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(Message started by: rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2005, 2:00pm)
Title: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patient
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2005, 2:00pm
For those of you who google then news just two weeks ago a sixteen year old girl went missing in Hemmingford Quebec just 40 minutes from Montreal. Her body was found the other day. She was horribly beaten to death. If she was sexually assaulted it is not out yet. They arrested a young man and get this charged his parents with second degree murder (acessories). What part they played in this God knows. The Waltons, they are not. Anyhoo the father had chest pains and is in CCU right across the hall from me with two guards at all times. They all seem so normal. Holy shit......I hope someone "accidentally" pulls his O2 or some such shit. The whole thing is making me sick.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Frank_W on Jul 27th, 2005, 2:11pm
Whoa.. Disturbing... The parents may not have had ANY part in it, and may be listed as accessories to the crime if they had helped hide their son.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2005, 2:13pm
True Frank. It has not come out what their part in this was. They found the poor girl in a shallow grave :'(
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Frank_W on Jul 27th, 2005, 2:28pm
How awful... We've certainly had our share of awful things like this lately, here in the States. *sigh*  :'(
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Margi on Jul 27th, 2005, 2:55pm
you know, Ricky, did you ever stop to think that maybe the father is having chest pains BECAUSE of the grief his son's actions have caused him?  I know I'd sure be stressed if a kid of mine was implicated in something like this.  I guess I just have a different reaction to this than you do.  Frank's right, the parents could be accessories if they allowed their son to hide out in their house.  What would YOU do if your kid came home, said nothing to you about his "activites" the night before and then went to sleep.  Say you heard it on the news that your boy was suspected.  What would you do?  
I'm afraid I might be painted as an accessory, too, in a case like this.
Don't get me wrong, it's a tragic case and I feel (and pray) for all parties involved.  
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 27th, 2005, 9:28pm
Margi For sure this guy's problems are brought on by the stress. He has a heart history. It has not come out yet just exactly what part the parents played in this. God if my kid turned out to be a murderer of an innoncent girl like this I am afraid I would not stand by him. I would wonder whose kid is this and that this is a stranger. I am hoping it is benign as just hiding their kid and not some really disturbing shit ala Bernardo/Homulka. We all will finding out soon enough.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Sean_C on Jul 27th, 2005, 9:33pm

on 07/27/05 at 14:55:11, Margi wrote:
you know, Ricky, did you ever stop to think that maybe the father is having chest pains BECAUSE of the grief his son's actions have caused him?  I know I'd sure be stressed if a kid of mine was implicated in something like this.  I guess I just have a different reaction to this than you do.  Frank's right, the parents could be accessories if they allowed their son to hide out in their house.  What would YOU do if your kid came home, said nothing to you about his "activites" the night before and then went to sleep.  Say you heard it on the news that your boy was suspected.  What would you do?  
I'm afraid I might be painted as an accessory, too, in a case like this.
Don't get me wrong, it's a tragic case and I feel (and pray) for all parties involved.  


Great post Margi  :)
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by mcf69 on Jul 27th, 2005, 10:27pm
Wow, this has been big news here, it all happened about 50 miles from me.  The local news says that the parents helped their son dispose of evidence connected to the case, check it out in the Plattsburgh (NY) Press:
http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/2005/07_2005/072720051.htm
Scary stuff here close to the border.......
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by cootie on Jul 27th, 2005, 10:35pm
Sick cold world sumtimes. A friend of mine in Arizona was notified they found his 19 year old daughter dead few days ago......some young people gave her a ride and the young girl of 16 started to stab her and then her boyfriend started to stab her then shot her in the head. They both confessed but now the poor family has to go thru TWO trails. Eye for an eye trail Pam
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Sean_C on Jul 27th, 2005, 10:39pm
Whats up with society? Is it hate or is it stupidity? I'll pray for her and her family Coots :(

Sean.............................
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Frank_W on Jul 28th, 2005, 8:10am
Jeez... Well, if it's any comfort, I don't think the world is any sicker than it's always been. It's just less private.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 28th, 2005, 8:38am
Well Margi If the parents indeed helped dispose of the evidence then I hope they fry along with their darling son. Can you imagine the agony of the mother wondering where her daughter is and these bitches knew all along the girl is dead and they help tokeep it a secret. No honey I would not do that for my son who I love to death. If he could do something like this, he is a stranger to me.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 28th, 2005, 8:41am
MCF Welcome aboard. So you live in the Plattsburgh area. I go often. I have a gf in Peru. I have tried to get together with some clusterheads here in the Montreal area. I am originally from Georgia. I have lived up here for 15 years and it is unfriendly. I have yet to meet another clusterhead. I have been unsuccessful in getting a meeting with locals to come to pass.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Frank_W on Jul 28th, 2005, 8:44am
I agree: If the parents helped to hide evidence, that's a different situation altogether.  >:( :(
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Margi on Jul 28th, 2005, 11:13am

on 07/28/05 at 08:44:53, Frank_W wrote:
I agree: If the parents helped to hide evidence, that's a different situation altogether.  >:( :(


Agreed.  But ... sorry, I still find the desire to "pull the O2" (on someone who hasn't been proven guilty yet), absolutely terrifying.  I'm glad I'm not a patient in that hospital, that's all.  This is now a matter for the police and, subsequently, a judge and jury.  Certainly not hospital staff who are feeding on media reports that may or may not be true.  I'm glad there are guards posted outside the father's room.  

Yes, it's horribly wrong if the parents helped this guy cover it up.  And yes, they should be punished for doing that.  I would hope that I, in the same situation,would be able to make the right choice and turn my child in to the authorities.  But, my point is, that we don't know what the circumstances were that led to the parents being charged as accessories and, until such time as we do, it's certainly no one's place to judge them or threaten to pull the plug on the dad.  

BTW, Ricky, I fully believe that Bernardo and Homulka will end up in the Lake of Fire.  But I sure pray that their parents won't.  Of course I feel gut-wrenching sympathy for the parents of the murdered girls in both of these cases.  But I also feel it for the parents of the criminals, as well.  
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by nani on Jul 28th, 2005, 11:27am

on 07/28/05 at 11:13:17, Margi wrote:
sorry, I still find the desire to "pull the O2" (on someone who hasn't been proven guilty yet), absolutely terrifying.  

it's certainly no one's place to judge them or threaten to pull the plug on the dad.  



You're right Margi. I find it terrifying, too. Earlier on in this thread, Sean asked what's wrong with society. I've been thinking about that a lot since. I think I have one answer. Our society embraces violence by "qualifying" it.

A 16 yo girl get into a car with someone who rapes and/or murders her....she's a victim, it's an outrage.
A  19 yo crack addicted hooker does the same...she's a hooker, what did she expect?

2 hockey Dads duke it out in the lobby of the ice rink and one dies... what's wrong with them? That's crazy.
2 thugs in hockey uniforms duke it out on the ice...it's entertainment, it's part of the game.

We drop bombs on a country we've declared war on, and kill civilians...that's collateral damage
Someone declares war on us and kills civilians...that's an outrage, it's terrorism.

A husband wants to pull a feeding tube from his brain dead wife...that's murder, it's unforgivable.
Someone wants to accidentally pull a plug on an alleged criminal... he deserves it, he's guilty.

It seems to me that until EVERY SINGLE PERSON takes a good long look into their souls and realizes that EVERY OTHER PERSON deserves to be respected solely because they are alive, we are doomed. I believe that God put us here to get past all the differences and remember who "we really are".

Society should have rules and laws. Those who choose not to follow them should have a consequence. The standards should apply to everyone, though, in all situations. But when are we going to wake up and see the "real" big picture here?
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Margi on Jul 28th, 2005, 11:38am
excellent post, Nani.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by mcf69 on Jul 28th, 2005, 12:11pm
Ricky, just sent you a PM a few minutes ago........
More info on the case today, including a picture of the victim:
http://www.pressrepublican.com/newsfront.htm
It's a sad commentary on what society is coming to, no matter where we live.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by broomhilda on Jul 28th, 2005, 4:38pm

on 07/28/05 at 08:41:33, rickyshot wrote:
I have lived up here for 15 years and it is unfriendly. I have yet to meet another clusterhead. I have been unsuccessful in getting a meeting with locals to come to pass.

I have to disagree with this Ricky, however it is your opinion. The folks in Montreal are more than friendly and supportive and I am proud to call them my friends, part of my family. Circumstances have intruded on many of their ability to meet and I would say they are sorry for the lack of opportunities they have had to meet and greet, I cannot speak for them but  I will say again, I am proud to call them my friends...

Just my opinion...
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Margi on Jul 28th, 2005, 4:43pm

on 07/28/05 at 16:38:33, broomhilda wrote:
I am proud to call them my friends...

Just my opinion...


not only just your opinion, Broomie - mine too.  The Montrealers that we've met on our board have all been awesome!  Unfriendly?  I sure haven't noticed that!  Quite the opposite, we've found!  I think all our Quebec family at ch.ca ROCK!  Canadians, as a whole, we're a friendly bunch.  Just don't piss us off.  LOL
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Jonny on Jul 28th, 2005, 7:19pm
Give the chick a break....aint like she just landed here.

Everyone has an opinion....no one ever likes mine, but not many give me shit about it ;;D

Lets love one another......Ok, Im naked ;;D
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by mcf69 on Jul 28th, 2005, 11:12pm
Well, I'll tell you living just an hour south of Montreal that it can be an awful unfriendly place, especially if you don't speak french, which I don't.  Go to Ontario/Ottawa and everything is completely different, some of the friendliest people you would find anywhere in the world, same thing with the eastern provinces.  I attribute 99% of it to being a large metropolitan area, where life is different like it is in any big city.  
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Frank_W on Jul 29th, 2005, 7:01am

on 07/28/05 at 19:19:06, Jonny wrote:
Give the chick a break....aint like she just landed here.

Everyone has an opinion....no one ever likes mine, but not many give me shit about it ;;D

Lets love one another......Ok, Im naked ;;D


LMAO!!!!  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 8:28am

on 07/28/05 at 19:19:06, Jonny wrote:
Give the chick a break....aint like she just landed here.

Everyone has an opinion....no one ever likes mine, but not many give me shit about it ;;D

Lets love one another......Ok, Im naked ;;D




OK I am game. ROTFLMAO
Seriously I stand by my experiences here in Canada. And to really get shit started because I am a shit disturber of the highest order (must be the American in me and Souther yahoo to boot) did y'all know there is no racism in Canada. I am from the South and we NEVER were called the N word till we moved here-absolutely true. My kids passed out some good ol fashioned Georgia ass whuppings and that shit stopped. And anti Semitism That is a big tradition here in Quebec. They even honored a rabid Nazi sympathizer and supporter with a subway station after his name LIonel Groulx. Gotta love it
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Frank_W on Jul 29th, 2005, 8:37am
I'm sorry, Ricky. I know how it feels. I lived in Japan for ten years, and was ostracized, gawked at, regarded with abject fear, made the butt of crass and racial jokes, all for being a "gaijin." (Non-Japanese, especially as a Caucasian male)

It hurts, and it's frustrating, and no matter how thick you think your skin is, when you live in a country that's not your own, you become vulnerable.

Again, I'm sorry you are going through this... Hang in there.  :-/ [smiley=hug.gif]
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by nani on Jul 29th, 2005, 8:40am
Lots of folks get that crap while "in" their own country.
I've sure seen a lot of racial and ethnic slurs on this board.  ::)
It all sucks...   >:(
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Margi on Jul 29th, 2005, 8:42am
I agree Nani - racism sucks.

Ricky, I gotta ask then.  If you hate Canada so much, why do you stay?  I'm honestly sorry you've had a bad experience.  What you describe is certainly not the norm in my beautiful country.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 8:43am
Don't worry Frank. As a mixed race family (African American, Jewish and Native Indian) we are quite used to racism. To say it does not exist is crazy but here in Canada quite an appalling number of people think it is not a CAnadian problem or tradition NOT. And don't get me started on the langage wars going on. Canadian politics is anything but boring. Americans should really learn about this country. It is VERY interesting.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 8:53am
I don't hate Canada. But I am NOT a politically correct person and Canada is big on political correctness. Also I will point out some big problems here because people love to point at America as a cesspool with problems, when they have them in their own back yard. There are a lot of great things about this country that even in American does not exist. You gotta weigh the good with the bad. It makes me laugh at times ( I have a very very dark sense of humor). Being from the South people ask or say OMG didn't you have a lot of racial trouble over there. Of course , but they act like it does not exist here and it DOES bigtime and the north is unfriendly.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by broomhilda on Jul 29th, 2005, 10:33am
Ricky, I am so sorry for your experiences here in Canada, it is sad to hear of racism and discrimation whereever one experiences it. I respect that you have your own opinion and I will just state mine. Racism is ingrained in our society and our culture, it is not a province, or a  country, it is seen in many eyes are part of a norm, hidden racism or blatant comes as a result of years whether it be in a micro level, ie.family or macro ie. business pratice etc. I guess what I am trying to portray is you cannot blame Canada or Canadian thinking as that is incorrect, you have to go further and blame societyas a whole. Your post is one example of perpetuating racism in and of itself against Canadians and Quebequers. Just my opinion, thanks


Andrea
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by rickyshot on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:13am
I am perpetuating racism??? How droll. Tell what the fuck is it when it is written into provincial law that English must be the secondary language if tolerated at all. When you post signs in business, it is actual law that the English sign if posted must be MUCH smaller than the French. And if you are some poor unfortunate schmuck who is an Ethnic and posted your sign in your own language and did not have a French sign the language police and yes folks I mean that literally-there are actual language police a lovely governmental position in Quebec who are paid more than you will ever see (the little gestapos) they will stop by and give you a hefty fine and have caused many small businesses to go under. Personally if I don't like the sign on a business or don't understand it I won't shop there but why should the guy lose his business. He can cater to who he wants to. It is HIS loss of business and his choice to lose.  15 years ago they had a referendum to separte Quebec (the ongoing argument) from Canada and when they lost it, the head of their party Parizeau made the comments on national TV It was Money and the ETHNIC vote that were to be blamed. Who is the racist here???? Their xenophonia is astounding and this is government and laws written. And Canada is an English country with bilingualism as part of their law, So America learn from this one. Let people speak their own languages that is fine but have one National official language please.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Margi on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:28am
well, Ricky - Canada DOES have two official languages.  And you happen to live in the only province that is predominantly French-speaking - although each of us do have French communities.  This is the heritage of Canada and Canadians everywhere celebrate it.  Again, I'm not sure why you stay somewhere that obviously causes you so much unhappiness.  Broomie's post is spot on, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Frank_W on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:30am
Yeah... We've got this lovely trend happening in the United States too, Ricky. Pretty soon, everything will be posted in Spanish.  ::)
Title: Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
Post by Margi on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:40am

on 07/29/05 at 11:13:28, rickyshot wrote:
(the little gestapos)


Ricky, do you not understand how incredibly offensive that remark is?  No wonder you find your surroundings unfriendly.  Karma has a nastly little habit of coming back to bite you on the ass.   >:(


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