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(Message started by: Jonny on May 3^rd, 2005, 3:41pm)

Title: Here We Go Again!
Post by Jonny on May 3^rd, 2005, 3:41pm

Last week lots of you would not have backed the dude with the six year old, would any of you back this guy with the seven year old.....or would you want your seven year old daughter learning some of the words in this article?

This ought to be good ;;D

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=81359

I may be old school but I dont think seven year olds are sexually active ::)

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by ghost62 on May 3^rd, 2005, 3:53pm

HHmmmmm good Question.

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by notseinfeld on May 3^rd, 2005, 4:08pm

Let the flames burn me where they will but here again is another prime example of how sending your kids to public school is akin to child abuse.
Children are being robbed of their innocence in school and by the TV only to be force-fed drugs (ritolin, anti-depressants) afterward by their parents.

12.23.2012

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by E-Double on May 3^rd, 2005, 4:15pm

I will preface my statements by saying that I am not a parent therefore I do not know how I will truly feel when the time comes......

How young is too young???

I recall being in Junior highschool there were several 11 & 12 yr old kids pregnant.......

This is prior to the explosion of HIV yet I wonder if the school taught certain things a little earlier if things like that would have happened.

That's it.....like I said .....No kids of my own so no judgement.

Enjoy your debate.

E

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Tiannia on May 3^rd, 2005, 4:25pm

I was in 5th grade when a girl in my class got pregnant. In Jounior high (I was 7th grade) a 9th grader was explaining that when ever she needed more money she had another baby (she had 3 at that time.) My mom about died when I asked her if having a baby was an excused absence from school?

Anyway. I believe that there are ways that children can learn without the graphic nature. My daughter asked me what a lesbian was last night. She heard the term on TV. I told her that it as women to marry other women rather then a man.

There is so much more that we know about AIDS now, then probably when that booklet was put out and approved. But I would lose my mind if the school did not contact me prior to giving out and discussing something like that.

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Jonny on May 3^rd, 2005, 4:37pm

Live talk Boston

http://entercom.liquidviewer.com/entercom/radioPlayer.php?ID=21

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by LeLimey on May 3^rd, 2005, 4:38pm

I would withdraw my child from any school teaching that at the age of 7. Just where are these kids supposed to have a "childhood" anymore? There is a big difference between answering questions like "What is a lesbian?" or "where do babies come from?" I dealt with all that while my kids were little but I gave them as much information as they needed and certainly not as graphic as that.

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by kimmeesue on May 3^rd, 2005, 4:51pm

In our school district (rural Kansas) the school nurse sends home a letter any time they will be discussing sensitive issues and the parent has to sign a letter of consent for the child to participate.
I believe the only exception to this is when they teach stranger danger and use anatomically correct dolls.
I firmly believe these lessons should be taught at home (in a perfect world) but having spent 25 years working with victims and offenders of sexual abuse I know that too many kids are left in the dark. They need to get the message somewhere.
And I also know that when you give small children more than they can understand they tend to filter it out anyway. Remember the old "kids say the darndest things"? Vaginal secretions doesn't have any meaning to a 7 year old. No context. But they should know what a vagina is. And mom and dad are who should be telling them.
Do I have the answers...wish I did. But I err on the side of too much info, rather than not enough.

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by cathy on May 3^rd, 2005, 5:30pm

I agree with Kimmeesue..... My twins know what a virginia is and homosexuals are as normal as heterosexual as far as they're concerned its a sign of the times!
Don't men use the anatomically correct dolls outta school too... ;;D

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Ree on May 3^rd, 2005, 6:12pm

We're all going to Hell in a Handbasket...my daughter will be 11 tomorrow... she is listening to Gwen Stefani and she is swearing every other word.........ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ree

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by rickyshot on May 3^rd, 2005, 6:48pm

Jonny I am with you on this one and the one last week. The problem with our society is that everything is politically correct and there is no right or wrong anymore. You are not allowed to call anything wrong. And hell yeah I can disagree with some of y'all and call something wrong. IN my house certain things were just plain wrong tough if you don't agree. I mean does it take a rocket scientist to figure out what is happening to our kids............

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by BlueMeanie on May 3^rd, 2005, 7:48pm

on 05/03/05 at 16:25:48, Tiannia wrote:

Unfricken believeable. 10 years old having babies ? Instead of holding schools responsible for teaching elementary school adolescent content, parents should be going to jail for letting their 10 year olds go out and get pregnant. jeeze.... :(

Schools should not be teaching any of this crap to elementry school kids. I'm sure most parents don't know it is happening until now. At least it's coming out in the open so parents can start taking more control of their kids and what the schools are teaching.

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Jonny on May 3^rd, 2005, 7:51pm

Bravo!!!!....Blue!

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by BarbaraD on May 3^rd, 2005, 8:05pm

UGHHHHHHHH! I'm afraid I'd be sitting at the next school council meeting -- screaming at the top of my lungs.

I think the schools (as someone just posted) are the child abusers right now.

You can bet when my little Caleb (grandson) starts to school, Granny will be "dropping" in and checking what they're trying to teach him.

Back in my day (I'm OLD) the kids probably knew more about sex ed than the teachers did. Even in my son's day, they taught "health" not "sex ed". I threw a fit when they sent the drug stuff home. Hell, if they didn't know how to do the stuff -- the literature from school taught them how to. I protested BIG TIME (to the point I pulled my son out of public school and sent him to a private school). He learned all he needed to know (when I wanted to know something - I only had to ask him and he'd explain it to me).

Kids learn from other kids (who's parents explain it to them at home).

I wasn't very old when our dog found a boyfriend and they went at it in the front yard. My brother and I got it explained to us and we accepted it and got ready for the puppies. No big deal. Then I explained it to my best friend and we both knew where puppies came from. Later on when we had children, her son explained the dirty words on the bathroom wall to my son. Turn about and all that.

Right now our biggest problem with Caleb (age 3) is explaining that everyone is just not excited to see Mr. Winkie. He's really proud of that thing, but is learning to control himself in public. ;)

Guess I'm just getting old, but I just don't approve of schools taking the place of parents. And the hell with being politically correct.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on May 3^rd, 2005, 8:13pm

The voice of reason in the wilderness - you go Barb! I like how ya think - I'd be right there with you!

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by ckelly181 on May 3^rd, 2005, 8:43pm

on 05/03/05 at 20:05:17, BarbaraD wrote:

Guess I'm just getting old, but I just don't approve of schools taking the place of parents. And the hell with being politically correct.

You know, most teachers feel that way too. If only parents would parent.

We have a week of state tests, and then a week later, we have another week of national tests. Why don't parents get in there and complain that we are required to test these kids to death?

There are teachers who are burned out and show videos almost every day. Why don't parents raise a ruckus and get admins to do something about these people?

I have a kid who swears at me, refuses to do any work, destroys anything not nailed down, and his parent threatened to take me to court because I sent him to in-school suspension. Meanwhile the rest of the class works without a problem. Why don't parents come in here and insist that this boy not disrupt a majority of the students in the room?

I'd love to be a homeschool teacher; you get to work one-on-one with a student. Beats being one of 30. Even private schools get to select who attends. Don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out why these kids tend to do better than public school kids.

It's just so lovely to see people blame the schools for all the ills of the world, because "I went to school, so I know what's wrong with it." Glad I'm known as a child abuser. Makes me really proud to be a teacher.

It's really glamorous to complain about schools. Please, come in and fix our schools. Write legislators and demand that they decrease class sizes. Be vocal when you see the need. Or, better yet, come in and watch a day in a classroom. Teachers aren't as evil as you think.

No, Jonny, I don't think that pamphlet was appropriate and good for those parents for going in and doing something about it.

Chris

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Sean_C on May 3^rd, 2005, 9:47pm

Why do I live in the most liberal state in the union I don't know. :-/

The next town over the teacher was having sex with two 15 year old girls. One of the girls fathers found pictures that one of them had hidden.

Same town one of the male school committee members was arrested for having oral sex with a 14 year old boy behind some bushes in the playground.

I would rather have them teach our young children about predators, these freaks of nature are in our school system believe me. :-/

I said my peace, this thread is yours

Sean................................

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by floridian on May 3^rd, 2005, 10:03pm

School committee was asleep on that one - not age appropriate, IMHO. Tell the 7 year olds to avoid contact with blood, pus, and other bodily fluids or they will get the cooties. That is enough info for first graders.

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by nani on May 3^rd, 2005, 10:13pm

I agree, not age appropropriate. Bodily fluids is explanation enough.

Now...everyone here who is convinced that teachers are the child abusers... PLEASE go spend a couple of days (whole days, not an hour here or there) in a public school classroom. It will be an eye opening experience. Ask them how the No Child Left Behind Act helped them do a better job. Ask them how much of their own money they spend on classroom materials. Talk to them...you'd be surprised.

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Charlie on May 3^rd, 2005, 10:34pm

A couple of things. No, not very clever and I pretty much agree with Kimmeesue. I guess commom sense doesn't enter into the picture when developing books and the like for kids. It's good that they learn something but it would be nice if parents did the job. It's damned hard for schools to get a response from parents until the shit hits the fan. This is better though; so far as I know, no one ran around screaming and threatening to call in the Thought Police.

These guys need to find some real news to report. I guess it's true that if it bleeds, it leads, especially articles from this source. It's ultra right-wing and very apologetic for Tom Delay for example. Lots of so-called Christian "conservatives" too. It's one of the things these types like to put on front pages. Sad really.

Charlie

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by cootie on May 3^rd, 2005, 11:30pm

Are kids at that age able to get the total concept of sex stuff "too" early.....I never heard of non of that shit till I was good and interested in it.......glad I didn't.....I worry to much. I'd of misunderstood the book or teachers at that young age and thought you could get AIDS from pet hamsters. Too much too fast.......there speedin up the pace Pam

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Lizzie2 on May 3^rd, 2005, 11:47pm

Well first off, I truly believe that there are many good public schools out there. I went to one...graduated with a population of 600 and was tied for valedictorian - when I moved towns, I skipped 4 grades of math to catch up to how high tech this school was.

My mom is a secretary in the same school district - I want to say she started there in like...1993 or 4?

My friend in nursing school is running a survey for school nurses on sex education. I didn't read the survey, but I know when I gave it to my mom (who works in elementary school), she gave it to her nurses who were going to forward it to the middle school nurses. Not too much sex ed going on in our public elementary schools in my hometown.

My boyfriend (who should jump in on this convo!) is a health/phys ed grad, and I started off my career at Penn State as a music ed major.

I don't curse the teachers or blame public school teachers for the stuff that goes on, but I do think that there are many factors at play and children as young as age 7 don't need to be seeing stuff like the above!

Here's what's been going on in the news surrounding the 'kids' in my hood lately. Tell me that this isn't whacked... I have no idea as to how valid this article is, but I know if I look it up in our main paper, it requires a subscription online (free), so I am posting this link since I know anyone can access it:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600130399,00.html

Carrie

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Lizzie2 on May 3^rd, 2005, 11:51pm

Oooh but there has been news after that article link I just posted. It turns out that the kid tested positive for HIV in one of the less-sensitive tests, but was negative with further testing. You can google it or maybe find something at http://www.wpvi.com but people are still pretty uneasy about it!

Can't say I blame them... I just had my 6 week testing after my needlestick, but I dont' know all the results yet. I will have two more tests to go, and the final needlestick test is not until September. That's a long time to be uneasy...and I did take Combivir for a month.

I love my job some days.... <insert sarcastic look here>

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Dave0377 on May 4^th, 2005, 12:17am

It's sad that horribly bad teachers like that actually have a job and even worse, they get to keep it, while the good teachers like me can't get into a school district! >:(

There's a little thing called age appropriateness. Obviously this teacher didn't pay attention during that class!

Seriously though, in some places like the inner city schools, that sort of education would be relevant at younger ages than other areas. Not to stereotype the cities, but lets face the facts, there is more teen pregnancy in the inner cities and lower income areas than in the suburbs and yuppie neighborhoods. Not to say it doesn't happen, but just look at the statistics (note: i'm too tired and lazy to look it up right now so do your own research ;) ) I'm sure Carrie can confirm the high rates of teen pregnancy and STDs among young people in the cities....right??
That being said, I think 7 years old is a BIT too young to teach that kind of thing!!

Oh and I guess we can't totally blame the teacher here...I mean, who's writing the curriculum?? who's reviewing the classes and lesson plans?? shouldn't the principals know what's being taught in the classrooms?

Being a teacher (who isn't currently teaching), it's hard for me to bash the public schools, but in all honesty, it worries me!! The middle school kids today are SOOO bad compared to what I was like when I was that age. They have major attitudes now and they think they can do whatever they want in school and in public because they get away with it at home.

Part of the problem is that both parents work, or it may be a single mother/father situation where they just aren't around enough to know what's going on in their kids life. However, I blame MTV!! When they stopped playing videos and started playing Jackass, the world went on a downward spiral! It's now "cool" to be a total moron and act like an ass all the time.

But anyway, Im off on a tangent there....It's Carrie's fault. She shouldn't have brought me here. lol [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by TxBasslady on May 4^th, 2005, 12:35am

OMG.....jonny ::)

Worried me when I saw this one.... :P

....actually was worried about my buddy Sean_C [smiley=huh.gif]

ummmm....he must have had a tranquilizer before he read this one....he was much too calm :o

Much love to ya.....jonny (u 2 Sean) :-*

Jean

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by BarbaraD on May 4^th, 2005, 8:57am

on 05/03/05 at 20:43:20, ckelly181 wrote:

Honey I really wasn't running the teachers down -- it is the SYSTEM I'm concerned about. And yes it has to start with the legislators. Teachers do what the SYSTEM says to do.

A few years ago the school approved some books on suicide and handed them out in the high school. My neice was 15, read the book, went home and put a gun to her head and is no longer with us. After I read the book, hell, I wanted to do the same. Anyone who was borderline suicidial probably would have. It was totally WRONG in my opinion. These kids didn't need that.

Same with the sex literature.

And no, you shouldn't have to sit thru a kid disrupting your classroom. Another example of the government getting too involved in things they know nothing about (most of them went to private schools).

If everyone (and it effects us all -- we pay school taxes whether we have kids in school or not) would get involved and write their congressmen, senators and state legislators we MIGHT have a chance of getting things back to EDUCATING our kids in the basics. But until people choose to get "involved" we're not going to get anything done. And from these articles -- looks like parents are being discouraged from getting involved.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by Drk^Angel on May 4^th, 2005, 2:07pm

As a parent... I believe that all parents should be allowed to approve or disapprove any education of sensitive issues... And I don't mean just sending a note home with the kid telling the parents to sign and return if they don't approve... The form should clearly explain what is to be taught, and provide information on how the parents can get a copy of the literature to be used, so that they may review it. Also, the form should have two choices, approve/disapprove, and a parent should have to initial the one they choose and all legal guardians of the child should have to sign the form. The form should be sent to the parents well in advance, so that there is plenty of time for the parents to research the issue, and make a proper decision. If the form is not returned within a reasonable timeframe, the teacher (or another responsible representative of the class) should call the parents about the issue, and answer any questions they may still have.

As an ex-child... I don't think there is such a thing as too young to learn. I won't even go into what I knew when I was 7. Admittedly... I prolly knew more about somethings than I really should've known, but I wasn't the only one. It's amazing what you'll learn from other kids, even at that age, but the one thing I don't remember any of us ever talking about was safe sex. As far as I know, even the teenagers in the neighborhood had no clue about safe sex. Hell... I know my parents never discussed sex with me at all, even when I was much older.

So what's the right answer... I don't think there is one. Schools could stick to only the required subjects, and people will start complaining about teen pregnancy, STDs, drug abuse, ect... If schools try to deal with non-academic subjects, they become the bad guys when a few parents don't agree. You can have the parents approve the child's education first, but I think there has even been problems when schools have tried that.

Maybe we should all just settle for the facts about todays society... People are expected to have pride in the country, but you better not say the pledge. People want a solution to teen society issues, but they don't want anyone to take actions to try to correct the issues. People want to be allowed to say, think, and believe what they want, but complain when someone else says, thinks, or believes something different. Mayhaps if everyone would start taking responsibility for the things they should be responsible for, things would be different. Unfortunately, we'll prolly never know.

PFDAN.................................. Drk^Angel

Title: Re: Here We Go Again!
Post by kimmeesue on May 4^th, 2005, 2:14pm

Ok, folks, we can point fingers til the cows come home but the real problem today is parenting...or lack therof. My kids were raised with MTV, left-wing/right-wing/politics,vulgar music lyrics, internet porn, the whole gamut. But ultimately it's what they "did" with it that matters and that came from me and their dad. We didn't leave their values education to the school counselors and their sex education to the school nurse. We talked...my goodness I knew way more than I wanted to sometimes. When we hit the rough patches I took responsibility for figuring out how to get through it...I didn't just look for someone to blame.
Yeah, parents need to start a revoluton. At home. If you are doing your job it won't matter so much what is going on "out there". If you feel your child has received age inappropriate info at school, then talk to your child, you can undo whatever damage you "think" has been done. Children are very resilient and they trust you. They will follow your lead. You freak out they will too. YOu keep a level head so will they. We have become a country full of reactionaries...get mad and pound the shit out of somebody...call the press...get on TV. Geesh. No wonder kids take guns to school.