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(Message started by: Jonny on May 6^th, 2005, 8:06pm)

Title: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Jonny on May 6^th, 2005, 8:06pm

Swear?.....I would have killed anyone that tried to hang that phone up!!!

You?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0506MomsCallSuspension06-ON.html

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Donna_D. on May 6^th, 2005, 8:27pm

http://www.mcsdga.net/schools/high/spencer.html

This is the link provided in the article to the website for the high school.

I have already sent my letter of protest.

DD

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by nani on May 6^th, 2005, 8:33pm

This is a tough one. If I were the kid, I wouldn't have hung up either. Is the school heartless? I don't think so. Make one exception to the rule and suddenly teachers are having to verify dozens of phone calls a day to prove or disprove the call is from a relative in Iraq. If I were the kid, I would proudly take the punishment. The school could make exceptions as far as him not missing any work or putting the suspension on his "permanent record". Just my [smiley=twocents.gif]

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Karla on May 6^th, 2005, 8:40pm

Thanks for posting that Donna. I just followed your lead and wrote an email of protest and disgust to the Principle.

added: My email just bounced back as her email account is full. I try sending another one tomorrow.

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Sean_C on May 6^th, 2005, 9:28pm

I would have handled it in a more silent fashion as not to disrupt the student faculty.

http://www.rajuabju.com/literature/images/the_mi1.jpg

My protest of disgust will be in her e-mail too.

Sean......................................

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Miklos on May 6^th, 2005, 9:29pm

I don't think we have quite enough information to make an informed decision. We do not know how the teacher approached the student who was violating a school policy. I know from long personal experience from officiating 14 to 19 year old boys that they can be total asshats. Unfortunately, we lack specific details.

That said, I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies in public schools. In order to be politically correct, the school adminstrators and teachers have ceased to think or to bring balance to anything. i.e., I am really dangerous with a butter knife or two aspirin in my backpack.

Barring further details, I am going to go +1 for the student and -2 for the administration.

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Drk^Angel on May 6^th, 2005, 9:39pm

Mik... I think ya really need to take some time off from /.

PFDAN.............................. Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by bigAl on May 6^th, 2005, 9:45pm

Flame the heartless bastards!

http://pegasus.phys.saga-u.ac.jp/imagesMac-PC/ForPEACE/flame.jpg

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Miklos on May 6^th, 2005, 9:47pm

I have never logged onto /. I have no idea what that site (if it is a site) might be. A /. argument returns nothing from Google.

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Charlie on May 6^th, 2005, 9:58pm

There used to be such a thing as common sense. This is a case where it looks as though it wasn't applied. People are too afraid to deviate from rules. What a shame. Humans would not exist without such deviation or exceptions.

In this case, the teachers, etc, should have had the sense to wait. They could always tear into him after he finished.

God I miss people who know when not to be afraid of using their heads.

Charlie

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by BlueMeanie on May 6^th, 2005, 10:19pm

There could be a lot more to the story here. Is this kid one of those obnoxious gangbanger types who walks around F'n this & F'n that ? Does he have a record of being unruly ? How does the teacher know he is REALLY talking to his mon in Iraq ? It could have been his girlfriend and he was just giving a smartass answer.

Lots of questions here that are unanswered at this point. Nowadays, especially high school, it's tough to bend the rules as some people think should happen. One of the reasons schools are getting out of control as it is.

I'm not saying if the kid was right or wrong, but more facts should be listened to before jumping the gun here IMO. :-/

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Opus on May 6^th, 2005, 11:06pm

on 05/06/05 at 21:39:56, Drk^Angel wrote:

Mik... I think ya really need to take some time off from /.

PFDAN.............................. Drk^Angel

LOL Drk, you know Mik only reads the real news they give at Fark.com.

Anyway it would be,

+5 underated for the Kid

-1 Troll for the School.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by floridian on May 7^th, 2005, 3:26pm

Why let kids have cell phones at school in the first place? They are always going to tell the teacher that they can't hang up because it is an important call - their cat is sick, their best friend is despondent and suicidal, their grandpa is dying for the third time. Sometimes they will be telling the truth. But calls to students at school should go through the office.

The school has a policy that gives leeway for this type of call - and the kid didn't follow it. Instead he swears at the teacher, and he has a history of discipline problems. So he gets suspended. Does this come as a surprise to you?? Get a hair cut, you damn hippy. ;)

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Jonny on May 7^th, 2005, 3:38pm

on 05/07/05 at 15:26:24, floridian wrote:

Get a hair cut, you damn hippy. ;)

I take it your bald.....LMMFAO ;;D

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Charlie on May 7^th, 2005, 4:25pm

Quote:

Why let kids have cell phones at school in the first place?

A cell phone? I didn't read that. Yikes. Not having one, it didn't occur to me.

Charlie

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Kirk on May 7^th, 2005, 10:13pm

Mik ya Luddite /. = http://slashdot.org

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by mynm156 on May 7^th, 2005, 10:30pm

I would've been a little DEFIANT and PROFANE too if I it were me.

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Jonny on May 7^th, 2005, 10:50pm

It seems that due to so many negative phone calls and e-mails. the school has reduced the kids suspenion from ten days to three ;;D

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Drk^Angel on May 8^th, 2005, 12:47am

The one big problem I had with the story was how the school was hiding behind a policy of "10 days suspension or call the police". WTF? Oh my god!!! A student is using a cell phone! Call the police! Whatever happened to the days when schools didn't depend on the police to handle the discipline for a minor infraction? What's next? "He was 5 minutes tardy from lunch, so we had him sent to juvy. Zero tolerance ya know."

PFDAN................................ Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Jonny on May 8^th, 2005, 2:14am

Nuff said!!!

http://www.cyc-net.org/today2005/today050131.html

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by nani on May 8^th, 2005, 11:38am

Schools calling police on unruly grade school children, and having them cuffed and sometimes arrested is an alarming new trend. It's happening everyday, all over the US. This is something we should be making a lot of noise about...sadly, most parent's won't...unless it's their kid.

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by BarbaraD on May 8^th, 2005, 12:44pm

Nani you're right... Most parents don't "get involved" in school matters and that's a crying shame.

Why WOULD a kid NEED a cell phone in school? And NO I don't blame him for not hanging up if he was talking to his Mom in Iraq, but she could have called the school office just as easily and talked to him without all the fuss. But maybe that's too old fashioned.

Until parents start taking some responsibility and getting involved in their children we're not going to see any changes. We're just going to get more rules and regulations handed down from the government and our kids are going to be politically correct even if they can't read and write.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Ronny on May 8^th, 2005, 5:30pm

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by Jimmy_B on May 10^th, 2005, 7:35am

Update on this story....

http://us.cnn.com/2005/US/05/09/student.cellphone/index.html

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by LadyLuv on May 10^th, 2005, 10:57am

NO, I wouldn't have hung up...

But I feel that both sides probably handled it wrong...
Had he followed the first rule, no phones @ school.. than
the rest of the incident wouldn't have happened???

Peace & Blessings
LL

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by ghost62 on May 10^th, 2005, 11:21am

The problem is phones are allowed at the school you just cant use them.

There is also an unrelated incident at a school in Texas where a student was having an asthma attack and the secratary would not let him use the phone, the nurse was located at that time at another school in the disrtict. the student used his cell phone to call his mom to bring up his inhaler because the nurse again was not there to get the one at school. The school tried to suspend that student too, but after the threat of a suit for child endangerment they dropped the issue.

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by ckelly181 on May 10^th, 2005, 11:29am

The last line is interesting:

"The school, which is near Fort Benning, often arranges for students to receive calls from parents who are deployed with the military, Phillips said. More than 3,700 students in the district are from military families."

This school deals with overseas phone calls all the time from parents to kids. They also have a no-cell phone policy.

Perhaps the kid was unaware that there were acceptable means of talking to his mom that did not break school policy. Or, perhaps, he was just ignoring school policy.

Tough call. Sometimes teachers go bezerk when they shouldn't - sometimes kids do.

It's much sexier to report that the "school is insane" than "a student broke a rule."

Chris

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by ghost62 on May 10^th, 2005, 2:23pm

on 05/10/05 at 11:29:07, ckelly181 wrote:

This school deals with overseas phone calls all the time from parents to kids. They also have a no-cell phone policy.

the policy is actually no cell phone use during school hours, not no cell phones.
not to be pickey but there is a differance, they can have them just cant use them. I know it doesnt make sence to me either. ;)

on 05/10/05 at 11:29:07, ckelly181 wrote:

It's much sexier to report that the "school is insane" than "a student broke a rule."

? [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by seasonalboomer on May 10^th, 2005, 2:33pm

Where did this take place, France?

Title: Re: Would you hang up and obey?
Post by floridian on May 10^th, 2005, 5:58pm

on 05/10/05 at 14:23:46, ghost62 wrote:

It means students can take a phone to school as long as it is turned off and not used at school. That way, students can use the phone if they are driving to or from school and have a breakdown or accident. Students don't have to go home to get their phone before going to work or wherever they go after school.

Its part of the anti-patriotic, anti-Christian movement in the US. Here is another example - Jesus Christ himself cannot get a driver's license in West Virginia because the DMV employees are unfairly holding Mr. Christ to the same requirements that everyone else must meet.
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=60984672&p=6x984974