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Title: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by notseinfeld on May 17th, 2005, 9:54am SOOOOO ANXIOUS TO MAKE THE U.S. LOOK BAD .... ... and people die. Here is a sad tale of what happens when certain elements of our national news media succumb to their eagerness to make the United States look bad. Last week Newsweek magazine ran with a story that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo in Cuba had flushed a copy of the Koran down the toilet in an effort to make detainees talk. Evidently Muslims become more than a little upset when they hear that someone is flushing their holy book down the commode ... so they did what they do best, they became violent. Big surprise, right? Sixteen people died and over 100 were injured in the riots in Afghanistan. The actions of the American interrogators were condemned across the Middle East. A group of Afghan Muslim peace-loving clerics called for a holy war against the United States. Uh oh. Big oops. In the issue of Newsweek coming out today we learn that Newsweek's source for the story is recanting. Now he can't be sure that he saw what he told Newsweek that he saw. At least 16 people are dead ... and the U.S. takes a PR hit, all because Newsweek ran with a story from a single source that they had not verified. Is it possible that there are some at Newsweek who ran with the story not so much because they believed it to be true, but because they so earnestly wanted it to be true? To believe that is to believe that there are elements of the media who will go out of their way ... stretch the line just a bit ... if it means that they can get a story into print that embarrasses the Bush Administration and sets our efforts back in Iraq. Sadly .. it doesn't take that much of a stretch to believe just that. People are now dead because of the sloppy reporting of Newsweek and its reporters. The story and its questionable origins once again prove the blame-America-first agenda of the left. In their lust for anti-American, pro-Islam propaganda, the mainstream media has taken to just making up facts. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by sandie99 on May 17th, 2005, 10:16am Why do I feel right now that I should be ashamed of myself for calling myself a journalist...? But the day that making up stories becomes the priority or publishing false stories just because they would be so great if they were the truth over the real truth ... that day is a sad day for journalism. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 10:37am Well, we already KNOW that this war effort DOES include intentional humiliation of muslims. The problem with the prison scandal was the damage to the integrity of our armed forces and interrogation efforts. I have no real reason to believe the denial is truthful. I have no real reason to believe it happened either. I just know the real truth is not going to be given. Plus, I assume it would've backed up the toilet, it's a big book isn't it? There must be plumbing records. ;;D |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 17th, 2005, 1:54pm The latest thing I heard was that one of the prisoners flushed pages down the toilet in order to wreak havoc. If that is the case, it really shows how much respect these nutbags have for their own holy book. So if this is validated are the Muslims in Afghanistan going to kill each other for desecrating the Koran? Intellectual honesty is pretty much non-existant in the world today, and THAT my friends is a very sad state of affairs. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 2:24pm There appears to be a senior government source attributed to the 'news' I think it's time he was held accountable. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 17th, 2005, 2:26pm on 05/17/05 at 14:24:26, vig wrote:
Yeah, but if he is as stupid as everyone seems to want to make him out to be, it's not his fault that people are telling him the wrong information and duping him to their will. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 2:34pm I'm guessing he's not stupid at all. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by notseinfeld on May 17th, 2005, 3:08pm Update: Newsweek says that "there was absolutely no lapse in journalistic standards here." Some are taking Newsweek to task for that statement. As an editorial in today's Wall Street Journal says: "But if printing such an explosive allegation based on the memory of what a single, anonymous source claims he read is standard Newsweek procedure--no documents were even produced--its readers must wonder about the rest of its content too." But .. Newsweek says that there was no lapse in journalistic standards. Before we can gauge whether or not that statement is correct we need to have some idea of just what journalistic "standards" Newsweek is measuring itself by. Might I submit to you that the Newsweek journalistic "standards" bear close resemblance to the following: The Bush Administration didn't rely on faulty intelligence in its move to depose Saddam Hussein; instead, Bush "lied." Any story from an anonymous source critical of a Republican president, no matter how thinly based or weakly corroborated, must be initially believed as true and may be reported as such if deadlines are close. Any story from an anonymous source critical of a Democratic president must be initially believed as untrue and should only be published out of a fear that some other news organization is going to publish it before you do. Torture of Muslims is a widespread and accepted part of the U.S. military culture. Virtually all of the detainees being held in Guantanamo are innocent and should be immediately released, perhaps with reparations payments for their incarceration. Every action involving the U.S. military under other than a Democratic commander in chief will, within no less than 21 days, become a "quagmire." There is no legitimate reason for the application of U.S. military force overseas under a Republican president until after the nuclear tipped missiles are actually launched. There is no reason not to apply U.S. military force overseas under a Democratic president. (Can you say 'Monica?') Anti-war activists are prone to tell the truth. Military officials are prone to lie. Reporters never lie, unless they work for The Washington Times or the Fox News Channel. America is great because of its government, so long as that government is controlled by Democrats. If the United States government is controlled by Republicans, America is not great. Folks may find it hard to believe but I'm not a Republican--it's just that the degree of slander and idiocy demonstrated by the left makes them (the repubs) look viable. -- |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 3:18pm on 05/17/05 at 15:08:24, notseinfeld wrote:
America IS great. And it's the responsibility of Americans to police itself and question itself and get to the truth. Slander and Idiocy are traits of BOTH parties as demonstrated by both Bush and Clinton administrations, throw in dishonest too, while I'm at it. I would love to believe that no American flushed any Qu'ran down the crapper... but after watching the horror of Abu Ghirab, I can't trust what I'm told. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 3:22pm on 05/17/05 at 15:18:27, vig wrote:
Oh the horror!!!!!...LMMFAO ;;D Tell that to Danny Pearl's family......Now thats horror! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 3:24pm Yup, Jonny, that's horror too. Only now, we can't say we're above that. and that sucks, because we used to be able to. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 17th, 2005, 3:28pm This is horror too: www.sirgravesghastly.com/ (just a little friendly hijacking) |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 3:31pm Sorry bro, but I dont see putting a collar and leash on a naked dude as equal to using a dull knife to cut the head off a live civllian, filming it and showing the world. For some reason one is just a little worse than the other ;;D |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 3:36pm we had Svenghoulie in Chicago... http://www.wciu.com/whatsNewItem.asp?pub_id=783 Oh, and Jonny, no argument there, though some of the prisoners DID die from the abuse. We can be ignorant bastages too. but you're right, if this is a contest, they win.... ;;D |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 17th, 2005, 3:46pm on 05/17/05 at 15:24:35, vig wrote:
I don't recall seeing footage of any U.S. soldiers beheading Iraqi or Afghani CIVILIANS. Please provide a link to this footage and I will apologize. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 3:53pm Don't apologize bro... I'm hoping we haven't done anything like that. but we did go and start a war, killed a lot of people (military AND civilian [goes with the territory]), based on intel that turned out to be, in their own words, 'dead wrong' oops! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 17th, 2005, 3:54pm on 05/17/05 at 15:46:58, thomas wrote:
While my heart is in Jonny's camp on this one, my head can't ignore the fact that there were a fair number of errant munitions that tore a few heads off when we were all full of "shock and awe" and just as we don't have to forget Danny Pearl's atrocity, there's probably a few raqi's that don't have to forget the errant laser guided missiles that took their's either. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 4:24pm The Palestinian gunmen holed up in the Church of the Nativity seized church stockpiles of food and "ate like greedy monsters" until the food ran out, while more than 150 civilians went hungry. They also guzzled beer, wine, and Johnnie Walker scotch that they found in priests' quarters, undeterred by the Islamic ban on drinking alcohol. The indulgence lasted for about two weeks into the 39-day siege, when the food and drink ran out, according to an account by four Greek Orthodox priests who were trapped inside for the entire ordeal.... The Orthodox priests and a number of civilians have said the gunmen created a regime of fear. Even in the Roman Catholic areas of the complex there was evidence of disregard for religious norms. Catholic priests said that some Bibles were torn up for toilet paper, and many valuable sacramental objects were removed. "Palestinians took candelabra, icons and anything that looked like gold," said a Franciscan, the Rev. Nicholas Marquez from Mexico. What? No outrage? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 4:38pm yup that's outrageous too! who is holding them accountable? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 4:46pm The Massad did. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 4:48pm on 05/17/05 at 16:46:50, maffumatt wrote:
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 17th, 2005, 4:49pm on 05/17/05 at 15:54:24, seasonalboomer wrote:
Just read your own post, twit. There is a huge difference between errant missiles and intentionally hacking a guy's bean off with a freaking machete. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 4:56pm It seems to me that no other country on this planet takes into consideration the civillians as much as we do when we bomb, but hey......its called WAR....right? BTW..."desert storm" never ended, it was a cease fire. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 4:59pm Errant missles hell, what happened to the good ol B52 carpet bombings of yesterday? It was good enough for the Germans and the Japanese. Are the Iraqis better? A good ol 750 lb bomb costs less than a 2 thousand dollars, a smart bomb costs a million. Just think of the saveings we could have had.War is hell and people die. If you gona do something, do it right. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 5:20pm Don't get me wrong, I'm not a peace-nik. I thought we did a hell of a job in Afghanistan... Shock and awe were appropriate. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by floridian on May 17th, 2005, 6:15pm on 05/17/05 at 16:59:09, maffumatt wrote:
Right, and since there were no WMD and no link between Saddam and 9/11, we changed our reason for the war to 'spreading democracy' - which would have been much easier if we had just killed everyone by carpet bombing the place like you suggested ... not sure what we're doing in Iraq, but by God, we're gonna do it! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 6:33pm WMDs was not the sole reason for the war. It was never stated as the only reason to go to war. Show me where Bush stated that they were. Iraq did not fulfill its commitments to the ceasefire that they signed after the gulf war. Not to mention the 17 UN resolutions he flagrantly violated, if he didn't have WMDs he wanted the world to think he did, and had the world fooled. Should I post all the statments from high ranking Democrats saying that he did have them? Even statements from some that were on the intellegence committees. Some state that Bush took us to war was for oil, but it is a fact that our allies that didn't go to war with us because they were getting rich on that oil. You don't kill the golden goose if your getting the eggs. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 6:41pm Seems to me that British and Russian intellegence said Saddam had WMD. I could be wrong but I think other countries said the same thing. Like I said, there was never an end to the desert storm war.....Saddam fucked up by not compling to the ceasefire rules.....Christ!, im a dumbass and even I can see that ;;D |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 6:49pm Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton. - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source Need More? http://massgraves.info/ no matter the reason of the war, we stoped this. We got our WMD. Saddam |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 6:57pm on 05/17/05 at 18:49:41, maffumatt wrote:
This one is the sweetest...."I voted for before I voted against" What a fucking putz.....If I voted (and I dont) he would never be dogcatcher ;;D And before anyone jumps on me for not voting....I pay my taxes...I will bitch all I please!!! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 7:10pm CNN is reporting that soldiers have encountered a Sarin Gas shell while dealing with an IED. The unit in question was binary, designed to mix two inert chemicals to produce the toxin after it was fired. It's unusual construction compromised it's value as an IED. And it isn't the first. Ten days ago, the Army says they found a mustard gas shell. This is the first I'ver heard of it, however. If you're waiting for headlines of dead soldiers, stop holding your breath. The two soldiers contaminated were released from medical care. I imagine the explosives around the shell did either a poor job of mixing. The Iraqis using it, according to Gen. Mark Kemmit, did not seem to be aware of the chemical agent. these paragraphs from CBS News make an even more blackly humorous statement as to the situation: U.S. officials said Monday they are concerned that other sarin-filled munitions may still exist in Iraq — and may not be well marked. The deadly chemical was inside an artillery shell dating to the Saddam Hussein era that had been rigged as a bomb in Baghdad, said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq. FoxNews reports the following about the mustard gas shell: Two weeks ago, U.S. military units discovered mustard gas that was used as part of an IED. Tests conducted by the Iraqi Survey Group and others concluded the mustard gas was "stored improperly," which made the gas "ineffective." Alright, so these shells came from somewhere. Were they supplied or scavenged? Could the people who set off this shell know where to lead us to find the rest? Are there enough to account for the discrepancies that started this whole thing in the first place? And of course: are these from a time when Saddam wasn't supposed to have these? And most importantly, should we be broadcasting this information right now, having not secured whatever source these shells came from? My worry is that knowing they might have such shells, our opponents might very well redesign their IEDs to suit. That, friends and neighbors, will change the game very significantly. IEDs lobotomizing soldiers and destroying Humvees is one thing. IEDs spreading chemical death over a city block is an entirely different matter. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 7:24pm http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3da24b3127cce9fbec10e9dad00000016108AZM2bNk5bM6 |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2005, 8:01pm Politics wasn't the force behind that article. If it were, we'd have known it. Newsweek isn't that convuluted or such dirty players. The only ones calling it "political" are the Karl Rove & Co. operatives at Republican Court throughout the city. Calling us unpatriotic, American-haters or worse is their method of dealing with their own mistakes. They turned this mistake into something is isn't. This has been happening since the beginning of time. We just have TV now. Of course this group takes responsibility for absolutely nothing. Everything is someone else's fault. It's unreal. Just once I'd like to hear "Oops, Sorry, or we made a mistake." You never will because George Bush and friends are perfect. They don't even need to be asked. They are like the GOP Congress. Their side is the party of God, you know. God's spokesmen on the national pulpit are the greediest and slimiest bunch of bastards I've ever seen in my 58 years. So why am I suspisious of anything I hear from these creeps? The article was about Gauntanmo Bay, not about anyone hating anyone. It never takes much time for them to twist it into a pogram against media that don't produce those government-supplied fake newscasts. These are dangerous times thanks to Mr. Bush. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 8:09pm on 05/17/05 at 20:01:22, Charlie wrote:
What?.....Like Dan Rather.....give me a break......LMMFAO ;;D Edit to add...When you go after someone, make sure you got the goods! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 8:17pm The only ones turning it into something it isn't are those loons rioting. All they wanted was an excuse. As for George Bush, he is doing a good job over there, despite the liberal defeatist here. I don't always agree with him, he needs to secure our borders, why spend billions on airport security when the bad guys can fly to Mexacali and walk across the border? I lived 90 miles from mexico and I know how easy it is to get across with large packages. 50 bucks goes along way down there. A pound of pot is bigger than a pound of uranium. government-supplied fake newscasts. Could it be the same guy as the reserve memos? These are dangerous times thanks to Mr. Bush. No, despite of. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2005, 8:19pm Lots of Dan Rathers out there. Like Walter Cronkite said many years ago when asked why he was liberal. He said that it was because older journalists were usually on the actual scene of much of human tragedy and how it affects the little guy and poor families. The war had a lot to do with it. I'm not sure about Rather. He surely was never a Cronkite. It's okay to be a Cronkite you know; preferable, although today we are supposed to believe that it's some kind of crime against the state. God what a horror. I repeat: These are dangerous times thanks to Mr. Bush. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 8:23pm We were targeted long before Bush. And its ok to be a liberal reporter Charlie, that is as long as its known. If you a true journalist you report facts, not make them up as you go. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 8:26pm Charlie....I guess you skipped the post with all the Dems saying Saddam had WMD. Blind? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2005, 8:28pm The governmnet produced stories are a modern phenomenon. They have been written about and talked about on national news. They make very slick videos, some of it merley informative, but mostly with an Ozzie and Harriet depiction of life in the 21st century. Congress is debating labelling them after lots of protests. In the new corporate ownership of the news, money is what counts and these ready-made things are too tempting. This is the kind of thing Americans have to beware of now....How sad. These are dangerous times thanks to Mr. Bush. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2005, 8:29pm Democrats and everyone thought trusting the President was okay. So did I. These are dangerous times thanks to Mr. Bush. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 8:33pm All I can say is, since you have the inside scoop, who was on the grassy gnoll. Where is Elvis? And who is behind the space abductions? Conspiracies............ facts?????????? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2005, 8:45pm Yours come from the Matt Drudges and Rush Limbaughs and Fox "news." The title of this thread shows the level of intellingence and nastiness coming from these people and Washington: Quote:
"You're either with us or against us." A horrible thing for an American President to say. Insipid but it pleased the right crowd. Shutting down debate is what they do. "Do you support the troops?" does the same thing. It shuts down debate on the why. These are dangerous times thanks to Mr. Bush. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 17th, 2005, 8:55pm "These are dangerous times thanks to Mr. Bush." Charlie.....read your boy ;;D on 05/17/05 at 18:49:41, maffumatt wrote:
I have no fucking idea why I would have to post anything else to shut some people up.....thats your boy and he says it all....am I wrong? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2005, 9:05pm That's what he said. I'll by that. Everybody said that when they thought Bush was telling the truth. Bush blew a golden opportunity to use 9-11 to his advantage. By acting like a child, he turned just about everybody against us. Of course deliberate and calculated thinking for his crowd applied only to calling everybody they don't like unpatriotic and worse. Not to fear though. They are perfect and not responsible for anything. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 17th, 2005, 9:23pm on 05/17/05 at 21:05:09, Charlie wrote:
and they're not through yet either.... They're not quite done setting science back a few hundred years in Kansas.... in the name of God |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 10:11pm Its funny, you said he should use 911 to his advantage, Howard Dean acuses him of useing it to his advantage. As for everyone thinking Bush was telling the truth, what a load, he has been accused of being a liar since he won Florida.... the first time. As for being unpatriotic, I don't think its so much that as (self loathing and guilt) according to Ward Churchill. We are at war, win it, don't give our enemies fodder. Divideing this country isn't helping. If you can't see the liberal bias in the media, well your not looking. You are seeing what you want to see, believing what you want to believe. Go to the Democratic underground, they see it there, and call for more. It also lays your arguements out just like a playbook. Rush is a self described conservitive, so is Hannity, Oreilly, and Tony Snow. Out in the open for all to see. Its the liberals that put their (facts) out there as unbiased news that is dangerous... Fox news is as conservitive as CNN, MSNBC,CBS, is liberal. The only difference is on more people watch Fox and it pisses liberals off because they are loseing their mouth pieces. Any differnent opinion or outlook is a danger to their monopoly. Right wing talk shows on the radio is an example, its an outlook that liberals can't control. Therefore its BAD to their agenda. George Soros decided to open Air America and has to Pay to keep it on the air. Rush has 15 million people listening at any given time he is on the air, paid for by advertisers, not by Rush or any other conservitive. BTW Charlie, its good to see you on, there hasn't been a good meaty post all week. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 17th, 2005, 10:16pm Vig, I live in Kansas. Those guys are nuts. I am a Christian, my view on evolution is that God created the world in 7 days. However who is to say how long a day is to God. 24 hours or 24 million years ? I am with you on that arguement. Some thing have to be believed by faith, but facts are better. 6 thousand years as the total world history is nuts. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 18th, 2005, 4:25am Republican deceit and dirty dealing make Democratic attempts pale to insignificance. Democrats let them get away with it. You'd think we'd learn after the state that put Bush over the top was Ohio. Their Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, had the formal say in the elections, just like Katherine Huges in Florida in 2001. He was Bush's Ohio manager and they let him get away with it....Unreal because it was dirty, very dirty. No, I don't need to get over it. I want the Democrats to learn that it's time to get dirty too. Howard Dean accused Bush of using 9-11 to get elected. You can't blame Bush for trying that. Every politican would, especially the Bush family. What I meant was the few weeks that the rest of the world was with us nearly 100%. Making plaques for "Freedom Fries." and telling others that we're right and you're all wrong, and so quickly, blew it big time. If he'd only kept his eye on the ball and worked the crowd just like his father in the Gulf War. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do and it's not just the French, it's nearly everyone. Moving the war three countries over didn't help. It's on a level with the Suez British-French disaster of the 1950s. We are lousy at empire, it's not our thing. We're there now and can't leave. We got rid of the creep and now they want us to go home. We can't. Democracy and free elections are tricky. In free elections, the Shiite theocrats are the winners. As for Jesus types: Christians are supposed to leave Judgment to God. They aren't so the larcenous flat-earther pulpit pounders win. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by maffumatt on May 18th, 2005, 5:49am Howard Dean accused bush of knowing about 911 before it happened. Isn't that dirty enough? Precincts Reporting: 100.00% Office Candidate Party Votes % Of Votes President/Vice President Bush, George W. Republican 2,859,768 50.81% Kerry, John F. Democratic 2,741,167 48.71% Yea the world was with us. That is until it came to their pocket books. Want some links? We do not need world opinion to protect ourselves. France, Germany, and Russia couldn't be with us. What they were getting from Iraq was more than we were giveing. The Middle East countries couldn't be with us because short of Turkey, the goverments there are afraid of a democracy in their mists. Facts back this up. As for an empire, America isn't an empire builder, name one country we control. Japan ? Korea? Germany? Panama? Philippines? Grenada? Afganastan? Making plaques for "Freedom Fries." and telling others that we're right and you're all wrong, and so quickly, blew it big time. Well if you have learned this, why haven't the rest of the liberals? Do you think Saddam hated us any more than he did the Israelis? If he would pay the families to kill Israelis, surely he wouldn't do that to us. Would you rather wait for another 911? As far as religion goes, I judge no one. Do you? I have seen so many anti Catholic, anti christian posts here that it is easy for a person to mistakenly come to the conclusion that the muslims deserve more respect than christians. I can copy and paste the comments if you want. I don't want the liberals to get over it. The hatred that seethes out of them has turned more people away than they will ever gain from it. I really like the way they went after the pope after he died. 60 million Catholics in the US. I wonder how many are offended enough to vote Republican. Next election we will see. Who can the democrats put up? Byrd? Dean? Hillary? Reid? Congressional elections are up soon, how many more seats will they get? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by don on May 18th, 2005, 7:21am Quote:
Could have been worse. They could have been captives of the Israelis. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 9:59am Wahhhhh wahhhhh wahhh, the fucking crying and moaning that the "right" does. You're in fucking charge now. Yet, you whine and rail against the minority party as though they were a threat. Bushie is riding his fucking mandate right into a pit. Why can't he harness the momentum? Because there is no fucking momentum for his agenda. The country is in "THE MIDDLE". They don't agree with the liberals when it comes to redistributing wealth, yet they can't stand the self-righteous smugness that the Rove-Bush-Rummy-Ashcroft crowd brings to the public discussion. so, say what you want about the middle, but it is what this country depends upon. To fight its wars, to pay its bills. So whine and cry on you bunch of fucking loons! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 10:17am "Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right." – Sir Laurens van der Post |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 10:28am on 05/18/05 at 10:17:39, seasonalboomer wrote:
Couldn't agree more, perhaps you should wax introspective here, eh? ;) |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 10:37am on 05/18/05 at 10:28:15, thomas wrote:
Your point makes my point perfectly! The vast majority of the world's population recognizes the issues with both sides and realize neither has been given the keys to the kingdom. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 10:53am on 05/18/05 at 10:37:18, seasonalboomer wrote:
I don't think you got my point, I think it went over about 2 miles above your head. But to address your second point; the vast majority of the world's population recognizes the money in America and they want it, and after they have it, the would like to see us all die. How many foreign lands really, I mean really like Americans? NONE! They love our money nothing more. They hate our culture and the values we once possessed. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 10:55am on 05/18/05 at 10:53:51, thomas wrote:
Now your point makes my previous point about you being a loon. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 18th, 2005, 10:55am on 05/18/05 at 10:53:51, thomas wrote:
I think they love our freedom too... they're jealous! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 10:57am on 05/18/05 at 10:55:16, seasonalboomer wrote:
Oh, we have now resorted to name calling, would you please get off your daddy's computer and go back to the playground and chum around with the rest of your prepubescent buddies. Edit to insert the correct word, as I was shown my ignorance by the all compasionate, all loving, all knowing Seasonalboomer. Thank you for your valuable instruction oh wise one. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 11:02am on 05/18/05 at 10:57:21, thomas wrote:
No, i've actually "resorted" to name calling. Go back to your dictionary with the rest of your conspiracy theorists. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 11:09am on 05/18/05 at 11:02:40, seasonalboomer wrote:
Oh, yes please excuse my incorrect word choice. That does not change the fact that you are nothing more than a shit-disturber, looking for his next fix. How big of a rush do you get, playing the "big man" behind your little computer monitor, anyway? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by floridian on May 18th, 2005, 11:12am on 05/18/05 at 10:53:51, thomas wrote:
Thomas, you are making faulty generalizations and statements that are not connected to the facts - historically, a large percent of people around the world have loved American culture. They have distinguished between the policies of the US government and the average citizen. American culture is one of the few profitable exports that we have. Hate the values we once possessed? Strange that they didn't hate us when did posess those values, but that there were upticks in anti-American sentiment corresponding to our adventures in Vietnam and Iraq. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 11:14am Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. Am not. Are too. But it makes for a good hijacking of an idiotic thread from the drivel that it had been reduced to. Have a great day and lots of pain free wishes for all! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 11:16am The only people that truly appreciate what America could/should be anymore are the service men and women/veterans and illegal immigrants. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 11:20am on 05/18/05 at 11:16:26, thomas wrote:
--- He said with a grumble as he whacked the "post" button with his mouse on his computer. The world, it seemed, had moved on without him and he was none to pleased. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 11:22am on 05/18/05 at 11:20:38, seasonalboomer wrote:
Don't compare me to Roland. Unless you'd like to see how good I am with my weapons. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by JJA on May 18th, 2005, 11:50am on 05/17/05 at 09:54:12, notseinfeld wrote:
Michael Isikoff is the main reporter for this story. This guy really has it out for America...Not just Bush, Clinton before him. Quote:
http://www.msnbc.com/m/nw/nwinfo_isikoff.asp ...Another of his articles... More Distortions From Michael Moore Some of the main points in ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ really aren’t very fair at all By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/ Jesse |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by floridian on May 18th, 2005, 11:58am on 05/18/05 at 11:50:59, JJA wrote:
Whoa, Nelly... the reporter has been critical of Bush, Clinton, and Michael Moore. Why does he hate America so badly?? It seems to me that too many 'patriots' have fallen into the same trap as the 'esteem educators' - don't say anything critical, only praise your child/country, ignore bad behavior, blame failure on anything external (certainly not the child's behavior or the country's policies). |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by karma on May 18th, 2005, 12:26pm people make a living by writing what people want to hear. Others make a living disputing what people have written. people make a living by publishing peoples opinions. and yet others make a living selling advertising so people can write their opinions, people can argue about those opinions and they can all get published by the people that are in the business of making money. Honesty and integrity play no part in this. Believe what you read or don't its entirely up to you. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 12:37pm on 05/18/05 at 12:26:30, karma wrote:
So, what you're implying is that if money is part of any transaction it is then necessarily devoid of honesty and integrity? That's even a little too cynical for me.... |
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Title: Bill Maher nailed It... Post by floridian on May 18th, 2005, 12:39pm Bill's New Rule: The people in America who are most in favor of the Iraq war must now go there and fight it. The Army missed its recruiting goal by 42% last month. More people joined the Michael Jackson Fan Club. "We've done picked all the low-lying Lynndie England fruit." And now we need warm bodies. We need warm bodies like Paula Abdul needs...warm bodies. ... Now, I know you're thinking, `But Bill, I already do my part with the "Support Our Troops" magnet I have on my Chevy Tahoe. How much more can one man give?' Well, here's an intriguing economic indicator. It's been over a year since they graduated, but neither of the Bush twins has been able to find work. Why don't they sign up? Do they hate America or just freedom in general? And that goes for everybody who helped sell this war. You've got to go first. ... Ann Coulter, darling, trust me, you will love the Army. You think you make up shit... But mostly, we have to send Mr. And Mrs. Britney Spears. Because Britney once said, "We should trust our president in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that and be faithful in what happens." Okay, somebody has to die for that. Or at least go. ... And think of the spiritual lift it will provide to troops and civilians alike when actual combat smacks the smirk off of Kevin Federline's face and fills his low-hanging trousers with dootie.[/quote] |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Lizzie2 on May 18th, 2005, 12:42pm This probably deserves its own post...but why in hell are we shutting down the airforce bases? To me, it reminds me of sending ships out of Pearl Harbor to go to Europe and then bundling the rest together.... Perhaps next we could make a bulls-eye shaped crop circle in Bucks County.... ;;D Edited continuously because I can't read or remember what I saw on the news last week. ;) |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 12:52pm on 05/18/05 at 10:57:21, thomas wrote:
You're very welcome. Anytime. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 18th, 2005, 1:16pm on 05/18/05 at 12:42:25, Lizzie2 wrote:
to pay for the war in Iraq |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 1:22pm on 05/18/05 at 12:42:25, Lizzie2 wrote:
Because we are going to close them all down. The U.S. has decided to roll over. We are going to give peace a chance, disband our military (to placate the anti-defense special interest), open our borders and let every one come and take what they want. Forget about sovereignty, that is long gone, we have grown tired of keeping up the facade. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by vig on May 18th, 2005, 1:30pm on 05/18/05 at 13:22:49, thomas wrote:
Which paper was THAT one in? good one Thomas! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 1:32pm name a waterfowl that is distinctive for its plaintive cry, often heard in the mornings or evenings, generally in the northern US and Canada. hint, it also appears on the Canadian $1 coin. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 1:33pm Loon? |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by seasonalboomer on May 18th, 2005, 1:34pm on 05/18/05 at 13:33:28, thomas wrote:
right on brother! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 1:36pm on 05/18/05 at 13:30:14, vig wrote:
Which paper? Hmmmmmmm it was either a "Randy's" or a "Zig-Zag." ;;D |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by floridian on May 18th, 2005, 1:38pm on 05/18/05 at 13:22:49, thomas wrote:
Yeah, good one, Thomas ... was that the anti-defense peace movement that was so sucessful in stopping the invasion of Iraq?? Me thinks this is more of a long term 'modernization' program from the Pentagon, combined with a massive budget deficit (caused by tax cuts at a time of increased spending). But your idea is more simple and elegant. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Mr. Happy on May 18th, 2005, 1:42pm Huh? What........ http://mushys.com/pix/zigzag.jpg |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Lizzie2 on May 18th, 2005, 1:45pm Here's the list: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/13/base.closings.list.ap/ And before you say, "Holy crap...TEXAS is shutting down all those bases?" Better read the next portion from a later article: Quote:
Link for that article: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7834939/ |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by thomas on May 18th, 2005, 1:51pm on 05/18/05 at 13:42:16, Mr. Happy wrote:
Hmmmmmmm even better "Randy's zig-zags." LMAO! |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jimmy_B on May 18th, 2005, 2:03pm on 05/18/05 at 12:42:25, Lizzie2 wrote:
What are ya trying to do...Kill Me??? That's where I live. ;;D They tried to shut down the same bases in 1995. Willow Grove, etc...but they didn't succeed. I hope they have the same success this time. I feel comfortable knowing the only planes flying over my house are of the military variety. :) |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Lizzie2 on May 18th, 2005, 2:07pm on 05/18/05 at 14:03:19, Jimmy_B wrote:
LMAO Shuddup Jimmy - I live less than 15 miles from you....if the bullseye is on Bucks County, I'm goin down too. ;) Matter of fact, if the bomb is...what did they say above? goes off track er sumthin....Randy's in the way too...better get your move on! ;) |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jimmy_B on May 18th, 2005, 2:28pm on 05/18/05 at 14:07:00, Lizzie2 wrote:
Now you did it! You let'm know where Randy lives. We're all goners for sure. :o ;)Jimmy |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 18th, 2005, 3:16pm on 05/18/05 at 14:07:00, Lizzie2 wrote:
;;D |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Lizzie2 on May 18th, 2005, 3:32pm LMAO that's strike 2 for me this week, isn't it?? ROFL |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Jonny on May 18th, 2005, 3:49pm on 05/18/05 at 15:32:54, Lizzie2 wrote:
Gotcha....;)......Again! ;;D |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by karma on May 18th, 2005, 4:16pm Quote:
Nope Its my opinion on where the media is at at the moment. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 18th, 2005, 4:51pm Quote:
Religion has always been the greatest cause of human suffering. We're still at it. Don't count on my loving Muslims. While no fan of Christianity, they don't usually blow up office buildings, usually. Better. Rule of law: Better. Women's rights: Better. I agree with Bill Mahrer as you can see. Liberals don't like Muslims. Like the men who wrote the Constitution, they don't like piety in government. In Canada, and most of the western Europe, bringing your god into the mix will cement your defeat. They learn from history. Republicans, but for some far to the right zealots, aren't all that comfortable with it either. It's all abortion. They found that they can win majorities for the first time in 40 years by pandering to that specific bunch of clinic bombers. Don't get me wrong though. It makes no differance to me if you add under god stuff to songs, hang ten commandments in court houses or crucifixes in cemeteries, so long as I don't have to trip over it and it doesn't get in my way. Have fun. It's clear that most of you read only what you want. This hasn't been very easy in the past. If you like Bush, you watch Fox and listen to screeching Rush Limbaugh types. (Rants are more fun than to listen to. Easy) If you hate him you listen to NPR and PBS. It's too easy to avoid other ideas with blogs and TV. Make it personal. Continue supporting Bush types and shoot yourselves in the foot. No chance at sensible drug prices, Imitrex for example, and forcing your grandparents to choose food or medicine, censoring cheerleader displays in Texas, supporting laws against anything tv preachers dislike, continue tax breaks for the wealthy while increasing them for the middle class, underfunding and closing VA hospials, underpaying the common soldier, continued underfunding of education, fuel efficiency, science, and medicine but increased support for HMOs, oil and drug companies. Oh yeah. Bush is your buddy. In short: Liberals look forward, neo-conservatives, are looking back. JFK: The race to the moon. Bush: Go backward and tie programs to religion and kill science Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Lizzie2 on May 18th, 2005, 4:53pm on 05/18/05 at 16:51:50, Charlie wrote:
At least we know that one won't work...there are far too many of us science nuts out there to allow SCIENCE to go away!!! :) |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 18th, 2005, 4:59pm Yer right Lizzie 8) http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/boquet.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by floridian on May 18th, 2005, 5:00pm on 05/18/05 at 16:53:53, Lizzie2 wrote:
They can't totally erase science (although the anti-evolutionists/creationists would like to) - what is more likely (and nearly as distressing) is that they will simply erode and destroy our current science infrastructure. In stem cell research, for example, the US is getting their butt kicked by such superpowers as South Korea. In their enlightened quest to 'cut waste' they will ridicule basic science research ... "some pointy-head in the university wants to spend a hundred thousand to study the flowers of some weed - well maybe that poindexter has been consuming too much weed." Or maybe that weed contains a the next treatment for Meth-resistant staph or some other disease. |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Charlie on May 18th, 2005, 5:07pm Quote:
Thanks I love that phrase. I laugh out loud every time. Yer right too. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/noog.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd Post by Lizzie2 on May 18th, 2005, 5:09pm You know what's interesting about that - stem cells, etc... The price of foreskin from a circumcised infant is very high. So is the umbilical cord and placenta.... Umbilical cord is a great source of stem cells...either that or you gotta go dig out bone marrow...ugh |
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