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Title: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by mynm156 on May 5th, 2005, 8:18pm I know I am a little behind the times but I just got the chance to watch this and while I am not one to believe everything that I read or see on TV or in the movies if even a fraction of these aligations are true................... it makes me ILL. If you have not seen this it is worth a look. Some of it comes off to me as Michael Moore spining it for the sake of the movie but WOW. The first 20 mins or so of the movie will REALL make you wonder. God bless our troops and civilians all over the world. PF days for us all MYNM156 |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 5th, 2005, 8:23pm Your a DUMBASS.... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 5th, 2005, 8:28pm If I want Mike Moore input on anything I will take his head off and dip out what I want..This clown needs to move to France or somplace else and shut up. And any other military desserter can join him! Ask me later and I will tell you how I really feel! [smiley=bigguns.gif] Rodger |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 5th, 2005, 8:31pm on 05/05/05 at 20:23:07, Jonny wrote:
I don't know Jonny, Bush looks like the Dumbass to me... http://www.metermill.com/bushpics/bush_monkey.jpg |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by mynm156 on May 5th, 2005, 8:34pm on 05/05/05 at 20:23:07, Jonny wrote:
Its pronounced DUMAAS Jonny get it right and wrap your lips around my attitude. Nothing but LOVE baby hahahahah |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 5th, 2005, 8:38pm on 05/05/05 at 20:31:26, bigAl wrote:
I see you take pleasure in posting pics of people of film threads where you could make anyone on earth look bad, Sal.....just makes your love for that fat commie mike moore look more like a love story....get a life, Dude ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 5th, 2005, 8:44pm on 05/05/05 at 20:38:43, Jonny wrote:
Hey, he's got bigger tits than most the women I know... http://passtheammo.com/images/temp/fat-bastard-michael-moore-s.jpg |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 5th, 2005, 8:51pm on 05/05/05 at 20:44:47, bigAl wrote:
That is one of the best pics of mikey moore I have seen. Rodger |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ccbiggsoo7 on May 5th, 2005, 9:32pm OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE !! :o |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 5th, 2005, 9:33pm on 05/05/05 at 21:32:00, ccbiggsoo7 wrote:
Open my eyes to what the lies of our goverment or the lies from Hollywood? |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 5th, 2005, 9:42pm on 05/05/05 at 21:33:15, medic1852 wrote:
Here Here! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 5th, 2005, 9:50pm "Only two things are infinate, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe..." -Albert Einstien ... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by purpleydog on May 5th, 2005, 10:02pm on 05/05/05 at 20:44:47, bigAl wrote:
Oh god... [smiley=eek.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by purpleydog on May 5th, 2005, 10:03pm on 05/05/05 at 21:50:48, maffumatt wrote:
One of my favorite quotes. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by sandie99 on May 6th, 2005, 4:33am Guys, TAKE IT EASY. Have you ever heard that there's two sides to every story? I love to hear both before making up my mind. It's possible to agree to disagree. :) It's like a Manic Street Preachers album title, This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours - kind of thing. Now, as a Finn, educated in both Finland and UK and lifetime lover of US entertainment, I can't comment on what Mr Moore does. I look at it all through different glasses. But what I DO think is that when someone gets irritated about some issue, that proves that there's something that the nation/person/company/whatever needs to deal with. I think it's everyone's right to know all the sides of the story - whether we like it or not. Nobody's perfect, so nobody can really throw stones.... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Gator on May 6th, 2005, 12:11pm No, Sandy, where Michael Moore is concerned, there are numerous incidents where he has been proven to make it up as he goes along and has even admitted to twisting the facts to make his point, versus presenting the truth. His movies are not documentaries, they are entertainment presented in pseudo documentary style. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by nani on May 6th, 2005, 12:19pm But they're funny as hell and he doesn't change the FACTS...just the spin on them. Somebody's got to change the Fox news spin.... Somewhere in the middle of the spin extremes lies the truth. I urge everyone to see it ALL and form an opinion that isn't spoon fed to you. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by sandie99 on May 6th, 2005, 1:01pm on 05/06/05 at 12:19:10, nani wrote:
Ditto! My point excatly! :) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by mynm156 on May 6th, 2005, 2:49pm I just love it when we all get cranked up... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 6th, 2005, 3:12pm on 05/06/05 at 14:49:01, mynm156 wrote:
LMMFAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by TomM on May 6th, 2005, 3:34pm on 05/05/05 at 21:50:48, maffumatt wrote:
on 05/05/05 at 22:03:14, purpleydog wrote:
One of my favorite persons. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by BobG on May 6th, 2005, 4:16pm Michael Moore is an ass. Please, somebody shoot him. That's all. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 6th, 2005, 6:36pm He's a fat slob to be sure which doesn't help his cause but the truth hurts. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/moron.jpg Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 6th, 2005, 6:54pm http://www.mooreexposed.com/ Should a 400 lb man advise us on the evils of over-consumption? Should the resident of a million-dollar apartment claim to be a poster boy of the working class? Should a person who thought that Enron was a great investment, that Ralph Nader, Wesley Clark and John Kerry would win, and that North Korea's Kim Jong was changing for the better, advise us on ANYTHING? |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 6th, 2005, 7:38pm The truth is that he got reelected, republicans controls the house and the senate. Is that the truth that is causeing you so much pain? If Bush is such a Moron, why couldnt you guys come up with a canadate to beat him? |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 6th, 2005, 7:44pm I repeat that the truth hurts. And...oh.. It turns out Little Kim has a place all set up for his nuclear bomb test. Satellite photos are indicating this. Some think they they see a reviewing stand. I can only hope that it's close enough. This is how George Bush handles North Korea. Nuclear powers have been alerted so that the wrong button isn't pushed. Ah....shades of the 1950s and 1960s. Thank god Bush has allowed us something to think about. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 6th, 2005, 7:48pm on 05/06/05 at 19:44:35, Charlie wrote:
What is your source for this information, Charlie ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 6th, 2005, 8:14pm Clinton bought off the North Koreans off with nuclear reactors fuel oil and rice, not to build a bomb. The North Koreans cheated even when clinton was in power. Would you have Bush make the same mistake? What next, are you going to blame him for alien abductions? Been probed lately? |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 6th, 2005, 9:10pm Quote:
New York Times, Friday the 6th, page 1, last column. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by jokrs2 on May 6th, 2005, 9:13pm And "Yes" Lets not forget that clinton released sensative nuclear documents to N. Korea while they were still classified, pardoned Rich who was involved in the food for oil scandal, and the list of clintons character failures are TOO numerous to mention....oh and by the way have you noticed that all of the people who could have testified against the clintons have disappeared or are dead. (whitewater) :-X |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 6th, 2005, 9:17pm Every wacko Bush freak blames Clinton for everything from sunspots to lousy TV programs. Typical. Clinton tried to get NK to knock off the bomb building during his term by offering to reinstate trade with China in order to feed them. Too simple and even during speeches since his term he says it would be nice if the same thing could offered. It's Bush's turn. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by BigRick on May 6th, 2005, 9:17pm on 05/05/05 at 20:23:07, Jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by jokrs2 on May 6th, 2005, 9:18pm In addition I used to work for a "top secret" entity and N. Korea is not a threat as their county can be burnt to a cinder within a foot of it's borders. (as well as any others) That's why all we hear about are the little squeeeeeks by the little people/countries. Believe it or not. ;) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 6th, 2005, 9:28pm Oh yeah, Life is so much better under Bush. The economy is just hopping and everybody has a job that pays just fine. Lucky us. We went from record surplus to record deficits and it's not all because of the war. Of course now god is a Republican and you better play ball. The dollar is worth peanuts in Europe. Something I wrote after the election that still applies: Your boy won which is great for those who don't think much of the Bill of Rights, separation of church and state, sensible drug prices and access to health care, the environment, scientific research and progressive teaching, think that censorship is a good idea, think lying to Congress and the country is just fine, think it's cool to un-fund most of the programs promised in 2000 while being a doormat for every big corporation by cutting back on safety, overtime, and just about anything they want, allowing them to cut or end pensions, send jobs to India so they don't have to pay real wages, like the idea of setting up a Medicare prescription drug plan that is so convoluted that it's more trouble than it's worth and benefits drug companies and HMOs at levels hard to comprehend, that cutting veterans hospitals and making it more difficult to use them is a good idea, don't mind underpaying our military, think auto makers and ex-oil company execs fit right in the environmental and health departments, that refusing to fully pay New York firefighters what was promised is just fine, that blowing the historic chance after 9-11 when we had the cooperation of everybody by behaving like a small child to the rest of the world is fine, that tying foreign aid to abortion and domestic politics is great, trying everything possible to eliminate federal programs that have kept the country stable for 70 years (New Deal), hires horrors like John Ashcroft to guard our civil rights, and that pretty much checks to see if religious zealots approve before acting, and whose leader said Sweden has no army and that Poland was a big ally in Iraq.......should be very happy that their boy has been returned to the White House to do his best to make life harder for you and me. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 6th, 2005, 9:28pm on 05/06/05 at 19:38:50, maffumatt wrote:
Hey, I didn't say Bush was a Moron, it's just that he looks like a moron (and acts like one too often). Repukelicans....Demorats....they're all the same...money in--bullshit out. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by jokrs2 on May 6th, 2005, 9:32pm Nobody gets to know who I vote for...ain't it great. ;;D Looks like Tony Blair might get elected to a 3rd term... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Ueli on May 6th, 2005, 10:15pm Hey Charlie, watch out what you write, or you will end up on the shitlist of KOPita too.... :D [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 6th, 2005, 10:27pm on 05/06/05 at 21:28:19, Charlie wrote:
Blah blah blah...If your so educated take a look at history..Lets start with the dollars for peanuts...under the infamous Clinton regiem what was the yen exchange rate...110 yen to the dollar..I can remember 250 yen to the dollar...now for the lying to congress statement....."I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...would my wife believe that if I got a hummer....Drug prices...well that is a good one..seems to me that the democrats allowed drug companies to place patents on their new meds so no generic could be made for seven years after the drug was introduced to the public....lets see oh unemployment...Democrats are for the working man...dont piss on my back and tell me its raining...I was fired for organizing a union....went to federal court under a democrat pres...won my case put on apeal....stayed on apeal and told by the union international there was nothing they could do...then a republican press took office and the international said dont expect anything under a republican...well the apeal was setteled under a republican and I went back to work under a republican and was unemployeed under a democrat...oh as for vetrans benifits DONT EVEN GO THERE...dear Mr. Clinton put many soldiers on food stamps and medicaid cards due to cutting benifits and base closers...So dont even try to blame that one on the republican.. oh and by the way the democrats never voted for a pay raise for the military it was always the republicans so forget that route bud....Now my point to my ranting is that it doesnt really matter who is in office be it republican or democrat. what matters is who gets what done..Look at their records and dont blame the other party..your probably one of those whiners who vote straight ticket which is the most stupid and irresponsible things you as an american can do....As for the New York Times how may lies ahve they been caught telling in the past few years..that is about as reliable as the National Inquirer... Just my 2 cents Rodger. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 7th, 2005, 12:24am Matthew 23:1 1 ¶ THEN spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples... Matthew 23:13 13 ¶ But woe unto you, republicans and democrats, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Matthew 23:14 14 Woe unto you, republicans and democrats, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Matthew 23:15 15 Woe unto you, republicans and democrats, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves... Matthew 23:23 23 Woe unto you, republicans and democrats, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:24 24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Matthew 23:25 25 Woe unto you, republicans and democrats, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Matthew 23:26 26 [Thou] blind politician, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Matthew 23:27 27 Woe unto you, republicans and democrats, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. Matthew 23:28 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Matthew 23:29 29 Woe unto you, republicans and democrats, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, Matthew 23:33 33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by sandie99 on May 7th, 2005, 1:32am on 05/06/05 at 14:49:01, mynm156 wrote:
Makes life interesting, eh? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 7th, 2005, 3:03am Quote:
This is my favorite. They never stop. This is the second silliest argument by neo conservatives. They just don't like the Times nor any paper or media that isn't owned by Rupert Murdock or worse. The silliest argument by these selective moralists?: Bill Clinton and his libido. The Republican party wasted upwards of 50 million of our dollars trying to pin a scarlet "A" on him because when he rolled over, he had some fun; not to please ranting puritans with money. Time has shown that no one ever needed a blow job more than George Bush. Shame on Democrats for letting screeching talk show hosts and the Carl Roves destroy what used to be my party. They let them get away with vicious name-calling and out and out lies; even against John McCain when it suited them. What I wrote applied then and it applies now. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by mynm156 on May 7th, 2005, 3:14am on 05/07/05 at 01:32:39, sandie99 wrote:
Yeah just watch my next post will be about flag burning or some religious point.. I like to start this stuff up at like last hour before closing the bar. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by BobG on May 7th, 2005, 3:44am on 05/07/05 at 03:14:26, mynm156 wrote:
How about a post about burning religious flags. Or, religiously burning flags. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by floridian on May 7th, 2005, 8:41am While Moore is occasionally hyperbolic, it seems that MI-6 agrees with one of the basic ideas in his film. Quote:
Lying to get us into a war that costs thousands of lives and billions of dollars - makes Clinton's office escapades with Monica seem pretty harmless. And FWIW, Clinton was not the cause of the base closings that Medic1852 is lamenting ... the Pentagon wanted those so they could shift resources into modernizing, the Pentagon created a blue ribbon panel to decide which ones to close, and Congress took a straight up/down vote (no ammendments possible) and said yes to it. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by BobG on May 7th, 2005, 8:58am Hmmm... Clinton (sort of) "did not have sex with that women". OK, a little fib cause the wife was pissed. The Repooplicons wanted to impeach Bill for cheating on his wife and trying to hide it. ALL husbands would do that. Bush starts a war that is costing billions of bucks and thousands of people are getting killed. A war against a crazy man that was no threat to the USA. Can you say "OIL". Where are the Rebumblingcans now with the "Impeach, Impeach, Impeach!" |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 7th, 2005, 9:28am on 05/07/05 at 03:03:05, Charlie wrote:
As for your comment about News Rags I read none of them they post the truth as veiwed by who ever fills their wallet. Neo conservawho...not me, I am about as radical as it comes.. Yeah I will agree that they should not have spent all that money on a hummer for Slick Willy Clinton, but that comment was directed towards the part of democrats not lieing to congress thats a hoot. Well we republicans may bring up the hummer, but die hard Democrats always justify that hummer say the republicans wasted millions of dollars investigating it. My opinion it would have been cheaper for ole Bill to go out a buy a prostitute out in public or went to a cat house in Nevada. Just not try and hide it who cares. So you may have no problems of what you post, becareful casue the truth hurts sometimes..Oh why did you stay away from the union and unemployment issue? Just wondered Rodger. The reason for the edits and I know they are still there. Is spell check I have left myself open to the spelling sharks and dont want to hear it from that end. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by BobG on May 7th, 2005, 9:41am Quote:
How do you know he hasn't? He did visit Vegas quite a few times. And to be PC, they are not cat houses. They are w'hore houses. Quote:
I won't try to answer for Charlie. But, IMHO, the unions have pretty much improved unemployment situation. Now what we need is for the unions to work on the employment situation. BobG - RINO P.S. modify to add Why can you say fuck here but w h o r e comes out sleeper. Probably a republican thing. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 7th, 2005, 9:51am on 05/07/05 at 09:41:00, BobG wrote:
The problem with unions now in my humble opinion is that when Reagan (republican) busted patco he took the teeth away from the union, thus making the unions weaker and hurting the working class. As for saying fuck and sleeper, I dont know. I think it is a wonderful word it can be used so widley to express a lot. I just chose not to use sleeper. there are some words that women dont like to see or hear. Like sleeper, and i will stay away from the big c word. Rodger |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by E-Double on May 7th, 2005, 10:07am on 05/07/05 at 09:51:48, medic1852 wrote:
I am staying out of this for the most part because I am a heartless moderate [smiley=laugh.gif]but one thing really got under my skin..... The use of the word "sleeper" that is just wrong [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] Love the censor ;) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 7th, 2005, 11:11am Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller Family has been born: Four great grandchildren. Along with all the other members of our close-knit family — they are my and Shirley’s most precious possessions. And I know that’s how you feel about your family also. Like you, I think of their future, the promises and the perils they will face. Like you, I believe that the next four years will determine what kind of world they will grow up in. And like you, I ask which leader is it today that has the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family? The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party. There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and that man’s name is George Bush. In the summer of 1940, I was an eight-year-old boy living in a remote little Appalachian valley. Our country was not yet at war but even we children knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us if they could. President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told America “all private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an overriding public danger.” In 1940 Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee. And there is no better example of someone repealing their “private plans” than this good man. He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a peacetime draft, an unpopular idea at the time. And he made it clear that he would rather lose the election than make national security a partisan campaign issue. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 7th, 2005, 11:13am Shortly before Wilkie died he told a friend, that if he could write his own epitaph and had to choose between “here lies a president” or “here lies one who contributed to saving freedom”, he would prefer the latter. Where are such statesmen today? Where is the bi-partisanship in this country when we need it most? Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat’s manic obsession to bring down our Commander-in-Chief. What has happened to the party I’ve spent my life working in? I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny. It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city. Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today. Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today’s Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators. Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers. Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers. Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers. Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don’t just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home. For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag. No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this country if he doesn’t believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home. But don’t waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution. They don’t believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy. It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter’s pacifism would lead to peace. They were wrong. They claimed Reagan’s defense buildup would lead to war. They were wrong. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 7th, 2005, 11:14am And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror. Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but Americans need to know the facts. The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40% of the bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom. The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein’s command post in Iraq. The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi’s Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora. The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles, that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation’s Capital and this very city after 9/11. I could go on and on and on: Against the Patriot Missile that shot down Saddam Hussein’s scud missiles over Israel, Against the Aegis air-defense cruiser, Against the Strategic Defense Initiative, Against the Trident missile, against, against, against. This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed Forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs? Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty weeks of campaign rhetoric. Campaign talk tells people who you want them to think you are. How you vote tells people who you really are deep inside. Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if approved by the United Nations. Kerry would let Paris decide when America needs defending. I want Bush to decide. John Kerry, who says he doesn’t like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security. That’s the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This politician wants to be leader of the free world. Free for how long? For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protestor, Kerry blamed our military. As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for our troops in harms way, far-away. George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats. John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday’s war. George Bush believes we have to fight today’s war and be ready for tomorrow’s challenges. George Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out terrorists. No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl under. George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to get a better grip. From John Kerry, they get a “yes-no-maybe” bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies and confuse our friends. I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors together. I admire this man. I am moved by the respect he shows the First Lady, his unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America. I can identify with someone who has lived that line in “Amazing Grace,” “Was blind, but now I see,” and I like the fact that he’s the same man on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning. He is not a slick talker but he is a straight shooter and, where I come from, deeds mean a lot more than words. I have knocked on the door of this man’s soul and found someone home, a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel. The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family. This election will change forever the course of history, and that’s not any history. It’s our family’s history. The only question is how. The answer lies with each of us. And, like many generations before us, we’ve got some hard choosing to do. Right now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted, self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world. In this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up. And this Democrat is proud to stand up with him. Thank you. God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush. —- |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 7th, 2005, 11:15am Zel MIller, I would vote for him. He has something most democrats have lost. Class. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 7th, 2005, 4:03pm http://www.azcentral.com/phpAPP/multimedia/index.php?type=video&path=rtsp://helix.azcentral.com/encoder/azcentral/roofcam.rm&sec=&sponsor=qwest@Middle1%3fx%3f=&HTTP_REFERER=http://www.azcentral.com/news/scanner.html |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 7th, 2005, 4:04pm Democrats did just fine during WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. They aren't wimps when it comes to war. Wendell Willkie is one of my favorite Republicans. He did more than expected. He made us proud because he knew what was important. This is the kind of man I miss in my old party. Sadly, today such men are villified for anything resembling bipartisanship. John McCain is the prime example. Members of your right wing at one time accused him of having illegitimate children in Vietnam, during his primary New Hampshire campaign. Shameful. There is no comparison between what Democrats say about Bush and the disgusting assault by neo-conservatives on Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry. None at all. Republicans fought tooth and nail against the draft in 1940. It passed by one vote. FDR did his best to prepare for war when many businesses thought they could deal with Hitler. The GOP has no monopoly on protecting our country. I'm not well-versed on labor which is why I don't say much about it but I do know that it was the modern GOP that tried very hard limit union political contributions. Democrats are the party of labor, not the GOP. Invading Iraq got rid of that horror, Saddam Hussein which is fine but I worry that by doing so, Bush & Co. might as well have printed recruiting posters for the bin Ladens of that part of the world. bin Laden is still the target, you know. I'm glad that I didn't vote for George Bush who makes speeches against Syria and its history of torture and then condones sending espionage prisoners there for a little "persuasion." This is not what I expect from our leader. I've been waiting to see just one instance where he demonstrated his so-called "compassionate conservativism." So far, no luck. Giving a pass on taxes for buying Humvees and tax breaks to the rich aren't what the rest of us have in mind. He wants us to invest in Treasury bonds should "privatizing" Social Security become law. That that is the same thing used now by Social Security to guarantee the fund isn't relevant, I guess. Wonderful and with fees for you and me. Leave no stockbroker behind. He and his ilk aren't interesting in fixing Social Security, they want to kill it. I love this little country too and that is why I'm no fan of George Bush. I miss George the 1st. Like Reagan, he had his foot in the door of sanity and some knowledge of what it's like for the rest of us. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Lizzie2 on May 7th, 2005, 4:14pm I think I've posted this before, but it's a good one: "Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs." I forget who said it, but it's in my quote book lying around my room somewhere! |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 7th, 2005, 8:40pm a. an expanded Federal role in education, b. record setting subsidies for pro-abortion and pro-homosexual organizations, c. increased funding for the United Nations, d. the attempted extension of Bill Clinton's assault weapons ban (blocked in Congress), e. social Security benefits for illegal aliens who have returned to Mexico, f. the ongoing reduction of the U.S. Navy (which now stands at 289 ships, compared to 600 under Ronald Reagan), g. amnesty for illegal aliens, h. nominees for the Federal judiciary and the Office of Attorney General who espouse the doctrine that Roe v. Wade is 'settled law', i. support for Food and Drug Administration policies approving the abortion 'pill', RU-486, which has been used to kill scores of thousands of unborn children, j. overturning Ronald Reagan's decision to withdraw from UNESCO, k. increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts, l. multi-billion dollar support for the Federal Legal Services Corporation and its 25,000 left-wing legal activists, m. murder-abetting assistance to the Communist government in Angola, n. historically high multi-trillion dollar fiscal deficits and trade deficits, o. a multi-trillion dollar Medicare entitlement program, p. a $20 million 'New Freedom' program to evaluate the mental health of 53 million students in the government schools. q. enactment of the McCain-Feingold campaign regulation law which criminalizes free speech, r. support for the U.N. Law of the Sea Treaty (UNLOST) which President Reagan rejected, s. endorsement of homosexual 'civil unions', t. promotion of FTAA, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO, u. a too broadly drawn Patriot Act with its outrageous 'sneak and peek' provisions, and many more things, a significant proportion of which would have been blocked by a Republican Congress had a Democrat President proposed them." |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 8th, 2005, 12:28pm I'm not going over each one of these but this poorly focused Republican controlled Congress' stance on a significant number of them are exactly why it's either a horror to me and a shame to the country. Its leaders have discovered ways to win elections by running shallow zealots that win on one or two social issues that have no business in politics but belong to pulpit-pounders and fanatics. The three "Gs:" God, guns, and gays. Only one of those belongs in American politics. Mostly, they rant about abortion which wins a big chunk of the perceived right-leaning Christian vote. It works; it's sad. Hopefully, we will grow up and behave like serious people and rejoin western civilization rather than live in a country where its leaders want religion to trump science, hack away at the Bill of Rights and govern by fear-inducing appeals to easily frightened moralists and shallowest thinkers. The world is too complicated to govern by wasting millions ranting at the ACLU and "activist judges." They're only upset because their activist judges aren't all in charge. They're the ones who want nothing but single-minded acitivists on our courts. It's all they talk about. Basically, get serious and deal with the real world, and stay out of our hospitals, bedrooms and media. There are world-wide issues and some dangerous people out there that need our attention. Some of it is an appeal to isolation. It's dangerous and doesn't work. Conservatives are supposed to go slowly, watch our pocketbooks, make joining our military something viable for families, (they are not and recruiting is a real problem) limit legislation, not try to meddle in every little thing and govern by selective and dubious morality. Charlie (we could use a little humor now) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Simon on May 8th, 2005, 3:33pm How I've missed a good old political rant. :) Please help me though - is maffumatt quoting from someone (apologies if I've missed it)? I can sympathise with some of it, be puzzled by more of it (cultural ignorance on my part no doubt), and be incensed by the rest - but surely no one could actually believe it all? Dolly BTW I have tried teaching you all this before. US troops only joined in WWII after the US was attacked. It was the UK and France (yes, FRANCE!) who declared war on Germany for invading Poland. Must have the huge Warsaw oil fields... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 8th, 2005, 3:43pm http://www.hannity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 I copied it from here. To tell the truth I am not even that political. I just love watching Charlie get his panties in a bind. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 8th, 2005, 5:02pm on 05/08/05 at 15:43:55, maffumatt wrote:
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 8th, 2005, 5:10pm on 05/08/05 at 15:33:13, Simon wrote:
France?...They cant declare jackshit France delared WAR on Germany?.....LMMFAO [smiley=laugh.gif] Try the Germans rolled in and France shit their pants and went belly up......decleard WAR....ROTFF ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by LeLimey on May 8th, 2005, 5:15pm S'true Jonny!! France has always been good at shouting its mouth off and then running away and hiding like a big girls blouse. All mouth and no trousers... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 8th, 2005, 8:02pm Simon: Sean Hannity is a cable tv broadcaster who does loud interviews for that darling of the right, Rupert Murdock who I believe counts The Times as part of his media empire. He's good at what he does. It strikes me that it can't be a good thing that it's so easy to ignore other points of view since the advent of cable news. I doubt that I'm alone in this. The French......are well, the French. They have never been easy to understand, Their little corporal though made life miserable for everybody for 15 years or so. To be fair, French was a second language for him. Still, the Old Guard was something until Wellington..... hmm...the French never got around him in Spain either. What's nice is that the German's little corporal finally got his nose bloodied because with Britain he ran into a modern air force. Good show. Charlie, who needs to shut up now http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/blind.gif |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 9th, 2005, 5:48am on 05/08/05 at 17:10:21, Jonny wrote:
Jonny you are so WRONG....France can declare somthing and stand behind it....... France as a nation Declares an unconditional SURRENDER to any nation that threatend an invasion. So see France can declare somthing... Now I will do my happy dance cause I can call Jonny his favorite phrase.... DUMBASS! [smiley=shore.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=bigguns.gif]Rodger. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Ueli on May 9th, 2005, 11:59am France can declare that it does not support a war planned to conquer some oil fields. (It's a sovereign state, you know.) France has a Prime Minister that listens to his people, not like Tony Blair, Berlusconi or the Spanish guy who already got the requital for this omission. For this, France is slandered by some narrow-minded believers of fairy tales, most of which couldn't point to France on a map. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 9th, 2005, 12:01pm Quote:
I know this from Bob Wills. Is it part of something else too? Just wondering. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Bob P on May 9th, 2005, 1:10pm Oh man!!! How did I miss this thread for so long. So many good chances to inflame our resident neo-libs! Freakin' clusters are runing all my fun! |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Hirvimaki on May 9th, 2005, 1:42pm on 05/09/05 at 11:59:53, Ueli wrote:
Off topic. My France story. When I was 13 I went to France on a school trip - yes I went to the kind of school that has class trips to France if you are taking French. I was so excited. And then to my horror, I realised that I do not like the French very much. I found them to be rude, arrogant and pushy (yes, I realise many of you would count these among my better qualities, but BITE ME!). I left France feeling less than loving toward the French and never took French again in school. Fast forward six years and I was once again in France on a trip through Europe. Surely I must have been mistaken in my youth. But no, this time around, not only did I find the French to be rude, arrogant and pushy, but I realised the cities were dirty and vulgar. Paris disgusted me. I left France liking the French even less. Fast forward four more years. I was living in Finland. To pass the time - and so my wife would not sell me on the black market - I enrolled at a Finnish for Foreigners class at the University. I shared the class with people from all over the world. Yeah! I love different cultures. But when it came time to pair up the students, the teacher picked the guy from America (little old me) and the guy from France. I was less than overjoyed. Karma bites HARD sometimes. Reluctantly I did the required class work with my Frenchie friend. And with time, I actually got to know him. And to my horror, I actually decided he was a very nice guy. Now I felt guilty. I had misjudged an entire nation! I was culpable of prejudice and perhaps national bigotry. I decided to confess to my new friend my sins. We went out for coffee one day after class and in a stumbling, embarrassed apology I told him that I had never really liked France or the French. I used my experiences as an excuse, hoping he would somehow grant me the forgiveness of his nation. He stared at me for a few moments and then asked me, "Do you know why I left France and came to Finland?" "No," I confessed. He shrugged and said, "I don't like French people. I have always found them to be rude, arrogant and pushy." Hirvimaki-Isi |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 9th, 2005, 1:52pm on 05/09/05 at 12:01:03, Charlie wrote:
Your so damn smart you figure it out....... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by LeLimey on May 9th, 2005, 2:00pm Hirv my old fruit.. Vous parlez francais comme un vache espagnol ;) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Slammy on May 9th, 2005, 2:05pm Kerry Lost! :o Get over it. :D Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Hirvimaki on May 9th, 2005, 3:09pm on 05/09/05 at 14:00:44, LeLimey wrote:
Merci. Me mordre! But only because it is YOU! Scooby snack? Hirvimaki-Isi |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 9th, 2005, 6:32pm Quote:
http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/WKOSIT sign.png Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 9th, 2005, 6:47pm on 05/09/05 at 18:32:14, Charlie wrote:
Just me being a horses ass...It was something my grandfather used to say..it always stuck with me..sort of like I was the runt of the whole family...all my cusins were at least 6 foot tall...and i barely reach 5 foot 6 and when i was a kid he used to call me a little giant...cause i would hang in there on a football game no matter how rough it got. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2005, 7:04pm 100 possibly killed in U.S. offensive Associated Press May. 9, 2005 12:25 PM BAGHDAD, Iraq - American troops backed by helicopters and war planes launched a major offensive against followers of Iraq's most wanted insurgent, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in a desert area near the Syrian border, and as many as 100 militants were killed, U.S. officials said Monday. Marines, sailors and soldiers from Regimental Combat Team 2, 2nd Marine Division, were conducting the offensive in an area north of the Euphrates River, in the al-Jazirah Desert, a known smuggling route and sanctuary for foreign insurgents, the U.S. military said. The brief statement did not specify when the operation began, how many troops were involved, or whether there had been any American casualties. But U.S. military spokesmen later said the offensive started on Saturday and that it had killed as many as 100 militants. The military also reported that two U.S. Marines were killed in the area on Sunday and one on Monday. advertisement A senior U.S. military official said the operation is targeting a group of al-Zarqawi followers believed to be operating in the area. He spoke on condition of anonymity. ....................................;;D Edit to add....Do you think ABC, CBS or NBC will EVER give us a body count on the scumbags we are fighting? Why is it that we always hear how many Americans are dieing but NEVER how many of those scumbags are dead?......WHY? |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 9th, 2005, 7:08pm I'd walk a mile to "SMOKE A CAMEL"! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2005, 7:12pm on 05/09/05 at 19:08:57, ghost62 wrote:
Dont let Don hear that...he may just grow a hump or two ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 9th, 2005, 7:13pm on 05/09/05 at 19:12:03, Jonny wrote:
LMMFAO [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] :o :o my name aint lance ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2005, 7:18pm on 05/09/05 at 19:13:38, ghost62 wrote:
Ever hear the phrase "Smok'em if you got'em"? Don will ALWAYS smok'em if YOU got'em ;;D......Names mean nothing to him ;;D Edit to add....Don once moved to England cause he heard you could smoke FAGS in public :o |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 9th, 2005, 7:23pm and drive from the passanger side |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2005, 7:32pm on 05/09/05 at 19:23:53, ghost62 wrote:
Man, thats a can of worms even I wont open.....LMAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 9th, 2005, 7:35pm on 05/09/05 at 19:32:45, Jonny wrote:
HE HE HE he said worms [smiley=laugh.gif] ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by mynm156 on May 9th, 2005, 7:50pm on 05/09/05 at 05:48:33, medic1852 wrote:
Do I smell a JUNGLE CLONE? ROFLMFAO!!!! |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2005, 7:53pm http://www.azcentral.com/phpAPP/multimedia/index.php?type=video&path=rtsp://helix.azcentral.com/encoder/azcentral/roofcam.rm&sec=&sponsor=qwest@Middle1%3fx%3f=&HTTP_REFERER=http://www.azcentral.com/news/scanner.html |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 9th, 2005, 8:14pm on 05/09/05 at 19:50:50, mynm156 wrote:
Ok...can someone explain this to me cause I dont get it? |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2005, 8:16pm on 05/09/05 at 20:14:26, medic1852 wrote:
Nor did I, thats why I put the flag up.....LMAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by don on May 9th, 2005, 8:20pm CAMEL HUNTING http://photos.yafro.com/pics2/i/20040627/2/4/3/5/b/2435b6edef852f677e9bb3653b2ba6520_full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 9th, 2005, 8:22pm on 05/09/05 at 20:20:26, don wrote:
You better check your aim before you fire...or your going to miss...nsf! |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2005, 8:23pm on 05/09/05 at 20:20:26, don wrote:
Are you sure that aint scoping out camels for smoking? ;;D Im going to bed....take your best shot.....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by don on May 9th, 2005, 9:30pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 10th, 2005, 1:20am Quote:
Not a problem and thanks. It's something I've never heard except from Bob Wills during his countless comments during Texas Playboys solos. Strange saying and while I understand it, I wondered if anyone knew where it started. You're not a horses ass anymore than I am.....oops... I'm not sure how you'll take that coming from me :o Keep on posting and stay frosty and PF 8) Mean old Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by floridian on May 10th, 2005, 12:51pm on 05/09/05 at 19:04:03, Jonny wrote:
Yes, they have reported estimates of enemy casualties all along. It was the US military that didn't release estimates for the first years of the war. US Attack in Iraq Kills 100 Insurgents: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=742683 According to CNN: US soldiers have killed 100 insurgents near the Iraq / Syria border May 9, 2005, 23:56 A brief military statement said 75 rebels have been killed. There was no word on U.S. casualties. http://www.nbc17.com/military/4466157/detail.html "As the Marine task force swept through the area near the Syrian border the past few days, it killed 100 insurgents and raided desert outposts and city safe houses belonging to insurgents who have used the area to import cars, money, weapons, and foreigners to fight United States and Iraqi forces in Baghdad, Mosul and other cities, American military officials said Monday." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/10/international/middleeast/10cnd-iraq.html?hp&ex=1115784000&en=9b70ca4559608500&ei=5094&partner=homepage Your whining is pathetic, Jonny ... totally disconnected from reality. Maybe you are working on the assumption that it doesn't matter if it is true, if people repeat it often enough ... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by sandie99 on May 10th, 2005, 1:24pm on 05/09/05 at 19:12:03, Jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by seasonalboomer on May 10th, 2005, 1:31pm Just wanted to throw in my own irrelevant anectdotal crap into the fray. I went to France last year. Everyone was very nice. The country is beautiful, Paris was fabulous, and I didn't have one negative experience in 8 days. It was obvious I was American and I didn't get one bit of rude behavior. So what if a large percentage of people think Bush is a "cowboy" that shouldn't be the leader of the world's preeminent superpower. That makes them exactly the same as the U.S. and most of the rest of the world. Vive La France! |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 10th, 2005, 1:55pm POPCORN need alot of POPCORN ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jimmy_B on May 10th, 2005, 2:12pm Don't forget the help the French gave us during our fight for independence and with out the French resistance, World War II would have cost a lot more lives and may have had a different outcome. We're all in this World, together. Jimmy |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by vig on May 10th, 2005, 2:21pm yeah, and don't forget crepes and macrame.... where would we be without them? [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 10th, 2005, 2:25pm and them bent rolls |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by seasonalboomer on May 10th, 2005, 2:31pm News Flash: "There has been an official hijacking of thread Farenheit 9/11 by the French" |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 10th, 2005, 2:35pm on 05/10/05 at 14:12:44, Jimmy_B wrote:
Why why why, did I look. I had to. I should not have but I did, so here goes... Our fight for independence..dont make me laugh, yes the Frogs supported us and said they would back us...but check your history books and find out what kind of support and when the help they sent arrived. WW2 what help did the resistence offer other than someone to help play both sides of the fence. Lets see lets not forget Veitnam...ooops did I go there, yeah I did. So since I went there might as well finish. Wasnt Veitnam a French colony and then they started getting their asses whipped so who do they call...Yep you got it. The USA. Lets see what else I can pull out of my hat...oh yeah they showed us a short cut to Lybia when we payed Kadaffy Duck a visit in Lybia at 3am... Other than french frys, french toast and french rolls they can kiss me where the good lord split me! ::) Just my 2 cents Rodger [smiley=bigguns.gif] [smiley=stfu.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by thomas on May 10th, 2005, 2:35pm on 05/10/05 at 14:12:44, Jimmy_B wrote:
But if the French would have "resisted" the Germans a little earlier, we wouldn't have lost so many boys on the beaches of Normandy. They capitulated to the Krauts, no amount of revision will change that fact. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 10th, 2005, 2:35pm on 05/10/05 at 14:31:31, seasonalboomer wrote:
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 10th, 2005, 2:39pm on 05/10/05 at 14:35:39, thomas wrote:
Lets see and check that one out....but did we not meet french resistence and worry about some of our boys when we hit some of the beaches due to the fact some of the key point of intrest were occupied by the french resistence and did they not fire on allied troops to help prevent a landing and when they felt over whelmed did they not then decide hey i tierd of learnen german. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by seasonalboomer on May 10th, 2005, 2:43pm on 05/10/05 at 14:39:25, medic1852 wrote:
What language is that? Is that in French? Vive Le France!!!! |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 10th, 2005, 5:20pm Don't forget F.I.T.A. The French gave us F.I.T.A. http://www.archery-fita.org/press_releases/NewYork_Image/image005.jpg [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 10th, 2005, 6:05pm Aside from curious teachings of history here, French bashing by adult Americans, in or out of government, is infantile. It's not something well intentioned governments such as ours do. This is similar to the anti-United Nations rants by people we have elected to represent our interests. The thing about the latter is that with all its faults and lack of gumption, it's a damn good idea. It's fallen flat many times but not without a shove. Using it for a whipping boy by dull legislators and leaders shows lack of ability and poor aim. It needs our help. We owe it to ourselves if nothing else. It was that kind of simplistic thinking that brought about much of the pain and oceans of blood during the last century. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 10th, 2005, 6:50pm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3686173.stm http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/story.jsp?story=524674 http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0304/p01s01-woaf.html http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/02/15/un.congo.peacekeepers/ http://www.haitiaction.net/News/HAC/hac6_23_4.html http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UN_troops_accused_of_rape_in_Congo%3B_UN_staff_suspended_due_to_Iraq_Oil-for-Food_corruption http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/031900-01.htm http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/subjindx/134peac2.htm http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/un_monitor/in_our_opinion/unjust_tribunal.htm http://www.americandaily.com/article/2766 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/568566.stm http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/05/01/wcong01.xml http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/peacekpg/lessons/bosnia.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3773153.stm |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by ghost62 on May 10th, 2005, 7:00pm See we dont need to bash the UN they do it all by them selves ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by jokrs2 on May 10th, 2005, 7:15pm Thank you Maffumatt ;). Looks like there are some VERY uneducated people out there..blinders anyone? I'd put a smiley face here but some ignorant red faced poster has me a bit .......never mind. God bless ;;D |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 10th, 2005, 7:20pm We need to get the US out of The UN and the UN OUT of the US! Let them take up shop in a neutral country!! |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by jokrs2 on May 10th, 2005, 7:24pm Right on Jonny!! And they can pay their damn parking tickets too before we stick our boots up their asses as we kick them off the shore. ;;D :-X |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 10th, 2005, 9:21pm Quote:
This is the problem. Simple answers are short, fast, and pretty simple. You have to remember that it's those men of the "Greatest Generation" who were involved; not a bunch of God, guns, guts, America types. No matter horror stories, the shortcomings and all its faults, the UN is a noble thing that needs help. Fix it. (Duh....fix it by blowing it up and kicking it out....Duh) Make it work. Act like adults. The idea is still good nonetheless. Nothng changes that. It's the same kneejerk shit that liberals are accused of..ala the French. Just because some moron has a plaque that reads "Freedom Fries." doesnt mean he has a brain. Something like it needs to exist and needs support. It's necessary. The League of Nations didn't get our help either. The result was not good. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 10th, 2005, 9:48pm Charlie is right, the ideal of the UN is a noble idea and the world body needs a voice for its concernes. But as it stands now the UN is going the way of the League of Nations. For the UN to survive with any authority and revelence it needs to either do some real reform, or ideally rebuild itself into an organisation that truely represents the ideas tthat built it in the first place. If not it is time to go the way of the Leauge of Nations, a historical failure. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 10th, 2005, 9:58pm That's it. It needs a revamping and probably a reorganiztion of its workings as well. Hope it gets it someday. Damn it's such a cool building too. I had the tour in 1962, evern bought my UN stamps there. Everyone did back then. Damn things are sold on ebay now. God I am such a geezer. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Ueli on May 10th, 2005, 10:05pm In the 1966 movie "Fahrenheit 451" (by François Truffaut) the dictator's myrmidons collected all books and burned them. It would be a good thing if his successor Ashcroft would collect and burn the history books from which came some of the most twisted "facts" spread in this thread. :-[ Honi soit qui mal y pense. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Charlie on May 11th, 2005, 4:21am After 50 million or so dead in the last bloodbath, the isolationist bent formed here should be a thing of the past but it keeps popping up in its several forms. They teach almost no foreign history in our schools which is a shame because ours is a tiny blip in world world events. Isolation is incrediby boring and it's been shown over and over that it's so damned dangerous. Charile |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by maffumatt on May 11th, 2005, 7:06am History isn't politically correct. You may offend someone and get the schools sued. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by bigAl on May 11th, 2005, 7:58am on 05/10/05 at 21:21:08, Charlie wrote:
When the outhouse gets too old you can't just fix it. It is certainly necessary to have one, but you've got to burn the old one down, fill in the shit hole, and build a new one from scratch. http://www.deathvalleyphoto.com/bw/images/Outhouse.jpg |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by mynm156 on May 11th, 2005, 12:50pm [smiley=laugh.gif] Looks like I started a good one. |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by jokrs2 on May 11th, 2005, 2:27pm People speak because of the mouths of the silent. If age "were" a precurser to intelligence we would all be bowing at the feet of people like Charlie (sorry Charlie) and we wouldn't be speaking our language if speaking at all. Time to burn down the old shithouse and start respecting ALL life not the selected countries that can pay for it. IMHO ;;D Edited: No longer a visitor to this string as I feel no better after visiting. [smiley=huh.gif] passifists...grumble, grumble, grumble, socialists..grumble, grumble, grumble, WWJD Help us Lord |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by seasonalboomer on May 11th, 2005, 2:39pm on 05/11/05 at 14:27:04, jokrs2 wrote:
I'm just not certain what your point is.... |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by floridian on May 11th, 2005, 5:06pm on 05/11/05 at 14:27:04, jokrs2 wrote:
WWJD? Read the Sermon on the Mount!! "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. ... You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? (Jesus sounds more like a pacificist than a Republican) And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. (The hypocrites also love to make a fuss about putting their religious symbols in the classroom and courtroom...not that they would really put the teachings of Jesus in those places, just the registered trademark of their denomination and the select teachings that reinforce their power.) And from Matthew 19:21: Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." (Sounds like socialism to me - redistributing from the haves to the have nots) Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth. (In the end, It's all going to France ;) ) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by Jonny on May 11th, 2005, 5:23pm on 05/11/05 at 17:06:42, floridian wrote:
Or you could just put a boot in their ass and be done with the bullshit ;;D Man, do I need a shower after reading this....LMAO ;;D Who loves ya, Flo? :-* |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 11th, 2005, 7:55pm on 05/11/05 at 17:06:42, floridian wrote:
Okie Dokie...Now the Bible has been drug in this..Well I was always taught a good philosophy ( check my spelling please) From Sun Tzu The Art Of War...This little hand book was carried by most of the Pajama Party Folks in Veitnam...Now the book is on the Marine Corps required reading list, and actually has some very good thoughts...But the quote that relates to this that I like best is... "Keep your freinds and family close...but your enemy Closer for they are the ones who need to be watched" Thanks Rodger [smiley=bigguns.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by floridian on May 11th, 2005, 9:07pm on 05/11/05 at 17:23:23, Jonny wrote:
http://www.cofe.anglican.org/lifeevents/baptismconfirm/small_bap.jpg I suspect that you wash up nicely ... :) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by sandie99 on May 12th, 2005, 3:52am on 05/10/05 at 18:05:28, Charlie wrote:
You have no idea how many times I've heard people rewrite Finland's history...! Luckily, not in here, though... :) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by medic1852 on May 12th, 2005, 5:57am on 05/12/05 at 03:52:59, sandie99 wrote:
The History of Finland...Ok there was this place where it snows alot and is really really cold..They decided to elect a new leader and there was a girl who really really liked doughnuts so since she found that doughnuts fixed every thing they made her queen of finland..now when finland goes to national summits they bring the doughnuts... All Hail the Doughnut Queen..... [smiley=bow.gif] This breif moment in history has been sponserd by Dukkin Dounuts As told by Rodger ::) |
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Title: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Post by mynm156 on May 12th, 2005, 11:39am Oh this is too good. |
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