymore. If moderate Muslims want peace, then they need to be the ones in the streets protesting the violence, they need to be the ones giving up the radicals in their midst, they need to be the ones running the violent, firebrand mullahs out of the mosques. Until they start doing something more than paying lip service to it, I have no time, no patience, and very thin tolerance for Muslims.


Right on Frank...

and SOME of them are starting to do that.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/28/american.muslims.ap/index.html
we'll see in time if it's sincere or just CYA lip-service

Don't forget, we still have our own nutjob Randall Terry roaming free.  His own kind call him a "warrior for Christ"
Ready to send others to kill to protect HIS religious views.

Says Randall:
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. ... We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism. ... Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules."

I don't think CHrist wanted 'warriors'.
MY $.02
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Frank_W on Jul 29th, 2005, 12:52pm
Sickos and extremists in every religion, it seems... How sad that some people can be so terribly misguided.  :-/ >:(
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 29th, 2005, 1:02pm
This is an interesting thread.

As one that has often called for the closing/policing of borders to stop illegals from entering this country and deportation of illegals - "regardless of their national origin".  I want to be clear.  

It do not support profiling for any reason.  I fully believe that laws are broken to be deemed an illegal imigrant.  I fully believe enforcement of existing imigration laws is necessary for the safty of taxpaying citizens and national security.          

I have never called for the deportation of, or stopping of anyone legally imigrating to this country.  Legal imigrants into this country should not be turned away because of their national origin or religious beliefs.  

Rickyshot's message is a good one, and I hope anyone that needs help is not turned away.

Tom    


Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by floridian on Jul 29th, 2005, 1:34pm

on 07/29/05 at 11:32:50, don wrote:
As I said in another post. They brought this prejudiced attitude on themselves. Let them pay the consequences.


Yes, and it is unfortunate that people with black skin still get pulled over by the police when they decide to shop in an upscale mall, or can't seem to rent in a neighborhood that is too white.  But by your reasoning, they brought this prejudiced attitude on themselves as each and every one of them is responsible for the fact that violent crime is epidemic in the ghetto.  Its only natural that the public is afraid of blacks, and discriminates against them unless it can be determined that one is a 'good' black.  

Your comments on Islam demonstrate that you are unable distinguish between an individual and a larger community that they belong to; you are ascribing the worst characteristic of some members of a group to every member of the group.  




Quote:
If moderate Muslims want peace, then they need to be the ones in the streets protesting the violence, they need to be the ones giving up the radicals in their midst, they need to be the ones running the violent, firebrand mullahs out of the mosques. Until they start doing something more than paying lip service to it, I have no time, no patience, and very thin tolerance for Muslims.


Frank,
You obviously slept through the Algerian Civil war and the last 40 years of Egyptian history.


Quote:
Invented the number-concept of zero, the numeric system that we use (1,2,3,4, etc.), the magnetic compass, accurate medical knowledge of the human body (middle-ages when we were still messing around with the four humours), navigation aides to name a few.


Hdido,
the concept of zero was invented in India by Hindus. The magnetic compass originated in China during the Han dynasty. You should apologize to Helen.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jasmyn on Jul 29th, 2005, 3:22pm

on 07/29/05 at 13:02:19, burnt-toast wrote:
This is an interesting thread.

As one that has often called for the closing/policing of borders to stop illegals from entering this country and deportation of illegals - "regardless of their national origin".  I want to be clear.  

It do not support profiling for any reason.  I fully believe that laws are broken to be deemed an illegal imigrant.  I fully believe enforcement of existing imigration laws is necessary for the safty of taxpaying citizens and national security.          

I have never called for the deportation of, or stopping of anyone legally imigrating to this country.  Legal imigrants into this country should not be turned away because of their national origin or religious beliefs.  

Rickyshot's message is a good one, and I hope anyone that needs help is not turned away.

Tom    


I agree with Tom.  Be carefull not to Hitlerize your opinions just because you are scared and afraid of what happened in your country and in Brittain.  You are a superpower, you can make or break the WORLD by your actions.  

As ordinary American citizens, with no fighting in your own country, besides your troops fighting in other countries(they should know),  have not seen an eighth of the bloodshed we live with in our countries.  Innocents, like the mothers and children, that have no rights(especially in Muslim society) suffer the most.  Mozambique has been through a devastating 10 year war.  The evidence we are faced with everyday, we still have to content with hidden landmines, so we and our families are never safe even now that the war is over.

Most wars are about power, fear, religious and/or cultural issues and it is mostly men driving wars.  You have all the rights in the world, so cherish them, don't missuse them.  I only got voting rights ten years ago.  I am not Christain or Muslim.  I am a mother.  I want to protect my children.  I do not agree with Muslim or any religious  fanatasism.  I live in countries where we are constantly in fear, have high walls, with barb wire, security systems, security guards and corrupt police.  Still we cannot condemn individuals because of all the violence we encounter and we've had a lot of that.

Life is not worth living if fear is you only thought.  Radicals always cause mass destruction when they act on fear alone.

Not to offend, just my personal opinion and experience.  :)
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by LeLimey on Jul 29th, 2005, 4:16pm
Thank you Jas, that makes the most sense to me from all I've read
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 29th, 2005, 4:20pm
I think it was best said by vig.  Every religion has it's own nutjob radical fuckers.  Just cause a person wears a suit and tie while bombing abortion clinics doesnt mean that person is any more humane than if they wore a turbin.  Causing death and destruction in the name of Allah, or in the name of God is equally retarded.  
I think we can all agree on that, right?
BMonee
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 4:41pm

on 07/29/05 at 16:20:53, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I think it was best said by vig.  Every religion has it's own nutjob radical fuckers.  Just cause a person wears a suit and tie while bombing abortion clinics doesnt mean that person is any more humane than if they wore a turbin.  Causing death and destruction in the name of Allah, or in the name of God is equally retarded.  
I think we can all agree on that, right?
BMonee


Agreed, but, we condem them.....the turbins dont.

I think we can agree on that, right?
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 29th, 2005, 5:08pm
Well, to be honest with you, i dont know many muslims at all.  I live in Oregon.
But our "good buddies" the Saudis, dont seem to be condemning all this terror.  It is very rare that you hear reports of the Saudi Royal family tell their people to stop trying to blow up american convoys.
But on the other hand, you dont hear about Randall Terry supporters telling him that bombing several abortion clinics was too radical.  You have supporters and other politicians following and admiring this man that preaches about the sanctity of marriage, and then cheated on his wife, and bombs abortion clinics.
So, I guess you have some radical muslims that support terror, and you have some muslims that do not.  You also have some americans that like and support Randall Terry, and some that dont.

Speaking of supporting terrorists, on a different subject, howcome saudi arabia (our good buddy) keeps letting its people flock across the border into Iraq to fuck with our boys?  
With friends like that, who needs enemas?
BMonee
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 5:30pm

on 07/29/05 at 17:08:19, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
But on the other hand, you dont hear about Randall Terry supporters telling him that bombing several abortion clinics was too radical.  


Thats because they are his supporters....DUH!

Ill bet 95% of Americans condem that pukes actions.

Cant say that for the turbins thats for sure, we can agree on that, right?
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 5:42pm
Hey get this.  I live in a townhouse condo community. It is very multi ethnic here. My son has made some friends in the complex and had five kids over.  One is from Germany, one is from Lebanon, one is from Haiti, one is from Palestine and one is born here of Indian ( india), porteguese, and lebanese mixture. Reminded me of my mutt family lol. I know I am incredibly naive but it gave me hope seeing all those kids 15-17 years interacting and having a good time. BTW the law in Quebec says that immigrants must attend French schools. They do not have the right to choose unless they go private. All these kids including mine are fluent in French. It gave my kid David the chance to really practice his French skills. He speaks it better than I do. Can you imagine a Palestinian in a Jewish home getting along. Only here in Canada......We were joking about that one.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Charlie on Jul 29th, 2005, 5:47pm
Interesting thread and I'm hoping we would treat Muslim clusterheads no differently. Hope anway.

I lived in and around Utica, NY for 4 years which is more or less in the center of the state. I have no idea why, but Oneida County has a large Muslim population, mostly Syrian. Right after 9/11, a lot of the businesses strung up large banners and flags in our support. "We Love America" was plastered all over the place.  Yuppies in that area did all kinds of shopping, including produce, oddly enough. The area is full of Syrians running all kind of businesses. It was so second nature living there that them I never kept track of their beliefs.

The man who runs the well-known Zogby poll is a Syrian from the area. You see him in CNN and 19th Century Fox around elections. Anyway, it's a shame they have to pay the price for the monsters here and in London. Every time they turn around, there's something else.

In any case, "closing the borders" as I read here every damn day, hurts the wrong people. Us. You can't keep out a determined terrorist anyway. America closing its borders just ain't what we're about and although I can't stand him, to George Bush's credit, he has been pretty good about this. Amazing.

Charlie http://subscribe.smileygenerator.us/new/albums//whoah.gif?SSImageQuality=Full
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 5:54pm
Good for those Syrians who are now Syrian Americans Charlie. I agree with Jonny on how more Muslims should have an outcry on the extremists in their midst and I would hope we have the same outcry in our midst amongst "our" extremists. Anyways there is no worse nut than a religious nut I have always said. This God is on my side to support acts of war and carnage is beyond nuts no matter where it comes from. HOO boy a lot of folk are going to have a rude awaking come judgment day IMO.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by maffumatt on Jul 29th, 2005, 5:56pm
I disagree with Islams ideology, and as a whole I am distrustful, however I take each person as he or she is. It is all about character, that is what defines a person.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 6:03pm

on 07/29/05 at 17:47:43, Charlie wrote:
America closing its borders just ain't what we're about


Do you pay taxes, Charlie?....Do you get free healthcare?...If you had a car would you pay car insurance?

These illegal SOB's coming into this country aint paying shit...IM paying for them!

WTF is so hard to understand to anyone that pays taxes?
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 29th, 2005, 6:19pm

on 07/29/05 at 18:03:01, Jonny wrote:
Do you pay taxes, Charlie?....Do you get free healthcare?...If you had a car would you pay car insurance?

These illegal SOB's coming into this country aint paying shit...IM paying for them!

WTF is so hard to understand to anyone that pays taxes?


Well put.

We're talking about people that choose to break the law.  Stopping illegal entry into the country and deporting those here illegally is enforcing existing imigration laws.  

It does't require any additional policies or laws.  It's simply enforcing laws that already exist.  What's the problem with this?

Tom      
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 6:27pm

on 07/29/05 at 18:19:49, burnt-toast wrote:
 What's the problem with this?


Politicians!
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Charlie on Jul 29th, 2005, 6:34pm
I'm been posting here that the Muslin community has to admit that these people are amongst them and that they have to help weed them out. There is what amounts to a death cult on the very edges of their community. It has to be acknowledged. They need to be the ones to bring it up. I think it would greatly help how we feel about them.

Not sure I understand Jonny. I guess you mean Mexican immigrants. They are encouraged by corporate America and Republicans running for office in Texas. Businesses want them because by in large they are cheap labor

Most of them get very little government help. Those that employ them don't encourge it and it's been way way overblown by media. It's one of those things like mad cow disease; not much but it pushes lots of buttons. What little tax money they take from you is a drop in the bucket. My guess is that what it costs you in taxes would buy a gumdrop.  However, if you had the money from the incredible tax breaks given to George Bush's corporate pals, you would be able to pay for your broadband and put a dent in some other things. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/blow top.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 29th, 2005, 6:38pm

on 07/29/05 at 18:27:55, Jonny wrote:
Politicians!


Even better put!

Tom
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by maffumatt on Jul 29th, 2005, 6:51pm

on 07/29/05 at 18:34:32, Charlie wrote:
I'm been posting here that the Muslin community has to admit that these people are amongst them and that they have to help weed them out. There is what amounts to a death cult on the very edges of their community. It has to be acknowledged. They need to be the ones to bring it up. I think it would greatly help how we feel about them.

Not sure I understand Jonny. I guess you mean Mexican immigrants. They are encouraged by corporate America and Republicans running for office in Texas. Businesses want them because by in large they are cheap labor

Most of them get very little government help. Those that employ them don't encourge it and it's been way way overblown by media. It's one of those things like mad cow disease; not much but it pushes lots of buttons. What little tax money they take from you is a drop in the bucket. My guess is that what it costs you in taxes would buy a gumdrop.  However, if you had the money from the incredible tax breaks given to George Bush's corporate pals, you would be able to pay for your broadband and put a dent in some other things. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/blow top.gif

Charlie


As far as the Republicans go, the Dems are just as guilty. Conservitives are a differnt matter.

As far as public assistance, you need to check your facts. There have been more than 38 hospitals that have closed their doors in Riverside County Ca alone because of the illegals unpaid medical bills.
You don't see statistics of illegals getting public assistance because it is not required for them to show citizenship any longer. I can show you where they are costing hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Take Pheonix AZ for example, more than 10 million a year just to cover the insurance of the stolen vehicles that are stolen by illegals and end up in Mexico. You are dead wrong on this one. Drop in the bucket my ass, try Hoover Dam. I can provide links if requested........
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 6:53pm

on 07/29/05 at 18:34:32, Charlie wrote:
What little tax money they take from you is a drop in the bucket. My guess is that what it costs you in taxes would buy a gumdrop.


Charlie....I dont want to pay for them.....not a fucking penny....do you understand this?

Im self employed and I pay double SS tax......WHY the fuck should I give one penny to a felon?

Somebody fucking shoot me!!!!

Charlie, you dont pay taxes....do you?
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:05pm
Heres your "Gumdrop" Charlie

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/health_care.html
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by nani on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:11pm
Jonny, I see your point    :o   (in a way)...I don't want a penny of my tax money going for defense spending The thought that I may have paid for even one bullet that may have killed someone really irks me. The fact is only a very small percentage of either of our taxes go to either of those expenses. We pay for infrastructure maintenance, health care for the elderly, a plethora of other things. This is reality. We elect the folks who spend our money, that's how we help decide where it goes.
Matt... I can't imagine that the Phoenix auto theft issue is caused by illegal immigrants. It's more likely a gang or an organized car theft ring. You'd be hard pressed to find a lot of illegals who are willing to drive back into Mexico. Mexico has long been known as chop shop heaven, that's why the cars end up there.

Ricky, have you considered changing the title of this thread?

Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:20pm
I guess you didnt read the link I posted on how we tax payers are spending BILLIONS on illeagl health care, Nani
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by nani on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:24pm
Babe...we're spending BILLIONS on everything. There used to be a way that you could apply to have your tax money spent only on the things you wanted them spent on (or something like that). Perhaps you could call the IRS and see if there's a way for you to do that? When I looked into it (back in the olden days) it was too complicated for me to take on. I just decided that I would use my power in the voting booth, not on a billion forms.   :-*
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:30pm

on 07/29/05 at 19:24:07, nani wrote:
Babe...we're spending BILLIONS on everything. There used to be a way that you could apply to have your tax money spent only on the things you wanted them spent on (or something like that).


When it comes to felons spending my damn money Im speaking up....I worked for that money, why TF should I pay for babies that are going to suck more money out of me?

Are you cool with that?
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by nani on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:33pm
Of course... you can speak up all you want here. It's just that speaking up here isn't gonna help. Speak up during your next Congressional election... that might make a difference. Just trying to be productive... no sense getting your knickers in a twist.  ;)   :-*  
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by maffumatt on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:39pm
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

Billions that could be spent elsewhere. Deaths that would never have happened, rapes, kidnappings, thefts, ect.....

What if the bullet that your money bought is the one that killed the next (bomber) that would come into the US or Britian and kill innocents?
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Jonny on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:45pm
A lesson....believe it or not, most folks dont know that their tax dollars are going to pay medical bills for felons.

Ted kennedy wont take my calls anymore....So, I will give lessons on how we are getting fucked in the ass by idiots.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 8:56pm
LMAO at changing the name of this thread. What have I gone and done. Boy have I disturbed shit today. Almost as good as sex...But I stand by my comments.
Jonny I am meeting you halfway on this one. I do not believe in totally closed borders but definitely think we need to do something about more enforcement of our present laws dealing with illegals. Wathcing people who are here legally and playing the system craps my craw alone but then illegals coming in and doing this drives me nutzzz...
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Frank_W on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:14pm
I agree with you, Ricky and Jonny.

Personally, I'm glad that a portion of my taxes go to the defense budget. I am a recipient of the freedom, protection, and liberties that having a strong military provides. And if you live in this country, so are you.

I'm also glad that a portion of my taxes goes to pay for road maintenance, the police force, the fire stations, and other public services.

I am highly pissed off that we are being robbed by illegal immigrants. Our local hospital is being sold for EXACTLY this reason, by the way.

The INS needs a MAJOR overhaul. They need to get together with the CIA, FBI, and the ATF. Give the INS some goddamned balls, and fire people who are just wanting to collect a wage for doing nothing. Turn the INS into a paramilitary organization. Cross-train with the police, the ATF, the CIA, and the FBI. This is bullshit!
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by cootie on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:21pm
How come they never wear poka dot or pasley turbans or head to toe body sheets outfits.......better targets Pam

(jus jokeing)
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by marty on Jul 30th, 2005, 6:42am
Hi Ya'll

A little something on the "profiling"...

It seem to me that fanatic muslims have been "inserted" into different Countries and, when given the order, they will do whatever they are told to do (terror activities such as bombings). Many of these individuals are regarded as "good" citizens of that country and take part in the community efforts ; such as schools, voluntary work etc. After an incident, there is always this big surprise among people interviewed and they can not believe that this particular individual was a terrorist.

This is a pattern that is repeated time after time. In the London bombings, there was a note in a Swedish news paper that one of the suspects was a Swedish citizen. That offended me and when I read further, it turned out that the suspect was from Syria (or one of the other muslim countries) and had gotten his Swedish citizenship some years back. Most of these terrorists have their origin in a muslim country even though they may have lived somewhere else for a number of years.

How do law enforcement deal with this kind of terrorism? They look for persons fitting a certain description! Yes they will interrogate and question some muslims that fit the profile that are not involved but they will also talk to individuals that are, or may become, involved in terrorism against the western world. They can not sit back and wait for an incident to happen - they have to be pro-active not re-active in order to keep us all as safe as possible.

I believe that profiling is a great tool. It does not matter if it is used in narcotic enforcement or in the pursuit of terrorists.

The basic academy teaches law enforcement to use profiling as a tool of survival. A certain type of car (low rider 1976 Monte Carlo, occupied by a certain type of passengers (wearing blue or red) is more dangerous than a minivan with a grandmother driving alone for example. The '76 Monte Carlo is more likely to be involved in a crime and if there is probable cause, this vehicle should be stopped and the occupants information ought to be recorded - later on, this information may come in handy if there is a crime committed where the vehicle fit the description. This is profiling against a certain group - in this case it is gang members.

So what is so wrong with profiling against people with an Arab ancestery?


Profile away!

Marty
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by rickyshot on Jul 30th, 2005, 4:30pm
Marty I go to Jamaica every year and usually travel alone. When they see my passport with all those Jamaican stamps I get pulled over for a complete luggage search and questioning all the time. Inconvienent and bothersome yes but think. A frequent traveller to and from Jamaica is a prime suspect for carrying ganga. It is better safe than sorry. So I don't feel no way about it because I AM INNOCENT. And they are doing their job. BTW I think ganga should be legal not that I smoke it but that is another thread altogether. At present it is illegal and my point is profiling can protect and is necessary at times but it can be abused. Better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Frank_W on Jul 30th, 2005, 4:34pm
;;D [smiley=smokin.gif] [smiley=jammin.gif]
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by LeLimey on Jul 30th, 2005, 4:42pm
Whats that supposed to mean Frank?

When David and I came to Dallas we were fingerprinted and photographed (I think it was that iris recognition thing but I could be wrong). I'm more than happy to comply with what ever procedures are in place, they are for my protection as well as the residents of whatever country I'm in.
However Ricky, sadly what has been proved here in England its not law abiding travellers like you and me who are the problem.
Here in England the bombers recently were home grown. They weren't "imported".. they were born and raised here. THAT is the problem we are fighting and that is what the profiling needs to concentrate on not only travellers.
Sadly, I think international travellers are a bit of a smokescreen.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by rickyshot on Jul 30th, 2005, 4:49pm
I hear you Limey. My point in profiling is that the guilty ones are usually the ones who scream the loudest about discrimination and harrassment.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Frank_W on Jul 30th, 2005, 5:21pm

on 07/30/05 at 16:42:27, LeLimey wrote:
Whats that supposed to mean Frank?


If the ganja were legal, I would be happy to be herbally enhanced. LOL
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Charlie on Jul 30th, 2005, 7:34pm
Good and bad stuff kids.

Just be careful. Don't let them soften us up. Shit like the Patriot Act is just plain scary. It's used against us.

Mussolini did make the trains run on time though.

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/spy blind.gif
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by cootie on Jul 31st, 2005, 12:58am
You guys would shit if ya seen the turbon-its in our town...........well they all gave up the turbon look after 911 but I still KNOW WHO THEY ARE.....but seein the ones in Walmart with total sheet deal except there eyes showin freaked me out. I guess they were sheet faced Pam  :-/

Makes me nervous ya know ? Ya know what I mean ?  
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 31st, 2005, 9:42am
This isn't an issue of profiling, National Origin, Religous beliefs, etc, etc, etc.  

This is a issue of imigrants who legally enter/live in this country and imigrants who illegally enter and live in this country (which is a Felony).      

Simply enforce existing Imigration laws.  Treat everyone the same based on existing law to accomplish what must be done.  Imigration laws were inacted in the interest of National Security.  There is nothing to debate.


Tom

Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Cerberus on Jul 31st, 2005, 12:17pm
Been hearing an awfull lot of discussion on Muslims and Immigration in general lately...which prompts me to speak some...

 Muslims, and in general the muslim faith is NOT our problem. Overall MOST muslims are very soft spoken, humble, and generous it is the true teachings of their faith.
 
  The big problem the U.S. is having stems from the FANATICS of their religon which is the trouble in ALL religous practices... its the Fanatics you gotta be wary of no matter what faith they are, this ESPECIALLY includes Christians. My question is this, just because most of us are christian, what right (particularly in context to our own faiths) do we have to judge anyone? The contrary to that statement is actually completely non- Christian thinking... Christianity is supposed to be about love, not hate.

 I come in contact with many peoples of different cultures and faiths where I live and work, and let me tell ya, some of the most humble and unassuming people we serve are the muslims. What is foreign to us is not what is our trouble. What/Who we percieve them to be out of ignorance is...

To infer that we as Christians don't have any skeletons in our closets...is pompous and ludicrous at best
 Take a look at Slavery in America, The Witch Hunts of Salem, The Crusades, and The Inquisition. Christians are probably the most violent religous world culture to date.  We have an EXTREMELY LONG history of Murdering those who don't agree with our beliefs and until we accept that as a whole it will continue.

'Bus
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Charlie on Jul 31st, 2005, 1:52pm
I agree. We need more Unitarians. If it were required to attend a church, that is where you'd find me.

The thing about Christians is that they won't leave the rest of the world alone. They get under the skin after awhile and sometimes they bump them off but they keep coming back. I don't know of another religion that does that.

Charlie
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Melissa on Jul 31st, 2005, 7:21pm

on 07/31/05 at 13:52:48, Charlie wrote:
The thing about Christians is that they won't leave the rest of the world alone. They get under the skin after awhile and sometimes they bump them off but they keep coming back. I don't know of another religion that does that.  

From someone who has very recently asked Jesus to enter her life, I find this generalized statement saddening. :-/  

Like I said before...political threads suck.  

Matter of fact...so do religious ones. :P
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by maffumatt on Jul 31st, 2005, 7:31pm
yea its pretty sad, and a pity.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Charlie on Jul 31st, 2005, 9:32pm
Sorry kids. I'll be nicer.

I made a mistake. It was a sloppy post.

Never talk about religion.

Actually, I'm envious of people who are so confident of things to come.  I'm not.

Charlie
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by maffumatt on Jul 31st, 2005, 11:42pm
I am just as guilty Charlie we know your a hell of a guy........
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by don on Aug 1st, 2005, 12:04am

Quote:
Your comments on Islam demonstrate that you are unable distinguish between an individual and a larger community that they belong to


And therein lies the problem. Not being able to distinguish between who is the threat and who is the peaceful follower of Islam. The inabilty to serperate the two has proven to be deadly time after time.

I'll err on the side of caution.

Profile.
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Melissa on Aug 1st, 2005, 11:40am

on 07/31/05 at 21:32:49, Charlie wrote:
Sorry kids. I'll be nicer.

I made a mistake. It was a sloppy post.

:) Thank you Charlie.


Quote:
Never talk about religion.

Naw, you can talk about religion, but I like to remember that we are all individuals, with no 2 people the same, and one persons faith, albeit in the same "group" as another, is not necessarily "the same".  Did that make sense? lol


Quote:
Actually, I'm envious of people who are so confident of things to come.  I'm not.

Not sure of what you mean by this, but I am going to assume you mean the afterlife?  If it makes you feel any better, I am not all that confident as to what's going to happen to me when I die either.  I only know in my heart, that I have someone who will help to guide me through it and embrace me when I get there...wherever "there" is. :-/   Now if you mean of the terrible things that are going on in the world right now and for the future, well, I pretty much look at it the same way.  Anyhow, I'll shut up now because I'm starting to contradict myself of not talking about religion on a message board, LOL.  

love ya Charlie,
:-*mel
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by Charlie on Aug 1st, 2005, 12:43pm
Thanks kids.

As horribly worded as it was, I of course meant that some evagelicals have gotten killed in places where they had their own thing.

As for my envy:  My neighbor is one of those serious Christian preachers. He works in nursing homes mostly. We get along very well. He knows that I would love to be so confident of an afterlife such as he. I'm not able
to get there. I was exposed to it as a kid. Never stuck.

Charlie
Title: Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2005, 1:10pm
Okay, so i'm a little grumpy but I was reading this thread and all I could think of was:

"Susquehanna Hat Company??? (cries angrily, takes hat off Lou's head) - Is that a Susquehanna hat? That's the same kind of hat my husband was wearing when he was killed! He wouldn't have lost his life if he had of been wearing a good hat when that safe fell off that 15 storey building - but no! He was wearing a hat like this one. (punches hole through hat) That's the cheapest hat I ever saw ... Oh! My husband's dead! (runs off crying) He's Dead! He's Dead!"

For the whole routine:
http://www.clown-ministry.com/History/abbott-costello/bagel-street.html


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