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(Message started by: Jonny on Jun 15^th, 2005, 8:07pm)

Title: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Jonny on Jun 15^th, 2005, 8:07pm

While sending out millions in fines to radio broadcasts for penis jokes the FCC is overlooking something.

And dont give me that shit "My kid aint up that late"...Everyones kid is up this late!

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/worstclips2.html

You rather your kid hear a penis joke or watch this?

Edit to add:...Im not asking to do anything...just what you think!

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by burnt-toast on Jun 15^th, 2005, 8:46pm

Jonny,

I really don't know what to think, it's disturbing to see stuff like this drilled into kids heads. Can't shield them from it but you can help them understand the it's not the way normal people act.

I'd take my daughter hearing the penis joke over her watching one episode of MTV Spring Break any day.

Tom

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by nani on Jun 16^th, 2005, 1:23am

[smiley=eek.gif]

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by sandie99 on Jun 16^th, 2005, 1:38am

Why I'm starting to think that if I'll ever have a child she or he won't be watching television...?

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by BobG on Jun 16^th, 2005, 5:47am

Since I'm at work right now I can't see the site Jonny posted. It must have dirty word in it.

Quote:

Re: Where are your tax $'s going?

Another question............Do you know where your taxes will soon not be going? Public Television! Yep, Congress wants to cut the budget to the only decent TV in America. They think the Reading Rainbow is a waste. I think it is much too intelligent for them and they don’t want to admit it. Bye-bye Sesame Street. You’ll have to teach your child to count yourself. Bye-bye to the ballet, opera, travel, history……………. :'(

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by notseinfeld on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:11am

Whoa---hold your horses there BobG! For the record it's unconstitutional for the gov't to seize money from people who earned and redistribute it to a pet cause (in this case a TV program) regardless of how wholesome it seems or how many votes it may garner.
If the television show is one that people value it will do just fine without the confiscated money to support it. Ditto for all the starving artists.

Congress may or may not think the Reading Rainbow is deserved of the ax but simply b/c the gov't doesn't prop it up does not mean it will vanish.

Quote:

You’ll have to teach your child to count yourself

Oh, the horror!

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:18am

on 06/16/05 at 09:11:51, notseinfeld wrote:

For the record it's unconstitutional for the gov't to seize money from people who earned and redistribute it to a pet cause...regardless of how wholesome it seems or how many votes it may garner.

Or maybe the defense industry
the oil industry
professional sports teams
the pharmaceutical industry

how far you wanna go with that point notseinfeld....?

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by notseinfeld on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:47am

Glad ya brought it up Boomer and yes, let's drop the ax on all of it. I'll throw in public education (socialist indoctrination, metal scanners) the FAA, EPA, most all Cabinet positions which are formations of yet more layers of control and corruption. Basically, if it's not in the Constitution it should not be.

There is nothing, not one thing or service the gov't, ahem, provides, that a free market solution does not or would not do more efficiently, and inexpensively. This lemming mentality of complete wussification (new word) of our citizens looking to the nanny state for every little aspect of life results is KILLING this country. Take care of children, retirement, health care, blah blah....

Point in case: Some Mass. Congressman(D) stated yesterday that there should be an oversight committee governing amusement parks around the country and the reason there isn't one is because of a 'legal loophole'. What? Are you f'n kidding me? The only reason that gov't doesn't control any aspect of society is because of a loophole?

This is so typical of 21st century America. Millions of people go to an amusement park and ride a ride. A few people throw up. That happens with roller coasters around the country. One small child dies after the ride. Medical experts say that the death could not be blamed on the ride ... and here comes some jackass calling for standardization of amusement park rides. That, of course, means federal standardization. Another job for government. What does this man envision? Some sort of federal agency, perhaps under the Department of Homeland Security, that will pass on all plans for rides in amusement parks across America?

There's a free market solution here. But those who love government don't like free market solutions. The free market solution is insurance. Theme and amusement parks buy insurance policies. The insurance companies who write those policies spend millions on testing and experts to make sure that the rides they insure are safe. This free market solution works .. and it works without the participation or involvement of some federal agency that sets standards for amusement park rides.

Day after day .. in virtually every community around the nation ... you will find someone calling for yet more federal control of some aspect of our lives ... whether it's amusement park rides, your health care, or what kind of label they have to put on your underwear.

Thanks for pressing my buttons so damned early SeasonalBoomer---I'm gonna getcha!! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by thomas on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:57am

on 06/16/05 at 09:47:34, notseinfeld wrote:

It is such a pleasure to occasionally read a post by some one with the ability to think for themselves and who actually believes that we should still be empowered over the gov't instead of it being the other way around. Thanks for letting me know I am not alone.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 16^th, 2005, 9:59am

I actually agree with you, if it was a perfect world, free of corruption and pitiless greed. Everytime I think someone like you has summarized the whole thing perfectly, I realize it is all so fucked up it can't be fixed. And it can't. so what do you do -- you become a, or you a hire a lobbiest, so at least the shit you care about get's to keep a post at the trough. If you can't be a lobbiest, or hire one, well be ready to have your wealth redistributed, spend what you can to enjoy life and realize that the average life span and actuarial tables should mean something to others than the insurance companies.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Frank_W on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:14am

Well spoken, NotSeinfeld.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by burnt-toast on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:17am

Its a little speachy but this is a letter of mine published in a local newspaper this morning. (My little attempt to get folks in PA off their asses and actively involved in what is going on).

We Are Not Indentured Servants

Add all of your taxes from last year. You will find the average family pays nearly 60% their income to payroll, income – (Federal/State/Local), sales, property, school, gasoline, federal excise, and endless “hidden taxes” (phone, electric, gas, etc.). The sad fact is we spend more on taxes than food, clothes, health care, transportation, and housing combined.

How have representatives from either party helped lately?

·Higher gasoline, property, school, State income and hidden taxes
·Unrestrained government spending despite escalating debt financed by foreign nations
·Misuse of Social Security funds
·PA House Bill 51 that increases developer profits at taxpayer expense
·Tax subsidies to corporations moving jobs overseas despite unprecedented losses of meaningful U.S. jobs
·Representatives influenced by family vacations, gifts and contributions from special and foreign interests
·More “Free Trade” agreements despite 28 years of U.S. trade deficits and the fact that we remain the only nation without foreign-trade protection laws
·Phony Property Tax Relief that raises taxes, benefits legislators, subsidizes gambling infrastructure with tax dollars, prohibits background checks on casino owners and prohibits enforcement of local zoning and ordinances without providing meaningful tax relief.

The cost of government is oppressive and financial transgressions widespread, but “The People” submissively pay the bill.

Government control, arrogance and corruption are alarming, but “The People” obediently elect party candidates - repeating meaningless campaign promises.

Politics does not excuse politicians, special and foreign interests stuffing their pockets at taxpayer expense.

Replace your apathy with relentless determination to achieve positive government reforms.

Replace self-serving politicians with representatives that refuse to sell out to special, foreign, party, and personal interests and hold them accountable for transgressions.

Replace “Free Trade” agreements with “Fair Trade” laws to end decades of U.S. trade deficits and job loss.

Replace oppressive taxes with financial accountability at all levels of government. This will encourage economic growth and personal savings.

Politicians from both parties have forgotten whom they work for. “The People” are not indentured servants of “The Government”. Why accept this?

Tom

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Kirk on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:32am

Damn, now I know why I don't watch much TV. I'd complain to my congressman, but he was probably in one of those clips.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by thomas on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:32am

The solution is simple, about 90% of office holding politicians have proven themselves to be enemies of the constitution, as well as several sitting federal judges. Try them as such and elect new ones, regular people not politicians. It is time to dump tea in Boston harbor again folks. Wake up!

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:39am

Vive le revolution

At the end of the day you're another day older
And that's all you can say for the life of the poor
It's a struggle, it's a war
And there's nothing that anyone's giving
One more day, standing about, what is it for?
One day less to be living.
At the end of the day you're another day colder
And the shirt on your back doesn't keep out the chill
And the righteous hurry past
They don't hear the little ones crying
And the winder is coming on fast, ready to kill
One day nearer to dying!
At the end of the day there's another day dawning
And the sun in the morning is waiting to rise
Like the waves crash on the sand
Like a storm that'll break any second
There's a hunger in the land
There's a reckoning still to be reckoned
And there's gonna be hell to pay
At the end of the day!

At the end of the day you get nothing for nothing
Sitting flat on your butt doesn't buy any bread

There are children back at home
And the children have got to be fed
And you're lucky to be in a job
And in a bed!
And we're counting our blessings!

At the end of the day it's another day over
With enough in your pocket to last for a week
Pay the landlord pay the shop
Keep on grafting as long as you're able
Keep on grafting till you drop
Or it's back to the crumbs on the table
You've got to pay your way
At the end of the day!

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Frank_W on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:55am

on 06/16/05 at 10:32:05, thomas wrote:

Fukeneh. Will it be the Earl Grey or Chamomile?

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by notseinfeld on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:58am

Nahright guys you're giving me a woody! There's always 'Live Free or Die' where the freestateproject.org folks moved to attempt to attain at least a moticum of representation.

There is only 1 representative in Congress and not one in the Senate who actually adheres to the country's principles and that's Ron Paul from Texas. He's been dubbed 'Mr. Liberty' and the other members roll their eyes when he points out how virtually every pork-laden bill is unconstitutional. Whenever you see 434-to-1 votes on the floor he's usually that one.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Frank_W on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:01am

Please tell me he's running for the presidency!!

A few simple guidelines that I try to live by:

1. Do all that you have agreed to do. (basis of contractual law)

2. Do not encroach on other persons or their property. (basis of criminal law)

3. Always take personal, individual responsibility for your actions. (basis of enlightened spiritual law, IMHO)

From these three simple principles, everything else falls neatly into place.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:03am

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echos the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!

Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Somewhere beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?

Then join in the fight
That will give you the right to be free!!

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echos the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!

Will you give all you can give
So that our banner may advance
Some will fall and some will live
Will you stand up and take your chance?
The blood of the martyrs
Will water the meadows of France!

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echos the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by JJA on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:12am

As long as we're off the subject, 2 weeks ago more than 500 economists including nobel prize winner, Milton Friedman asked for a debate on marijuana regulation. They estimate we could save 10-14 billion per year in the US(a conservative estimate). Maybe 14 billion might be worth paying if prohibition worked. ...just another constitutional oversight...
http://www.mpp.org/releases/nr20050602.html

Jesse

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:21am

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Some call it tampee
Some call it the weed
Some call it Marijuana
Some of them call it Ganja

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Singer smoke it
And players of instruments too
Legalize it, yeah, yeah
That's the best thing you can do
Doctors smoke it
Nurses smoke it
Judges smoke it
Even the lawyers too

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

It's good for the flu
It's good for asthma
Good for tuberculosis
Even umara composis

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Bird eat it
And they leave it
Fowls eat it
Goats love to play with it

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Frank_W on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:21am

Not to mention the amount of prison space, court docket time, etc. we could open up by releasing marijuana offenders.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by seasonalboomer on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:37am

Back to our regularly scheduled program - Les Miserables -- we join our friends the day before Le revolution....

One Day More

Valjean
One day more,
Another day, another destiny,
This never ending road to Calvary;
These men who seem to know my crime
Will surely come a second time,
One day more...

Marius
I did not live until today,
How can I live when we are parted?

Valjean
One day more...

Marius & Cosette
Tomorrow you'll be worlds away,
And yet with you, my world has started.

Eponine
One more day all on my own

Marius & Cosette
Will we ever meet again?

Eponine
One more day with him not caring

Marius & Cosette
I was born to be with you.

Eponine
What a life I might have known

Marius & Cosette
And I swear I will be true!

Eponine
But he never saw me there...

Enjolras Marius
One more day before the storm! Do I follow where she goes!
At the barricades of Freedom! Shall I join my brothers there!
When our ranks begin to form, Do I stay or do I dare?
Will you take your place with me?

All
The time is now
The place is here

Valjean
One day more!

Javert
One more day till revolution,
We will nip it in the bud!
I will join these little schoolboys,
They will wet themselves with blood!

Valjean
One day more!

M. & Mme. Thenardier
Watch'm run amuck,
Catch'm when they fall,
Never know your luck
When there's a free for all,
Here a little pinch,
There a little touch,
Most of them are goners
So they won't miss much!

Various Students
One day to a new beginning
Raise the flag of freedom high!
Every man will be a king
Every man will be a king
There's a new world for the winning
There's a new world to be won
Do you hear the people sing?

Marius
My place is here,
I fight with you!

Valjean
One day more!

Marius & Cosette Eponine
I did not live until today... One more day all on my own...
Tomorrow you'll be worlds away
And yet with you my world has started

Javert
I will join these people's heros
I will follow where they go
I will know their little secrets,
I will know the things they know.

Valjean
One day more!

M. & Mme. Thenardier
Watch 'em run amuck
Catch 'em as they fall
Never know your luck
When there's a free-for-all

Javert
One more day to revolution
We weill nip it in the bud
We'll be ready for these schoolboys
Tommorow is the judgement day

Valjean
Tomorrow we'll be far away,
Tomorrow is the judgement day

All
Tomorrow we'll discover
What our God in Heaven has in store!
One more dawn
One more day
One day more!

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by notseinfeld on Jun 16^th, 2005, 11:46am

As a supposedly 'free' person in the United States one has a Constitutional right (the only rights there are) to live as you deem fit in any manner provided it doesn't interfere with anyone else's right to do same. To wit, if one decided to inject heroine, smoke pot, or in any other way attain a mood enhancer it's no one's business but your own and is not punishable nor should an unconstitutional law be written to deny you this freedom.

50% of our jails are filled with non-violent drug users and they are typically installed to a cot where a violent offender would otherwise occupy. Now, which would rather have your wife pass while walking the streets? The pot smoker or friendly local rapist?

The need is not one for more prison space but less f*n laws that infringe on our rights. Someone pass the bong.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Leesa on Jun 16^th, 2005, 3:49pm

This is fucking nuts!!! No wonder I dont watch half the crap on TV any more. >:( I figure if I want to see T & A I have my own to look at. If I want penis thats why I have Dave!! Gesssshhhhhhhhhhhhh. :-X
Leesa >:(

PS: thanks for posting this Jonny, cuz as a parent I had no clue about this!! Now I do!!!

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Frank_W on Jun 16^th, 2005, 3:54pm

In our house, TV is for watching boxing, Sponge Bob, Court TV, or DVD's. That's it. That's all. If the damn Stupid Box blew up tomorrow, it wouldn't make more than the slightest ripple in our lives.

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by Charlie on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:40pm

Quote:

Basically, if it's not in the Constitution it should not be.

Things like "Under God,"
Pledge of Allegiance
"In God We Trust"
the FCC.
and Cenorship are not in the Constitution.

This stuff has little to do with TV. South Park is an exception of course but I've not seen these speciific episodes. It wouldn't surprise me though. Most of it is from horribly bad movies and pay channels and I guess there are some music award shows? It wouldn't surprise me if that a lot of these TV are things were cut and never broadcast.

Still, Bad taste has a right to be bad taste. I have more faith in kids. Joe Camel doesn't convince kids to take up smoking either.

Living in a country where the only Jackson family member who was censored is Janet, is an example of why censorship is dangerous. Censorship is an outrage.

Social compasion isn't in the Constitution either....and certainly not in large parts of this thread.

Charlie

Title: Re: Where are your tax $'s going?
Post by thebbz on Jun 16^th, 2005, 10:51pm

Wwwwhaaaaaaa!!! Red rocket, dog milk. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] I love Cartman. No wonder my kids are screwed up, it wasn't me at all. Boob tube comes to mind.
I use the off switch.
BB