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(Message started by: Topical on Jul 7th, 2005, 5:59am)
Title: Explosions in London
Post by Topical on Jul 7th, 2005, 5:59am
I just heard it on the news and am in a bit of shock.  My thoughts are with you all over there.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 7th, 2005, 6:14am
Thanks Topical, The whole transport network has been attacked in central London. We don't know yet what bastards have done this but there is no doubt its a terrorist attack. The hospitals are all activating their emergency plans, all staff are trying to get into them but of course.. no transport.
Scotland Yard have set up a Casualty Bureau but so far.. no confirmations of any deaths although there are reports of covered bodies.
An attack like this during the Rush Hour..

And I've just heard there has been an attack on the Transport System in Brighton too. Looks like it could be country wide..

Pray for us please.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 7th, 2005, 6:32am
My thoughts and prayers are with the folks affected by this tradgedy.

Tom
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Topical on Jul 7th, 2005, 6:37am
I am.

They are showing coverage from ITN now. The horror is being replaced with total anger. Blair will be speaking shortly. It is obvious this was planned. How can anyone harm innocent people and be proud of their actions? That's a question that has no sane answer.

Stay strong, all of us here in the states are with you.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by SteveY on Jul 7th, 2005, 6:41am
I can't believe this.

Looks like this is our 9/11

Makes me more determined than ever to beat these bastards.

Steve
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Jimmy_B on Jul 7th, 2005, 6:57am
:'( :'( :'( What an awful disaster...Have they confirmed Terrorism, yet.? News is coming kinda slow here. Waiting on Blair to speak.

Check in when you can....
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:00am
Sending prayers up for the safety of you and yours.

They said Blair would speak about 7 a.m. our time.

Our early morning news indicated two fatalities.

Helen - stay safe and keep us posted.

Hugs
Carol
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sandie99 on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:03am
Are you okay, my friends in London & UK? :'(
My heart is with you.... London is still a home city to me. :(

My cousin lives in London and my aunt is on her way there as I type. I don't know yet if my cousin is alright. I hope so. He works in the city.

Best wishes,
Sanna
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:05am
Tony Blair has confirmed it is terrorist attacks, he is leaving the G8 to go to London but returning this evening and the G8 WILL NOT STOP!
So if that was the terrorists aim they can shove it up their chocolate whizzway. We won't bow down! He has agreed it was designed to coincide with the opening of the G8
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:07am
Sandie if he is in the City he is safe, that area hasn't been hit. I hope that is of some comfort to you sweetie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sandie99 on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:15am

on 07/07/05 at 07:07:08, LeLimey wrote:
Sandie if he is in the City he is safe, that area hasn't been hit. I hope that is of some comfort to you sweetie

Helen, I don't know if he was already in city or on his way. Mum texted him and we're waiting for him to let us know. I'm not panicking, but I feel sad... :(

I'm so glad you're safe, Helen! :)
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Jimmy_B on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:33am

on 07/07/05 at 07:05:56, LeLimey wrote:
Tony Blair has confirmed it is terrorist attacks, he is leaving the G8 to go to London but returning this evening and the G8 WILL NOT STOP!


Unbelievable...don't the terrorists realise that acts like this just strengthen our resolve to wipe them off the face of the earth.

They are not only heartless...hurting defenseless civilians...but stupid, as well.

Jimmy
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sandie99 on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:50am
When I was studying in London my mum was always panicking that something like this would happen... :(
It's so sad. :'(
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Topical on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:51am
sandie99, the comm lines are very busy. A T-mobile spokesman is saying that it may take some time to complete a call. This may be why he can not respond back. Hang in there.

BBC is reporting that Al Qaeda is responsible according to high-placed Arab sources. Nothing confirmed.

There is also a small one line story, an Israeli diplomat was warned of bomb threats by Scotland Yard just prior to the attacks.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sandie99 on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:54am

on 07/07/05 at 07:51:09, Topical wrote:
sandie99, the comm lines are very busy. A T-mobile spokesman is saying that it may take some time to complete a call. This may be why he can not respond back. Hang in there.

Thanks for reminder. I read the same online. My friend, was in London when 9/11 took place said that the same happened back then, too.
I'm going to think that he's alright until someone tells me something else.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by jcmquix on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:15am
Me & my Family's Prayers go out to all there.

We are praying for your Families & Troops.

Hope the Bastards are brought to justice and have to answer for their actions.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by pattik on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:26am
I was really shocked to hear the news this morning.  My thoughts are with all of you.  Please keep us updated here to let us know how you are doing. :'( [smiley=hug.gif]
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Cathi04 on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:34am
Helen, and all UK CHers.....stay safe, please.
This is a horrible thing to deal with.....it's the stuff that makes us fear settting foot outside our own doors.

Cathy and Wes.I know you're lurking.. please let me know you're all ok......
Cathi  
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Langa on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:45am
Awful news... :'(  You're the first person I thought of Helen when I heard the news this morning.  Glad you and yours are okay.  Praying all our UK buddies are okay as well.

Langa
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by vig on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:03am
the "Secret Organization group of al-Qaeda of Jihad in Europe" is claiming responsibility.

I hope everybody is ok...
:'(

Just know that we'll support you the way you have supported us....
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Bethany1 on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:07am
:'( :'( Man,  Helen, you were the first one I thought of this morning too. I hope everyone is ok... such a mess. Thoughts and prayers going up for all of London.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by aprilbee on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:11am
Our prayers are with you in London....these people...I can't even put it into words... >:(
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:13am
I'm speachless. What a bunch of spineless, morons. They want to fight a war but they insist on fighting it against innocent, defenseless people.

They don't deserve the protection of the Geneva Convention but get it any way.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by floridian on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:20am
What a cowardly act.  Stay strong in the U.K.!!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Gator on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:39am

on 07/07/05 at 07:33:21, Jimmy_B wrote:
Unbelievable...don't the terrorists realise that acts like this just strengthen our resolve to wipe them off the face of the earth.

They are not only heartless...hurting defenseless civilians...but stupid, as well.

Jimmy


These morons seriously screwed with the wrong people - AGAIN!

I'm glad to see some of our family posting already. I hope everyone else is able to check in and let us know they are okay.  My thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by ghost62 on Jul 7th, 2005, 10:18am
Stay strong guys, My heart goes out to all over there. :'(
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by nani on Jul 7th, 2005, 10:28am
OMG! This is just terrible.  :'(  :'(  :'(
I'm sending huge vibes and many prayers over there.
All of you over there, stay safe and be careful.
Much love and many tears, nani
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Melissa on Jul 7th, 2005, 10:48am
My thoughts are with all the UK'ers today as they try to cope with what just happened and that they find their loveds ones to be alright and safe.  My goodbye prayers go to those that have moved on from this life, that they have a safe journey into the unknown and that it be more glorious than the previous one.  For those who are injured I send them strength to make it through these next minutes, hours and days, as they recover and I also keep my wishes next to my heart for this craziness to stop, but I know reality all too well, so I pray for the haters to find the peace and oneness that they need so desperately to stop the hatred.

love & hugs,
mel
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by broomhilda on Jul 7th, 2005, 11:04am
:'( Just checked in with my company and their families, thankfully they are ok, everyone check in when you can, we are all praying and thinking of you in this tragedy...

Prayers packaged and sent from Canada
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by LadyElaine on Jul 7th, 2005, 12:13pm
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  
All I can do is pray. Its so sad !
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by clarence on Jul 7th, 2005, 12:44pm
Up with HA all night and watched the news the whole time.

I have a very close friend who live and works in the city.  She take the tube every day.  First thing I did was try to call her.  No dice.  I am worried sick about her.

Love and prayers to our UK family.

Casey

edited to say that my friend just returned my email and she and her partner are fine.  He was cycling past Kings Cross and Edgeware Rd. as the blasts were occuring.  
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Kim Y. on Jul 7th, 2005, 12:53pm
:'( [smiley=hug.gif]London family and friends prayers and vibes to you all...Kim
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 7th, 2005, 12:59pm
The bastards. What a horror, horrible loss of life and injuries. We're very sorry for you all.

They have no brains and no sense. They seem to think hitting the citizenry of London helps their cause. They know nothing of history. Bombing London has only one effect and that's strengthening their resolve as one little Bavarian Corporal discoverd more than 60 years ago.

Charlie  (If it's on your system, BBC America is a good place to follow this horror)
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 7th, 2005, 1:37pm
It is shameful that these radicals have no other means to get their point across than to kill civilians on the way to work.  They arent allowed to have Stealth Bombers to drop "good bombs" so they have to resort to tactics and use "bad bombs".
Maybe this will be yet another wake up call to the USA and the UK to stop focusing so much attention on Iraq and start focusing on the war on terror.  Bush declared a war on terror over 3 years ago, but then only sent a small amount of assets to Afganistan.

Hey, instead of destroying old bombs in Umatilla, Oregon, why dont we just drop them on Saudi Arabia?  It would be a lot cheaper, and we can kill some terrorists.
PF & Well wishes to all
BMonee
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Melissa on Jul 7th, 2005, 1:45pm
::)

Yeah, sure, like if we pull out of Iraq and focus on other countries who support terrorists, all this senseless killing is going to STOP??  We, and they, are HUMAN BEINGS, who have an innate sense to destroy as well as create.  It will never stop, no matter WHO is to blame.

:(
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Filbert on Jul 7th, 2005, 1:45pm
Just like to thank everyone for their posts of concern. I was in London with 65 schoolchildren but fortunately we were a couple of miles away from the nearest explosion. The bomb that blew up the bus was just around the corner to the Institute of Neurology where Prof Goadsby and his team work. Am praying that everyone is ok!

  Thanks again. Fil.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Melissa on Jul 7th, 2005, 1:47pm
Oh thank the higher power you and the children are ok Filbert!  

Thank you for checking in!!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 7th, 2005, 1:49pm
pulling out of iraq doesnt mean that terrorism is gonna stop.  The USA and the UK should take the position like Israel:  If you spit in my eye, I will cut your balls off and choke your wife and kids to death.
After a while, they will realize that if they blow up a bomb in london, everyone they ever knew will be mercilessly killed.  When the pain gets to the brain, this crap will end.
PF wishes
BMonee
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 7th, 2005, 1:52pm

on 07/07/05 at 13:37:02, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
...maybe this will be yet another wake up call to the USA and the UK to stop focusing so much attention on Iraq and start focusing on the war on terror...


Umm.. don't you think these tossers have been trying for a lot longer than the past couple of days? There have been countless attacks which have been thwarted. Sadly you can NEVER block them all. Our wonderful wonderful emergency services have trained and practised and tried every conceivable situation and it showed today by how smoothly recovery swept into action.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by SteveY on Jul 7th, 2005, 1:52pm
Thanks for all for the support.

But its pay back time now,  by whatever means we need to do.

This is only the begining of the next chapter.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by cootie on Jul 7th, 2005, 2:07pm
Stay safe guys.....jus seen on our local news they are predicting we 'get it again' over here within a years time ? Sum retired FBI guy of 30 years said it is inevidable it happen soon.......what do them SOB's really want anyhow doin all this shit.......the rite to terrorize in peace ? Worry worry nothin but worry Pam
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 7th, 2005, 2:08pm
I believe muslim terror attacks have been happening for longer than a few days, yes.  I dont recall saying that terrorism is a new thing.
Bush said years ago that going around knocking on doors asking for any known terrorists is probably not gonna help much.  But he also said that making the decision to terrorize people much more difficult would help.  Think about it, if you are a terrorist and want to blow something up, but you know that if you blow something up your whole family and everyone you ever knew was gonna get napalmed, you would probably think twice.  
Like Bush said, we need to make it so there is consequence.  If you blow something up, you are going to make life very difficult for your own family and neighbors.  So if you are a terrorist, ya gotta think about your wife's throat being slit and your kids getting their limbs blown off, that would be a deterant.
BMonee
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 7th, 2005, 2:09pm
They are wonderful. It's live here on BBC America.

Too late, once we're in Iraq, it's too late. We're stuck until an exit strategy is agreed upon. It's gotten more complicated too.

Damn.

Charlie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by cootie on Jul 7th, 2005, 2:50pm
Makes alot of sense BMonee....but where does it end. We blow up 'them' and kill there families then they come back and do it again to us.......kinda reminds me of which came first.....the chicken or the egg. Guess it's like insects.....you must wipe out the "entire" colony to live pest free. Pretty scarey shit......inocient die first Pam
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by ghost62 on Jul 7th, 2005, 2:53pm

on 07/07/05 at 13:37:02, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
It is shameful that these radicals have no other means to get their point across than to kill civilians on the way to work.  They arent allowed to have Stealth Bombers to drop "good bombs" so they have to resort to tactics and use "bad bombs".

First of all that statement was assanine at best, they are Terrorist its really that  simple. they are radical, they are not deserving of any pity what so ever. They hate us and our Ideas, why should they be given any weapons? that would be like giving Japan the A bomb during WWII just so it would be fair. The Terrorist need to be hunted like the animals they are and caged then euthinized. We need to stop feeling sorry and get enraged at this and every other act of terror against civilians. They are cowards at least some of the ones in Iraq are brave enough to attack the military, but these cowards attacking civilians dont deserve even a proper burial when killed, they deserve only to be put down. Sorry about the rant but I am tired of people making excuses for the criminals because they are oppressed. That is BS. Now is when we need to step up opperations against them yes even in Iraq. I know the Brits are as outrages as we are when these things happen, But the coverage goes to the liberal whiners and the weenies that want to make nice and they(terrorist) might leave us alone. Or find out thier feelings and then we can change to make them feel better. Ive heard death is a good feeling let them enjoy that. Again ranting.


[quote author=BMoneeTheMoneeMan
Maybe this will be yet another wake up call to the USA and the UK to stop focusing so much attention on Iraq and start focusing on the war on terror.  Bush declared a war on terror over 3 years ago, but then only sent a small amount of assets to Afganistan.

Hey, instead of destroying old bombs in Umatilla, Oregon, why dont we just drop them on Saudi Arabia?  It would be a lot cheaper, and we can kill some terrorists.
PF & Well wishes to all
BMonee
[/quote]

Now for this part of the statement... First of all anyone who still buys into the spew that Iraq was not involved in terrorism  :P ... I can and if requested will site real proof instead of poof that the libs spout. 1993 World trade center bombing(alqueida) the Mastermind fled to Iraq and was protected by Saddam till we invaded and Saddam had to run and hide. Saddam paid And ther is proof suicide bombers families. Also we shut down over 15 terrorist training camps in Iraq when we went in. There is so much more but we would run out of room on this page to put it all. I put to everyone out there we all need to stand together for the victims of this atrocity and stand firmly against the terrorist till they are stopped. no matter where that fight may take us.

well this should stir a giant pot huh? ;;D ;;D ;;D
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by vig on Jul 7th, 2005, 2:53pm
I do think we have to 'outcrazy' them.
They have to be afraid of us.
They don't believe in reason.
sad
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Woobie on Jul 7th, 2005, 3:27pm
Oh WOW
this is some BULLSHIT.
I dont even know what to say ..

sssssssso sad.

and SUCH bullshit.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by maffumatt on Jul 7th, 2005, 4:12pm
Give it up Ghost, facts mean nothing to some people. If it does not fit their ideology, they are not interested. Don't you know its all our fault? Some peoples mouths are bigger than their brains.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by cathy on Jul 7th, 2005, 4:46pm
 :'(.....words fail me
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by kimmeesue on Jul 7th, 2005, 4:58pm
My thoughts and prayers go out to all affected by this insanity.
Kim
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Jonny on Jul 7th, 2005, 5:01pm
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but, so far all the terrorists have been Muslim.

So why are we not allowed to profile?

Dumbass PC bullshit, thats why!!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Donna_D. on Jul 7th, 2005, 5:07pm
I've been following the news all day as well as reading this thread, hoping and praying that each time I opened it there would not be bad news about one of the family.

Thank God so far everyone is ok.  I also pray for those who have lost loved ones.  Remembrances of 09/11 flooded my thoughts when I read the news of this horrible event.

I hope we continue to hear from our friends "over the pond" and that they check in with good news that all are safe and sound.

DD
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Lizzie2 on Jul 7th, 2005, 6:25pm
Been checking in with a few of the UK crew - Wendy's husband Alan was on his way to work in London when she made him come home after the subway was hit.  Wendy - I'm very glad to know he is okay!!!

I get up at about 4:45am, and all day long I was chewing off fingernails until I could get home and talk to Helen and others!!

[[[[[CH friends in UK]]]]]]

I'm glad the emergency systems there are so good and running well!!

Many prayers going up for all who are affected by this tragedy....   :'(

Love,
Lizzie2/Carrie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Kirk on Jul 7th, 2005, 6:33pm
This shit has been going on since we had to rescue hostages from these peoples' ancestors in 1805.
The reason they attempt to get their way with fear and terror, is that it is the only thing they know or understand.
They don't want peace with you. They never have, and it is unlikely that they ever will.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Karla on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:04pm
I hate that this is happenening!  No One should have to endure this madness.  To think that Isreal lives through these kind of attacks daily makes me so mad to think about.  I pray to God to keep everyone stafe and to put fear into the hearts the those terrorists and send them running.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Jonny on Jul 7th, 2005, 7:45pm
http://jihadwatch.org/
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by AussieBrian on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:00pm
Where I live it's pretty remote.  I get my newspapers a week late, just now we've no radio or TV, and I've very limited internet access.

Will someone tell me what happened?  Sounds serious and I worry for all involved.

Thanks heaps,

Brian.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Jonny on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:03pm

on 07/07/05 at 20:00:14, AussieBrian wrote:
Will someone tell me what happened?  Sounds serious and I worry for all involved.


You got internet?

Try Google ;;D
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by AussieBrian on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:05pm
Thanks, Johnny, but just now all I've got is Hotmail and CH.com.

But then, what else does a man need!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Filbert on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:07pm
Brian
      Four bombs exploded on London transport system. Three on tube trains one on a double decker bus. Latest figures are 38 dead and likely to rise and hundreds injured many very seriously.

They'll never EVER win though!!
 
                                         Fil.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by AussieBrian on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:13pm
Thanks Fil.  I'm not given to bad language but fair dinkum I could spit.

All the best to everyone there, and may these bastards rot in the hell of their making.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Jonny on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:22pm

on 07/07/05 at 20:05:49, AussieBrian wrote:
Thanks, Johnny, but just now all I've got is Hotmail and CH.com.


Christ ;;D
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15861290%5E661,00.html
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Leggs on Jul 7th, 2005, 8:55pm
This kind of thing just really pisses me off. So cowardly, why don't they let people see them, know them, do the time, get their heads blown off, like they blew off limbs of people they do this to.

Doing this mess to innocent people on their way to work makes no sense which proves they are morons.  If they wanted to gripe about the G8, why didn't they mess with the G8? Because they would get their coconuts blown off with all the security there...but innocent people.  

If they are under the dillusion this is somehow from GOD/Allah, or under his direction, that is truly sad.  They caused such hell and fear in London, but they will be in hell for eternity.

My heart is really aching for you all over there...I am so very sorry you have to endure this, and I will keep you in my prayers T.Ann Macon, GA
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:10pm
Ghost, i dont understand why when i say " I wish we could go after terrorists and known terrorist havens", you call me a liberal. Why is that?  Are you implying that if I want to spend focus and effort hunting down and killing the man who killed members of my family and friends, I am a liberal?  Well, then I guess you can label me a liberal on that issue, cause i want to never rest and never lose focus on invading the top 10 countries that we know al quada operate.......then we can worry about much smaller threats like Iraq.
You can aruge that every country in the entire world has radical muslims that want to cause harm, Iraq fits in there.  But we know that 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 we saudi.  NBC news said that 55% of the insurgents we kill or capture in Iraq are saudis.  Saudi arabia is not locking down their border and their citizens are flocking across to Iraq and trying to kill Americans.  
HOWCOME WE (BUSH) HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Howcome we didnt invade saudi arabia with shock and awe?  Howcome we sent more assets and resources to look for saddam than we sent to look for Osama?  Why?  Howcome syrians are shooting at us across the border and allegedly took all of Iraqs WMDs, but we arent doing anything about it?
Man, your little "liberal" label may be true in what the democratic party has evolved into.  Maybe the liberal of today wants to really go after terrorists with merciless fury and focus, and the "neocon" poo-poos that.  Is that what you are getting at?
You can call me any name in the book, and it will never break my painful longing for this country to flex a little muscle and avenge the death of thousands.  Yes, terrorism across the world is horrific, but 9/11 affected me personally and killed members of my family.  As a true patriotic american, i havent forgotten, and I still pray to god that one day America will strike back and teach those bastards a lesson.

PF wishes to all
BMonee
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by vig on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:40pm
Liberals AND Conservatives and all of us in between want to stop this madness...

UNITE!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Redd715 on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:44pm
I don't watch the news in the mornings before work so it doesn't taint my day...but all day at work this news was on the radio and the TV in the break room.

I'm stunned and horrified that this happened again.  If the anti_Bush camp doesn't see that this war is the absolutely RIGHT thing to do at this time they are blind deaf and dumb.  

Them or us now...and it won't be us.  

(this coming out of the fingers of a liberal who'd a thunk it?)
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by vig on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:47pm
the anti-bush camp was never against fighting terrorists and al Qaeda....
only the Iraq part.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Redd715 on Jul 7th, 2005, 9:55pm
I understand this...I also agree with ending terrorism is all it's forms from all sources.  Within our borders and outside them.  Citizens can fight it internally...our government is charged with the protection of our soil and lending assistance to our allies to protect theirs.  Fine line to walk and there are those who will nit pick each step but if the final result is an end to mass killings of innocent people for anger and misguided rightiousness, then the means be given a bit..and I mean a bit...of lattitude.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by DonnaHar on Jul 7th, 2005, 10:12pm
I'm pretty close to being in your corner, BMonee.  

There seems to be only one way to stop it and that is to put some fear into the terrorists and those who hide and help them.  I thought that was what our Pres. said, once upon a time.

Perhaps the terrorists really don't know any other way of life, but we cannot let them continue.  We are sitting ducks.  What do we do?  Just wait for the next attack?
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sarsie on Jul 7th, 2005, 11:02pm
I am mostly online at night (in the States, of course) so I'm coming in late.

I watched a lot of the coverage this morning, and I also want to extend my condolences, thoughts, and prayers for our British friends.

I hope they catch the bastards.  What am I saying?  I hope they catch *all* those bastards!  This needs to end.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sarsie on Jul 7th, 2005, 11:05pm

Quote:
NBC news said that 55% of the insurgents we kill or capture in Iraq are saudis.  Saudi arabia is not locking down their border and their citizens are flocking across to Iraq and trying to kill Americans.  
HOWCOME WE (BUSH) HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


The fact that they're LEAVING Saudi to train tells me SA is doing what they need to do NOT to harbor terrorists.  

I'm a little confused.  What do you expect them to do?  Actively PREVENT their citizens from traveling abroad?  Tell them they can't leave the country?  

Is it S/A or CUBA?
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 7th, 2005, 11:20pm
Yes, sarsie, thats exactly what our "ally' is supposed to do.  Our 'ally' is supposed to do what they can do to help protect us, and in return, we do what we can do to help protect them.  
We had a 'no fly zone' over iraq.  why cant we have a 'no people zone' as a buffer on the border from iraq to saudi?  If you are a people in that zone, you will be shot.  isnt that protecting Iraq's freedom and the american troops?  Didnt Bush say he would do any and everything to crush and prevent muslim extremists from harming americans and our good ol little buddy Iraq?
So if he said that, why isnt he ACTING in that fashion?
PF wishes
BMonee
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by stevegeebe on Jul 7th, 2005, 11:55pm
"Mr. President, as requested, we have all of the leaders of the Middle East on speaker phone...."

"Very good...thank you Mr. Secretary.  Please ask them to hold for a moment and now, please dial in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex ."

Steve G
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by mynm156 on Jul 7th, 2005, 11:56pm
I have been checking on this all day.  I hope that all is getting better accross the pond!  The news here seems more concered about us than here than telling us what all is going on over there.    

GOOD VIBES my FRIENDS!!!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jul 8th, 2005, 1:05am
US/UK   We stand strong together brothers and sisters! Right now we stand in mourning and ready to back you up in any next step you want to take or not take!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by hdido on Jul 8th, 2005, 1:13am
We don't do anything to Saudi Arabia because they have lots of oil and are OUR FRIENDS!  We don't do anything to Syria because we use them to send "suspected terrorists" to so that they can be tortured for "information"-keep our hands clean that way.

How can you scare a terrorist if they are willing to strap a bomb onto themselves and blow themselves up, along with their innocent victims?  Unfortunately, we should expect to see more of what happened in London in the future.  I think that had we not gone into Iraq we would not have such a large terrorist problems...our continuted occupation of that country is the most effective recruiting tool that the terrorists have had in years; as long as we turn a blind eye to he activities of our "allies" in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia, where women are stoned to death for adultery and other "crimes" (but not the men, they just get whipped a few times) and thieves have a hand amputated, the list of human rights abuses there goes on and on...but they are our buddies, so nothing will be done and the cycle of violence will continue.  My syspathies to the Peoople of London and of England.[b][/b]
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jul 8th, 2005, 1:20am
Oh, and Vig? The Anti Bush camp WAS for ONLY fighting terrorists and Al Qaeda. Not this war/boodoggle/Quagmire/Avoidance-of-War-on-Terrorism/Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card for Osama!/Forget-Al-Qaeda-Pick-a-Fight-With-Iraq mess.
Why is Afghanistan heating up again? That's where the war should have been and should have ended.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 8th, 2005, 1:37am
I heard that the death toll is going up in London. This is horrible but I heard that oddly, they may have made a mistake because all the leaders were together when it happened. Getting this bunch together to consider terrorism was nearly impossible. There they are......

It's what we do over there rather than how we live over here that gets in their way of their effort to establish a 14th century theocracy all over Persia and Arabia.
What a shame too that they have so many youngsters with little to live for. It makes recruiting them to carry out things like this easy. It's not getting better.

Injecting....or from their point of view, inflicting democracy or more moderate governments, looks pretty iffy at best. The bin Ladens of the world have too much to say.  >:(

What a sad thing to happen when the British are about to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the end of the war too.  >:(

Charlie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jul 8th, 2005, 1:39am
"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but, so far all the terrorists have been Muslim. "

"Amen!" - Timothy McVeigh's last words before being executed for killing several hundred humans because the didn't vote Republican.

"So why are we not allowed to profile? "

Exactly!

"Dumbass PC bullshit, thats why!!"

Please keep white Christians off my planes so I can feel safe again. And if you can't keep them off the planes let's at least pull them aside and make sure they haven't contributed to Pat Robertson or any of the other fanatics!
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by maffumatt on Jul 8th, 2005, 7:27am
Yea us white Christians are Horrible people, when people start killing us, we have a tendency to stand up and fight back. When people start takeing our rights away, we have a tendency to fight back. When people try to take our way of life we have a tendency to fight back. Compareing christians to terrorist is offensive, please continue to offend all of us on the board if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by pubgirl on Jul 8th, 2005, 9:06am
I think the point being made by "Ted" is that all terrorists are NOT muslims, not a post intending to offend Christians. McVeigh was a white Christian, the terrorists from Northern Ireland who have been our main and long standing experience of terrorism here are white Christians too.
Remember we have been bombed here in the UK many, many times before, and this is almost the first time it MAY have been from somewhere other than a predominantly Christian group

Wendy
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by ghost62 on Jul 8th, 2005, 9:38am

on 07/07/05 at 21:10:21, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Ghost, i dont understand why when i say " I wish we could go after terrorists and known terrorist havens", you call me a liberal. Why is that?  Are you implying that if I want to spend focus and effort hunting down and killing the man who killed members of my family and friends, I am a liberal?  Well, then I guess you can label me a liberal on that issue, cause i want to never rest and never lose focus on invading the top 10 countries that we know al quada operate.......then we can worry about much smaller threats like Iraq.
You can aruge that every country in the entire world has radical muslims that want to cause harm, Iraq fits in there.  But we know that 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 we saudi.  NBC news said that 55% of the insurgents we kill or capture in Iraq are saudis.  Saudi arabia is not locking down their border and their citizens are flocking across to Iraq and trying to kill Americans.  
HOWCOME WE (BUSH) HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Howcome we didnt invade saudi arabia with shock and awe?  Howcome we sent more assets and resources to look for saddam than we sent to look for Osama?  Why?  Howcome syrians are shooting at us across the border and allegedly took all of Iraqs WMDs, but we arent doing anything about it?
Man, your little "liberal" label may be true in what the democratic party has evolved into.  Maybe the liberal of today wants to really go after terrorists with merciless fury and focus, and the "neocon" poo-poos that.  Is that what you are getting at?
You can call me any name in the book, and it will never break my painful longing for this country to flex a little muscle and avenge the death of thousands.  Yes, terrorism across the world is horrific, but 9/11 affected me personally and killed members of my family.  As a true patriotic american, i havent forgotten, and I still pray to god that one day America will strike back and teach those bastards a lesson.

PF wishes to all
BMonee


First I didnt call you a Liberal. 2nd I do agree with alot of what you sd as far as hunting the terrorist down. I realize that the media paints a picture of how little we have done and are doing in Afganistan but realistically there was actually more put into there, just the press didnt get to do a ride along. we still have thousands, yes thousands of troops in Afganistan. We still are attempting to track down and capture Bin Laden. As far as the lib statements I was expounding on what I percieved the they need better weapons comment and spewed for my humble opinion. Most Liberals (not democrats) there is a difference, want to make nice with the terrorist and examine there feelings, and figure out what we did wrong, and fix us not the terrorist. I have followed alot of the posts here and have seen a difference in views here as far as alot of issues, and could make a good arguement for either side on most of them, sometimes even do just to stir the pot a little. But like most people here I feel confident I can include you in this statement, The is no excusing Terrorist nor is there excusing anyone that sympathises (sp) with them. As far as saudi goes I would hope soon that if more isnt done they to would at least ask for our, or another anti terrorist nation to assist them in the hunt within their borders. Now Syria they just need to be placed on the list for the next country to be fixed. best analagy I could think of ( being fixed) as in neutered.
As the Rant continues.

Now Ducking rweally low ;;D
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 8th, 2005, 2:36pm

Quote:
we still have thousands, yes thousands of troops in Afganistan

Lots of them French.

That aside, trying to get on the good side of the Saudis goes nowhere. So far they don't have a good side. It's a miserable bunch of despots in charge with no interest in cutting a deal other than something to make a buck.

Charlie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Bob P on Jul 8th, 2005, 3:05pm
You guys are certainly entertaining.

They need to limit air travelers to only one of those little bottles of booze.

People should be allowed to smoke weed in bars.

If the profile fits, use it (instead of using it and pretending we're not).
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by maffumatt on Jul 8th, 2005, 4:36pm
The convicted Oklahoma City bomber was either the patsy of white extremists, the patsy of Islamic fundamentalists, the patsy of a vast government conspiracy, a psychotic remorseless mass murderer, or some of the above, or all of the above. However he was no Christian. If his last words were Amen, its amazeing how many athiests become Born Again when they are faced with death. As far as the IRA goes I don't know much about them, as a terrorist orginization they should be hunted down with the rest of their brethern.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by firebrix on Jul 8th, 2005, 5:38pm
Greetings and sympathy to all Londoners from their Kiwi friends.

We've been watching TV and are inspired by the courage of the people, their strength and the amazing and tireless workers.

Our thoughts are with you.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Topical on Jul 8th, 2005, 9:41pm
They are analyzing all the security tapes now looking for the people who were carrying the bombs. I read that they think this group is a "sleeper cell" and is still in England. My thoughts are with those in the hospitals who are recovering and the families of those affected.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by hdido on Jul 9th, 2005, 12:43am

on 07/08/05 at 07:27:12, maffumatt wrote:
Yea us white Christians are Horrible people, when people start killing us, we have a tendency to stand up and fight back. When people start takeing our rights away, we have a tendency to fight back. When people try to take our way of life we have a tendency to fight back. Compareing christians to terrorist is offensive, please continue to offend all of us on the board if it makes you feel better.


If you study your history, you will find that white christians have been responsible for the deaths of untold millions of people, more than any other religious or ethnic groups.  They have killed in the name of christianity, they have killed because others would not convert to christianity, you name a reason and they have killed for it all the while citing that god is on their side.  They have killed with weapons and they continue to kill in places like Africa by forbidding the use of condoms to prevent the spread of AIDS.  I was born a white christian, but now I'm just a white guy who will have nothing to do with religion, christian or otherwise.  Jesus had a great message, but once he died power hungry people took over and turned christianity into just another way to control populations and for those in power to do whatever they want.  Other religions aren't much different.  Did you know that the German army belt buckle during WWI and WWII was inscribed with the words "Gott mit uns" ("God is with us")).  Religion has been, and I mean all religions, responsible for more killing in history than any other ideology and god seems to be on both sides at the same time; "The opiate of the masses"-at least Karl Marx got that right.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by AussieBrian on Jul 9th, 2005, 1:26am
                  Send the Dawn

The longest night, borne of the bowels of Hell,
Steals the light from the day I've loved so well.
Gone is my right to fight against death's knell,
Mine's my body,  their's my soul to sell.

One man, as stands alone, abhors to kill,
Yet in a thousand men they can instil
The cameraderie, espirit de corps, until
What one man can't, an Army always will.

God's on our side, and we've the right of might.
Time won't bide, we're told, the enemy's in sight.
For god and Land, all war's seen no respite,
And so begins again the longest night.

But for god, or Land, no other war's been been fought.
For god and Land, all devastation wrought.
In history's hand, no other lesson taught,
History's lessons still amount to nought.

And soldiers will, as every soldier's told,
March forth and kill, for we are soldiers bold.
As grist from mill, as all from one great mould,
My body's mine, but for them my soul's been sold.

Yet in this soldier's life there comes a time,
When battle's rife, death and life sublime.
Who's is this life?  War's endless pantomime,
Longest night, this endless night, and it's mine.

And know well while this righteous war is borne,
Bullets the midwife, from night's gut it's torn.
The whim of kings and princes, hang the pawn,
This longest night no peace will spawn,
Send the dawn.

(Brian D. Lee)
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sarsie on Jul 9th, 2005, 1:27am

on 07/07/05 at 23:20:06, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Yes, sarsie, thats exactly what our "ally' is supposed to do.  Our 'ally' is supposed to do what they can do to help protect us, and in return, we do what we can do to help protect them.  
We had a 'no fly zone' over iraq.  why cant we have a 'no people zone' as a buffer on the border from iraq to saudi?  If you are a people in that zone, you will be shot.  isnt that protecting Iraq's freedom and the american troops?  Didnt Bush say he would do any and everything to crush and prevent muslim extremists from harming americans and our good ol little buddy Iraq?
So if he said that, why isnt he ACTING in that fashion?
PF wishes
BMonee



You can't be serious?  So, you actually advocate LIMITING the freedoms of the Saudi people and government to "protect" us?

If there's a "no people zone" between S/A and Iraq, they'll simply go by way of Jordan or somewhere in between.  

You expect the "leader of the free world" to act by limiting the freedom of others?  That makes sense to you?
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jul 9th, 2005, 3:20am

on 07/08/05 at 01:13:28, hdido wrote:
 We don't do anything to Syria because we use them to send "suspected terrorists" to so that they can be tortured for "information"-keep our hands clean that way.


Well, if WE tortured them, you'd yell at us. So, that's the next best option. Personally, I'd perfer to send over a group of fathers that lost their kids on 911 over there to do some questioning.


on 07/08/05 at 01:13:28, hdido wrote:
How can you scare a terrorist if they are willing to strap a bomb onto themselves and blow themselves up, along with their innocent victims?


I dont know. And since we can't send the families of the victims to do it,  we're letting Syria do the "questioning" They seem to know how to scare a terrorist.


on 07/08/05 at 01:13:28, hdido wrote:
I think that had we not gone into Iraq we would not have such a large terrorist problems...our continuted occupation of that country is the most effective recruiting tool that the terrorists have had in years;


And you are telling other people to study history?? LOL
We had a little problem a while back in New York before we began this occupation, as you call it. That one was on 9/11. Do you know the first time the world trade center was terrorized? Have you heard of the Cole? The Marine barracks in Beruit? "The United States Marines were stationed in Beirut as a peace keeping force. They were headquartered in a compound building at the Beirut International Airport. At 6:20 a.m. on October 23, 1983 most Marines were still in bed..241 of them died.
How far back should I go?

When did it strike you as a large problem? Just now?

Do you have ANY idea of how long people from the middle east have been terrorizing people around the world? Even if you consider the US as a terroist nation, as I suppose some obviously do, we couldn't have been doing it for more than 200 years.

The people that lived where the Tigris and the Euphrates meet have been terrorizing people since they chipped off pieces of stone from the first wheel and threw a rock at a guy named Syd.


on 07/08/05 at 01:13:28, hdido wrote:
as long as we turn a blind eye to he activities of our "allies" in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia, where women are stoned to death for adultery and other "crimes" (but not the men, they just get whipped a few times) and thieves have a hand amputated, the list of human rights abuses there goes on and on...but they are our buddies, so nothing will be done and the cycle of violence will continue.[b]


So, you've made a complete circle in one post. So..as long as we turn a blind eye to SA, what? You saying we should go in there? Creat another "effective recruiting tool"? or not? We should be in both? or Neither?
Just as long as you pin the blame on the US for causing this, you don't care what story you use. Did we cause the "cycle of violence by going into Iraq or by not going into SA at the same time?


Although the rest of what Ted had to say in this thread was a little questionable ;-), his following quote says it all..
"US/UK   We stand strong together brothers and sisters! Right now we stand in mourning and ready to back you up in any next step you want to take or not take! "


Bobw
At the US State Department, a British flag was run up a flagpole outside the diplomatic entrance ( for the first time in history) and then lowered to half-staff by two uniformed guards.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by purpleydog on Jul 9th, 2005, 4:13am

on 07/08/05 at 09:38:49, ghost62 wrote:
Now Syria they just need to be placed on the list for the next country to be fixed. best analagy I could think of ( being fixed) as in neutered.


Who did you have in mind to be on "the list" after Syria? Do you really think the mighty USA should be "fixing" any country, just because they operate differently from us? When a country has a terrorist group, does that mean we go in and take over the entire country? What about the rest of the countries they operate in? The ones not located in the middle east.


Quote:
The reason they attempt to get their way with fear and terror, is that it is the only thing they know or understand.


This will never change, at least not in my lifetime.

I don't know what the answer is, but going in uninvited and "fixing" someplace isn't it.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by hdido on Jul 9th, 2005, 4:43am

on 07/09/05 at 03:20:58, Pinkfloyd wrote:
Well, if WE tortured them, you'd yell at us. So, that's the next best option. Personally, I'd perfer to send over a group of fathers that lost their kids on 911 over there to do some questioning.


I dont know. And since we can't send the families of the victims to do it,  we're letting Syria do the "questioning" They seem to know how to scare a terrorist.


And you are telling other people to study history?? LOL
We had a little problem a while back in New York before we began this occupation, as you call it. That one was on 9/11. Do you know the first time the world trade center was terrorized? Have you heard of the Cole? The Marine barracks in Beruit? "The United States Marines were stationed in Beirut as a peace keeping force. They were headquartered in a compound building at the Beirut International Airport. At 6:20 a.m. on October 23, 1983 most Marines were still in bed..241 of them died.
How far back should I go?

When did it strike you as a large problem? Just now?

Do you have ANY idea of how long people from the middle east have been terrorizing people around the world? Even if you consider the US as a terroist nation, as I suppose some obviously do, we couldn't have been doing it for more than 200 years.

The people that lived where the Tigris and the Euphrates meet have been terrorizing people since they chipped off pieces of stone from the first wheel and threw a rock at a guy named Syd.


So, you've made a complete circle in one post. So..as long as we turn a blind eye to SA, what? You saying we should go in there? Creat another "effective recruiting tool"? or not? We should be in both? or Neither?
Just as long as you pin the blame on the US for causing this, you don't care what story you use. Did we cause the "cycle of violence by going into Iraq or by not going into SA at the same time?


Although the rest of what Ted had to say in this thread was a little questionable ;-), his following quote says it all..
"US/UK   We stand strong together brothers and sisters! Right now we stand in mourning and ready to back you up in any next step you want to take or not take! "


Bobw
At the US State Department, a British flag was run up a flagpole outside the diplomatic entrance ( for the first time in history) and then lowered to half-staff by two uniformed guards.


So maybe we should start torturing people here, is that it?  What does all of what you have written have to do with Iraq?  Tje 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, as is Bin Laden as are most of the foreign insurrectionists in Iraq.  See PurpleyDogs post-makes a lot of sense, you don't.  Your racism is apparent in your remarks about "those people" throwing rocks at each other since.....bet you are a good christian.  Start denying due process to foreigners and soon it will ge denied to some Americans and then all Americans that don't agree with the government-the Nazis had the formula down right and eventually what happened first to Jews, Gypsies, etc. was done to them by their own government.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Sean_C on Jul 9th, 2005, 10:07am
The US is hated in the Middle East because we support Israel.  [smiley=huh.gif]

The current President does, Americans do, as does most of the civilized world.

Can you tell me who doesn't? Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

Sean..............................................
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by maffumatt on Jul 9th, 2005, 11:13am

on 07/09/05 at 00:43:38, hdido wrote:
If you study your history, you will find that white christians have been responsible for the deaths of untold millions of people, more than any other religious or ethnic groups.  They have killed in the name of christianity, they have killed because others would not convert to christianity, you name a reason and they have killed for it all the while citing that god is on their side.  They have killed with weapons and they continue to kill in places like Africa by forbidding the use of condoms to prevent the spread of AIDS.  I was born a white christian, but now I'm just a white guy who will have nothing to do with religion, christian or otherwise.  Jesus had a great message, but once he died power hungry people took over and turned christianity into just another way to control populations and for those in power to do whatever they want.  Other religions aren't much different.  Did you know that the German army belt buckle during WWI and WWII was inscribed with the words "Gott mit uns" ("God is with us")).  Religion has been, and I mean all religions, responsible for more killing in history than any other ideology and god seems to be on both sides at the same time; "The opiate of the masses"-at least Karl Marx got that right.


See I told you we were horrible people. You have more wrong with your head than CH, I hope that someday you find peace in your heart. I Pity you man, I really do.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Woobie on Jul 9th, 2005, 12:20pm
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Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 9th, 2005, 1:53pm
http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/paper read.gif


The kid does have a point. Maybe it's clusters that brings out the best in us.

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/pleasantry.gif


I'll try....

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/sigh.gif
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jul 9th, 2005, 2:30pm

on 07/09/05 at 04:43:33, hdido wrote:
Start denying due process to foreigners and soon it will ge denied to some Americans and then all Americans that don't agree with the government-the Nazis had the formula down right and eventually what happened first to Jews, Gypsies, etc. was done to them by their own government.


See...I told you that you'd yell at us. Now you're calling us Nazi's.
Maybe you don't remember this from your freshman history classes last year, but the US was one of the countries that fought against the Nazis. Back then we were an isolationist and it took us a long time to join the fight but we did eventually. Ever since, we've been crucified (if I can use that term) for waiting so long to help end the suffering of others.
Now, we're being criticized for jumping in too soon to end the suffering.


on 07/09/05 at 04:43:33, hdido wrote:
 Your racism is apparent in your remarks about "those people" throwing rocks at each other since.....bet you are a good christian.


Please show me where I referred to "those people"

What book are you reading? "How to spot a racist, for dummies" Is it one of those pretty bright yellow books with the soft and snuggly covers?

Does chapter 2 say that if I deny it, that's proof of my racism?  ::)

I wish I had BobP's knack for brevity  ;;D

Bobw
(it figures that instead of answering any questions, you just begin the name calling)
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by maffumatt on Jul 9th, 2005, 2:35pm
the only sermon I see is the one telling me how my deepest spirital beliefs are a waste of time. That view seems to be pretty prevelent here.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Racer1_NC on Jul 9th, 2005, 2:37pm

Quote:
The people that lived where the Tigris and the Euphrates meet have been terrorizing people since they chipped off pieces of stone from the first wheel and threw a rock at a guy named Syd.



Quote:
Your racism is apparent in your remarks about "those people" throwing rocks at each other since.....bet you are a good christian.


It's not racism when it's a fact. The western world is just the latest target. If the USA and Great Britian sudden disappeared from the face of the earth, the people in question would be hot on someone else's ass within a week. It's a way of life not easily changed by us, or anyone else for that matter.

B
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Racer1_NC on Jul 9th, 2005, 2:41pm

on 07/09/05 at 10:07:17, Sean_C wrote:
The US is hated in the Middle East because we support Israel.  [smiley=huh.gif]

The current President does, Americans do, as does most of the civilized world.

Can you tell me who doesn't? Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

Sean..............................................


The US is also hated in the middle east because those that the masses look to for guidance blame the the poverty and oppression they live in on the west.....

B
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by purpleydog on Jul 9th, 2005, 2:56pm
Not to mention the general "attitude" of us westerners...

We live in a complete opposite way from the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Sean_C on Jul 9th, 2005, 3:20pm

on 07/09/05 at 14:41:49, Racer1_NC wrote:
The US is also hated in the middle east because those that the masses look to for guidance blame the the poverty and oppression they live in on the west.....

B


Thats true B & PD, but its a by product of the latter. In the minds of many Muslims extremist the US should have turned its back on Israel, but we stand behind them and that alone is enough to proclaim war. This war didn't start 10 years ago, and will take century's to change someones reasonings.
As for the people of the Middle East. Its hard to change oppression if you don't think you are being oppressed.

For the record I'm not flaming anyone, just having a family discussion.  ;;D

Sean............................
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by totka2 on Jul 9th, 2005, 3:49pm
Terrible and shocking news.
People of London ... my thoughts are with you.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sarsie on Jul 9th, 2005, 7:02pm

Quote:
Does chapter 2 say that if I deny it, that's proof of my racism?


No, silly! It's only proof if you say, "My best friend is _________________!"
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by sandie99 on Jul 10th, 2005, 2:56pm
I'm so glad that everybody are okay.

It turned out that my cousin had a execptional day off because his mum was flying to London on the day of the bombs. So he's okay.

And so is my aunt, as she postponed her trip until Friday. :)

I'm still praying for all of you in London... :)

Best wishes,
Sanna
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by WhoIsTedNow on Jul 11th, 2005, 12:56am
I've been told I've been good at one thing. Well. White Christians who think your group's history/present doesn't stink: Consider it stirred!
But love be unto you brothers and sisters who have been fighting so hard to stop the Sudanese genocide. Who condemned the Southern Irish for killing innocent Brits. To you who doesn't call an obnoxious Christian, Bhuddist, whatever, a New York Jew. To you who haven't skipped over reading the stories of the rising anti-semitism in Europe. To you who stand up to fight against ALL religious persectution and not just when 5 nuns in China are persecuted.
Lord, we know you are many who fit into this category. But where are you all hiding?
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by ghost62 on Jul 11th, 2005, 2:07am

on 07/09/05 at 04:13:05, purpleydog wrote:
Who did you have in mind to be on "the list" after Syria? Do you really think the mighty USA should be "fixing" any country, just because they operate differently from us? When a country has a terrorist group, does that mean we go in and take over the entire country? What about the rest of the countries they operate in? The ones not located in the middle east.


This will never change, at least not in my lifetime.

I don't know what the answer is, but going in uninvited and "fixing" someplace isn't it.

As far as the list any country who sponsors terrorism or allows anti US terrorism any where in the world, Now to clarify for some who would like to assume I'm saying just besause it is there, that it is government sponsored or condoned, I am not. There is a definite distinction, There is terrorist training camps all over the world, but there are many governments actively trying to find them and shut them down, they dont belong on the list. There are also many Governments who pay terrorists families when their sons or daughters ect... blow up civilians, they belong on the list.


on 07/08/05 at 14:36:01, Charlie wrote:
ghost62 sd
we still have thousands, yes thousands of troops in Afganistan
charlie replied
Lots of them French.

And a 10 to 1 ratio American to a combination of all other countries.Wow the french comitted a few I emphasise FEW troops. As peace keepers after major combat was over. I know they (according to the libs )
where ther during combat WRONG being there in spirit is not being there. They arrived after the fact! When there was little chance for them to surrender. ;;D Sorry I just had to throw that in.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 11th, 2005, 2:47am
The problem with our war on terrorism is that Bush and his fun-loving Congress have mostly waged the war against us, ala the Patriot Act.

I miss my country.

Charlie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by ghost62 on Jul 11th, 2005, 5:08am
I know alot of people like or tolerate that but I feel like the terrorist win when we loose freedoms because of them, so I do agree with you on that point.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Frank_W on Jul 11th, 2005, 10:16am
My tears and prayers and sadness... This has recalled all of the grief I felt after 9/11. I am so very sorry... I cried when I read the news.  :'( The US and England have long stood with each other through the world's greatest conflicts. Thank you for being our allies. Whatever it takes to marginalize and subdue the scourge of modern terrorism, let's rock 'n' roll.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by maffumatt on Jul 11th, 2005, 12:58pm

on 07/11/05 at 02:47:37, Charlie wrote:
The problem with our war on terrorism is that Bush and his fun-loving Congress have mostly waged the war against us, ala the Patriot Act.

I miss my country.

Charlie


Crap, I agree with Charlie on this.......

edited to add........the patriot act part anyway.....
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 11th, 2005, 5:59pm
Yeah. Amazing  :o

We're being softened up, as one writer said. It's happening in increments. Many of you were born after lots of airport security was in place. Believe me, there was a lot of flack when scanners were introduced. It seems even more then.

Scanners did work after slowing us down but we didn't take it lightly. It was a big deal. The price that we pay to think we are safe is that we let the government do more eavesdropping. They don't call it that now. It's politely called "monitoring." Sorta like shellshock is now "post-traumatic stress disorder."

Historically, all governments take advantage of things like 9-11. It lets them get away with a lot of shit. We're not so likely to storm the castle.

Chip away, chip away. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/surrender.png

Charlie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by maffumatt on Jul 11th, 2005, 6:20pm
Chip Chip Chip, Charlie is right . Gun laws are a good example, the goverment (esp. local gov) will use a  tragedy to get ther foot into the door, once its there they can regulate it to death.. A good example of the people standing up and saying no to the gov is in California the police were useing infared camera to look into peoples homes. Supposedly they were looking for grow operations but used them for a number of illegal  reasons. The detail of thoses cameras is incredible. In the little town I am from we had a sheriff named Paul Boon, I personaly heard him tell a judge that if he had his way everyone in Cass County would be on Probation, that way he knew everthing about everyone, and that he could enter their homes unannounced. That it was easier to controll the population.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by thomas on Jul 11th, 2005, 6:24pm
Let's please not degrade this thread any further with political rhetoric.  Innocent people lost their lives and were injured.  Do not forget them and why this happened.  I will remember July 7th.  In their honor.  God save the Queen.
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 11th, 2005, 6:32pm
Jesus. It never ends.

Cops were different when I was young. Now they are terrified of us so they go off the deep end. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/loo knod sm.gif

Damn, I wish what you wrote wasn't so true. We're in big trouble.
Time for torchlight parades. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/mad crowd.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by pubgirl on Jul 11th, 2005, 8:16pm
7/7

still finding bodies, families still don't have news..........
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 12th, 2005, 1:43am
I didn't think about that. 7/7. Damn. When will it end?

I heard they haven't gotten to some of the bodies too. Some of the tube is unsafe as well?

Charlie
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 12th, 2005, 2:40pm
As usual short and sweet. Religion vs. Religion = WAR  :-[


Lee
Title: Re: Explosions in London
Post by Jimmy_B on Jul 12th, 2005, 3:49pm

on 07/11/05 at 18:24:31, thomas wrote:
Let's please not degrade this thread any further with political rhetoric.  Innocent people lost their lives and were injured.  Do not forget them and why this happened.  I will remember July 7th.  In their honor.  God save the Queen.



Very wise advice, indeed. Thanks...

To the people of Great Britain...please know we are right next to you and will never forget your loss.

Jimmy


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