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(Message started by: cootie on Apr 4th, 2005, 12:48pm)
Title: magnatism..............
Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2005, 12:48pm
What do you think of this new magnetic theropy shit for chronic pain there talkin bout on the news ? Looks like a big MRI.....maybe it is put on 'reverse'.....har-har. Anyhow......workin  with race horses years ago I am familiar with different types of methods to tryin to heal leg injuries with irritants and vibration and the lot. All it really did was 'stimulate' bloodflow by IRRITATION causeing more to flow to the irritated area being pinpointed and try to speed healing and feed the area with more healthy blood or aid healing for a day or two so the animal can be raced or shown with HOPES of total healing with some. Myself I don't beleive it can totally HEAL chronic pain......unless all an area needs to do is heal up from some sort of accident or trauma and is going along too slowly. But to CURE (there's that word again) or stop severe to moderate pain for long periods or forever that are badly damaged esp bone, I don't beleive it. I jus know now since it was on the news I will be hearing that I should check into it. Advice well taken.....Not a believer Pam
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Charlie on Apr 4th, 2005, 1:49pm
Sorry kids. Magnetic "therapy" goes back to the 19th century propounded by quacks. Nothing ever changes. Q-Rays and other silly "ion" therapy just lightens your wallet.

Penn & Teller, on their Showtime "Bullshit" show, passed out magnets in a shopping mall to volunteers and asked them to come back and report. Everyone said they worked wonders....even though the "magnets" were aluminum.  http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/cheesyrotfm.gif

Killjoy Charlie
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by BikerBob on Apr 4th, 2005, 2:01pm
((((((((((magnetic cootie vibes to Pam)))))))))))

::)

Bob
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by rextangle on Apr 4th, 2005, 2:28pm
I agree with Charlie also (after watching Bullshit).
I was always suspicious about the effects of magnets on the human body (80% water that's not magnetic)....

Don't waste your time or money on these as they can be very expensive... I don't even spend that kind of $$$ on my fridge!!!
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Langa on Apr 4th, 2005, 2:30pm

Quote:
I don't even spend that kind of $$$ on my fridge!!!


No comment... ;;D

Langa
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Apr 4th, 2005, 2:39pm
You are all going to think I'm nuts for even mentioning this but.... Here goes.

I have a rather large amplifier for my guitar. It has 4 12" speakers in it that all have very powerful magnets in them.

I used to keep this thing in my bedroom when I was still living with my parents (When I was a bum).

At one point, I needed to clear up some space so I moved the amp out of the way which happened to put it right next to my bed at the same end as my head.

I started having some of the most vivid and bizarre (sp?) dreams after I did this. After I moved the amp a couple weeks later, the dreams went back to normal (normal for me any way. LOL).

My thinking is that the magnetic field from the magnets in the speakers was doing some weird stuff to my head.

Am I a freak or do any of you have any similar experiances or theories on this?

Pat
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by nani on Apr 4th, 2005, 2:40pm
Were you dropping acid at the time?  ;;D
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by seasonalboomer on Apr 4th, 2005, 2:43pm

on 04/04/05 at 14:39:10, ExplodingEyeBall wrote:
Am I a freak?

Pat


Yes. I believe this would be a criteria that would grant you admission.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 3:43pm
You didn't happen to position the amp under your black light poster of Timothy Leary did you?
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Charlie on Apr 4th, 2005, 4:12pm
Magnets have no effect on circulation that's measurable either.

It's an excellent example of the placebo effect. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/blow.gif

Ueli: Where are you?  

Mean Old Charlie
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Apr 4th, 2005, 4:30pm

on 04/04/05 at 16:12:54, Charlie wrote:
Magnets have no effect on circulation that's measurable either.

It's an excellent example of the placebo effect. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/blow.gif


I agree with that but at the same time, I also realize that the human brain and almost everything involved with it rely on electromagnetic impulses.

Do you think that sleeping with a strong magnetic field this close to your head may cause some weird sh** to happen?

BTW: Answers to other questions.

Acid - Maybe.
Freak - Send me my admission ticket please.
Timothy Leary - How did you know I had that poster? Did the magnetic field give you ESP?
Where am I? - N/W Indiana
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 4:36pm

Quote:
Timothy Leary - How did you know I had that poster? Did the magnetic field give you ESP?


I control that magnetic field from behind a tie dyed curtain in my parents basement.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Ellick on Apr 4th, 2005, 4:52pm
If magnets don't have any effect why do professional sports people use them to help heal injuries.

I have used them lots on old sports injuries with good pain relief.

Magnets will alter the bloodflow around an injury through ionisation.

Having said all this I think it works on injury. I tried it for CH and on one ocassion it worked straight away and from then on made it worse. So I think it works on injuries but not a deep seated condition like Ch. I wanted to experiment further and wrote to people who were supposed to know about magnetism. They did not reply, thereby consolidating the myth thay don't know what they are doing. Incidentally, I have had the same lack of response trying to get other 'experts' to offer some guidance in other areas of reasearch.

Despite this dampening of enquiry about information it makes me feel that we should not close the door on anything. That's arcane.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2005, 5:18pm
Don't VHS and cassette tapes have a warning not to store near any type magnet includeing near a tv or stereo or whatever. Erased at birth Pam
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by BikerBob on Apr 4th, 2005, 5:47pm
The strongest magnetic field your brain ever experienced was when it was in that MRI machine. Remember the technician making sure there was no metal on your body? Remember them saying if you have a metal plate in your head you can't do the MRI because it would make your head explode?

Now, did that MRI have any effect on your CH? No. Did it give you vivid bizarre dreams? No.

Case closed.   ;)

Bob
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 5:48pm

Quote:
Remember them saying if you have a metal plate in your head


Lucky for me mine is a paper plate.

Dixie.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by floridian on Apr 4th, 2005, 6:05pm

on 04/04/05 at 12:48:44, cootie wrote:
What do you think of this new magnetic theropy shit for chronic pain there talkin bout on the news ? Looks like a big MRI.....


There is a big difference between the little magnets that people tape on their body and the hi-powered computer focused magnetic therapy devices that are out there.  





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Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2003 Oct;60(10):1002-8.      Related Articles, Links
   
   Transcranial magnetic stimulation in the treatment of depression: a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

   Fitzgerald PB, Brown TL, Marston NA, Daskalakis ZJ, De Castella A, Kulkarni J.

   Alfred Psychiatry Research Centre, The Alfred Hospital, and the Department of Psychological Medicine, Monash University, Australia. paul.fitzgerald@med.monash.edu.au

   BACKGROUND: High-frequency left-sided repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation (HFL-TMS) has been shown to have antidepressant effects in double-blind trials. Low-frequency stimulation to the right prefrontal cortex (LFR-TMS) has also shown promise, although it has not been assessed in treatment-resistant depression and its effects have not been compared with those of HFL-TMS. OBJECTIVE: To prospectively evaluate the efficacy of HFL-TMS and LFR-TMS in treatment-resistant depression and compared with a sham-treated control group. DESIGN: A double-blind, randomized, sham-controlled trial. SETTING: Two general psychiatric services. PARTICIPANTS: Sixty patients with treatment-resistant depression who had failed to respond to therapy with multiple antidepressant medications were divided into 3 groups of 20 that did not differ in age, sex, or any clinical variables. All patients completed the double-blind phase of the study. INTERVENTIONS: Twenty 5-second HFL-TMS trains at 10 Hz and five 60-second LFR-TMS trains at 1 Hz were applied daily. Sham stimulation was applied with the coil angled at 45 degrees from the scalp, resting on the side of one wing of the coil.Main Outcome Measure Score on the Montgomery-Asberg Depression Rating Scale. RESULTS: There was a significant difference in response among the 3 groups (F56,2 = 6.2), with a significant difference between the HFL-TMS and sham groups and between the LFR-TMS and sham groups (P<.005 for all) but not between the 2 treatment groups. Baseline psychomotor agitation predicted successful response to treatment. CONCLUSIONS: Both HFL-TMS and LFR-TMS have treatment efficacy in patients with medication-resistant major depression. Treatment for at least 4 weeks is necessary for clinically meaningful benefits to be achieved. Treatment with LFR-TMS may prove to be an appropriate initial repetitive TMS strategy in depression taking into account safety, tolerability, and efficacy considerations.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Ueli on Apr 4th, 2005, 7:57pm
Definitely snake oil  >:(

A static magnetic field has an effect on bulk ferromagnetic material and on electric currents. Bulk as a piece of iron or the coating on a magnetic storage medium. The isolated iron bound in haemoglobin is not influenced by a magnet.

I've yet to see a scientifically sound report on any effect of magnetic fields on the body.

But then, the word "magnetic" is abused by all sorts of scam artists, like "the wiping cloth with the dust magnet", duh. The health and wellness scammers attribute to their magnets all sorts of thaumaturgic effects. Some time ago we had a spammer of Nikkens magnets that use the Hall effect to repair leaky cell membranes and thus reduce pain, and more such pseudoscientific nonsense.


A loudspeaker has a strong magnetic field, but only in the ~2 mm wide air gap (where the plunger coil moves), but not on the outside. Pat rather forgot to switch off the amplifier and some subsonic sound shook his head into weird dreams. ;D


Ellick wrote:
"Magnets will alter the bloodflow around an injury through ionisation."
Wow! You found a new way to ionize material with a permanent magnet! I'm not surprised that you get as much answers from the experts as if you submitted a new perpetuum mobile or a solution to the squaring of the circle problem. ::) (How ionisation alters blood flow and how altered blood flow reduces pain is another question.)


In short:
If you hear some miraculous properties of magnets from the wellness or 'alternative' health care corners, hold fast on your wallet and scream "snake oil". I would only trust a report in a reputable scientific journal.

PFNADs, Ueli                 [smiley=smokin.gif]
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by floridian on Apr 4th, 2005, 8:42pm

on 04/04/05 at 19:57:54, Ueli wrote:
Definitely snake oil  >:(
...
I've yet to see a scientifically sound report on any effect of magnetic fields on the body.

...


Here's one that found that a static magnetic field can affect calcium levels and action potentials in neurons:


Quote:
Int J Radiat Biol. 2004 Oct;80(10):699-708.      

   Effect of static magnetic fields on the amplitude of action potential in the lateral giant neuron of crayfish.

   Ye SR, Yang JW, Chen CM.

   Inst. of Molecular Medicine, National Tsing Hua University, 101, Sec. 2, Kuang Fu Road, Hsinchu, 30013, Taiwan. sryeh@life.nthu.edu.tw

   PURPOSE: To investigate whether exposure to static magnetic field (SMF) affects the passive properties of neurons that mediate tail-flip escape behavior in crayfish. MATERIALS AND METHODS: A permanent magnet was placed under the isolated nerve cord of crayfish to experience SMF at 4.74 to 43.45 mT intensity for various period of time (20 seconds to 3 hours). An intracellular electrode was impaled on the axon of the lateral giant neuron (LG) of the last abdominal ganglion of crayfish to record the evoked action potential (AP) and excitatory postsynaptic potential (EPSP). The amplitudes of evoked AP and EPSPs before and after SMF exposure were measured to study the effect of SMF exposure. RESULTS: The exposure to SMF increased the amplitude of AP in the LG depending upon both the intensity of field and duration of field exposure. The changes in AP by field exposure are likely to be mediated by the increasing level of intracellular Ca2+ in the LG because the chelating of intracellular Ca2+ would block the effects by SMF exposure, while the injection of Ca2+ into the LG could mimic the effects of SMF exposure. SMF exposure also increases the input resistance of the LG membrane. Therefore, the magnitude of the EPSP in LG evoked by electrical shock on the sensory nerves was found to be enhanced after SMF exposure. CONCLUSION: SMF is usually considered to be safe for the biological issues since no electrical current is induced via the Faraday effect. Our results showed that some passive membrane properties of neurons are affected by SMF exposure. The increase in magnitude of evoked AP and EPSP suggests an increase in the sensitivity of the LG neuron. These changes by SMF exposure may not necessarily to be harmful to animals; however, further study is needed to address the biological effects from SMF exposure, especially in nervous systems.


Again, I'm not saying that $20 tape-on magnets have any therapeutic value, just that the body can be affected by magnetic fields.



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Spine. 2003 Dec 15;28(24):2660-6.      
   
   Exposure to pulsed magnetic fields enhances motor recovery in cats after spinal cord injury.

   Crowe MJ, Sun ZP, Battocletti JH, Macias MY, Pintar FA, Maiman DJ.  Neuroscience Research Laboratories, The Clement J. Zablocki VA Medical Center, Milwaukee, WI 53295, USA. mcrowe@mcw.edu


Maybe the cats were comforted by the thoughts of magnet power and this increased their recovery??

;)
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 8:46pm
80% water


Water is not magnetic


Water does however conduct electricity


Electicity is magnetic


The human body does conduct and produce electrical current

pain relief...probably not


change in electrical current thus a change in pain perception with the introduction of magnets

plausable yet logically short lived percieved relief.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by floridian on Apr 4th, 2005, 8:47pm

on 04/04/05 at 19:57:54, Ueli wrote:
Ellick wrote:
"Magnets will alter the bloodflow around an injury through ionisation."

I would only trust a report in a reputable scientific journal.

PFNADs, Ueli                 [smiley=smokin.gif]


Is Microvascular Research a reputable journal??



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Microvasc Res. 2005 Jan;69(1-2):24-7.      Related Articles, Links

   Effects of a static magnetic field of either polarity on skin microcirculation.

   Mayrovitz HN, Groseclose EE.

   College of Medical Sciences, Nova Southeastern University, 3200 S. University Drive, Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33328, USA.

   Our specific aim was to investigate whether a local static magnetic field of a permanent magnet, of either pole, affects resting skin blood perfusion. This was done by measuring skin blood perfusion (SBF) by laser-Doppler in dorsum skin of 2nd and 4th fingers of the nondominant hands of 12 volunteers. Both fingers were first exposed to sham magnets, and then the 2nd finger was exposed alternately to north and south poles of a neodymium magnet that produced a field of 4024 G at the palmar part of the finger and a field of 879 +/- 52 G at the site of finger dorsum SBF measurement. Each of the three exposure intervals was 15 min. SBF values were analyzed by first computing the average SBF during the last 5 min of each of the three 15-min exposure intervals. These SBF averages were initially tested for magnet or magnet-pole effects by analysis of variance for repeated measures with finger as a factor, using SBF values for each finger as the test variable. Results of this analysis revealed a large variability in finger SBF among subjects and no significant difference in SBF between exposure conditions (P = 0.705) or any significant interaction between SBF and finger (P = 0.396). However, when intersubject variability was reduced by using the flow difference between treated and nontreated fingers in each exposure interval as the test variable, a statistically significant effect (P = 0.016) attributable to magnet exposure was uncovered. This effect was a reduction in resting SBF in the magnet-exposed fingers that was similar for north and south pole magnet exposure. The present findings are the first to demonstrate a direct effect of locally applied magnets on human skin blood perfusion.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Mr. Happy on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:34pm
I'd argue against the futility of magnets, if I didn't have a pad with a dozen of the little buggers sewn into it strapped on right now. Chronic lumbar crap. When things get bad, I pin on the magnet pad, and reduce my incapacitation time to 40-72 hours, instead of 2 - 3 weeks. For all I know, it's the damned pad keeping the area warm that does the trick.
I could care less. If a placebo works, and works consistently, charge me double.

Let them eat Kudzu.
RJ
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:45pm
What if you swollow'd a bunch of teeny magnets cooked in a pie.......would you explode dureing an MRI ? Ways to kill Pam  ;)
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:55pm

on 04/04/05 at 17:47:13, BikerBob wrote:
Now, did that MRI have any effect on your CH? No. Did it give you vivid bizarre dreams? No.

Case closed.   ;)

Bob


I never said anything about CH when I mentioned this.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by cootie on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:58pm
anybody want pie...sarcastic fantastic Pam
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by BikerBob on Apr 4th, 2005, 11:17pm
Cootie's exploding Betty Flopper belly pies... They make your torso look like the slaughter'd groundhog on the counter... Don't even need the big knife...

Not having dinner now Bob
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by cootie on Apr 5th, 2005, 12:11am
wonder if the hospital would charge you extra for makein such a mess ? Pop goes the roadkill Pam
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Charlie on Apr 5th, 2005, 1:09am
Awhile ago, Florsheim was hawking magnetic shoes. Electric belts were sold 125 years ago as miracle cures. These belts could be dangerous but they didn't cure a thing. While magnets are safe they are useless too.

The reason for all the wishful thinking and behavior is that quacks and con men take advantage of this kind of thinking. Some of us will go to great lengths to avoid anything clinical or be exposed to doctors and real medicine. With many, it's a real problem. This leaves a wide opening for these cranks and con men.

Q-Ray yourself silly kids.

Charlie
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Mr. Happy on Apr 5th, 2005, 1:18am

on 04/05/05 at 01:09:58, Charlie wrote:
Q-Ray yourself silly kids.

Piss off, ya aging Sweedish Fish. I'm wearing my back magnet pad, and curséd be the gainsayers. If it's a placebo, then I'll pay double.

You'll outlive me, Chaz.
Tuff darts.
RJ
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Charlie on Apr 5th, 2005, 1:25am
Nice looking magnetic helmet Randy  :o

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/phi.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by PrettyH8Machine on Apr 5th, 2005, 1:34am
And now, a subliminal message from Carl and his subconscious on magnetism.

Being a musician since I was very young (and too ugly for pets) I was experiencing alot of wrist pain from guitar playing (masturbation) and at first thought wrist magnets would work fished in to ease the aches. Not only did it not work hard to play guitar or masturbate while wearing but they cost me a small fortune being a young stupid teenager working hard selling drugs to infants and easily influenced dumber than blonde.

I've sinced learned not to trust schemes like magnets just got my magne-head-band or other snake oil wanna buy my last bottle I bought? I've learned to question everything huh? and am very skeptical dumbfounded.

Peace kill me now
Carl D dumbass
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by BobG on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:36am
Pam, thanks for starting this string. The laughs were well worth it.  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Frank_W on Apr 5th, 2005, 8:44am
Well, now that we've got that all ironed out, we can begin filing it away, even if the initial reports were quite attractive. Uh... nevermind...  ;;D :-X
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by BobG on Apr 5th, 2005, 9:12am

on 04/05/05 at 08:44:47, Frank_W wrote:
Well, now that we've got that all ironed out, we can begin filing it away, even if the initial reports were quite attractive. Uh... nevermind...  ;;D :-X

Uh.......Frank.......Uh

ROTFLMAO  [smiley=laugh.gif] That has to be the WORST play on words in the history of the world.
[smiley=crackup.gif]
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Apr 5th, 2005, 9:18am

on 04/04/05 at 17:47:13, BikerBob wrote:
The strongest magnetic field your brain ever experienced was when it was in that MRI machine. Remember the technician making sure there was no metal on your body? Remember them saying if you have a metal plate in your head you can't do the MRI because it would make your head explode?

Now, did that MRI have any effect on your CH? No. Did it give you vivid bizarre dreams? No.

Case closed.   ;)

Bob


I didn't sleep in the MRI machine so I wouldn't know if it would have any effect on dreams. It's a little to loud and not very comfy. But then.... You probably should have known that.

Case closed? IMHO..... No.


on 04/04/05 at 17:47:13, Ueli wrote:
Pat rather forgot to switch off the amplifier and some subsonic sound shook his head into weird dreams.


Nobody who owns a Marshal amp would leave it turned on in their bedroom all night. It costs over $200.00 to put a new set of tubes in one and it would make the room get pretty warm.



on 04/04/05 at 17:47:13, Ueli wrote:
A loudspeaker has a strong magnetic field, but only in the ~2 mm wide air gap (where the plunger coil moves), but not on the outside.


I guess this would explain why I had to demagnetize my color TV after this speaker cabinet was left next to it for 10 minutes (unplugged, unpowered, sitting idle).

These aren't transitor radio speakers we're talking about here. The mags in these weigh close to 10 pounds apiece.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d606b3127cce9a75691dcd8700000016108EZs2rJy0ba


on 04/04/05 at 17:47:13, Redd715 wrote:
The human body does conduct and produce electrical current

Water does however conduct electricity


Functioning much like a uniquely designed electric conduit, the brain actually encodes stimuli from the body as nerve impulses. When the electrical impulses reach the brain, they trigger the release of messenger chemicals, such as glutamate, which in turn induce electrical impulses as they travel from one neuron to another.

[smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif]

And since we're splitting hairs here....
Water does not conduct electricity. The impurities in the water are what conducts electricity.


I didn't mean to open a can of worms when I asked what I thought was a pretty simple question.

As a matter of fact, I have wondered about this for 20 years but never asked because I knew people would attack this thinking. I thought I could at least bring it up here. WRONG!!!

Sorry about that. I'll ask these kinds of questions some place else where people aren't so quick to start throwing around half baked facts to try to make me look like a fool.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Kevin_M on Apr 5th, 2005, 11:02am

on 04/04/05 at 13:49:53, Charlie wrote:
Magnetic "therapy" goes back to the 19th century propounded by quacks.


Charlie's comment is true and consistent with the past.

Swiss physician Albrecht von Haller demontrated that certain animal tissues, including human muscles reacted directly to electrical shock without any intervention of the brain or a soul.  French naturalist Julian Offrey de la Mettrie described life as being a basic principle of organic matter itself, and not as a product of an independent mind or indwellng soul.
 Such thinking reached into popular culture, drawing on scientific speculation about subtle electrical and magnetic fluids animating life.
 Physician Franz Mesmer, after getting his butt booted from Vienna for being a quack headed for Paris in the years leading up to the French Revolution, establishing a highly lucrative practice treating the muscle cramps and headaches of wealthy Parisians including Queen Marie Antoinette with magnetic cures and an early form of hypnosis.  He quickly grasped their interest and would appear in purple robes with a sceptre in elaborate demonstrations as pleasing entertainment for the well-to-do.  

However, the fact that:
Quote:
Nothing ever changes

may not always ring true.  Floridians findings demonstrates a change being explored.

Quote:
CONCLUSIONS: Both HFL-TMS and LFR-TMS have treatment efficacy in patients with medication-resistant major depression. Treatment for at least 4 weeks is necessary for clinically meaningful benefits to be achieved. Treatment with LFR-TMS may prove to be an appropriate initial repetitive TMS strategy in depression taking into account safety, tolerability, and efficacy considerations.



Quote:
The present findings are the first to demonstrate a direct effect of locally applied magnets on human skin blood perfusion.



Kevin M
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by cootie on Apr 5th, 2005, 11:14am
Adding to the pile.......I have a friend that was haveing a hard time gettin around cuz of two really bad knees....couldn't stand long or nothin. His doc gave him some sorta magnets to wear for his knees and he SWORE on a stacka bibles 'they worked' a miracle ! I know what the miracle was......the magnets gave him HOPE it'd work and in tern he got a bit more active and lost that extra 200 lbs he was over. He was gettin around GREAT.....and he sure looked alot better and happier and healthier. He goes to army docs....he has no insurence. His doc sceduled knee surgery and they'd discussed it for quite some time....but when he went back in to discuss the details and set a date months later that doc was gone. (it's an army vet center deal....he's a veteran).....the clinic had no idea what he was talkin about ! So....he got a bit depressed and gained all that weight back and has been complaining the magets no longer work so he tossed them away. Sumtimes an ounce of cure was a glimpse of HOPE  Pam

PS: Yer not stupid explodeingeye........not in the least !  
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Frank_W on Apr 5th, 2005, 11:32am

on 04/05/05 at 09:12:16, BobG wrote:
Uh.......Frank.......Uh

ROTFLMAO  [smiley=laugh.gif] That has to be the WORST play on words in the history of the world.
[smiley=crackup.gif]


ba-dum-PSH! "Thank you. a-thank you ver' much. I'll be here all week. Tip your waitresses. Try the veal!"  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by pattik on Apr 5th, 2005, 11:55am

on 04/04/05 at 16:30:46, ExplodingEyeBall wrote:
I agree with that but at the same time, I also realize that the human brain and almost everything involved with it rely on electromagnetic impulses.

Do you think that sleeping with a strong magnetic field this close to your head may cause some weird sh** to happen?

Hey, why not. ;)  In the movie "Frequency", the solar wind really stirred things up.  It would be great to have it both ways..get rid of the CH and time travel at the same time ;;D
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by seasonalboomer on Apr 5th, 2005, 12:07pm
How bout Glyco Magnets?
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by pattik on Apr 5th, 2005, 12:18pm

on 04/05/05 at 12:07:12, seasonalboomer wrote:
How bout Glyco Magnets?

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by Pinkfloyd on Apr 5th, 2005, 12:36pm

on 04/05/05 at 09:18:25, ExplodingEyeBall wrote:
And since we're splitting hairs here....
Water does not conduct electricity. The impurities in the water are what conducts electricity.


Which leads (some) people to conclude that if you remove the toxins and impurities from your body, you'll cure many chronic problems.
Hoping not to awaken any enema proponents.

Wondering if impure thoughts conduct electricity more efficiently than pure thoughts? ;;D

Bobw
Not making fun EEB...my mind just wanders sometimes off the road more traveled. Chalk it up to excess impurities.
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by clarence on Apr 5th, 2005, 1:10pm
Really dangerous to mix metal in the body with a strong magnetic field.  Just ask Logan about the time he crossed Magneto:

http://www.translucentbeauty.com/community/images/wolv.gif

Think before your next MRI...

Casey
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by PCMCCK on Apr 5th, 2005, 1:34pm
Knew a guy who was into magnets and he was bugging me to death about trying them for a disc pain problem, so I gave in.  He came over with his "area supervisor" and they gave me a magneic mattress to try, a magnetic cushion to put behind my back for when I sat in my chair and some kind of magnetic massage-didn't do a thing.  When I questioned the "supervisor" about any scientific studies that I could read on the subject, she went into a obviously rehearsed speech about a conspiracy of the big drug companies threatening universities with cutting off funds if they studied this wonder-because, of course, they would find that magnets cured eveything and no one would need to buy their drugs anymore.  I asked her if her company had had any studies done and she said that they did not because such studies took too much time and cost so much money that they would have to raise the price of their devices (which were ridiculously expensive anyway) and that if they did the studies, which would prove the medicinal effectiveness of the magnets, then evil FDA would, in conjunction with the evil drug companies and evil AMA make magnets available only by prescription!  I didn't buy anything, but I did like the massage that she gave me and she pretty good looking and I really wished that my friend wasn't around........ ;;D
Title: Re: magnatism..............
Post by cootie on Apr 5th, 2005, 11:28pm
When we were in Myrtle Beach last year they had a big convention hall we went to....had lill bit of everything in there.....it was bike week. They had a setup of these big cozy recliners with some sort of massage roller deals setup in side of them in the backs and seat. They had 4 chairs set up and people were standin around waitin there turn.....myself I thought it looked odd cuz of how these rollars were movein peoples body parts head to toe as a crowd gather'd to watch. I think sum even had heat switch for yer back. Brad and sum freinds kept TRYIN to force me to try one out. People would do sessions of 10 to 15 minutes layin back in these big chairs vibrateing and rolling. Then I pointed out a small sign above the display.....not for use with certain forms of back problems and DDD (disc problems of all sorts). I shut em up at least and even asked the sales guy about it.....and he looked at me and said NO....the chairs were NOT good for back problems. Yet all you could hear was people talkin bout there acheing backs and the sales person telling them HOW WONDERFUL these chairs would be for them. (he didn't really know or ask why there pieces parts hurt) Sales pitch bitch Pam



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