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(Message started by: rextangle on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:22pm)
Title: THE REAL CURE
Post by rextangle on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:22pm
http://www.rextangle.com/pics/cobra.jpg
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:26pm
GIS for "The Real Cure":

http://www.homeoint.org/photo/c/close01.jpg
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by rextangle on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:28pm
Who's that??? [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:30pm

on 03/31/05 at 18:28:33, rextangle wrote:
Who's that??? [smiley=huh.gif]


That's you Frenchie ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by rextangle on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:30pm
Hey now! ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:33pm

on 03/31/05 at 18:28:33, rextangle wrote:
Who's that??? [smiley=huh.gif]

Stuart M. Close
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by vig on Mar 31st, 2005, 6:46pm
the father of homeopathy....
quack, quack, quack!
http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/stuart-close.html
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Ueli on Mar 31st, 2005, 8:47pm

Quote:
Homoeopathy is both an Art and a Science.

The Art to turn water to gold/money and the Science to deceive people.

Close was one of the popes of homeopathy, but the messiah was Samuel Friedrich Hahnemann 1755 - 1843.


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edited to add:
Those who like can celebrate the Quackfathers 250th birthday on April 10th     ;)
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by nani on Mar 31st, 2005, 8:50pm
Homeopathic allergy remedies are a godsend. Even Western medicine uses that principle. Tiny amounts of the allergen will eventually build up a resistance to them. I actually died (and was brought back) from a western allergy shot. I use homeopathic ones when needed now.
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by vig on Mar 31st, 2005, 9:05pm
http://skepdic.com/homeo.html

Western medicinal doses of allergen immunotherapy are MUCH higher than homepathic doses.

MUCH MUCH higher.


http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040815/689.html
Dilutions are on an order of 1:500
Homeopathic dilutions are on the order of 1:1000000
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by nani on Mar 31st, 2005, 10:14pm
EEK! Probably why they work better for me. Cheap, too. Lots cheaper than allergy shots or even antihistimines.
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Ueli on Mar 31st, 2005, 10:45pm

on 03/31/05 at 20:50:21, nani wrote:
Homeopathic allergy remedies are a godsend. Even Western medicine uses that principle. Tiny amounts of the allergen will eventually build up a resistance to them. I actually died (and was brought back) from a western allergy shot. I use homeopathic ones when needed now.

Nani, sorry to hear that you had such a bad reaction to an otherwise useful medicament.

That you think a homeopathic preparation help you proves that water in reasonable amounts is not harmful and the placebo effect is sometimes very strong.

The principle of homeopathy is to potentize (for the adepts) or dilute (for the skeptics) the active ingredient, to extremely low concentrations.
Example:
A potency of 10C corresponds to a dilution of 100-10 = 10-20.
Considering Avogadro's number = 6.025 * 1023 we can expect about 300 molecules of the active substance in 1 ml (milli-liter) of a 10C potency. At 12C we need a 30 ml to find one molecule, at 20C several cubic kilometers and at the often recommended 30C all the water on earth would be not enough for one molecule.

How come that these tremendous dilutions are believed to still have an effect? The adepts believe that by rhythmic shaking during potentizing an imprint is transferred to the water, so it doesn't matter that hardly any trace of the active ingredient is left.

But this is utter nonsense! No memory effect of water is know or has ever been observed. Furthermore, quantum mechanics and thermodynamics don't allow for such an effect. All attempts by the homeopaths to prove this memory effect were miserable failures. (BTW, some ingredients are not soluble in water, and so alcohol or milk sugar must be used as a carrier. Conveniently these too have a memory effect :o)

So the claim "Even Western medicine uses that principle" is simply not true, because that principle relies on mysticism, not modern physics or chemistry.

PFNADs, Ueli                 [smiley=smokin.gif]


PS: Sorry for such a longwinded post, nani, but others, beside you, read this message board too.
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Opus on Mar 31st, 2005, 11:25pm
Scientist were  shocked when they proved that a homoeopathic solution of histamine was found to have the same effect on cells as a regular higher solution. I am not saying I believe in the theory, but is it possible for cells to have a placebo effect without a brain guiding them?

Of course I also believe in quantum mechanics as much as Einstein did, so who am I to listen too. Sorry, haven't found any important links yet

http://www.wnho.net/tests_support_homoeopathy.htm

http://www.newstarget.com/001951.html

Opus/Paul
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 31st, 2005, 11:42pm

on 03/31/05 at 20:47:09, Ueli wrote:
The Art to turn water to gold/money and the Science to deceive people.



I have to chime in with accolades for Lorenzo Fowler, phrenology marketer extraordinaire of evangical fervor.  
 Originating with Francis Joseph Gall's "craniology" at U of Vienna, 1780's, and then called "phrenology by disciple Johann Spurzheim it was brought to America and "bumpology" was born.
 Lorenzo Fowler intended to phrenologize the nation, the reading of bumps on the head as a "science of the mind".   It had the sheen of science and the glamour of European origins.  And yes, they turned their art into gold.  The Fowler brothers (Orson too) opened offices in Boston, Philadelphia, and London and were considered the "wizards of manipulation"  The art just so happened to linger longest in the hearts of those who recognized themselves in its flattering reflection, therefore it had a glorious ascent in America.
 A practically lone sceptic, Mark Twain, was assessed by Fowler and found to be lacking in humor.  

Good call   ;;D


Kevin M
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Charlie on Apr 1st, 2005, 12:33am
The fundamental problem of homeopathy is in its efficacy. The possible risk is not in an incidental toxicity but in the fact that some may prefer a homeopathic remedy instead of a proved cure.

Don't get me started.

Charlie
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Barry_T_Coles on Apr 1st, 2005, 4:14am
Cute snake though.
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Hirvimaki on Apr 1st, 2005, 9:23am
Geez!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/de_profundis/4n1m4t3d%20g1f5/1d9220ad.gif

Hirvimaki-Isi
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by sandie99 on Apr 1st, 2005, 1:06pm
Yikes! :o
I'm scared of snakes....! :(
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by vig on Apr 1st, 2005, 1:22pm
http://kdlltd.com/vig/ThamnophisSirtalis.jpg
hissssssss!
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 5:53pm
If you ask me the subconceptual nihilism of the narrative line offers an oblique pragmatism. ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Apr 1st, 2005, 5:54pm

on 04/01/05 at 17:53:09, Jonny wrote:
If you ask me the subconceptual nihilism of the narrative line offers an oblique pragmatism. ;;D


Who the hell are you and what have you done with our Jonny? ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 5:57pm

on 04/01/05 at 17:54:39, Grandma_Sweet_Boy wrote:
Who the hell are you and what have you done with our Jonny? ;;D


Undoubtedly the iconicity of the mythopoetical whole conforms to low-brow tastes.

Sue me ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Apr 1st, 2005, 6:08pm

on 04/01/05 at 17:57:54, Jonny wrote:
Undoubtedly the iconicity of the mythopoetical whole conforms to low-brow tastes.

Sue me ;;D


Could we maybe serve up that Funk & Wagnells with a touch of barbeque sauce for you!  Did ya swallow the damned thing whole - what?
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Bob P on Apr 1st, 2005, 6:16pm
Really now Rex; why is that picture titled "cobra" when it a rattler?
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by clarence on Apr 1st, 2005, 6:17pm

on 04/01/05 at 17:57:54, Jonny wrote:
Undoubtedly the iconicity of the mythopoetical whole conforms to low-brow tastes.



I disagree, although Mortal Kombat is a good game. My favorite game is Donkey Kong.

Casey
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 6:41pm

on 04/01/05 at 18:17:30, clarence wrote:
I disagree, although Mortal Kombat is a good game. My favorite game is Donkey Kong.


I'm surprised that the disjunctive quality of the plot reinterprets aesthetic parameters. ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:13pm

on 04/01/05 at 18:41:02, Jonny wrote:
I'm surprised that the disjunctive quality of the plot reinterprets aesthetic parameters. ;;D


Please God - bring back Jonny with his boot - I don't know this strange man pretending to be him! ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:22pm
Oh its me alright ;;D

A logical explanation why you should drink beer. Guys...print this out and have it ready to read to "you know who". A herd of buffalo can move only as fast as the slowest buffalo, and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular culling of the weakest members. In much the same way the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers!
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:31pm
Hey! Anybody in the Boston area - for goodness sake - call out the guys in the white suits - you know the ones with the butterfly nets and those really neat jackets with the very long arms on them.  I fear our friend in Boston has finally flipped his lid!   He needs your help and I live too far away.

There must be an institution somewhere in the Boston area that a could provide him with a padded cell ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:34pm

on 04/01/05 at 19:31:12, Grandma_Sweet_Boy wrote:
There must be an institution somewhere in the Boston area that a could provide him with a padded cell ;;D


NO!!!!....PLEASE, not Dons basement......Whiteys down there ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:35pm

on 04/01/05 at 19:34:38, Jonny wrote:
NO!!!!....PLEASE, not Dons basement......Whiteys down there ;;D


Somehow I don't think it's Whitey you need to be concerned with - maybe the blow up doll? ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:44pm

on 04/01/05 at 19:35:49, Grandma_Sweet_Boy wrote:
Somehow I don't think it's Whitey you need to be concerned with - maybe the blow up doll? ;;D


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Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by don on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:51pm
Hey lame brain. Look out your window.

See that van out front with evrybody wearing hockey helmets.

Get in it !
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:51pm
ROTFLMAO - I'm done - you win this round! [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:54pm

on 04/01/05 at 19:51:07, don wrote:
Hey lame brain. Look out your window.

See that van out front with evrybody wearing hockey helmets.

Get in it !


You may have the lame brain part right.

But if anyone exits that van they will be killed....see me in the window? ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:56pm

on 04/01/05 at 19:51:42, Grandma_Sweet_Boy wrote:
ROTFLMAO - I'm done - you win this round! [smiley=laugh.gif]


I always win ;;D

Back to baking cookies for you granny [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by don on Apr 1st, 2005, 7:58pm
I'm not in the van. I am remote controlling it from Quincy.

GET IN!
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 8:01pm

on 04/01/05 at 19:58:01, don wrote:
GET IN!


The last man that request me to do that died a violent death......I will see you soon ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by don on Apr 1st, 2005, 8:14pm
Lance is in the van.
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Jonny on Apr 1st, 2005, 8:15pm

on 04/01/05 at 20:14:08, don wrote:
Lance is in the van.


Well, Why the fuck didnt you say so?

Ill be right out, these panty hose are a killer ;;D
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by Kevin_M on Apr 1st, 2005, 9:50pm

on 04/01/05 at 19:22:02, Jonny wrote:
Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.



Decades of insdiscriminite slaughter seems to have culled all but those that...

Quote:
If you ask me the subconceptual nihilism of the narrative line offers an oblique pragmatism
Undoubtedly the iconicity of the mythopoetical whole conforms to low-brow tastes.
I'm surprised that the disjunctive quality of the plot reinterprets aesthetic parameters


Was this about the Three Stooges?  I can dig man.   ;)


Kevin M
Title: Re: THE REAL CURE
Post by cootie on Apr 2nd, 2005, 9:54pm
Sumtimes the fastest and strongest buffalo up front trips and falls and gets trampled by the slowest becomeing the weakest. If you haven't got many smart brain cells to kill does that make you any smarter or just as dump or dumber drinking ? I know I tend to like people I didn't like before or dislike people I liked before when drinking alot. Turning tables Pam

PS: still can't spell.....killed a FEW brain cells last nite.....the good ones went first...........


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