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(Message started by: notseinfeld on May 25th, 2005, 6:52pm)
Title: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by notseinfeld on May 25th, 2005, 6:52pm
This will come as little surprise to most:

Minnesota boy wins National Geography Bee

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - A home-schooled seventh-grader from Minnesota has won the 17th annual National Geography Bee.

Thirteen-year-old Nathan Cornelius of Cottonwood was making his third straight trip to the national event.

He defeated nine other finalists during the final round, moderated by Alex Trebek, host of T-V's "Jeopardy."

Nathan outlasted 14-year-old Karan Takhar of Rhode Island in an eleven-question championship round. The deciding question was the name of the dammed river that forms artificial Lake Gatun (gah-TOON') in the Panama Canal system.

The answer -- the Chagres (CHAH'-gres) River.

Nathan wins a 25,000-dollar college scholarship and lifetime membership in National Geographic Society.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/11735427.htm
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Jonny on May 25th, 2005, 6:57pm
Who cares? ;;D
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by notseinfeld on May 25th, 2005, 7:00pm
Probably few but my pet project is to raise awareness of the pitiful state of, ahem, public education. Actually it's more of the horrific state of everything governmental and how private sector anything is always more efficient than wasted public projects.
Part and parcel of Libertarianism now firmly embedded in my skull.

Hey Jonny, when are you picking up a crypt cycle? Or a you the mysterious creator of said awesome bike?
cryptcycles.com
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Jonny on May 25th, 2005, 7:06pm

on 05/25/05 at 19:00:46, notseinfeld wrote:
Probably few but my pet project is to raise awareness of the pitiful state of, ahem, public education.  


I could not agree more on that, Man!
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Bethany1 on May 25th, 2005, 7:08pm
whatz wrong wit publik scool? I went to publik scool.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Lizzie2 on May 25th, 2005, 7:22pm
I think public school issues are state by state and sometimes even within a state, they are school by school.  I've been to public school my entire life, and I lived in 4 different states.  The one here (Downingtown) is one of the largest and toughest schools in the state.  Before they split into east and west, I graduated with 600 kids in my class, tied for valedictorian with a GPA of 4.6 with 13 total kids.  I'm not trying to brag with that, but I could have taken 5 AP classes my senior year, had I wanted - but that was too much.

The public schools can push you too hard, too.  I was in about 15 extra curricular activities, I never slept, I didn't really eat.  I finished with 2 levels of AP calculus under my belt, and thus would never have been required to take math in college until I needed stats to go to nursing school.

I took Spanish for about 6+ years and speak it fluently.  Finished that with AP level as well.  I took the first ever class of multicultural literature my senior year.

And if comparing it in one high school leaves you feeling skeptical, well I had a 4.0 my first semester at Penn State, and I graduated with high honors and a 3.83.

Graduated nursing school with a 3.53 and cum laude.

Sometimes it's the kid, sometimes it's the school, sometimes it's the parents - sometimes it's a combination of all of the above.

Public schools are not our downfall - it is more than just saying "fix the public school system" - we also need to fix the "family" system and other things!

My input,

Lizzie :)
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by maffumatt on May 25th, 2005, 8:00pm
I home schooled my daughter for a year and a half, to tell the truth the work that the program gave her to do was hard for me, she was doing work in 5th grade on the homeschool program that she is doing now in 8th in public school.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Charlie on May 25th, 2005, 8:28pm
I believe home schooling is fine as an add on. Mom and dad can keep things on track just fine but unless there is some crazed religious thing, the public experience is healthy.

New York schools are pretty damn good too.

Charlie
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Jonny on May 25th, 2005, 8:40pm

on 05/25/05 at 20:28:40, Charlie wrote:
New York schools are pretty damn good too.


The ones with the metal detectors? ;;D
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by notseinfeld on May 25th, 2005, 8:45pm
[quote]  The ones with the metal detectors? [/quote]

Nah--he's referring to the ones that hand out free condoms and don't write in red ink because it'll 'hurt their feelings.'  
:)


And good for you Maff on homeschooling your daughter!---it warms my heart to hear that, truly.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Dave0377 on May 25th, 2005, 9:31pm

on 05/25/05 at 19:22:14, Lizzie2 wrote:
I think public school issues are state by state and sometimes even within a state, they are school by school.  I've been to public school my entire life, and I lived in 4 different states.  The one here (Downingtown) is one of the largest and toughest schools in the state.  Before they split into east and west, I graduated with 600 kids in my class, tied for valedictorian with a GPA of 4.6 with 13 total kids.  I'm not trying to brag with that, but I could have taken 5 AP classes my senior year, had I wanted - but that was too much.

The public schools can push you too hard, too.  I was in about 15 extra curricular activities, I never slept, I didn't really eat.  I finished with 2 levels of AP calculus under my belt, and thus would never have been required to take math in college until I needed stats to go to nursing school.

I took Spanish for about 6+ years and speak it fluently.  Finished that with AP level as well.  I took the first ever class of multicultural literature my senior year.

And if comparing it in one high school leaves you feeling skeptical, well I had a 4.0 my first semester at Penn State, and I graduated with high honors and a 3.83.

Graduated nursing school with a 3.53 and cum laude.

Sometimes it's the kid, sometimes it's the school, sometimes it's the parents - sometimes it's a combination of all of the above.

Public schools are not our downfall - it is more than just saying "fix the public school system" - we also need to fix the "family" system and other things!

My input,

Lizzie :)


Nerd!  ;)  ;;D

Home schooling works if the parents make sure the kids are actually doing work and learning.  Having good communication with the affiliated school is important too.  Some home school programs are a joke because they give kids work books to fill out and they give them the answers to self check, which is pointless they can just cheat their way though.  If you're like my best friend, you slack off the entire year, sleep all day, party all night and then wait til the last 2 weeks to get all your books completed.  But I don't think you learn and retain as much information as you should when you do it that way.  If it's a good home school program, and the affiliated school is involved to a greater extent, then yeah, it can be effective.
I think kids who are homeschooled miss out on a lot though, expecially socially.  I mean, if they are having problems socializing in school to begin with and then you take them out of the social setting and home school them, then you can't expect them to learn any social skills.  

To say that all public schools are a mess is not a fair statement.  There are some outstanding public school systems all over the country.

I just wish one of them would hire me!!  
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by maffumatt on May 25th, 2005, 9:35pm
I did that several years ago, she was haveing problems at school and the teachers and principle were unwilling to help. Once we moved we put her back into public school. Home schooling has its place if you can also get them some social activities, but public school prepares the kids for the real world, for good or ill. You have to be really commited to homeschooling if that is the route you want to go. It has its good points and its bad, I just don't want people to tell me that I CAN'T do it, if you know what I mean.
Title: Hoorah for Intelligence
Post by Mr. Happy on May 25th, 2005, 10:22pm
90% of all home schoolings fail, mostly because the "instructor" doesn't know what the hell they're doing.


on 05/25/05 at 21:31:17, Dave0377 wrote:
To say that all public schools are a mess is not a fair statement.  There are some outstanding public school systems all over the country.

When some Asian kid can start high school with No English and graduate in the top 10 of his/her class, I tend to think the problem isn't with the schools. Even in crappy environments, the potential is there for any kid to excel if they're self motivated.....unless it's OK for them to yell "FUCK YOU, I'll Dust Your Ass" to the teacher or bus driver.
Or lunch aid.

Opportunity is everywhere. Choice is everything.
RJ
Title: Re: Hoorah for Intelligence
Post by Lizzie2 on May 25th, 2005, 11:13pm

on 05/25/05 at 22:22:39, Mr. Happy wrote:
When some Asian kid can start high school with No English and graduate in the top 10 of his/her class, I tend to think the problem isn't with the schools. Even in crappy environments, the potential is there for any kid to excel if they're self motivated.....unless it's OK for them to yell "FUCK YOU, I'll Dust Your Ass" to the teacher or bus driver.
Or lunch aid.

Opportunity is everywhere. Choice is everything.
RJ


Amen to that...  And those values start in the home.  I'm only 24 - I didn't go to the schools where you got smacked by your teacher as part of your "education" to learn proper values.  My parents just brought us up right. :)

And Dave has an interview soon at one of our finer public schools in the area! :)

My mom works in a public elementary school; I used to work with an early intervention program for awhile, and I started off my major in music education.  My boyfriend's major was health and phys ed.  There's just a part of me that refuses to believe all public schools are bad.  

I think we have to dig deeper, and that scares people.  Teachers can't be expected to be the educator and parent for these kids.  So why are we expecting them to be?

Not all home schooling programs are bad, just as not all public school programs are bad.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Intelligence
Post by Kevin_M on May 26th, 2005, 12:11am

on 05/25/05 at 22:22:39, Mr. Happy wrote:
90% of all home schoolings fail, mostly because the "instructor" doesn't know what the hell they're doing.

potential is there for any kid to excel if they're self motivated...

Opportunity is everywhere. Choice is everything.
RJ


Good words  (but that lithium being on the metal "side" of the chart still rolls me everytime.   ;;D)  you f*cker.  8)

Geography is one thing.  If my parents could explain to me the "questions" I most certainly would have about physics, chemistry, biology, literature comprehension, economics, accounting, the social sciences and advanced math courses, then there's a chance I'd consider the choice.  
 The opportunity for answers "can" be found, it's who you are able to find and have the access to ask.  

Then there's the social side of it.  You may notice not many studies or journal articles have just one name on them anymore.

well, I try to STFU since I don't know anything about it... anyway.


Kevin M
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Charlie on May 26th, 2005, 3:25am
Public schooling is a relatively new and was created in large part because so many parents on the farm or in the slums held education in such low esteem. Many still do. It's still necessary. For all its flaws it's probably the most successful thing done by the government. It has its ups and downs and is a favorite target of religious nuts but the idea is good.

Charlie
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by maffumatt on May 26th, 2005, 5:47am
Posted by: Mr. Happy       Posted on: May 25th, 2005, 10:22pm
90% of all home schoolings fail, mostly because the "instructor" doesn't know what the hell they're doing.

Please show where you come up with that statistic. I have a feeling you made it up.

Taken from the study produced by the US Department of Education

Homeschool profile
Median amount spent on home schooling per child in the US - $450

Household incomes
18% of home school families earn less than $25,000, 44% of households between $25,000 and $49,000.

Religion
Over 75% attend religious services

Regulation
States with High government regulation of home schools - homeschool battery score - 86

States with Moderate government regulation of home schools - homeschool battery score - 85

States with Low government regulation of home schools - homeschool battery score - 86

Certification
Performance of 4th grade home schoolers where at least one parent was certified - Composite Percentage Score 82

Performance of 4th grade home schoolers where neither parent was certified - Composite Percentage Score 82

Minority Performance
Home school - average reading score (white) - 87 percentile; Public school - average reading score (white) - 61 percentile

Home school - average reading score (minority) - 87 percentile; Public school - average reading score (minority) -49 percent

Home school - average math score (white) - 82 percentile; Public school - average math score (white) - 60 percentile

Home school - average math score (minority) - 77 percentile; Public school - average math score (minority) - 50 percentile

For data above reference Brian D. Ray, PhD, Home Schooling on the Threshold (NHERI Publications, PO Box 13939, Salem, OR 97309), and HSLDA, Home Education Across the USA (HSLDA, 17333 Pickwick Dr., Purcellville, VA 20132), and HSLDA, Home Schooling Works, Pass it on! Rudner Report, (HSLDA, 17333 Pickwick Dr., Purcellville, VA 20132).

"The average SAT score for home schoolers in 2000 was 1100, compared with 1019 for the general population. And a large study by University of Maryland education researcher Lawrence Rudner showed that the average home schooler scored in the 75th percentile on the Iowa Test of Basic Skills; the 50th percentile marked the national average."

http://www.uhea.org/stats.html
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by giffy76 on May 26th, 2005, 6:35am
My sister home schools my niece and nephew, brilliant kids, very book smart but they have no social skills and I don't mean they are kind of wierd. NO social skills, it's impossible to take them in public because they have no idea how to behave. Parents need to protect their children not shelter them. If parents would focus more on their children and less on career that child will excell no matter where they go to school.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by maffumatt on May 26th, 2005, 7:02am
Most areas have homeschool socialization programs where the kids meet and play, they go on field trips and do alot of activities together. It doesn't sound like your sister does this.

   * Join the scouts or 4-H. Many communities offer homeschool 4-H groups, and a few areas contain scouting groups whose members primarily homeschool. (If you join a homeschool group, it generally meets when you're available during the day, instead of using evening or weekend hours.) Ask around.

   * Volunteer for a local nonprofit organization. Many organizations may appreciate helping hands. The animal shelter, library, and local food bank are only a few of them. Look in the nonprofit section of your local phone book and locate a worthy cause.

   * Play ball, tennis, or golf. Regardless of your favorite sport, the local parks and recreation department probably offers some kind of spring or summer classes. It's a great way to meet other people and maybe even find someone to play with. After signing up for tennis lessons last summer, the parents in my time slot sat around the picnic table to get acquainted. It only took us a few minutes to realize that all but one of us taught our kids at home.

   * Meet a playgroup at the park. Homeschool park groups incorporate all ages from preschoolers on up. Some families pack a lunch and stay most of the day, while others drop by for a bit to spend some time and then wander off to other activities.

   * Play in the homeschool orchestra. And brush up on your note theory at the same time. If your community doesn't offer a homeschool orchestra, maybe it organizes a theater group, choir, or some other artsy conclave.

   * Join or create a field trip group. Some homeschool groups meet once a month or so only to participate in field trips together. This is a way to meet other families, see new sights, and not feel like you're committed every week for the rest of the semester.

My daughter met with other homeschool kids twice a week. Sometimes they went to a museum, field trips to local historical attractions, or just met at the park and played. Homeschooling is what you make it. Most kids are well adjusted, polite, and considerate. But there are always exceptions to every rule. Even in public school there are kids that have no social skills, or just plain mean kids. The reason I homeschooled my daughter was that there were several kids that just plain harrassed her by grabbing her breasts and butt, everyday she came home crying and told us a different story.  I   had enough when a group of boys ripped her shirt off at school, when the school called and told us to bring her a shirt and I found out that the boys resposible had only gotten 2 days suspension, and this being after several complaints about them already, I pulled her out. Are the kids that were doing this to her socialy adjusted? What was my daughter learning from this?
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by BarbaraD on May 26th, 2005, 8:36am
I've got two schools of thougth on this one.....

I attended public schools (except for a year of boarding school). But this was back in the fifties. If we got in trouble at school, whatever punishment we got was mild to what happened when we got home. Our parents took an interest in what we were doing and helped with homework. We actually LEARNED things. Of course we didn't have all the extra stuff that they teach nowadays.

My son attended public schools until the 8th grade when he went to boarding school for a few years. He came out of boarding school and attended public schools until he graduated. BUT, I was involved in both public and boarding schools.

I attended school board meetings, asked questions, met with teachers when needed and KNEW what the kid was doing. We also did homework at night and I knew what he was strong and weak in. I was INVOLVED.

My gripe now is that schools have become a glorified babysitter and parents (not all, but most) don't "have time" to see that their children get an education - or they just don't care anymore. A sad turn of events.

Now I have a grandson. He's in 'pre-school' right now and I'm up there weekly asking questions and giving them my complaints when I dont' think they're doing right. We work with him at home also.

So I guess what this boils down to is public schools can only do so much, but it's still up to the parents to see the child learns. Until parents start getting involved we're not going to get anything changed at all.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by giffy76 on May 26th, 2005, 8:38am
You have a very good point. I'm use to small town, farm community public school were my kids go and were my wife and I went and they have 0 tolorence for disrespect. As for my sister, she's tried various outings like you mentioned and all they got out of it were hurt feelings. The point I'm trying to make is that kids learn more from other kids and you have to take the bad with the good. By no means am I saying I think you'r wrong for taking your' daughter out, I would have done the same in that circumstance, you have to protect your' kids.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Melissa on May 26th, 2005, 8:38am

Quote:
When some Asian kid can start high school with No English and graduate in the top 10 of his/her class, I tend to think the problem isn't with the schools.

I agree with this.  Totally.

Interesting thread.
8)mel
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by notseinfeld on May 26th, 2005, 9:14am
Nathan's parents are bright enough to realize that government is not the way to go when it comes to educating a child.  They accepted the responsibility, and educated him at home.  

This is one of the most important issues facing our country today.  We are suffering from the impact of generation after generation of Americans who have been educated by government.  As a result America is populated by a citizenry that knows little about the founding of this country or the basics of our Constitution.  

Today's Americans can't write a cogent sentence on the difference between a rule of law and a rule of man.  They believe that America is and is supposed to be a democracy, and have no idea what a constitutional republic might be or how it might operate.  Not 1 out of 100 Americans could tell you that the government of Nigeria has official representation in Washington DC, but that the government of Nebraska does not.  Few Americans know that the American economy is hamstrung by a system of taxation that puts us at a competitive disadvantage with the rest of the industrialized world.

Americans have a limited, if that, sense of self-reliance.  Health care?  That's your employer's responsibility, or your government's.  Retirement planning?  Let the government do it, we don't want to be burdened with the responsibilities.  Americans are becoming lazy and dependent .. and that is precisely and exactly what our politicians want.  A lazy and dependent American is a am American who will invite more and more government.  
Again, that is just what the political class wants.  And who controls our system of education?  Why, the political class!  Politicians! What a deal?  They use their control over the education of our children to create generation after generation of dumbed-down myrmidons who believe that America is great because of its government.  What else would you expect?

This country is on the ropes, my friends.  Socialized medicine is all but inevitable, and we can't even convince a majority of the people that it is wiser for them to handle their own retirement funds rather than turn their money over to politicians to be spent on vote-buying programs.  If freedom and economic liberty is to be resurrected and preserved we must do something about the day-after-day, year-after-year indoctrination of yet another generation of Americans in this hideous system of government schools.  The first step would be school choice.  Parents ought to be allowed to make decisions as to how the money that they earn will be spent in the education of their children.  Vouchers ought to be at the top of the list when we make our decisions at the polls next November.  I don't care what else a politician might have going for him, if he doesn't support school choice, if he doesn't support vouchers, then that politicians needs to be sent home and replaced with someone who will return the control of education to the parents.

There is no one institution that has contributed more to the deterioration of America than our system of government schools.  Do Americans have the guts to stand behind their children, and their country?

Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by LadyElaine on May 26th, 2005, 10:37am
I had to jump right in this one. We will be homeschooling JD. We have spent the last four years researching home schooling.  Homeschool does work.
I have researched it like I did clusters and still do.

Our kids who are homeschooled meet other children and are in many things, as already posted. . How many of you have heard a teacher say. "Your not here to Socialize! Your here to learn!" It is spoken everyday by a teacher !

I think it takes a lot of love and caring to home school our kids. It is not a easy job.  I don't tell anyone not to send their children to public school, I rejoice in any child doing great in  home school or public school.  We don't want anyone telling us not to homeschool!

As far as if we are educated enough to teach our kids. what we don't know we will find someone who does, We will hire someone who can teach them what we can not. In the homeschool meets we have.  We trade off. One Mother/Dad will teach spanish, one Mother/Dad will teach algerbra, one Mother/Dad will teach something else. We share what we are good at. Two days a week we all meet in one place and different things are taught.  Fild trips are taken with other kids. This year in Atlanta there was even a prom for the homeschoolers.

Please don't put home schooling down till you research it. We have to let the school system know we are teaching them. We have to have the kids tested every three years. We have to turn certain paper work into the school system each month.  In Georgia, our children can be picked up and questioned by the police if caught in public durning school hours, and parents being held responisable. Its not like we can just do what ever we want to . There are certain subjects we have to teach.  There are certain things we have to do to be able to home school.  Its a wonderful thing for the child and the parent to learn together. Not only History Math, but about Life, Respect, kindness, FAMILY! It brings the family close together. We hope that when JD grows up he will be a Productive person. That Family will mean something to him.

Back to the topic. Hoorah For Home Schoolers ! Nathan Cornelius you make your Parents proud. Your a good example for all students being taught in homeschool. By the way Nathan Cornelius is not the only homeschooler who has won !
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Lizzie2 on May 26th, 2005, 11:01am
I think my problem comes from the generalizations that all children who go to public schools are morons who can't think for themselves.

Speak for whatever child you know who turned out that way, but PLEASE don't speak for the rest of us.  Average SAT score in the 1000's for public school kids?  Fine, but I know public school kids who got 1600's on the SATs.  And the SATs in reality mean nothing.  Colleges don't even look at them as much anymore compared to how they view the actual person and their accomplishments.

My friend Adrienne took an interesting approach to education.  She was going to a conservatory after graduation for cello performance.  Instead of her parents (her father was on the school board) pulling her out of school altogether, they worked it out so that she attended the public school in the morning and went to all of the major classes there.  In the afternoon, she went home to practice the cello.  She did amazingly well.  

I outright disagree with blanket statements that say all public schooling is bad and that all children who went to public schools are morons who can't think for themselves.  This is a terrible attitude to have, and it's an absolute terrible attitude to pass on to ANY very malleable child.

I won't put out a blanket statement (and haven't) to say that all home schooling is a joke, so I would apprecitate it if people would quit putting out blanket statements that say public schooling is a failure.

It IS about parental interest.  My mom taught me how to read before I ever started school.  Both of my parents were very involved in my education.

You want to blame someone for the failure of education?  Blame the parents who don't give a damn about their kids and throw them in front of the tv for hours on end.

If one was to return to college to go through an "education" track - you would find a much higher quality of education that they are giving to today's teachers than you would have seen 50 years ago.

But then, I live in Pennsylvania - I know my mom was considering sending me to Catholic school if we'd have stayed in Kentucky.  Pennsylvania has some of the best schools in the country - similar to what Charlie said about New York schools.  New York schools not only force their kids to take the SATs, but they force them to take countless rigorous Regents exams even to move on to the next year of education.  I think the schools have cracked down in a much more tough manner to correct education than most people can even dream of.  

These same people are writing into the local newspaper berating our teachers and support staff when they go on strike beacuse the richest school districts in the area won't give them a raise for the past 5 years.  The image that public education is a wasteland really needs to change, and people who want to voice the entire system as a failure need to look outside the box.

Ahhh ok...done now with that rant.  I just feel very strongly about this issue.  I wouldn't be who I am today (for better or worse) if I hadn't gone to public school AND had my parents extremely involved in that education as well as raising us with proper morals, values, and ethical ideals.

Carrie
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Frank_W on May 26th, 2005, 11:58am
For a child to be successfully educated, there is a three-leggged stool that must be in place: Parent, Teacher, Student. If any of these fails, the student fails.

I know my child's teacher. I know my child. I am very involved with my child's homework assignments, read with her, (she's 7 years old), and keep close tabs on her behavior. At home, manners and respect are EVERYTHING. If she's struggling with an academic subject, then we drill on it and work at it until she understands it, but if she has behavior problems at school, she knows I'm going to swat her ass for it when she gets home, after we discuss the fact that she knows what's expected of her. Later, we discuss it again, to reinforce WHY she got her ass swatted. The next morning, before she goes to school, we discuss it one last time so that it's fresh in her mind.

The teacher knows she gets disciplined at home, and I try to be fair. Every once in awhile, the teacher will be overly harsh or unfair, and if/when I happen to think this is the case, then I phone the teacher and get the full story.

My wife and I have been doing this with our daughter and her teachers, since she began pre-school. It works. My daughter knows that we support her and have her best interests at heart, and she knows she's loved, while at the same time, knows that there are consequences for her actions, and knows what the consistent standard is. Her teachers also know that we support them and that we are constructively involved our daughter's education, discipline, and upbringing.

Yeah, it requires time and effort, but as a result, I have the privilege of watching my daughter grow up to be well-mannered, a nice person to be around, and with a measure of self-control and self-discipline.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by ckelly181 on May 26th, 2005, 3:33pm
Thanks Frank,

The most well-behaved, respectful, and engaged students usually have a parent, or parents whose face(s) I know. They talk to you, ask you questions, and work with you as a team.

As a public school teacher, I have no problem with homeschooling. For some it's appropriate. But, I'd guess that a majority of parents don't have the desire, ability, or financial resources to homeschool.

Public schools have ALL students - not just a select population. Of course there are the lowest of the low, but there are also the highest of the high, and everyone in between. Congratulations to the homeschooled boy who won the geography contest. I'll bet there have been public school students who have won it also.

The valedictorian of the high school in the town I teach in graduated at the top of her private university and is now attending Harvard graduate school as a research scientist on a free ride. Pretty good for a public school moron.

It's interesting to note that those who belittle education rarely offer any solutions, or they point to one or two instances of some event and say it's true of all schools. I hear a lot of "it's so bad, it's terrible, schools are jails, teachers are terrorists..." Blah blah blah. Come on in and see what happens in the classroom; spend more than a day. Then you'll be a little more credible.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Jonny on May 26th, 2005, 3:49pm

on 05/25/05 at 20:45:38, notseinfeld wrote:
[Nah--he's referring to the ones that hand out free condoms and don't write in red ink because it'll 'hurt their feelings.'  


Oh!, this is nice....NOT!!

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=84834
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by maffumatt on May 26th, 2005, 4:08pm
My kids are in public school now, but if the time comes when the school isn't up to the task, or does not protect my children I will pull them out again. The school that they are in now is a small community school with the  child to  teacher ratio of about 20 to one. Children can learn in that environment, the school that my daughter had trouble in had a ratio of 40 to 1. In a class that large, a child gets no individual attention. If it works don't fix it, if its broke, try to fix it. If you can't its time to get your kids out of there. But that is my opinion.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Jonny on May 26th, 2005, 4:33pm

on 05/26/05 at 15:49:37, Jonny wrote:
Oh!, this is nice....NOT!!

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=84834


School committee President Deborah Peeples said parents are allowed to view the survey ahead of time, but are not able to take a copy home to review before their children answer it.

    ``It might be misinterpreted or misunderstood or they could use it to direct their children's responses,'' she said. ``The responses we get here are very accurate.''

HELLO!!!!....MISUNDERSTOOD?.......They are asking a twelve year old girl how many dicks shes had in her mouth, am I the only one that sees something totally wrong with this?

With all the teachers being busted for having sex with students....... this is just a date list for them ::)
Title: Re: Hoorah for Intelligence
Post by floridian on May 26th, 2005, 4:34pm

on 05/26/05 at 00:11:49, Kevin_M wrote:
... but that lithium being on the metal "side" of the chart still rolls me everytime. ...


Yes, but Lithium is a light metal, definitely not a heavy metal.  
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by floridian on May 26th, 2005, 4:37pm

on 05/26/05 at 16:33:44, Jonny wrote:
School committee President Deborah Peeples said parents are allowed to view the survey ahead of time, but are not able to take a copy home to review before their children answer it.

    ``It might be misinterpreted or misunderstood or they could use it to direct their children's responses,'' she said. ``The responses we get here are very accurate.''

HELLO!!!!....MISUNDERSTOOD?.......They are asking a twelve year old girl how many dicks shes had in her mouth, am I the only one that sees something totally wrong with this?

With all the teachers being busted for having sex with students....... this is just a date list for them ::)


I remember getting the annual drug use survey when I was in school - WTF, the drugs they asked about were illegal, so nobody did them, why corrupt the kids by putting ideas in their head??  
Title: Re: Hoorah for Intelligence
Post by Kevin_M on May 26th, 2005, 7:37pm

on 05/26/05 at 16:34:49, floridian wrote:
Yes, but Lithium is a light metal, definitely not a heavy metal.


It was the word "side" that made it funny Jon.  

:)

Kevin M
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Charlie on May 27th, 2005, 1:54am
It's supposed to be old farts like me that worry about this stuff. Damn yougsters. What's the matter widja?
We're the ones that are supposed to worry about the moral fabric of the country.  http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/bigwink.gif

I can't stand it. I realize now that I'm now part of that gray haired geezer group that meets every day at McDonalds for lunch, sits at the same table reading the Buffalo News, talking about defunct downtown businesses, and our colonoscopies while guzzling coffee. When did this happen to me?  I used to snicker at these guys. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/fool.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by maffumatt on May 27th, 2005, 6:47am
We are raiseing the next generation now.
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Charlie on May 27th, 2005, 11:36am
Yeah. They scare me too.

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/drive1.gif
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Lizzie2 on May 27th, 2005, 11:55am

on 05/27/05 at 11:36:41, Charlie wrote:
Yeah. They scare me too.

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/drive1.gif



And while you may not have heard this one...

How about the 15 year old who was praciticing driving with her dad in a school parking lot, managed to somehow drive her car through a fence, and hit an 18 year old mother across the street.  Killed the mother, who somehow managed to toss her 1 year old infant to safety in the grass before getting hit.

Talk about messed up.....   :'(
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Frank_W on May 27th, 2005, 2:26pm
Car-ma?

(sorry... sorry...)




<-----goin' to Hell... :-X
Title: Re: Hoorah for Home Schoolers
Post by Lizzie2 on May 27th, 2005, 3:49pm

on 05/27/05 at 14:26:19, Frank_W wrote:
Car-ma?

(sorry... sorry...)




<-----goin' to Hell... :-X



Oh shit LMAO  I'm on the boat with ya....




;)


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