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(Message started by: hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:14pm)
Title: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:14pm
For anyone who can, go to the OUCH-UK website and read Mike Pollock's remarks about American servicemen under the "Non-CH" category "Saddened by American Actions".  We need to show support for our men and women in uniform and not allow them to be trashed.  Thanks.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Lizzie2 on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:19pm
John------

I do not think Mike was all out attacking our troops.  He was disturbed by the fact that the US Air Force troops in the UK were told to stay out of London.

The Air Force said they were late in removing the all-clear.

I really don't think he is being all anti-military, and it isn't very kind to portray it that way!

JMHO,
Carrie
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:31pm
Let the people decide.  Not ONE OUCH-UK member objected to Mike's post...sad.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by vig on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:33pm
how about a link!?
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:39pm
You've got to be a member of OUCH-UK to get into the Members Board, but the address is www.ouch.uk.org  I'm not that computer savvy, but Jonny is a member and maybe he can work something up so that others can read the disgusting post.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by ClusterChuck on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:55pm
I can't get into the post.  

Can you copy and paste?  Here is how:  Put the cursor at the beginning of the post, hold the shift key down, and then click on the bottom of the post.  (You can now release the shift key)  The whole thing should highlight.  Now hold the control key down, and hit the "C" key. Now come here, and click on reply.  When you get to the reply window, hold down the control key, and then hit the "V" key, and the whole post should show up here.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by vig on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:01pm

on 07/12/05 at 21:55:54, ClusterChuck wrote:
I can't get into the post.  

Can you copy and paste?  Here is how:  Put the cursor at the beginning of the post, hold the shift key down, and then click on the bottom of the post.  (You can now release the shift key)  The whole thing should highlight.  Now hold the control key down, and hit the "C" key. Now come here, and click on reply.  When you get to the reply window, hold down the control key, and then hit the "V" key, and the whole post should show up here.


[smiley=crackup.gif]
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Sean_C on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:19pm
If Pollock has an issue with us, invite him to CH.com for some tea and crumpets, we'd love to chat with him [smiley=mellow.gif]
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:22pm
Here is Pollock's post.....anyone else find it insulting to our Servicemen and Women?

"Isn't is sad that all UK based American airmen who are based in The Uk were told that they shouldn't go within 15 miles of central London (within M25) Makes you wonder if one of their bases had been bombed over here would they have decided to go home. As a great lover of America and its people, having been there many times, it does make you doubt their sincerity"
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:27pm
Here is another one from him...bastard!

"By saying, don't travel, was exactly what the bombers wanted. I remember after 9/11 the American government understandably  stopped all air traffic over NY, however they encouraged the public to go back to show the bombers there they were not afraid. Double standards or what?"
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Lizzie2 on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:30pm
John....you really are taking this out of context.

Please, take a deep breath.

It's been a long and terrible day, and I don't have the time or energy right now to copy and paste every single post.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Sean_C on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:32pm
I'm sure the servicemen were ready and willing, the delay was more than likely caused by talks from both country's on what to do and how to handle it properly.

The U.S. and great Britain are one, let there be no confusion.

Sean..........................
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:34pm
I think the sentiments expressed are very clear and not taken out of context...we are owed an apology.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:39pm
No quarrel with that, Sean-at least most of us are together on this situation.  I am writing of one Brit and no one objected to the post and no apology was offered except a "sort of" apology and then the last post was put on the thread....no excuses.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by nani on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:40pm
Seems to me that he has an issue with "policy" not service people. He doesn't owe us anything....
free speech, remember. Can ya imagine if everyone who ever criticized France on this board had to apologize on a MB in France? Puhleeez....
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by floridian on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:43pm

on 07/12/05 at 22:34:17, hdido wrote:
I think the sentiments expressed are very clear and not taken out of context...we are owed an apology.


I think the Belgian is being a tad too sensitive.  When I heard that US troops were told to keep out of London, the first question that came to mind was "Do they have information that another strike is imminent, or are they over-reacting to an isolated event?"   If there was information that another attack was about to happen, then the public should be alerted; if not, then why restrict movement and let the terrorists affect your life?


Quote:
Personnel, most of them from US Air Force units at RAF Mildenhall and RAF Lakenheath, in Suffolk, were told last week not to go within the M25 motorway.

But there was criticism that it sent out the wrong signals at a time when the emphasis was on "business as usual" in London after the attacks.

The US embassy said the order had been reviewed and had now been lifted.

The Commander of US Forces in Europe, General James L. Jones, based at Mons in Belgium, said in a statement: "[We have] lifted all travel restrictions for US personnel stationed in the United Kingdom.

"While all personnel are encouraged to be vigilant, we cannot allow ourselves to be intimidated by the acts of terrorists. All US personnel are encouraged to continue with their normal routine."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4673987.stm


Explanation 1: the policy was put in place as reaction, and while it seemed to make sense at the time, was evaluated and adjusted.

Explanation 2: the US military has given in to the criticism of a few people who are out to split the trans-atlantic alliance.  

Occam's razor says that the first explanation is probably right.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:56pm
I'm sure that the commander received orders not to allow US troops into London...the Brits told people to stay away...free speech works both ways and I think that the language used about US troops was insulting, virtually calling them cowards..I can't accept that.  Had someone posted similar sentiments about British troops or police on the OUCH board, his/her would have been called for...yes, I am sensitive to such unjustified criticism especially when it is repeated twice, the second time after the facts were explained.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 12th, 2005, 11:15pm

on 07/12/05 at 22:27:15, hdido wrote:
"By saying, don't travel, was exactly what the bombers wanted. I remember after 9/11 the American government understandably  stopped all air traffic over NY, however they encouraged the public to go back to show the bombers there they were not afraid. Double standards or what?"



I worked for an airline and we had a bomb threat called into the office at that time.  Yes, we were told to leave as a concern for safety shutting down operations temporarily.  The police with dogs came and it was clean.  I was the first to go right back in for "business as usual", it just made sense, fuck being intimidated I say, I trust the dogs.  Though it was a different situation, there were mixed feelings for many at the time.  
 As for "a concern for safety" and then "business as usual" being a double standard, it's only an opinion.  


Kevin M
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Topical on Jul 13th, 2005, 4:38am
He probably got it from this story.

The Conservative MP Andrew Robathan condemned the ban, saying: "I would have hoped our American allies could show a little more courage.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1526894,00.html?gusrc=rss

The number one priority is to protect the base and personnel not help provide money for the local economy. The base may have went to OPPCON Delta. That restricts the movement of administrative personnel but can be expanded at the base commanders discretion.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Highlander on Jul 13th, 2005, 4:42am
John,

Mikes issue as as most have said here with regards to Policy and the Commanders decisions to restrict the movements of the US off duty military!

What he said was not an attack on the US Troops!
I've read re read read and then replied to YOUR  post!!!

Scott
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Topical on Jul 13th, 2005, 5:28am
I agree, it doesn't seem to be anything to be upset about. The base commander was following set procedures after a terrorist attack and the restriction on movement order has been lifted.

It's now a non-issue.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 13th, 2005, 5:30am
I agree with you totally, Topical.  Our troops were not needed for any tactical assistance and a commander's most important mission is to protect his troops.  The Brits asked everyone to stay out of London.  What kind of "courage" did that MP want, did Mike want, a dead American servicemember?  As for you, Scotty boy, go blow your bagpipes when you sober up.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Mike_P on Jul 13th, 2005, 5:45am

Quote:
Isn't is sad that all UK based American airmen who are based in The Uk were told that they shouldn't go within 15 miles of central London (within M25) Makes you wonder if one of their bases had been bombed over here would they have decided to go home. As a great lover of America and its people, having been there many times, it does make you doubt their sincerity


John,

You really are one sad, sick person. I have not , and never would suggest that the American Service men were cowards. Indeed I have also pointed out my genuine affection for Americans. They were, as I stated above "told" to stay out of London.  I would seriously suggest that you get some treatment as soon as possible.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Ueli on Jul 13th, 2005, 5:50am
Can you say making an elephant out of a midge?   ::)
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Highlander on Jul 13th, 2005, 7:20am

Quote:
What kind of "courage" did that MP want, did Mike want, a dead American servicemember?  As for you, Scotty boy, go blow your bagpipes when you sober up.


John,

Mike didn't want a dead serviceman in fact WE brits along with all the War on Terror Allies would have prefered ZERO! dead ZERO wounded! be then Forces or Civilians! The courage was not to put themselves in danger but for ALL our armed forces to show to the public that THEY are not afraid! (WHO in there right mind would need to be ordered NOT to go to an area currently under attack??)

John,

As I've said before the only people who call me 'boy' are my family and my friends my pipe major! all people who respect me and I respect them Scottyboy is a term of endearment! which I would prefer YOU didn't use!

Before Flaming people here or on the UK board! think mate

Scott
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Mike_P on Jul 13th, 2005, 9:41am
Scott, John has now been banned from the UK board as he has upset many of our members
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by vig on Jul 13th, 2005, 10:24am
was he PCMCCK here?
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by thomas on Jul 13th, 2005, 10:45am
What an ass.  John, if you have an issue with some one, take it up with THEM, not the whole world.  Don't waste D.J.'s bandwidth or my time.  Be a man and take it up with him.  He is entitled to his opinion.  Don't forget his country was just attacked.  You think his emotions may be running high right now?  ::)  I can not believe the trivial shit we will argue about.  To all you Brits, I apologize for John's boorish behavior, please don't observe all of us by the light of his actions.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by jcmquix on Jul 13th, 2005, 10:48am

on 07/13/05 at 10:45:24, thomas wrote:
What an ass.  John, if you have an issue with some one, take it up with THEM, not the whole world.  Don't waste D.J.'s bandwidth or my time.  Be a man and take it up with him.  He is entitled to his opinion.  Don't forget his country was just attacked.  You think his emotions may be running high right now?  ::)  I can not believe the trivial shit we will argue about.  To all you Brits, I apologize for John's boorish behavior, please don't observe all of us by the light of his actions.


Yea.. What hes says..... Perfectly said.....  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

PFDAN's to ALL !!!
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 13th, 2005, 11:47am
I don't know, maybe being upset because someone writes that if one of our bases in England were bombed we might pack up and leave, that we have a "double standard" with regards to terrorism was not appropriate.  Since this forum posts many issues of far less significance, I thought that it would be OK to post what I did-direct quotes, re-read them if you want, interpret them how you will, but by posting what he did and then declaring undying love for America doesn't make sense to me....like I"m going to destroy your villiage to save it.  No regrets here; as Topical wrote, the number one priority is to protect our troops, not put money into the economy over there.  I'm sure that had the Brits wanted our help they would have asked and we would have responded.  BTW, I did confront Mike on the OUCH site and thought that you folks would want to know what was being posted about us.  As for the trauma of Mike and other OUCH members, their posting on the bombings quickly turned into jokes about women's underwear, men's "bits" as they call a penis and so on and eventually, after some of us complained, all of those posts were pulled.  That's it for this subject from me, hope this site doesn't get as uptight as OUCH.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by jcmquix on Jul 13th, 2005, 12:02pm
Dude no wonder you are getting "DONKED" on the head over this subject, its perfectly fine for other people to have and say their mind also... THATS WHY OUR SOLDIERS ARE OVER THEIR FIGHTING RIGHT NOW.

You can not attack someone over their opinion, they are like a**holes, everybody has one.

But to say that we do not Care or Support our Troops, thats totally out of line... CHILL OUT !!

I have 2 family members serving in IRAQ, right now.. If someone says somthing bad about what we are doing over their, I just tell them, "If you do not Support the Mission,  Atleast SUPPORT THE TROOPS" they are there to give you the right to have the choice.

Enough said by me !!!

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS !!!!!

PFDAN's to ALL !!!!
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by thomas on Jul 13th, 2005, 12:14pm
I didn't get that tone from his post, myself.  There are plenty of anti-America people everywhere, and most of them are elected government officials right here.  I'm not offended by Mike's comments at all.  I know that after 9/11 I was very emotional and probably said some things people wouldn't have liked to have heard.  I just don't think his opinion warrants that much animosity.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Mike_P on Jul 13th, 2005, 12:35pm

Quote:
was he PCMCCK here?


The very same.

For the record I was not trying to insult anyone, I would have reacted in exactly the same way if it had been a British officer who had ordered his men to stay out of NY after 9/11. In fact given the gravity of what happened in NY I would have probably been much more vitriolic. I really don't feel that I have to apologise as I don't think I have done anything wrong

Mike
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by thomas on Jul 13th, 2005, 12:37pm

on 07/13/05 at 12:35:11, Mike_P wrote:
I really don't feel that I have to apologise as I don't think I have done anything wrong

Mike

Agreed, whole-heartedly.
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by MOBster on Jul 13th, 2005, 1:21pm
Don't feed the Troll  ;;D

Jonny - will be in touch Bro
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by seasonalboomer on Jul 13th, 2005, 1:36pm
As the great writing team of cahn and van heusen said:

"When somebody loves you
It’s no good unless he loves you - all the way
Happy to be near you
When you need someone to cheer you - all the way

Taller than the tallest tree is
That’s how it’s got to feel
Deeper than the deep blue see is
That’s how deep it goes - if it’s real

When somebody needs you
It’s no good unless he needs you - all the way
Through the good or lean years
And for all the in between years - come what may

Who know where the road will lead us
Only a fool would say
But if you’ll let me love you
It’s for sure I’m gonna love you - all the way, all the way"
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Charlie on Jul 13th, 2005, 5:26pm
This looks weird to me. Kinda fuzzy around the edges.

It's the kind of thing that happens after tragedies such as this. It's fear. We all convey our thoughts better when there is a little distance from the event. 9/11 was a prime example. We're still sorting it out.

I'm cool. Everybody start picking on Don. Jonny's taking a real beating lately....  ::)

Charlie
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Jonny on Jul 13th, 2005, 5:53pm

on 07/13/05 at 17:26:25, Charlie wrote:
This looks weird to me. Kinda fuzzy around the edges.


Thats the very same words I said when I saw my very first puss......never mind ;;D
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Charlie on Jul 13th, 2005, 6:08pm
http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/tape.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by nani on Jul 13th, 2005, 6:11pm

on 07/13/05 at 17:53:34, Jonny wrote:
Thats the very same words I said when I saw my very first puss......never mind ;;D


I am totally mortified that this made me laugh...  ::)
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Jonny on Jul 13th, 2005, 6:32pm

on 07/13/05 at 18:11:56, nani wrote:
I am totally mortified that this made me laugh...  ::)


Somebody had to break up this damn tea party ;;D
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Highlander on Jul 13th, 2005, 6:54pm
Thomas,


Quote:
What an ass.  John, if you have an issue with some one, take it up with THEM, not the whole world.  Don't waste D.J.'s bandwidth or my time.  Be a man and take it up with him.  He is entitled to his opinion.  Don't forget his country was just attacked.  You think his emotions may be running high right now?    I can not believe the trivial shit we will argue about.  To all you Brits, I apologize for John's boorish behavior, please don't observe all of us by the light of his actions.


totally agree!! with you and our US cousins on the WAr on Terror 100% and thaks for your apology! Britain needs her allies right now.

Yes it was British extremest that did the work! but they are trained in an idealogical system that decided this was 'thier task' out side our country!



Quote:
was he PCMCCK here?  



The very same.

For the record I was not trying to insult anyone, I would have reacted in exactly the same way if it had been a British officer who had ordered his men to stay out of NY after 9/11. In fact given the gravity of what happened in NY I would have probably been much more vitriolic. I really don't feel that I have to apologise as I don't think I have done anything wrong


mikes sentiements in plain understandable english Or as close as I can get!!

I sahll retire back to OUCK UK I'll pop over if THAT HDIDO
Which sound WAY to likle an instrument for ladies pleasure insults OUCH UK its members again!

John we are all here for thae same thing mate!!!


Scott

PS

PFDANS to you ALL and God bless America Britain and their troops abroad!

Scott!

PPS

Sorry for those that think my spelling is Sh*t it is!!!!
John, when you resurface (what ever your name change) don't forget about my offer to teach you about world history!

I'll be willing!

Lots of UK love 'Sonnyboy'
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by pubgirl on Jul 13th, 2005, 9:29pm
Not feeding the "hdido" troll as he is a sad and pathetic little man who needs help but for the record:

On here he has been German, American and Belgian.

He has been John Shokorod (or similar spelling), he has been John in NYC, he was unforgiveably vile to Mia  when he was PCMCCK on the "no longer chronic" thread- which got so out of hand many posts have now been edited. There are probably other names he has had to leave behind too, but these are the ones I know.

Wendy
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by Sean_C on Jul 13th, 2005, 11:03pm
What is PCMCCK??????? ;;D
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 14th, 2005, 1:00am
Same question as Sean??????????????????????????????
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by pubgirl on Jul 14th, 2005, 2:35am
Sean

I think my post was very clear and PCMCCK/John/hdido is a very sick little troll who should be pitied and starved.
It isn't my supposition that these are all his names, he told me so himself so his last post is just more silly troll games.

I'm done with this now, I just thought you ought to know which of his split personalities you might be talking to and thought Mia might like to know to watch her back with him.

As MOB says, suggest no further answers as John/PCMCCK/hdido thrives on this and will never go away.



Wendy
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by hdido on Jul 14th, 2005, 4:20am

on 07/14/05 at 02:46:51, AussieBrian wrote:
Does this mean we can get back to the wierd looking thing that was all fuzzy round the edges?


I hope so, though my second experience with the fuzzy thing really confused me as it was shaved!  For fun, buy a can of cream of oyster stew-that oyster looks just like a......you tell me!
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by don on Jul 14th, 2005, 8:17am
Its the hi-de-ho show.

Isn't it the little turd on South Park that says that?
Title: Re: OUTRAGE!
Post by vig on Jul 14th, 2005, 9:32am
http://www.kdlltd.com/vig/mrhanky.gif
;;D


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