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(Message started by: Kris_in_SJ on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:08pm)
Title: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:08pm
About the use of Lithium and other mind-and chemical altering substances that clusterheads use to avoid suicide?

Despite the fact he's a damned good actor, the guy is pissing me off with all his blather about drugs.

Am  I alone?

Kris
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by don on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:12pm
All I know about Tom Cruise is he likes jumping up and down on Oprahs couch.

Beyond that I put as much intellectual stock in him as I would in a pile of mashed potatoes.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:13pm
I was wondering if someone was going to mention that!  I think he's looney.

What would be really sweet is if they end up admitting him to a psychiatric facility!  haha

Great actor, but man....the stuff he is saying, in my mind - it's just irrational and really out there!

Lizzie :)
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:15pm

Quote:
We asked Cruise to explain his recent comments regarding Brooke Shields. Cruise created a firestorm when he criticized Shields for revealing that she went into therapy and took antidepressants to deal with her postpartum depression. Cruise has said that, as a Scientologist, he doesn't believe in psychiatric medicine.

Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever.  Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman.  And I want to see her do well.  And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.

Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?

Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this.  Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs.  Do you know what Aderol is?  Do you know Ritalin?  Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug?  Do you understand that?

Lauer: The difference is —

Cruise: No, no, Matt.

Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.

Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —

Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.

Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.

Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

Cruise: No, you see.  Here's the problem.  You don't know the history of psychiatry.  I do.

Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt.  And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem.  That's what it does.  That's all it does.  You're not getting to the reason why.  There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —

Cruise: No.  I did not say that.

Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?

Cruise: No.  No.  Abso— Matt, now you're talking about two different things.

Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem.  There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things...  I'm not saying that that isn't real.  That's not what I'm saying.  That's an alteration of what I'm saying.  I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs.  And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay.  And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry.  She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well.  But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.

   Cruise: No, no, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?

Cruise: I disagree with it.  And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life.  And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

Lauer: No.  You absolutely can.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:16pm

Quote:
Cruise: I know.  But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.

Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people?  That yes, there are abuses.  And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas.  Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin.  Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin?  Matt.

Lauer: I'm just saying.  But aren't there examples where it works?

Cruise: Matt.  Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib.  You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay?  That's what I've done.  Then you go and you say where's the medical test?  Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?

Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you.  Because clearly, you've done the homework.  And you know the subject.

Cruise: And you should. And you should do that also. Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really —

Lauer: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom.  And I'm not asking anyone else to do it.  I'm simply saying, I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.

Cruise: But you're saying this is a very important issue.

Lauer: I couldn't agree more.

Cruise: It's very — and you know what?  You're here on the "Today" show.

Lauer: Right.

Cruise: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.

Lauer: But —

Cruise: Because you communicate to people.

Lauer: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.

Cruise: What do you mean by that?

Lauer: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know.  I'm telling you, I’ve lived with these people and they're better.

Cruise: So, you're advocating it.

Lauer: I am not.  I'm telling you in their case, in their individual case, it worked.  I am not gonna go out and say, "Get your kids on Ritalin.  It's the cure-all and the end-all."

Cruise: Matt, but here's the point.  What is the ideal scene for life? Okay. The ideal scene is someone not having to take antipsychotic drugs.

Lauer: I would agree.

Cruise: Okay.  So, now you look at a departure from that ideal scene, is someone taking drugs, okay.  And then you go, okay.  What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?

Lauer: Let me take this more general, because I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile.  And I respect your opinion. Do you want more people to understand Scientology?  Would that be a goal of yours?

Cruise: You know what?  Absolutely.  Of course, you know.  

Lauer: How do you go about that?

Cruise: You just communicate about it.  And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's okay, if I want to know something, I go and find out.  Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand.  I'll say, you know what?  I'm not so sure about that.  I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have.

Lauer: You're so passionate about it.

Cruise: I'm passionate about learning.  I'm passionate about life, Matt.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Frank_W on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:21pm
Retarded little non-talent midget ass-clown turd-burgling pole-smoking cult-shilling vapid empty-headed "beard"-sporting sh!thead, who behaves like a cross between a crack-addled spider-monkey and a towel-flicking college locker-room jock. His star is falling fast, and his murderous, felonious cult is an anchor around his worthless neck.

Other than that, I really like the guy and I'd be most interested in his supremely enlightened point of view.  >:(

(But wait! Let me tell you how I REALLY feel!)  [smiley=laugh.gif]

And hey: Wake up, people!! He's NOT a great actor!! He can't act his way out of a wet paper sack! He's ruined every movie he's been in, with the possible exception of, "The Firm."

In every single movie, he's more stilted and unbelievable than Keanu Reeves! "Interview With The Vampire," anyone? ANYONE? Pfffffft....
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:25pm
Yep - Cruise could definitely benefit from a little Lithium therapy.... That whole Oprah's couch thing really freaked me out!  I think he must be in his manic phase.

Kris
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:30pm
I hear you, Frank.

In fact, in the movie "Collateral" I think he was at his stilted best.

I wonder about Katie ... does she have any idea what she's getting into?  Or is she just as wierd as he is?

Kris
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Redd715 on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:31pm
And when he dies of pshincteral cancer from being such a tight assed twit, all his pleadings will get him so far into the gates of *heaven* as the camel threw the eye of a needle.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by pattik on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:42pm
I like Tom Cruise, so sue me.  And although he may not be going about his proselytizing in an effective way, some of L. Ron Hubbard's ideas that he put forth in his Dianetics writings are at least thought provoking.  You might want to do some reading before you do a book burning. :-/
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Frank_W on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:45pm
"Why Are They Dead, Scientology?"
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

Remember Lisa McPherson memorial page. (Murdered by Scientology) http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:50pm
No book burning intended here.  My only thought in starting this thread was that many of of meds used to treat clusters are the meds this guy tends to abhor.

I realize he's talking in psychiatric terms, but he obviously isnt't fully knowledgeable about what other good these meds might do for people with other syndromes.

Can't speak to psychiatric use of these drugs, because I've never needed them   I just know how some of them help our fellow cluster sufferers.  And, I also tend to think that Tom Cruise is talking out of his ass!  He speaks like an expert, but really "knows" nothing about which he speaks.

Sorrry .... my opinion only!

Kris
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by pattik on Jun 27th, 2005, 10:07pm

on 06/27/05 at 21:50:30, Kris_in_SJ wrote:
I realize he's talking in psychiatric terms, but he obviously isnt't fully knowledgeable about what other good these meds might do for people with other syndromes.

Well, if clusters turn out to be about extra grey matter, which makes this a physiological thing, it's not quite the same as anti-psychotic drugs to fix a non-existant chemical inbalance.

There are a lot of psychiatrists who think that the American public is over-medicated, including kids. Medications for the brain are very powerful and potentially very dangerous.  I think prescription drugs are best used for serious intervention of serious conditions or trauma.  I happen to believe that the human body can heal itself if the problem isn't physiological to begin with.  I don't know all that much about Scientology, but I do have a strong notion of our minds' power to make us sick.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by vig on Jun 27th, 2005, 10:10pm
"There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance."

He called Ritalin "a street drug."

not his finest moment....


anyway, Top Gun was good, Risky Business was good...
RainMan was good... Minority Report was ok...
but Cocktail?
the Last Samurai?
Eyes Wide Shut?
Magnolia?
He also claims Scientology 'cured' his dyslexia....

The Church of Scatology and Diuretics...
(Religion is all well and good, but this one wants your money)
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by ckelly181 on Jun 27th, 2005, 10:33pm

on 06/27/05 at 21:42:09, pattik wrote:
some of L. Ron Hubbard's ideas that he put forth in his Dianetics writings are at least thought provoking.  You might want to do some reading before you do a book burning. :-/


Well, psychiatric drugs kept me alive. Here's another site which I've read at length...LRH is a freaking moron. Know why he started this "religion?" His quote, "want to make money? Start a religion."

http://www.xenu.net/index.html

Here's some more - actual quotes from the mighty dick.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/5.htm

Chris
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by stevegeebe on Jun 27th, 2005, 10:41pm
"Get this bucket moving Race!"
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Karla on Jun 28th, 2005, 12:01am
I love Tom Cruise and think he is an excellent actor.  I have seen all his movies.  However, I think his religion leaves a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kirk on Jun 28th, 2005, 12:16am
Well for a guy who thinks his soul resided in a Clam until he was born. He seems pretty level headed and articulate to me  [smiley=crackup.gif]

YMMV  [smiley=smokin.gif]
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by purpleydog on Jun 28th, 2005, 12:44am

on 06/28/05 at 00:01:19, Karla wrote:
 However, I think his religion leaves a lot to be desired.


What does this mean?
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by nani on Jun 28th, 2005, 1:10am
I don't know a thing about Scientology, so I can't comment there. I think he's a good (not really great) actor. Something that's always bothered me though:
You always here about how "nice", "sweet", "genuine" and "sincere" he is....
Am I the only one who thinks he treats women like crap? He left Mimi Rogers for Nicole. Left Nicole for Penelope...then hooks up with a girl half his age. WTF is up with that? I know, in many ways it's typical Hollywood behavior...but he's supposed to be so "different". Hmmm.....http://bestsmileys.com/thinking/4.gif
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jun 28th, 2005, 6:10am
I find it odd that in this day in age, people still do not believe in chemical imbalances.

CH turning out to be physiological?  So's psychiatry.

Damn that pisses me off.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Jimmy_B on Jun 28th, 2005, 7:33am
One thing that really burns my skivies...is someone who throws their "Rules to Live By" in my direction. I'm all for some good advice. But don't condemn me because I still do what I think is right for me and my family. The guy's got every right in the world to not want to take mind-altering meds. That's why we have freewill. Hell, I was told by a few Research Scientists that S.S.R.I.'s are basically pharmacological brain surgery. But just because he chooses to use non-medicinal ways to cope he should not put down someone else who takes and has obviously improved from medication for their problems...(ala Brooke Shields).

I still believe all this Tom Cruise nonsense is just free publicity that's he's taking to the bank.

Just my take and  [smiley=twocents.gif]

Jimmy
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 28th, 2005, 12:43pm
TC is a dick.
He speaks as if he knows what he's talking about but if you notice in the quoted Lauer segment, the best he can do is insinuate that he knows by asking questions and never answering anything directly.
The usual "Matt, do you know?? Do you understand what..." insinuating that HE knows the answers to what he's asking. He knows dick about what he speaks. He is using this opportunity to recruit new mindless lost souls into the cult, nothing more, nothing less. He's moved on to K. Holmes because so far, she's buying his crap. If she wises up like the rest, he'll move on to a 15 year old.
I followed some message boards where the  Scientologistists were looking at 911 as an opportunity to spread their crap to the people of NY. They flocked to the big apple so they could "counsel" the survivors. It was a sickening feeding frenzy. What others saw as a heartbreaking tragedy, Scientologistists saw as an opportunity.

For those of you that see him as some great actor, feel free to see his movies and support his cult. His Scientologistist act is worse than his other roles because he's writing his own scripts.
But before doing so, please check out the links that Frank posted.

20 years from now he and Travolta will be locked in a room at the top of the space needle, watching their fingernails grow like Howard Hughes and waiting for the mother ship.

Bobw
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Margi on Jun 28th, 2005, 1:17pm
hear, hear, Pink.  Totally agree.  (hope you didn't fall off your chair).
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by TomM on Jun 28th, 2005, 1:33pm

on 06/27/05 at 21:31:48, Redd715 wrote:
And when he dies of pshincteral cancer from being such a tight assed twit, all his pleadings will get him so far into the gates of *heaven* as the camel threw the eye of a needle.
Deep. That is deep.
I agree that Tom Crusie is not a great actor. He is good but not great. Every character is the same in every movie. [IMHO] His best work was Top Gun and A Few Good Men. Again, IMHO.
Scientology will go by way of the dildo. Oh my, a fruedian slip but rather appropriate. Like the aforementioned apparatus, it will f*ck you but in the end still be a lifeless piece plastic and rubber.
TomM
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Linda_Howell on Jun 28th, 2005, 2:50pm



    But he's so cute!!!!!!!!!!!



off to the corner I go....Luinda
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Jonny on Jun 28th, 2005, 7:15pm
Tom Cruise XBox controller

http://content2.i-am-bored.com/games/32862_tomcruisexbox.jpg
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 29th, 2005, 9:51am
So much of what gets played out in the media is having to watch celebrities becoming aware of things that EVERYONE becomes aware of at certain points in their life. Watching Russell Crowe go on about how becoming a father is an imcomparable event, and that missing his family and not being able to reach them leads him to go to the lobby and throw a phone at somebody. Or watching Madonna, go on about how having her children has made her more aware of the fact that some of her earlier efforts were a little over the line. And then this Tom Cruise thing. It is so fucking self-absorbed -- as though they are tapping into some resource of life knowledge that we all don't get to drink from. Or watching some stupid drug addled "star" go on about how getting off drugs was a real eye opener and helped them realize how important life was -- fuck off! People get off drugs and drink everyday, quietly acknowledging the same thing in programs that are supposed to be designed to attract others, not promote. I could rave on for 6 pages on this subject.

As for Tom Cruise, i'm looking forward to his next operating system to be installed. The one he just had put in seems a little buggy!
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by clarence on Jun 29th, 2005, 10:06am

on 06/27/05 at 21:21:45, Frank_W wrote:
Retarded little non-talent midget ass-clown turd-burgling pole-smoking cult-shilling vapid empty-headed "beard"-sporting sh!thead, who behaves like a cross between a crack-addled spider-monkey and a towel-flicking college locker-room jock. His star is falling fast, and his murderous, felonious cult is an anchor around his worthless neck.

Other than that, I really like the guy and I'd be most interested in his supremely enlightened point of view.  >:(

(But wait! Let me tell you how I REALLY feel!)  [smiley=laugh.gif]

And hey: Wake up, people!! He's NOT a great actor!! He can't act his way out of a wet paper sack! He's ruined every movie he's been in, with the possible exception of, "The Firm."

In every single movie, he's more stilted and unbelievable than Keanu Reeves! "Interview With The Vampire," anyone? ANYONE? Pfffffft....


Frank, Once again your way with words astounds me in that you are able to effectively communicate exactly how I feel.  Thank you.

Casey
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by clarence on Jun 29th, 2005, 10:20am
There is a "Church of Scientology" about half a block from where I live on the busiest street in Toronto.  They are always out there asking if I want a free stress test.  Their way of prostyletizing I suppose.  Doesn't really bother me.  I am always respectful when I decline their offers.

Then, one day, the dude grabs my shoulder when I say no, and asks me why I am in such a hurry.  Good thing I just kept walking, because I was going to slug the guy.  That dude has no right to touch me.

Anyway, my CH I believe is psysiological, which has led to some serious psychological problems.  Specifically, I have taken medication for depression since my late teens.  CH aggrivates my depression, as, it takes away hope.  I come tot he point where I believe that the pain will not end.  My depression, according to the prescribing doctor, is caused by a chemical imbalance.  Without the meds, quite simply, I would have killed myself a long time ago.  So, Tom Cruise can bite me.

Casey

edited to say - While pragmatism is not the best standard by which to hold something - ie, Well, it works for people so let's prescribe it - In the instance of anti-depressent drugs, there is science behind it.  While Tom Cruise claims to know about this stuff, someone should remind him that he is not a Scientist, he is a Scientologist.  Two very different things.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Melissa on Jun 29th, 2005, 10:25am
Basically, I think your perception of life is what you make of it.  You can feel great about yourself not being on any script meds, and doing things naturally, but I tell you this...  When I lost my baby last week, it didn't hit me at first, but then everything just fell apart on me.  I was losing it, constantly feeling like I had to pass out or throw up and having anxiety and panic attacks left and right.  It got so bad that I'd wake up with that tight fist in my chest and it wouldn't go away AT ALL throughout the day and only get worse.  My choice, since I DO have one, was to reach for one of the 7 quick acting xanax pills I had left over from a YEAR ago, and gulped one down.  I just can't live in constant fear that something bad is going to happen, I can't let my own voice destroy what sanity I have left and let my devistating experience swallow me whole.  Why should I live in reality, when all it is doing is making me flip out?  Fuck it, I don't want to live that way and this morning, I called up my doc and told him that yes, I need to get back on my meds, or else I'm afraid I'll never come back from that awful place and feeling that I've lost myself. :(  So you know what?  I am not going to listen to some actor, who doesn't even LIVE a normal life, tell me what is, or isn't normal.  Our lives and how we perceive them, is what we make of it.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Do what you have to do to be happy.  As long as you're not letting it ruin your life, or anyone elses.

my  [smiley=twocents.gif]
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Margi on Jun 29th, 2005, 10:36am
Mel, I would defend to the DEATH of anyone who disagreed, your right to make that choice!

Big tight hugs and love,
Margi
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by LeLimey on Jun 29th, 2005, 10:40am
[smiley=hug.gif] You'll make it Mel, you have the courage to look into yourself and fix what needs fixing. I don't believe anyone could get through such a devastating experience without some help. I know I didn't. It bugs the shit out of me to think of the harm he has done to millions and millions of people by further stigmatizing meds. How many people won't get the help they need because of him and his pathetic stupid ideas? Doesn't bear thinking about.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by vig on Jun 29th, 2005, 10:40am
Don't forget we can all vote with our dollars.

skip War of the Worlds...
Listen to the Orson Wells version....
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by ghost62 on Jun 29th, 2005, 10:44am
here is a stress test for Tom and his buddies

http://richstevens.thinkfulsolutions.com/unreal.swf

;;D ;;D ;;D
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by ckelly181 on Jun 29th, 2005, 1:42pm

on 06/29/05 at 10:20:54, clarence wrote:
There is a "Church of Scientology" about half a block from where I live on the busiest street in Toronto.  They are always out there asking if I want a free stress test.  Their way of prostyletizing I suppose.


This is an interesting read on that ol' stress test:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/

Chris
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Charlie on Jun 29th, 2005, 3:12pm

Quote:
I am always respectful when I decline their offers.

Not I. I direspect everything about Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard was wacked but the greedy schitheads who hook people into the thing are worthy of nothing but contempt.

Some years ago the Germans tried or maybe actually got them out of Germany. Good for them this time. It has nothing to do with religion. It has sort of a Jonestown flavor to it.

Charlie
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by ghost62 on Jun 29th, 2005, 3:56pm
My voices say to hurt them whenever possable. they are not good and need to experience real pain ... often  ;;D ;;D ;;D
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jun 29th, 2005, 8:18pm

Quote:
A state from the Am. Psychiatric Asso.


The American Psychiatric Association on Monday sharply criticized actor Tom Cruise for declarations about psychiatry and antidepressant drugs during last Friday's on-air confrontation with Today host Matt Lauer while promoting the movie War of the Worlds, Reuters reports.

After calling psychiatry a "pseudo-science," Cruise went on to tell Lauer: "Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do. There's no such thing as a chemical imbalance. ... You don't even know what Ritalin is. ... You should be a bit more responsible in knowing what it is because you communicate to people."

The testy exchange happened after Lauer asked Cruise about his criticism of Brooke Shields, who praised medication and psychotherapy for helping her battle postpartum depression.

Cruise also labeled Ritalin, which is used to treat children for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, a "street drug."

On behalf of the 36,000-physician-strong APA, the group's president, Dr. Steven Sharfstein, said in a statement: "It is irresponsible for Mr. Cruise to use his movie publicity tour to promote his own ideological views and deter people with mental illness from getting the care they need."

The rebuke from the APA went on to challenge Cruise's assertion that psychiatry lacks scientific merit.

"Rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research clearly demonstrates that treatment (of mental illness) works," the APA statement said. "It is unfortunate that in the face of this remarkable scientific and clinical progress that a small number of individuals and groups persist in questioning its legitimacy."
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kris_in_SJ on Jun 29th, 2005, 8:54pm
The whole Tom Cruise Scientology thing makes me think of the whole Cat Stevens thing of many years ago.

Man ... I used to love that guy's music.  Then he went all weird and moved to the Middle East.  Maybe Tom will too!

Personally, I'm with Paul - no more Tom Cruise movies for me.  I'm officially on strike.

Kris
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by BobG on Jun 29th, 2005, 9:08pm
Who's Tom Cruise?
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kevin_M on Jun 29th, 2005, 9:45pm


Now, I wish I worked for MAD magazine.  This is a "stop the presses" special double issue.    ;)



Kevin M
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Jimmy_B on Jun 30th, 2005, 11:48am
Regarding Laffeyette Ronald Hubbard...the Smoking Gun has found these FBI documents sent by the nutjob.

I particularly like the part about Migraines "Dianeitics(sic) can succesfully treat all psychsomatic illnesses including eye trouble, bursitis, ulcers, some heart difficulties, migraine headaches, and the common cold."

enjoy

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0624051hubbard1.html
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jun 30th, 2005, 1:03pm
Hehehehehe

I like this one...
"told agents in a May 1951 letter about being attacked in his crib. After being knocked out by the intruder(s), the science fiction author claimed, a needle was "thrust into his heart to produce a coronary thrombosis and he was given an electric shock."

And the part about his crap being labled as psuedo-science. Funny how these terms end up getting turned around.

I'm sure that if K.Holmes saw the FBI file about the crib assault, she'd say, "Oh my gosh, that poor baby" LOL

All very funny and sad at the same time.

Bobw
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Tiannia on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:07pm
I am staying out of this because I could really go off....  Everything I say below is me staygin out of it because I dont even want to get into all of the crap that I want to get into/

Guess I never realized that I spent 5 years of my life in College learning a pseudo science.  I guess the schizophrenics that I worked with could have all been helped better by joining the Church of Schientolgy.  The fact that I worked hand and hand wit thier psychiatrists to keep them off medications that they did not need. To get them on the minimal amount that they could function in society.  Or the fact that I have seen clients go without medication and have to fight the "deamons" that they have in tehir heads and that had to learn that when they reached the point of suicide they where the most rational, becaus ethey understaood that it was a consequence that could relieve the pain that they where in.  Do any of you have any idea how hard it is to talk a person into staying alive to live with the delusions?  That I "helped" them by making them go back into the hell that is their mind?

I personally have read into Scientology. I read into most religions.  including Satanism because I wanted to understand what they believe.  So that if I was counseling one I could understand where their point of view is from rather then attempting to force my point of view on them.  That is the sign of a good counselor.  

Scientolgy is very skewed in its view of the world.  As they will not allow anyone from the strees to go to one of their services.  You have to initiate into them.  This is extremel,y difficult for anyone that wants to learn more about it first.  People will tell you how great it is and that they went into the church and spent a week cleansing their body.  That they purified teir body and soul. That they where purged of all of the chemicals that where forced into their bodies over the years.  It is funny that they do not believe that there is any need for medicinal community as a whole.  They ever recomend that children do not get immunizations.  That your kids shuld be put into privatly run schools for scientologiest and then they would not need to be protected from diseases that are harming them more withthe vacines.  

What I find funny is how many everyday people can actually afford to follow this belief?  I could not afford to put my kids into a private school run by the church.  Let alone taking the time off work and everything to sit at the church for the cleansing.

Clarance- You would have laughed at me.  I had a Jehovah Witness come to my apartment in college and ask to talk to me. I told him to come back in an hour.  I went to the store and got some dry ice and other stuff.  When he came back I had pulled out all my books on satanism and put them on the coffee table.  Had gotten my cauldron out and put the dry ice in it and put it on the counter.  Had Red and Black candles lit everywhere.  He came in and sat on the couch and I asked him if he wanted something to drink.  In the time I got him a glass of water, he had bolted out the door. Never to knock again.  It was fun as hell.  [smiley=sgrin.gif]
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Frank_W on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:14pm

on 06/30/05 at 15:07:22, Tiannia wrote:
Clarance- You would have laughed at me.  I had a Jehovah Witness come to my apartment in college and ask to talk to me. I told him to come back in an hour.  I went to the store and got some dry ice and other stuff.  When he came back I had pulled out all my books on satanism and put them on the coffee table.  Had gotten my cauldron out and put the dry ice in it and put it on the counter.  Had Red and Black candles lit everywhere.  He came in and sat on the couch and I asked him if he wanted something to drink.  In the time I got him a glass of water, he had bolted out the door. Never to knock again.  It was fun as hell. [smiley=sgrin.gif]


LMMFAO!!!!
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:20pm
Why would I care what Tom Cruise thinks about anything.  The only thing he is and expert on, is the practice of memorizing lines and repeating them in a somewhat dramatic fashion in front of a camera.  Outside of that, the guy has zero worth to me.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Charlie on Jun 30th, 2005, 11:58pm
I finally remembered the movie....."Taps." It's the first time I ever heard of Tom Cruise. He played a wacked cadet at a military school. Not much of a film and not at all the Tom Cruise so many women think of.

Just something this thead got me to thinkin' about

Charlie
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Frank_W on Jul 1st, 2005, 7:28am
"Eyes Wide Shut" was another giant Tom-turd.

Compare Tom Cruise to Sir Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Al Pacino, or even Keanu Reeves in "The Gift," and you get a real picture of just how horrid he is as an actor.  ::)
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Major_Headcase on Jul 1st, 2005, 1:14pm
"Don't know much about his-story; don't know much 'bout Scientology ..."

However, I do think Cruise is full of crap on this topic, definitely 404!

As an actor, mostly so-so ... but I am still impressed by his work in "Born on the Fourth of July" and to a lesser extent "Far and Away"
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Charlie on Jul 2nd, 2005, 1:38am

Quote:
"Eyes Wide Shut" was another giant Tom-turd.

Ueli liked it, I think. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/projector.gif I would have too if it weren't so fucking overdone. Kubrick took an interesting thing and beat it to death. Way too much work done on this. The filming overtook the story.

Charlie
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by pattik on Jul 2nd, 2005, 9:58am

on 06/27/05 at 22:10:22, vig wrote:
He called Ritalin "a street drug."

not his finest moment....


From a NIDA research report:

Quote:
For example, the use of methylphenidate (Ritalin) among high school seniors increased from an annual prevalence (use of the drug within the preceding year) of 0.1 percent in 1992 to an annual prevalence of 2.8 percent in 1997 before reaching a plateau.


http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Prescription/prescription5.html#Adolescents
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by clarence on Jul 2nd, 2005, 10:44am

on 06/30/05 at 15:07:22, Tiannia wrote:
Clarance- You would have laughed at me.  I had a Jehovah Witness come to my apartment in college and ask to talk to me. I told him to come back in an hour.  I went to the store and got some dry ice and other stuff.  When he came back I had pulled out all my books on satanism and put them on the coffee table.  Had gotten my cauldron out and put the dry ice in it and put it on the counter.  Had Red and Black candles lit everywhere.  He came in and sat on the couch and I asked him if he wanted something to drink.  In the time I got him a glass of water, he had bolted out the door. Never to knock again.  It was fun as hell.  [smiley=sgrin.gif]


That is pretty damn good.

The most I have done is pull out the Greek New Testament and showed them where their translation of the Greek is misinformed and incorrect.

Your method Tia sounds much more fun.

Casey
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jul 2nd, 2005, 4:06pm

on 07/02/05 at 09:58:36, pattik wrote:
From a NIDA research report:

http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Prescription/prescription5.html#Adolescents



The point is not the use of ritalin as a street drug.  The implication is that the ONLY use of ritalin (methylphenidate) is for recreational/street use.

I know I can speak for personal experience that if I wasn't put on Concerta a couple years ago, then I would have dropped out of college.  I have a lot of memory problems now anyways, but without concerta, I was getting all out 0's on exams.  That's pretty damn hard to do!

To put a meaning on it for me...  I went from a train wreck period from pre-concerta days.  I graduated Penn State with high honors and a 3.83 GPA.  I just graduated with my 2nd bachelor's degree from Thomas Jefferson University with a 3.53 - cum laude.

It's not that I'm dumb or lazy - it's not something I can control.  And I would have dropped off the map if I hadn't been put on the Concerta.

Street use of oxycontin is at an all-time high, too.  Guess we should take that away from everyone who has an acute or chronic pain condition.  People should never be allowed oxy because it is also abused on the street.

That's about as much sense as that makes for me.

>:(
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by LeLimey on Jul 2nd, 2005, 4:26pm
Well.. I might think Tom Cruise is a euphemism for an arsehole but.. the little CHit is winning!
Rightly or wrongly and love him or loathe him (like me!) .. we are all talking about him. And spelling his name right.
Damn.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Melissa on Jul 2nd, 2005, 5:13pm
Carrie, arn't you ever worried about burn out?
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jul 2nd, 2005, 6:26pm

on 07/02/05 at 17:13:19, Melissa wrote:
Carrie, arn't you ever worried about burn out?


Haha not so much anymore...  I hit the burn out melt down mode when I was still in high school due to a rather rediculous, sudden onslaught of stress in about 2.5 years time.

I still pushed myself a lot in the beginning - but once I started landing in the hospital, I slowed things down quite a bit.  I quit every extracurricular activity I was involved in except for the choir I was in, which I needed for my program.

Right now -- just focusing on the new job and preparing for boards.  I take the boards on the 25th.  Work will be busy, but it is much nicer now that I'm out of school!  I hope to move closer to the city next month because the commute does wear me out a great deal.

I start grad school this fall, but it's just one class at a time - and most of them are online.  :)  I still like to stay busy, but it's school more than anything else that really zaps the life out of me.  I want to do well, but it's a challenge to get past all the other crap that stands in the way.

Burn out - we'll see!!

Hugz to you,
Carrie :)
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by BobG on Jul 2nd, 2005, 7:32pm

on 07/02/05 at 16:26:55, LeLimey wrote:
Rightly or wrongly and love him or loathe him (like me!) .. we are all talking about him. And spelling his name right.
Damn.

Bingo! There are probably thousands of idiots that will be pissed off enough to keep bitchin' about what meathead Tom is that the controversy will keep going. And those idiots will pay good money to go to his movies just so they can yell at his image on the screen.
This is one of his better public relation stunts.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Lizzie2 on Jul 2nd, 2005, 7:44pm
LOL  My grandfather said he will never watch another one of his movies again.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by alchemy on Jul 3rd, 2005, 8:53am
he has read the history of psychiatry doesn't believe in it but will use a term like antipsychotic drug which is a psychiatric term conflict of interest i'd say.
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Charlie on Jul 3rd, 2005, 1:04pm
The question is: Why is this considered news? We're all guilty of it. Look at this thread.

Damn Scientology gets too much press as it is.

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/mouth gun.gif
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Pinkfloyd on Jul 3rd, 2005, 3:12pm

on 07/03/05 at 13:04:21, Charlie wrote:
The question is: Why is this considered news?
Damn Scientology gets too much press as it is.


Yeah, I suppose we should just let them get in line at the bus stops behind the pimps and porn producers and take their fair share of stupid kids without any interference.  :(

Personally the only report I ever would care to hear from Tom Croooze (as in oooze) is a report of how he spent a month in a cell with Charles Manson, with Tom's hands tied behind his back, trying to talk Charlie into sanity. I HAVE a dream!!

Bobw
"Every normal person must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the Black Flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H L Mencken
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by clarence on Jul 3rd, 2005, 4:15pm

on 07/03/05 at 13:04:21, Charlie wrote:
http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/mouth gun.gif



Charlie, I think that your smilie needs some anti-depressents.

Casey
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Kirk on Jul 3rd, 2005, 5:00pm
You guys will be laughing out of the other side of your mouths when Commander Xeno comes back.
You should appreciate Mr. Cruise. After all he knows the real cure for CH. [smiley=curtain.gif]
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Frank_W on Jul 3rd, 2005, 5:33pm
Oh no... I've broken out in a "clammy" sweat!!  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Donna_D. on Jul 4th, 2005, 8:37pm
http://www.alldumb.com/item/12389/


;;D


DD
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by BobG on Jul 4th, 2005, 9:22pm
Hey Donna,
Have you sent an invitation to Tom to speak at the OUCH-Dallas?
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Donna_D. on Jul 5th, 2005, 12:09am

on 07/04/05 at 21:22:58, BobG wrote:
Hey Donna,
Have you sent an invitation to Tom to speak at the OUCH-Dallas?



Yeah, Bob.  I did.  He declined.  

Said we use way too many meds and that he believed that it was "all in our heads"....

...he also said it would give him flashbacks to his ex, in that movie "The Others"


;)


DD
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by clarence on Jul 5th, 2005, 7:47am

on 07/04/05 at 20:37:39, Donna_D. wrote:
http://www.alldumb.com/item/12389/


;;D


DD


ROTFLMAO!!!!!  That was fan-freaking-tastic.

Casey
Title: Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
Post by Frank_W on Jul 5th, 2005, 7:51am

on 07/05/05 at 00:09:01, Donna_D. wrote:
Said we use way too many meds and that he believed that it was "all in our heads"....


Besides, then he'd have to kill us the way he killed poor Oprah.  ;;D


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