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(Message started by: Mr. Happy on Mar 21^st, 2005, 10:38pm)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Mr. Happy on Mar 21^st, 2005, 10:38pm

Yeah. Tell us what the hell you got in your bag of tricks.

Seems easy enough, eh?

God damnit......I didn't start this thread. That weasely little fuck deleted the intro note, and left me holding the bag........just as I'd completed construction of the seasonally significant _Cross_ I was going to use to nail this simple shit in place......with GUSTO. Go have your 11 pages of diatribe. I was done with this fucker in 9 seconds..........

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 21^st, 2005, 10:53pm

Easy,

This won't BE easy. First things, first...use the word "cure" around here and you might as well paint a big red target on your behind. That is a fact.

Second, if there were a cure...someone around here has probably already tried it.

Save yourself some time and aggravation. PM me with your cure. I will give you the scoop on whether it has been tried or not around here OK?

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 12:14am

easy come easy go Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 1:02am

#1: Your first post is suspicious to begin with:

Quote:

after 15 years of suffering every January form 7:00pm to 3:00 am

What? Every day? Every other day? For a week? A month? And BTW, Cluster Headaches don't last seven hours.

#2: Using the word "cure" for a disease that not only has no known cure, but that the brightest minds in neurological research don't even know what causes it, is asking to be screwed with. Especially when you say you are worried about someone "taking advantage of it?" WTF is that all about? If you have information spell it out. The people here will either thank you or tell you it's been tried and didn't work. Dangling a carrot in front a bunch of tired, hurting, desparate people is a good way to get that carrot shoved up your ass.

#3: We are a family here and family helps each other. No one that suffers like we do would ever withhold information that would stop the suffering from another clusterhead unless that person were some callous, insensitive, sadistic arsehole or a snake oil salesman out to make a buck off the suffering of others.

So what is this cure? SinusBusters? Catshit on the forehead? Hot peppers up the schnoz? Spit it out boy!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Charlie on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 1:13am

Cure? Really? Wow.

So are we supposed to send a self-addressed stamped envelope, guess, or sit still until you deign to post this marvel?

Charlie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 3:26am

This guy with "the cure" sounds like an Amway salesman in a land where people don't need SA8. Crawl back into your cave. >:(

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by sandie99 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 3:45am

Easy, take it easy. We are bunch of people who have tried every trick we've found out and few more. Some of them work for some, others don't.

I'm on prevention no 6 or 7, so excuse me, if I'm sceptical even to my neuro's suggestions about new meds. It's good to try things and tell others about it,
though. But you shoudn't expect that any "cure" would work on everybody.

Best wishes & PFdays,
Sandie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 6:51am

Quote:

now do not know how to help without someone taking advantage of this cure. Any suggestions?

Infomercials on Sunday morning?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by rickyshot on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:10am

Do not feed the trolls people.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 9:53am

"do not know how to help without someone taking advantage of this cure"

huh? like people trying it and maybe it working? and then you could go to bed tonight with the great feeling that you cured thousands of people from an incredibly painful affliction. and then the nasty corporate pharmaceutical folks pull up in your driveway and beat you senseless for the rights, and then they withhold it from the sufferers unless they "pay up". But you fight them off, and continue to try to help the real sufferers, you post it all over the internet, and people are being cured all over, and you still feel good, even though there's people breathing down your neck and want you to sign over the rights to "the cure". you win the nobel prize for medicine, and for peace too, and you keep fighting those who want to take advantage of the secret cure.

oh...... sorry, for that delusional moment.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:37am

seasonalboomer,

ROFLMAO!

Nothing delusional about all that.

However to even start that process the gender non specific "easy" from Orlando would have to disclose this miracle.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:51am

People! People! Come on! Easy has three posts.

I vote we hear him/her out.

Then we can bring out the one legged Mexican and the Cheez Whiz...

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:56am

on 03/21/05 at 22:30:12, easy wrote:

now do not know how to help without someone taking advantage of this cure. Any suggestions?

If you are not one of those trying to "take advantage" then

POST IT. We are already well-informed about the scum-suckers who would profit from out pain, so let's hear it...

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:12am

on 03/22/05 at 11:03:19, guesst wrote:

I vote he should have posted his cure in his first post instead of drawing it out into some big guessing game...

Maybe he/she is a huge Columbo fan???

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:16am

I vote he/she should post his cure in a series of limericks with embedded clues as to its full details. Or, maybe better, only allude to the cure and then ask, "What would Jesus do?" as the punchline.

Sorry folks, haven't really been here long enough to be this big of a smart ass, but just feeling full of piss and venegar today. But, you folks sometimes just bring out the worst in a guy.

"I want to create the first bullshit detector
or maybe just a deflector
For the eye and the ear
A portable, with a battery good for a year."

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:27am

I should rephrase, "I haven't been here long enough yet, to show you guys how big of a smart ass I really am." .......You guys are such sticklers for honesty and making people own up to their own shit. Whew!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:29am

"Stickler" and "shit" should never be used in the same post...

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:37am

on 03/22/05 at 11:31:56, guesst wrote:

Yeah, you shit-stickler.

[smiley=laugh.gif]

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Langa on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:39am

All this time and we still don't know what the hell the cure is...? [smiley=ohjez.gif] [smiley=ohjez.gif]

Langa

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:41am

on 03/22/05 at 11:16:21, seasonalboomer wrote:

I vote he/she should post his cure in a series of limericks

Here's one..

There once was a guy selling meds
Which could clear up the pain in their heads
But he couldn't have guessed
That this family was blessed
With good humor, good sense, so he fled. [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:56am

Pattik, dat's a really good one!

[smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 12:13pm

THATS IT! THE CURE!

Its a shit-stickler.

Right in front of our noses the whole time.

You would think we'd pick up on that.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Tiannia on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 12:19pm

Well DD did he PM you? Seems like he is in hiding and Jonny and Redd did not even attack.

Love the limerik (sure I spelled that wrong... very very tired...)

-Tia

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 12:41pm

A cure for the ages it was
But it never made it through the buzz
Of the board’s swift attack
Asking, "why are you holding back?"
And easy said it was “just because”

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 12:42pm

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] ROTFLMAO! You guys are killin' me!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 12:48pm

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
...Head Poet's Society..

modified to add:

There once was a guy from Nantucket
Who peddled his meds in a bucket.....

(now you guys finish the rest)........

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 12:57pm

on 03/22/05 at 12:48:29, pattik wrote:

There once was a guy from Nantucket
Who peddled his meds in a bucket

But the Clusterheads were unkind
So he took his new find
And said, "If they don't want my cure then just fuckit."

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 1:00pm

on 03/22/05 at 12:57:42, Hirvimaki wrote:

But the Clusterheads were unkind
So he took his new find
And said, "If they don't want my cure then just fuckit."

Hirvimaki-Isi

[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] That's more like it.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 1:06pm

well pattik I didn't know what you were looking for, but here goes....

Easy chose to just take a pass
When the board simply showed no class
They took off his head
Telling him he can take his fictional med
And stick it right up his ass

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 1:11pm

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
L M F A O!!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 1:28pm

New amazing cure for bloating.

nnnng, nnng, nnnnng...ppfffffftttttt. Nice! ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by rextangle on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 2:04pm

Why doesn't that Turd Jockey tell us what the fuck it is already!!!

Stick a live Cobra up your rectum?
Playing Russian Roulette with a Beretta?

SPEAK UP YOUR FRUITCAKE!!!! I wanna try your magic shit!
[smiley=bigguns.gif] [smiley=finger.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 2:07pm

now the secret has been revealed:

it's a "magic shit stickler"

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 2:17pm

Who ya fightin with?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 2:20pm

on 03/22/05 at 11:16:21, seasonalboomer wrote:

This is the greatest thread ever...or at least just today!

Y'all always make my day.

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 2:27pm

This one isn't even worth pulling the sticks, spits, and recipe books out for.....

Redd who really is the mood for a good troll hunting party. I mean GOOD party!!! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 3:06pm

Know how to keep an idiot in suspense?

Tell you tomorrow.

Editted 'cause this idiot can't spell. :-/

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 3:30pm

Quote:

Who ya fightin with?

We forgot. It aint easy.

Wait a minute............It IS easy.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 3:34pm

Easy does it there, buddy...

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 4:41pm

I think his last name is Bayer.....does that help ? Pause for the cause Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BlueMeanie on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 6:11pm

on 03/21/05 at 22:30:12, easy wrote:

I am serious and wasn't trying to sell cure on e-bay

Hope not. We already have Mother Mary grilled cheese and Jesus toast. Cure for CH is right up there in the unbelievable category.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 6:15pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/de_profundis/4CH/easy.gif

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 6:26pm

Well Hell,

I tried to do the right thing and offer Easy some friendly advice. Seriously... I never got a PM, I never heard the cure.

Had I known he was going to run off...well, I woulda just poked him in the ass with my stick on the way out the door.

Opportunity only knocks once....

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by LeLimey on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 6:33pm

Never mind DD... we're used to a better class of troll anyhow! [smiley=laugh.gif] That was no flippin' fun at all

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 7:47pm

Hey Easy....I see you out there lurking, wanna come back in and explain yourself?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Sean_C on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 7:56pm

on 03/22/05 at 15:06:50, Gator wrote:

Know how to keep an idiot in suspense?

Mike I spent 5 minutes waiting for a pic to pop and you never posted a pic ;;D

I guess I'm the idiot who didn't scroll LOL ;;D

Sean.......................

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:12pm

on 03/22/05 at 18:33:10, LeLimey wrote:

Never mind DD... we're used to a better class of troll anyhow! [smiley=laugh.gif] That was no flippin' fun at all

You are so right, Helen....

Redd and I didn't even get a chance to plan the menu!!

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by KingOfPain on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:15pm

on 03/22/05 at 12:48:29, pattik wrote:

There once was a guy from Nantucket

(now you guys finish the rest)........

I created this in '04.

Since you asked....

A Man From Nantucket....

There once was a man from Nantucket,

his clusterhead he wished he could chuck it.

He went to the Doc,

saying "I need help with the block",

referring to his head with a knock.

The Doc wheeled in,

O2 with a grin,

saying "This right here, you can suck it".

KOP 01-09-04

;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Cathi04 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:17pm

HEY EASSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYYYY

I see you're online...would you like to try again?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:20pm

on 03/22/05 at 18:11:26, BlueMeanie wrote:

Hope not. We already have Mother Mary grilled cheese and Jesus toast. Cure for CH is right up there in the unbelievable category.

ROFL blue!!!

Seriously...everyone's posts were pretty funny...but that one, Blue..you definitely got me laughing out loud (literally).

Good thing I'm the only one who is in my apartment when I read half these threads. My roommate would probably think I was nuts with how much I actually "talk" to my computer. :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:21pm

I am sorry for pissing everyone off. I am 2nd day into this message board. To answer one question I suffered between 45 min. to an hour EVERY day with 3 or 4 attacks between the hours of 7:00pm and 3:00 am in my sleep sometimes. Over the last 15 years they were always in the month of January this year extended into Febuary. I know all the tears and suffering and desperation and truly want to help. If you look, some a-hole on the first response said sell it on e-bay. I DO NOT want to do anything but help. I will call my doctor tomorrow and ask his permission to post his name and number and let them explain thier 5 step plan rather than me. I was lucky to find this genious in Boca Raton,fl. through very influential friends. I only needed step 1 and the office visit cost me $250 but as you all know was well worth it. I work 12 hour days and only have time to stay on here for about an hour per night. So for those who thought I ran away last night.you are wrong. You will have to go to his office the same as I did, if he wont let me post it for some reason I will post what I did do and his prescription for step1 and pray it works for you as it did me!,tomorrow. Hope everyone has a great night!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:23pm

No offense....but how much does the first phone call cost?

And do you get a cut of the profits?

Sorry...I ain't buying anuther cure fer all...

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:29pm

on 03/22/05 at 20:21:23, easy wrote:

5 steps, huh? That will be a switch from the usual 12 steps most of us around here are used to...

Easy, you are not making it Easy on yourself. You need to understand that your vague and veiled promises of a cure only lead to more suspicion, doubt and inevitably sarcastic responses.

If you truly are a sufferer, I am glad you found something that helps. If you are not, then be prepared for the worst. We have had a stomach full of snake-oil salesmen and trolls around here, so pardon our skepticism.

I anxiously await your response.

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:30pm

see latest post on his thread on Meds Board, I think it is known in the business as a "teaser" campaign

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:39pm

KOP,

...cool poem...

Redd,

...break out the cookbook...

Jonny,

...shine up the boots...

Don,

you just suck.

[smiley=laugh.gif]

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:40pm

Quote:

some a-hole on the first response said sell it on e-bay.

;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D

I aint done yet peckerwood.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:43pm

a-hole??

I thought it was a most kind and generous offer of advice.

I think he'll be getting LOTS more good advice soon. I'm looking forward to offering some myself

W the B

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:48pm

http://www.easymidget.com/

http://www.easymidget.com/new/stories/storeImages/inverstonShirt.gif

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 8:53pm

Hold off on the torches and pitchforks, folks.

Easy has sent me a PM. Lemme check it out.

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 9:00pm

on 03/22/05 at 20:15:08, KingOfPain wrote:

I created this in '04.

Since you asked....

A Man From Nantucket....

Thanks, King....You are way ahead of us. Love it! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 9:05pm

on 03/22/05 at 20:53:43, Donna_D. wrote:

Hold off on the torches and pitchforks, folks.

Easy has sent me a PM. Lemme check it out.

DD

I've got the idea for an *easy* recipe for the evening keeping with the theme of this here play time.....

DD let me know when I can post the dish...you get to take the pic....maybe....lol

edit: nevermind I got it already......

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 9:16pm

on 03/22/05 at 20:21:23, easy wrote:

I am sorry for pissing everyone off.

truly want to help.

I DO NOT want to do anything but help.

..............tomorrow.

Hope everyone has a great night!

I can just feel how "sorry" you are. Truly touching

Quote:

I only needed step 1 and the office visit cost me $250 but as you all know was well worth it

We do? Nice suspense trailer.

Kevin M

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 9:19pm

on 03/22/05 at 21:16:14, Kevin_M wrote:

I can just feel how "sorry" you are. Truly touching

We do? Nice suspense trailer.

Kevin M

You got that too Kev?

Sheesh he's too *easy* to figure out!!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BlueMeanie on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 9:32pm

on 03/22/05 at 21:19:17, Redd715 wrote:

You got that too Kev?

Sheesh he's too *easy* to figure out!!!

Don't sweat it ppl, it's only $250 for the 1st visit. You may not even need more cash if you don't need the other 4 visits.[smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 9:36pm

Thanks Blue....

http://www.leisurearts.com/images/products/109151_e.jpg

I chose this cook book just in case...

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:05pm

It's been over an hour DD....

Fess up....what the guy/gal/thing got to say? You going to fill us in or not?

Am I going to have to round up a tickle possey?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by rextangle on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:10pm

Tapping my fingers on the desk.... chain smoking...
pacing back and forth...

Easy does it.

Rex

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by rextangle on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:14pm

Notice the main title....

http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/security/Security/CERT/cert-img056.JPG

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:18pm

Patience my Pretties....

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:33pm

Man, if I only knew being easy could get this much time with Donna...

I should be more truthful.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:36pm

OK folks here's the scoop. Easy and I have been conversing via PM. I have posted our conversations with Easy's permission. I think they speak volumes. Maybe we should not be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Putting away the stick for now.

on 03/22/05 at 20:46:47, easy wrote:

Donna d thank you for your honest advice!I do not know how to help other than getting people to be aware that my family doctors told me there is nothing I can do and there is No cure. A friend told me this doctor in Boca would cure me and he gave me relief the 1st day. He changed my diet and prescribed neurontin and the CH went away the next day. I know others have tried neurontin with some success,but with the diet changes he performed a miracle for me and once again sorry this pissed-off you or anyone.

on 03/22/05 at 20:51:36, easy wrote:

Easy,

Neurontin and diet changes HAVE worked for many folks but using a word like "cure" around here is taboo. We have been approached by people selling Tahitian Noni Juice to a Quack doctor who butchers peoples brains for a living. The response you are getting is a knee-jerk reaction to that word. With your permission I will post on your behalf. I am truly sorry that you suffer this horrible affliction. I myself am getting hit seven to nine times a day right now and NOTHING works...and there are a lot of folks out there like me.

I am not angry or pissed. I am glad you found something that worked for you. Just realize, it won't cure everyone.

Let me know if you want me to post.

Sincerely,

DD

on 03/22/05 at 21:01:04, easy wrote:

Please do whatever could help. I have no financial gain and would pay for your visit myself only because you seem like a nice person. If I could let you talk to him you would see he is a genious and after his questions he would stop your Ch the same has he has done for many lucky people. A Senators brother called a whitehouse physician and recommended this doctor for me. I know I did not get off on the right foot doing this but I will quit after tomorrow because I have not the time, if there is any way I can try to help you let me know.

on 03/22/05 at 21:04:43, easy wrote:

Easy,

Not a problem. I hope that you do decide to stick around..this place can be a sense of relief in itself. I would be happy to hear more about how your doctor helped you. If you research the meds boards you will find that there are a lot of food triggers for CH'ers. One of mine is Aspartame (NutraSweet) and foods that are high in Nitrates (Red Wine, Processed meats, etc.) What were some of your food triggers?

DD

on 03/22/05 at 21:21:34, easy wrote:

I have to go to bed now,you are right on some of the triggers. Some more are any diet drinks and soups,even homemade. The government lies about most additives as they did about cigarettes. However I was shocked that smoking and drinking were not a cause as I was told so many times before! A ct scan can and did help me as (polyps??) were discovered. Nasonex was prescribed twice a day. Everyone is different but he will nail the trigger down and stop them. I was told this before I ever went there and then found that he is one of the smartest drs. you will ever see,and he is not into making millions selling a cure, as I guess some thougt I meant. I am so lucky to know the right people or I would never have found him. Hope you go. Good-nite!

on 03/22/05 at 22:05:10, easy wrote:

I think people would best understand if I posted copies of our messages back and forth to each other. Is that ok with you?

DD

on 03/22/05 at 22:28:43, easy wrote:

Yes please!

Hope you stick around, Easy.

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:45pm

Quote:

He changed my diet and prescribed neurontin and the CH went away the next day. I know others have tried neurontin with some success,but with the diet change he performed a miracle for me

Specifics?

Quote:

he will nail the trigger down and stop them

One visit? Trigger?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 10:46pm

I will post more as the conversations continue...

Y'all were bugging me for an answer, so all the info has not come through yet.

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:02pm

Yeah.....really sorry ya have ch.......I'm a supporter here and only here for the hazeing Pam ;)

I have "bad" reactions to neurontin......doc prescribed for my back early on with a bad flareup but it made me totally SPACEY'r..... LOOPY'r.......DOPEY'r........DUMB'r.

Edited to add sum R's....................

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:23pm

The last neurontin thread on the meds board had very mixed results. In combination with diet, from which he says triggers can be identified, wasn't discussed. However, sounds like it was effective for "easy".

Why the two day, and continued waiting "to be confided only in with a pm" revealing? Pretty sure the board is for helping with totally "open" cluster discussion.

Kevin M

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 22^nd, 2005, 11:48pm

cuz easy is playin hard to get......it ain't easy it's my brother Pam ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 12:05am

on 03/22/05 at 23:48:57, cootie wrote:

cuz easy is playin hard to get......it ain't easy it's my brother Pam ;;D

Using 600mg of verap without dietary change secrets ain't hard to get out of me, no cure, but been effective.

Ain't got much more to tell ya tomorrow though. Spill my guts if those that found it effective and could use it didn't already know.

doors open and people are strange. Maybe it's me though. Dave's not home.

Kevin M

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 12:08am

I know a cure for constipation......that's all I know I swear it Pam ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 12:11am

on 03/23/05 at 00:08:07, cootie wrote:

I know a cure for constipation......that's all I know I swear it Pam ;;D

Prim and proper prune picker Pam.

8)

Kevin M

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 2:26am

Cured means the disease is no longer present in his body. No need for further treatment. So, either the doctor did something to repair his hypothalamus that Dr. Goadsby and the others aren't aware of and/or totally removed the disease from his body (good trick considering nobody knows what causes it in the first place) or he is in remission OR HE AIN'T CURED. He's been given what he claims is an effective treatment for him just as many here have found for themselves. Stop the treatment and the pain returns.

Dietary changes are among the thousands of treatments that have been discussed on this board and most that have tried them, that I have read, have written that these changes did little to nothing for their CH - even if they helped in other ways. Just another case of what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. I'll hang on to my $250.

How many of you would withhold even a viable treatment, let alone a cure, from the rest of us? I would not. Even if I did not come out and say it directly (due to confidentiality agreements) I would find a way to get the word out. I have never had to sign an agreement of confidentiality to see a doctor yet and would be suspiscious (if not down right scared) if I had to.

Another thing. If this doctor had the "cure" for CH, it would be in all the medical journals and doctors around the world would be using it on other clusterheads. Either that or there would be franchised clinics around the world, each paying royalties to this so-called genius. His name would be better known to us than Dr. Goadsby's.

Skeptical? You're damned right I am. Put up or shut up.

Damn. I'm starting to sound like Ueli! http://smilieville.homestead.com/files/Ummmm/sulkoff.gif

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 7:24am

"Neurontin and change in diet". Took me less than 5 seconds to post that. How long you two been PMing back and forth?

http://www.ebnmag.com/articles/i2a1p32.gif

We've been playing easy's game for going on 3 days now. Lets switch games.

http://www.perkigoth.com/home/kermit/stuff/bullshitbingo/

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by rickyshot on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:35am

Don. ROTFLMAO I am ready to play now. And of course it is not a cure. It is a treatment and thankfully worked for this individual. Since diet has never been a trigger for me ( I tried all that) that won't work. Neurontin did not work for me either. I am having great results with the kudzu in preventing migraines and ch so far, much improved. What works for one does not necessarily work for another. But alas there is no cure yet for CH.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Tiannia on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:22am

You know I have to agree with Gator. I'm sorry but the timing is suspect. He stated that his CH runs from Jan into Feb. When did he see the doc? It seems like it could have easily been remission. He would not know if it was a true "cure" for him until next year. :-/

Also, Neurontin does not work in one day. It is one (like many other meds) that need to build up in your system to be effective. So if he took Neurontin and the CH stopped the next day then the Neurontin had nothing to do with it. Also, is he still taking it? Episodics don't normally continue preventative medication treatments after they are out of cycle. Cant speak for myself, I've yet to find a preventative that works since my cycle started 21 months ago. Gabitril, Topomax, BP meds up the wazu, Neurontin, nada... none helped. Kudzu helps better then anything the docs gave me to tone down the HA.

Another thing... I cant see how a change in diet could take effect in one day either. Maybe Liz could help here, but doesn't it take a bit for food to leave our system. You cant change your diet and assume that the next day it changed your life. You still have traces from the day before in your system, dont you? [smiley=spit.gif]

His posts simply lead to more questions and not answers.

Gator, I have to agree with you about the confidentiality crap with the doc. I mean if a doc is not willing to treat you without you signing this then what is he afraid you are going to tell? ::)

Easy, if you have CH (total of 45 mins over the course of a night, god I wish), then I am glad that you found a treatment that worked for you and broke your cycle. Because that is all it sounds like it did. If it is still working for you next year when January hits and you don't end up with CH, then I will take what you are saying more seriously.

ok sarcasm is kicking in....
Maybe that is where the 5 steps come into place. The doc treats you with step one and breaks your cycle. Then the next year you get hit and have to go back for step 2 and so on. Damn I wonder how much the second DR. visit costs if the first one was $250.

PFDaN
-Tia

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:26am

okay, so I might'a been a little mean yesterday.

>:(

But, I still gotta say this is still one of the wierdest ways to pass along info like this. I understand why someone might even mistakenly use the word cure for treatment. Hell, I've been one of the many all over the kudzu "treatment" touting our success. But, the style here is still as shaky as ever.

Hope no one's making reservations to show up in Boca yet with cash in hand waiting to be picked up at the airport.....

There once was a post for a cure
That didn't seem to be wholly pure
So easy it seemed
Till someone got reamed
And the name of the Dr. no one was sure

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:50am

Easy removed all his posts.
I had a CH sufferer tell me all I had to do was follow the Candida diet and I'd be fine. Then he told me he carries his Trex everywhere.
:-/

I found (and still to some degree) Neurontin helpful I've been taking it for 5 years.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:58am

Aren't cure all hype's like faith healers ? Sum people jus need a kick in the ass to get over it......but I don't see that with CH.........kick in the head maybe with some lead Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:59am

Easy up and headed for the hills
When he saw people make fun of his pills
The critics were tough
But in the end it was enough
When we found out about the way his Dr. bills

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Ueli on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:59am

Gator, it's good to see someone using sound reasoning like Ueli ;;D

May take on the copyrighted or confidential diet: The good doctor is about write a book on his diet and is planning a big marketing campaign. But there are not that many clusterheads around to make it profitable, so this revolutionary diet must "cure" many more diseases as well, somehow like sinusbusters, noni juice, boji stones.

My opinion on diets: Since humans are omnivore it doesn't matter much what we eat. The times when onesided diets caused scurvy, rickets, goiter are long past. Sure, a suitable diet may have positive effects for certain health issues, but only in the long run. A diet that solves a health problem in one day simply does not exist. (And how boring it would be to eat the same thing every day >:(). If a 'diet' gives you an overnight 'cure' it would be some ingredient that would do the trick; and if the good doctor were only a tiny bit scientifically minded, he would find out what this miraculous stuff is. But I know of no disease that is cured in one day, except maybe scurvy.

Conclusion: A scam artist a bit more sophisticated than the sinusbuster bunch.
[smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 12:22pm

on 03/23/05 at 11:59:18, seasonalboomer wrote:

Easy up and headed for the hills
When he saw people make fun of his pills
The critics were tough
But in the end it was enough
When we found out about the way his Dr. bills

No one can say that we're not a literary bunch. Maybe we can all benefit from rhyme ;;D ;;D ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by LeLimey on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 12:56pm

on 03/23/05 at 11:22:10, Tiannia wrote:

... BP meds up the wazu....

Ppssst.. Tia sweetie.. you need to take them orally! ;)

on 03/23/05 at 11:50:17, nani wrote:

Easy removed all his posts.

Hmmm... Nani, must be that ole confidentiality agreement I expect....

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 2:02pm

At least no one can say were all EASY ! No I have a headache Pam ;)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 2:15pm

on 03/23/05 at 07:24:00, don wrote:

"Neurontin and change in diet". Took me less than 5 seconds to post that. How long you two been PMing back and forth?

At least I took the time to check it out before assuming anything....

I freely admit that I am always up for a good Troll Poking or for running off a Snake Oil salesman....but maybe, JUST MAYBE, we should take a little time to confirm the facts before running off someone who may truly be a sufferer.

I am not trying to confirm nor deny Easy's "cure"...but I was willing to listen, even if only to educate a Noob or debunk a BS Artist. Maybe I haven't been around here as long as some of you "seasoned CH'ers" and have not experienced some of the quacks and peddlers that have graced us with their presence. But, I don't want a TRUE SUFFERER to be run off due to a poor choice of words. If you had really read the PM's I told Easy I would post what worked to get rid of his CH. It was no carrot dangled in front of anyone, just trying to do a little fact finding before posting. Make your own assumptions, but at least I took the time to find out the REAL DEAL.

Sure am glad it wasn't a Noob using a forbidden word like "cure" that introduced Kudzu to the cluster community...

The name alone is enough to bring out the poking sticks and boots....

Stop, Look and Listen...

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 2:28pm

on 03/23/05 at 14:15:23, Donna_D. wrote:

Sure am glad it wasn't a Noob using a forbidden word like "cure" that introduced Kudzu to the cluster community...

The name alone is enough to bring out the poking sticks and boots....

Stop, Look and Listen...

DD

Good points DD... while I found the limericks hilarious...we really should've cut this guy a little slack and heard him out first. :-[
Sorry, easy.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by guesst on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 2:34pm

Yes, good points Donna....................... BUT how hard would it have been for him to list what his doc did for him in his first post, instead dragging it out over two days? That is what infuriates me. It's like he was going "Neener neener neener, I know a secret that you don't. Nah nah nah nah naaaaaaahhhhhh!" And who here has to call their doc to get the details of their own treatments? Huh, anybody? ::)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 2:45pm

He was going to contact his doctor to get permission to post his doctors name and address not his treatment plan.

And why would he WANT to help anyone here after the warm welcome he recieved after his first post?

I will be the first to admit that I may be dead wrong about this guy. If I am, I have lost nothing. However, if I am right, I have gained a little knowledge and possibly helped someone along the way. I PM'd this person to begin with because I DO have suspicions.

Have we become SO JADED? The Kudzu thread really made me stop and think. I saw the name and my immediate reaction was "BULL SHIT" and had it been posted by a Noob...well I would have brought the stick out immediately. What a disaster THAT would have been. How many people would have lost on that one.

What does it hurt to learn a little more even if it IS to confirm suspicion?

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 2:56pm

I already apologized for being mean. (But then I couldn't help myself and let out with two more limericks)

But, in the end, "easy" played games all the way out the door. Would only talk through a trusted "interpreter". If that isn't a ploy?
Maybe the catshit guy should have tried to befriend floridian and only released his secrets through such a trusted source.
Then "easy" still wouldn't reveal the "secret" really.

I think those points are more important than the fact that he may or may not have been "run off". I see folks with some pretty thick skins around here so far, toughened by "the beast".

If he's a sufferer, he will be back and maybe spend some time reading more and learning more. Because he will soon learn that the "cure" he was given worked like so many have worked for so many Clusterheads. And then one day come back with a new handle and "easy" will be just a memory.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:03pm

I was going to try and explain how some people don’t feel comfortable giving medical advice, and how this physicians treatment plan APPEARS to be based on the individual . But instead I will just …

Forget it.

I give up.

I was wrong.

Everyone else is right.

There will never be a cure or any new treatments.

So why fucking bother looking any longer?

Poke ‘em all and ask questions later…

Who Cares!!

(I do)

:(

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:03pm

Have we become jaded?

It would have been "easy", and I don't care what your communication skill level is:

"No, really, i'm so sorry I have mischaracterized my find. I am being treated by a new doctor and I'm really excited about the results so far. The first treatment involved neurontin and some dietary changes and I'm so delighted with the results. I'd rather talk to my doctor before I release his name for referrals -- talk to you all later and update you on my progress. PFDAN's to all."

And I think you'd even give a newbie at least a listen and run it through the process with the experts. what people don't say is VERY important to understanding what you are hearing from someone. Trusting your gut is important.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:05pm

I apologized to easy in a PM, last night, and he/she responded, so at least it got through. The limerick thing was just to good to pass on, but hopefully, if easy is a ch sufferer, he will return in some identity or another to reap the benefits of this wonderful site. :-[

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by LeLimey on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:10pm

Nope.. for Gena at least you are mr right!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:19pm

DD, you are correct in that we should give a person enough rope to hang themselves before we pull the chair out from under them. It has become a nasty habit around here to shoot first and ask questions later and unfortunately, most of us are guilty of this from time to time.

That being said, if the boy truly wanted to help, he should have laid it all out to begin with. I don't see a moral or ethical difference between him posting it or him telling you and you posting it. And he didn't even lay it all out to you. From the posts of your conversations, it seemed he was dragging it out with you as well.

I have a problem with saying "I have a cure" and then not saying what that "cure" is. His entry into the discussion boards was very reminiscient of trolls or snake oil salesmen gone by. I think my first post to him pretty much laid out the case for people's suspicions. He could have taken that opportunity to adjust his approach to this crowd. Instead he chose to continue with the carrot and stick approach. Overall, THAT is what drew so much hostility.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:31pm

on 03/23/05 at 15:19:12, Gator wrote:

That being said, if the boy truly wanted to help, he should have laid it all out to begin with. I don't see a moral or ethical difference between him posting it or him telling you and you posting it. And he didn't even lay it all out to you. From the posts of your conversations, it seemed he was dragging it out with you as well.

I have a problem with saying "I have a cure" and then not saying what that "cure" is. His entry into the discussion boards was very reminiscient of trolls or snake oil salesmen gone by. I think my first post to him pretty much laid out the case for people's suspicions. He could have taken that opportunity to adjust his approach to this crowd. Instead he chose to continue with the carrot and stick approach. Overall, THAT is what drew so much hostility.

Ding Ding Ding!!...El Bingo!!!

Thats why I stopped posting to this thread, the guys a dickhead in a major way, and since when is it wrong to post a docs name....theres a whole page of docs names on this site
::)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:44pm

Anyone gettin this? http://savage.authorslawyer.com/windmill.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 3:48pm

Quote:

most of us are guilty of this from time to time.

I'll be happily guilty of it evry single time some peckerhead comes around here pullin everybodies chain.

Quote:

So why fucking bother looking any longer?

Ya have to look in the right places. Not from some carpetbagger from Orlando.

Donna. You been had.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 4:11pm

Quote:

Donna. You been had

Maybe in yours and everyone else’s opinion…but no one will ever know the real truth now, will they?

But did I lose anything? Did I spend any money? Did I get hurt? Did I hurt anyone else?

No, No, No and No.

Did I endorse ANYTHING this person claimed?

So how in the fuck could I have “been had” simply by asking a few questions? Please do tell all knowing-one?

So while you may think it is funny, I don’t. Your opinion doesn’t amount to a hill of beans with me, Don. Anyone can run somebody off. I choose to ask questions first.

So sue me…

Guess we will never know the whole story behind, Easy…

Too bad.

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 4:11pm

OK I don't remember the time frame....but wasn't there someone who was posting this whole secretive posts about diet over on the CH specific board, I believe? Didn't that post grow to gigantic proportions and have no clear explanation as to what this magical diet was? Or maybe in the end...the diet just made no sense. Anyhow this whole posts seems strangely like the one I remember reading in the not so distant past on another board here.

As far as diets, I'm not for them. I agree with what Ueli wrote...we NEED a balanced diet and seriously...the food guide pyramid is not a joke. The day the news programs started to discredit the low carb diets, I about had a party...I had a smile from ear to ear since FINALLY it was going to be over. I worked in nutrition for 3 years and constantly dispelled myths that the low-carb diets created...such as Atkins, etc. Our brain fuels on one form of energy alone...and that's carbs...not protein or fat. If we don't consume enough carbs, we die. Now I know they state, "we've modified ourselves and we're not that extreme. You can have some carbs" and yadda yadda yadda...but....I'll keep my carbs.

I'm not saying this guy was advocating that cutting carbs "cured" his CH, but this could apply to many different food groups. Many times I've heard people say to cut out one whole gigantic part of our diet. We also need to look at what cutting this out of our diet does to the rest of our body. It could be a very bad thing...

As far as neurontin...well, I hated that med. I was put on it twice. Tia is right in that it wouldn't have been the cure if it worked the first day he started taking it. It's going to take at minimum about 2 weeks before it really kicks in. Sometimes certain meds seem to work on the first day (I was like this with nortriptyline when I was very early into my chronic daily migraine in 2001), but what was actually happening was that the med was making me sleep a LOT. The fact that I was finally sleeping was making me feel better. But my body adjusted to the sleepy side effects of the med after a few days, and the med itself never helped me. If neurontin worked after a day, I would think it would actually have to do with a side effect (such as sleepiness) which subsequently can subside once the body gets used to taking neurontin.

I know some love that med, but I had a ton of bad side effects on it. My mom takes it twice a day for another neurological condition which I also have..genetic. She tolerates it very well, although I still don't think it really treats her condition well enough! It's made it a little better, but she still has a lot of the symptoms of the disease...which to me means the med ain't working well enough!

My 0.02. I'll have to go digging for that other obscure diet post that I had read now!

Lizzie :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 4:25pm

I've been trying real hard not to post here but... Here goes. I guess I'm safe since I'm leaving in 30 minutes and I won't be back till Monday.

If this person was trolling (I think he/she was... This is strictly MY opinion) then, they are probably reading this and laughing their a$$ off because they got exactly what they wanted. Five pages and 112 replies, People getting their feelings hurt, people getting mad at each other over it.

Where did 'Easy' go? I don't have a clue. Was it a troll that got scared away? Was it someone with a legit message that got chased away?

I think Donna did a very noble thing in at least trying to communicate with this person whether anyone thinks she was had or not. She probably had some kind of idea what this person was up to when she contacted them but at least had the manners to contact them and find out for sure before roasting them.

MY opinion????? It's a troll and I would have roasted them publicly for all to see. But then again.. I'm not known for my good manners and hospitality. ;;D

DD... Don't get upset that some here (myself included) may have a different opinion than you about this. At least I know that you won't be the first to flame me if I ask something strange or try to recommend (sp?) something different.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 4:28pm

I have always found you to be a gentleman, Pat. You have very nice manners. :)

Modified to add: I have always found Donna to be a perfect "lady" with very good manners as well. :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 4:30pm

on 03/23/05 at 16:28:29, nani wrote:

I have always found you to be a gentleman, Pat. You have very nice manners. :)

I'm going to show this to some of my friends and see how many I can get to spray something out their nose. ;;D ;;D ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 4:47pm

Five pages and a hundred and fifteen posts and we still be tiltin them windmills and pissin inta the wind. Be done with this thread unless we could get a good hijack.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 4:53pm

OK.. Let's hijack it.....

How about pictures of things that show complete dis-regard for things like........ Stickers that say fragile???

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dd36b3127cce90e1ed07859100000016108EZs2rJy0ba

This guitar was in there but UPS couldn't destroy it because of good packing.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dd36b3127cce90e1ed1804be00000016108EZs2rJy0ba

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by ghost62 on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 5:25pm

beautiful instrament sp mark it explosive and it is tested even worse than that. ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 6:33pm

Quote:

Your opinion doesn’t amount to a hill of beans with me, Don.

Dont think I've ever seen an actual hill of beans. Seen a pile. Seen a handfull.

Saw enough once to maybe qualify as a mound.

You were had.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 6:38pm

Don,

I think you are just still pissed about this...

http://tinypic.com/28l8v7

:P

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 6:42pm

Dont make me get the big guns to gas you two ;;D

http://www.screenhead.com/funny/hitlerbaby.JPG

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by broomhilda on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 6:44pm

Nope Don...these are mounds...

http://www.oldtimecandy.com/images/candypix-pages/mounds_small.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 6:51pm

Your right. The beans were not mounds. I mistook an almond for a bean.

Disgraceful from a guy from Almond Town.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 7:33pm

Donna

I admire your openmindedness, and thank you for trying. Don is a very rude man, but then we knew that ;;D

For my part, I ain't got time to read the useful medical reports coming from the CH experts, I sure as hell haven't got the time to chase after someone being cagey about a diet for God's sake!

and as far as I'm concerned, I have NO belief that what I eat for breakfast dictates the state of my Ch or my hypothalamus.

it just isn't that easy, easy!

W the B

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 7:54pm

You wouldn't kick a pet hamster out into the woods, and you wouldn't want to treat a healthy and helpful
person the way you'd treat a troll. This means it's important to be able to tell the difference between a
healthy person and a troll, just as it's wise to know the difference between a hamster and a tarantula. ISaytoomuch Pam 8)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 8:01pm

Quote:

Don is a very rude man,

Others see it as straight forward and realistic.

If your looking to get stroked you picked the wrong guy.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 8:11pm

on 03/23/05 at 20:01:44, don wrote:

If your looking to get stroked you picked the wrong guy.

Um, as far as my calander reads Im the one that gets the stroking this month......see ya at the bath house big guy :-*

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 8:39pm

I knew. I fucking knew.

As soon as I pushed "post" I knew.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:10pm

on 03/23/05 at 20:39:51, don wrote:

I knew. I fucking knew.

As soon as I pushed "post" I knew.

Ahhh shit....just tea-bag me and get it over with ya hunk!!!

Wheres PBJ when ya need him ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:10pm

After another 12 hour day of work I have just finished reading all the responses.Most do not deserve a comment other than maybe you dont really want to feel better as I did,suffering for 15 years. I am so happy for myself and family and only wished you the same. Donna d I am again sorry, for the shit some of these people gave you because I pm'd you. I know I am right that you deserve to live pain free from CH because it seems you are a good person. I am finished with this web-site but will continue to help you or communicate if you wish. The 1st step worked for me as the dr. assummed,but told me there were 4 more plans if it did not. I therefore do not know what they were, or are. All I know I have been told for 15 years that there is no cure, and THEN I was told that this dr could and would cure me,and he did! I quit the medication after about 25 days, but still dont eat and drink what he told me and have no CH. For whoever wanted to know what his charge would be after the initial visit it would have been $75. The $250 1st visit lasted an hour of him just asking questions. I could have not gone as you wont,but thats too bad. I am done. Because of how I got his name and cure?for me (bad choice of words) I respected his privacy before I would post it. So rather than trying to explain anything further, with his permission here is his information:
James Cocores.MD
(561)241-6628
The Courtyard,suite270
5301 N. Federal Highway
Boca Raton, Fl. 33487

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:16pm

http://www.southcoastpsych.com/page3.html

James Cocores, MD, PA
Dr. Cocores is medical director of Southcoast Psychotherapy and Education Associates. He has been evaluating and treating adults, adolescents, and children with psychiatric disorders for more than 20 years. He is involved in on-going clinical research and has published more than 45 books, scientific book chapters, scientific articles and professional studies. His areas of research and clinical expertise include alcohol and drug addictions, bipolar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, depression, attention deficit disorder, anxiety disorders, and non-drug addictions such as food, gambling, shopping, relationships, and theft addictions. Dr. Cocores is currently conducting extensive research at the psychiatry/nutrition interface and is working on his new book, The Mood Diet.

Southcoast Psychotherapy
& Education Associates

5301 N. Federal Highway
Suite 270
Boca Raton, FL 33487

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:19pm

Quote:

psychiatric disorders

Quote:

working on his new book, The Mood Diet.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Ueli on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:25pm

Quote:

I know I am right that you deserve to live pain free from CH because it seems you are a good person (unlike most who do not deserve it) .

Now, nothing more surprises me from someone who goes to a shrink for his "CH" or tension headaches; it must be all in your head. ::)
[smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BlueMeanie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:28pm

Glad to hear your headaches stopped. If you have Clusters, we'll see you in a year or so when your next cycle starts. PFDAN

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:38pm

[smiley=spit.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BikerBob on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 9:58pm

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Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:10pm

Hell....I've seen people take a beatin on here that were new and within a month they regrouped and came back and were the most liked person around. It could happen Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:19pm

Quote:

The Posting Committee

ROFLMMFYBO!

Title: finally got interesting
Post by rumplestiltskin on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:28pm

...and in the last days there shall be good cops and bad cops. The good ones shall serve and protect the evil doer and righteous alike. The bad cop shall prey on both...actually shooting a bad guy once in a while.

which has nothing to do with the fact that if one has CH and knows how to point n click ...nothing can keep you from helping or being helped here at CH.com...except yerself.

Walk in the sunshine
den

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:29pm

easy,
obviously these people do not want any help, understandibly reluctant to any suggestion that there might just by chance be a "cure", scares the hell out of them...but if for one second they can take their head out of their ass and realise that relief for CH can be acheived before closing the door on opportunity. It is a known fact that most if not all diseases, disorders, chronic pains, and other health issues are caused by what we ingest or breath. But thanks to the FDA and the pharmaceudical companies no one would be in business of healing any disease or disorder if there was a "cure". Anytime someone or something is found to be a "cure" it is automatically dismised as snakeoil. Becuase if there was a cure alot of companies in the health industry would be out of business....for example if there was a cure for cancer lets say in a plant in africa do you think for one moment it would be revealed, hell no because more money can be made by treating the symptons than the cure, if there was a cure no more American Cancer Society, no more Breast Cancer awareness etc, etc, billions of dollars would be taken away by a simple plant in africa, so open your minds to what is possible and give easy a chance. I am excited to think that it might just be a "cure".. It looks to me this doctor has a great background whether it is psychological or physiological MD still follow his name. >:(

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:30pm

on 03/23/05 at 21:58:37, BikerBob wrote:

The CH.com Posting Committee has been notified regarding your post..

[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] ROTFLMFAO

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by john_d on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:33pm

on 03/23/05 at 22:29:02, gammitall wrote:

that's just too easy

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:35pm

People are smarter here then ya think.....they've tried and true'd everything there is to try for over 20 years....sum are goin to the BEST docs there are for this shit. So it is only understandalbe a simple CURE is not digested well.....as if they were too stupid to of known. It's not the person but how it's said Pam

Title: ight Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:51pm

you are right it is EASY, but your brain makes it hard, if you are convinced there is no "cure" than your absolutly right there is no "cure" ....besides if there was a "cure" this web sight would not exist and everyone would have to find other ways to be miserable.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 10:55pm

on 03/23/05 at 22:29:02, gammitall wrote:

It is a known fact that most if not all diseases, disorders, chronic pains, and other health issues are caused by what we ingest or breath.

How about skoliosis, ALS, heart valve deformities, MS, PMS, and by the way, I thought this thread was going to be hijacked in another direction...let's get on with it.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:06pm

At this time there is no known cure for CH.

However, they pain and symptoms for CH can be alleviated for some through medications, dietary changes and sometimes environmental changes.

The word "cure" has been used too loosely in this thread and I do not want ANYONE to misunderstand. What has been relayed to me via PM was not a "cure" for everyone...Only what worked to alleviate the pain and symptoms of Cluster Headaches for one person.

I want to make the above statement crystal clear.

While those of us who may have been around here for some time may realize that nitrates, msg, aspartame, mold, fungus (well not ALL fungus ;) ) are triggers for some folks, a new person excited about being pain free for the first time in as many years and wanting to help others may not....

I stand my ground. I choose my own battles. My mind will rest well tonight.

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:08pm

Wow......no one LOOKS for misery.......but it does like company Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:13pm

Would anybody be surprised if easy and gammitall were posting from the same ip? Not me.

I appreciate the due diligenge of Donna D, however, I think we see what's going on.

BikerBob - that was freakin funny!

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:17pm

diseases, disorders, chronic pains I am refering to are that which are not genetic iheritances, what I am referring to are: colds, flus, headaches, migranes, CH, Cancer, diabetes, acid reflux, ulcers, add, multiple sclerosis, lupus, muscular distrophy, asthma, depression, stress, anxiety, allergies, arthritis,etc,etc,etc

As an example the percentage of people dying today of cancer is the same as in 1970, how much money has been spent since then for a cure, billions and billions, yet you have a higher chance today of getting cancer than ever before, why is that? Could it be that if there was a cure, Billions and Billions of dollars would not get spent finding a cure? It is all about the money. So it is easy to dicredit what could be because we have all been taught it can't be. By just checking this web site for the first time it jumps at you there is "no cure", so why have the site why not everyone turn it off and deal with the misery... the fact is you don't want a cure, you have conviced yourself it does not exist.. and your right so good night.......

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:27pm

Don't feed the troll.

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:30pm

I'm also convinced it is not gonna wam up this weekend........and I am right ! Lookin for Mr Cure-it-all Pam

Lotta the shit goin round has always been around.....weaken'd immune systems I think has weakend us all.

ps: DD did good here.......yer a good person !!!

TROLLS: (quote).....It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger. Any direct response simply feeds it, but it will go away if you ignore it. Check
its details. I'm a sad creature for keepin this goin.....I must be bored !!!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:38pm

Your right don't feed the troll, he believes in the possibility of being PF.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BobG on Mar 23^rd, 2005, 11:53pm

I spent the last 2 days at the hospital and missed all the fun of this string.
Dang, I hate when that happens.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Ueli on Mar 24^th, 2005, 12:06am

gammitall,
do you think you can impress anybody here with your quotes from the snake oil vendor handbook 101?
Go back where you came from, back up your ass.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 12:31am

Wow gamitall,

Nice mess ya created there.

First of all, you stated that it is a "known fact" that most diseases are "caused" by what we eat. Known fact? This is news to me, and I've been working in health care for the last 8 years...including working in research for a good portion of that time. In nursing, while we focus on nutrition as important, I've never heard anyone proclaiming that food is the root of all evil in medicine.

For example, you stated in a following post that migraine is in the group of diseases caused by what we eat. No it isn't. It is a genetic neurological disease. Yes, there are food triggers for SOME people, but food does not CAUSE the disease!

Same with colds. They are "caused" by a virus being spread from one person to another and then the person gets sick as their immune system responds to the foreign virus. I see no food cause for that disease either.

I'd try again at that logic!

And then there's this issue of even if there WAS a cure, they wouldn't tell us anyways.

That's pretty damn cynical and paranoid if you ask me! I've had friends here in the city who say the same thing because they typically are paranoid about things. We had a recent conference here on AIDS in the black community, and one of the things they addressed was that much of the black community has felt that AIDS is a conspiracy by the government against the african american community.

I really can't see...as someone who works in the health care community...why in hell we would withold a cure for horrible diseases if one was available. We all work very hard to help those in extreme need. Yes, we do have to question the motives of the pharmaceutical companies at times, but I highly doubt that the cures for all our ailments are out there and they are hiding them from ALL of us! You don't think someone would start to catch on? Seriously...

Lizzie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Mr. Happy on Mar 24^th, 2005, 12:41am

on 03/23/05 at 23:17:38, gammitall wrote:

By just checking this web site for the first time it jumps at you there is "no cure", so why have the site why not everyone turn it off and deal with the misery... the fact is you don't want a cure, you have conviced yourself it does not exist.. and your right so good night.......

There is no cure. And fer chrissake, if you say Goodnight, mean it. Thanks for stopping by and sharing your infinite wisdom.

Stop tolerating this nonsense.
RJ

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:00am

I think I get it ;;D. I'll come here and say something so profoundly stupid that most people will blow a tire. >:(
Then I'll come back under another name ID and defend the other profoundly stupid statement so intelligent people won't think it's the same person. Nice try ::)

Medical Expert? NOT!!!

Give em hell, Lizzie ;)
Hope you are feeling well, Bob :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Cathi04 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:05am

I have only 1 issue with this thread...........well, perhaps more than that, but 1 major issue..........
remove the name Easy from his posts, replace it with Nani.....this could've happened with Kudzu, gang.
DD has said it, and now I am too.....
PLEASE DONT THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kudzu sounded soo unlikely, and I knew.I just KNEW it was gonna flop........but I grow more and more interested by the day.
What if Easy had brought you Kudzu???

Just a thought.........
Cathi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:16am

on 03/23/05 at 22:29:02, gammitall wrote:

Your very first sentence says, "I have no connection between brain and mouth".

and then you continue.

Kevin M

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:20am

Hi Cathi. I'm one of the fortunate people who was helped by Nani. The Kudzu is not a cure but it has made this --cked up disease easier to live with. In my heart you have insulted Nani, Floridian and others who were willing to just "say it" when it came to a possibility of a treatment that would help, not cure.
Doctors with books to sell.....whats next ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:23am

on 03/24/05 at 01:20:06, jokrs2 wrote:

No, Joe, Cathi hasn't insulted me at all. She makes a good point. If I'd discovered this in another way and as a newbie, brought it here, it may not have been taken seriously at all.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:27am

Hey EASY & GAMMITALL. (Probably the same person)
How about you go back to 1961 and pull me & my trike out of the way of the car that ran me over, tearing my scalp off and almost cutting me in half. You can be the one who has suffered for the last 44 years and go through all the additional surgeries and care that I have spent 100's of thousands of $ on. I know God will eventually heal me and ALL of my trust is with him. If you do that I'll buy your doctors book. End of subject. >:(A$$HOLE >:(

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:29am

If ya think it will work...........SPEAK UP..........don't beat around the bush. Are there more testimonials from people that were cured from ch thru this doc.......lets here from them too. Lets get it all out in the open.....details details ! Get that and people mite start to take notice and listen. Prove it so to speak. Proof or dare Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Mr. Happy on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:30am

on 03/24/05 at 01:05:33, Cathi04 wrote:

remove the name Easy from his posts, replace it with Nani.....this could've happened with Kudzu, gang.

HORSEHOCKEY.
This whole thing started out stupid, then deteriorated. When push came to shove, it boiled down to diet, neurontin, and nasal steroids. Gimme a break. I'm all for intelligent input, but this was beneath my dignity, and yours as well. Show some respect for the years of CH discussion by people that know and care.
Don't even begin to compare the Kudzu experiment with the yogurt head that deleted himself from this board after a few posts. Don't.

Nani sucks, but she's too old to suck well.
RJ

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:33am

OK Nani. ;) Stuff like this just eats me up, but they act like we just need to accept it, and the original post was so sneaky and insincere, almost like I'm hiding the secret..nananananana.....ebay etc.....
Pardon me Cathi. :-X

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:35am

on 03/24/05 at 01:30:56, Mr. Happy wrote:

Nani sucks, but she's too old to suck well.
RJ

ROTFLMAO you old fart!!! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Cathi04 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:36am

Joe, please reread my post....and take a look at the Kudzu threads....I am one of Floridian's/Kudzu's more interested parties.....I am 100% behind these studies....the point I was trying to make is this: if a recognized name here in CHville brings up something like Easy did, it would be discussed, considered, mulled over by the gang, and the person who brought that idea here would be thanked...
A stranger rolls along, and whatever new idea he/she has is immediately dismissed, and that newbie is treated as a snake oil salesman.......
If Easy had suggested Kudzu....it never vwould have gotten to where it is now.with so many CH'ers in an informal study....IT and Easy would be skidding across the parking lot as we speak.......
This is not to say there havent been a ton of snake oil salesmen who have slithered into CHville....with countless useless, overpriced preparations and practices.
Not sure that this one came off quite the same, but that doesnt matter, it's done. What DOES matter is the chance that someone.ANYONE show up here tomorrow, with a potential solution to CH, and before he has had a chance to state his case, he, TOO, is skidding around the parking lot on his keester.
Cautiously optimistic about Kudzu, and thrilled to find it helping.........
Cathi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Charlie on Mar 24^th, 2005, 2:05am

Doesn't Gammitall remind you old timers of our old friend VD? Ueli, Jonny and Ted had a field day with him about 4 years ago. Gammitall takes his time but the story isn't new.

Charlie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 2:09am

Cathi,

First let me say that I'm not promoting that we beat off with a stick anyone who proposes a new idea here who also is a newbie.

However, to go with what my mom has always said (and actually she is usually referring to food when she says this, which is ironic here!) -- "Presentation is key."

If anyone comes here to discuss a treatment that has worked for them, I think we would welcome them with open arms. However, here we don't talk about "cures" for CH and also...the person really did not discuss the treatment outright. It took quite some time before we ever got any answers, and then as Randy said...all we got was diet, neurontin, etc. What is it...even about diet? We never even got that far. Plus...a 5 step program, but this guy was helped at step 1, so we don't even know what steps 2-5 are.

I really don't think that Nani or anyone else who presented the Kudzu ideas did it in a way that was vague or misleading. They were pretty straightforward about it.

I do think that presentation is key here. I know I'd personally listen up to anyone (new or old) who wanted to share an idea that worked for them, but I think it needs to be presented in a lot better manner than was done here!

After 7 pages...all I can STILL say about the "cure" proposed in the first post is [smiley=huh.gif]

Lizzie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 24^th, 2005, 2:11am

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dc35b3127cce906e0b35c0a100000016108Eas2LNu3bi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 24^th, 2005, 6:26am

Quote:

Doesn't Gammitall remind you old timers of our old friend VD?

With the intelligence level of Waterdog and the diplomacy of Opie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 24^th, 2005, 7:31am

on 03/23/05 at 23:17:38, gammitall wrote:

Ignorant tw*t

Quiz for today: How many of the above, including CH ARE genetically inherited?

W the B

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:06am

on 03/23/05 at 21:10:32, easy wrote:

So rather than trying to explain anything further, with his permission here is his information:
James Cocores.MD
(561)241-6628
The Courtyard,suite270
5301 N. Federal Highway
Boca Raton, Fl. 33487

Quote:

Dissociation Articles - ... Some recent books on multiple personality and dissociation. Journal of the American Society for ... Cocores, JA, Santa, WG, & Patel, MD (1984).

The James Cocores, MD, spoken of, has a middle initial of "A"

Quote:

Cocores, J.A., Bender, A.L., & McBride, E. (1984). Multiple personality, seizure disorder, and the electroencephalogram. Journal of Nervous & Mental Disease, 172, 436-438.
Abstract: Used the EEG to study multiple personality in a 48-yr-old ambidextrous male admitted for alcohol detoxification and individual psychotherapy. Despite conflicting reports in the literature, no changes in the EEG were found that could not be ascribed to the normal changes seen in transitions from various states of alertness. The problems of differentiating multiple personality as a psychiatric entity in itself from those cases arising as a result of chronic partial or partial-complex epilepsy are discussed. (23 ref) ((c) 1997 APA/PsycINFO, all rights reserved)

The meek and timid "easy", and the aggressive protector "gammitall".

on 03/23/05 at 22:51:08, gammitall wrote:

you are right it is EASY,

Kevin M

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:38am

colds, flus, headaches, migranes, CH, Cancer, diabetes, acid reflux, ulcers, add, multiple sclerosis, lupus, muscular distrophy, asthma, depression, stress, anxiety, allergies, arthritis,

ALL of these have been showen now to have a hereitary influence in increased risk among families having any of these diseases.

What a twit indeed.

I'm excited to hear that CH is caused by what I eat or don't eat and not a faulty hypothalathingy....what a waste of time for Goadsby huh? ::)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:13am

Quote:

Posted by: john_d Posted on: 03/23/05 at 21:33:29

on 03/23/05 at 21:29:02, gammitall wrote:
easy,
obviously these people do not want any help, understandibly reluctant to any suggestion that there might just by chance be a "cure", scares the hell out of them...but if for one second they can take their head out of their ass and realise that relief for CH can be acheived before closing the door on opportunity. It is a known fact that most if not all diseases, disorders, chronic pains, and other health issues are caused by what we ingest or breath. But thanks to the FDA and the pharmaceudical companies no one would be in business of healing any disease or disorder if there was a "cure". Anytime someone or something is found to be a "cure" it is automatically dismised as snakeoil. Becuase if there was a cure alot of companies in the health industry would be out of business....for example if there was a cure for cancer lets say in a plant in africa do you think for one moment it would be revealed, hell no because more money can be made by treating the symptons than the cure, if there was a cure no more American Cancer Society, no more Breast Cancer awareness etc, etc, billions of dollars would be taken away by a simple plant in africa, so open your minds to what is possible and give easy a chance. I am excited to think that it might just be a "cure".. It looks to me this doctor has a great background whether it is psychological or physiological MD still follow his name.

that's just too easy

Nope. That's Easy²

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dd34b3127cce90e6644c94bb00000016108IaOHDlu2bI

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:27am

so it wasn't in a limerick. it was embedded in the mystifying message from his great defender, gammitall.

"but if for one second they can take their head out of their ass"

The Cranial/Rectal Extraction Method.....

Thanks --

As for throwing out babies and bathwater --- I don't agree that is true. There are enough eyes to give chances and enough knowledge to recognize something for what it is around here.
So, rage on.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by karma on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:40am

I'm convinced these threads are started by my alter ego the minute I let down my guard and let him chew on empty beer cans.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dd28b3127cce90ce4540fa6700000016108AcsmzFm4bNz
Pay no attention folks I'm headed back to my cave until things get slow again.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:42am

You have got to stop posting pics of Mr Happy's kids without his permission, karma... ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:10am

on 03/24/05 at 09:27:40, seasonalboomer wrote:

No, they are correct in that "new" ideas are usually better tolerated from long time members than from new commers, but a newbie who presents himself well and answers questions with answers rather than attitude stands a better chance of being heard than someone who plays games with our interest. The various message boards are full of posts from new people who said "Hey, ...... worked for me." Some are questioned more in depth and others are just left to drop off the bottom. For the most part, though, these types of posts are at least answered with an "I'm glad it worked for you." Very few are just outright attacked by the general membership.

Unfortunately, any possible good message this guy could have delivered was doomed to failure by the way he tried to deliver it. He used time dishonored trolling tactics rather than to introduce himself to the crowd and tell of what worked for him. I know most of us could have overlooked his use of the word cure had he at least come forward and presented his information.

In this case what was lost? Another new diet and a prescription for neurontin from a psychiatrist.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:12am

on 03/23/05 at 21:10:10, Jonny wrote:

Wheres PBJ when ya need him ;;D

Hey now! I leave the board for 12 hours................

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 24^th, 2005, 11:35am

on 03/24/05 at 07:31:56, pubgirl wrote:

Ignorant tw*t

W the B

on 03/24/05 at 08:38:52, Redd715 wrote:

What a twit indeed.

Redd, you didn't really think that Wendy was calling him a twit did you? I'm not sure the Brits use that word.

Just wondering.

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 24^th, 2005, 11:55am

on 03/24/05 at 01:05:33, Cathi04 wrote:

I hear what you're saying Cathi. And it still sounds sooo unlikely. It's Kudzu after all. The shit you see growing on the side of the road. And so does the clusterbusters technique. And there are still plenty of people that will not try these things. But some will read and listen. But I do think the collective knowledge gleaned on this site can point at an obvious faux cure and call it what it is. Read the Kudzu thread and related entries -- there's plenty of skeptics posting, and lots of banter about how farcical it seems. But that hasn't stopped people (newbies to alumni) from posting thoughtful and sensitive posts about the fact that they're seeing "some" results, but still aren't sure.

So I just don't think we should feel all guilty and bad about ourselves because of this. It's still pretty clear that he's pretty much an ass and there is little doubt that he's shown his ass. If it smells like an ass and has effluence like an ass, call it by it's right name.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 24^th, 2005, 12:02pm

Very well said my friend now will someone hijack this thread again.It is time.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 24^th, 2005, 12:26pm

FYI…if you want to find out if someone is posting using two names from the same IP address…you email the webmaster. Which I did. Guess what? Gammitall and Easy are NOT one in the same. In fact they were both online at the same time several times last night had anyone cared to look.

Unfortunate for us, Easy removed his posts. Had they still been available, you would have seen that they never said “new diet” only “changes in diet”. The rest of the conclusions that have been drawn about that were probably due to the mob mentality that is running rampant through this thread.

I am taking the time to get to know Easy. In fact he is a really nice guy and I hope he plans to stick around. While starting Neurontin and removing MSG, Nitrates, Artificial Sweeteners and a few other food triggers and starting to use a CPAP his CH appears to be under control at the moment. However, we have discussed the possibility that his cycle may have coincidentally ended around that time and that there is no true cure for CH. He has been episodic for 15 years and is finally having some PF time due to the above.

There is no “secret diet” or “miracle cure”. Only a person willing to share what worked for them and wondering if it might help someone else. Easy is not a doctor from Florida selling a book—he would have to have a transporter from Star Trek to accomplish some of the posting that was done last night.

I agree that the delivery of the original message was suspicious. However, we are not all internet savvy and we all do not have eloquent speech and language skills. Maybe we jumped too soon?

Easy, I hope you stick around so that if the Neurontin ever stops working for you that you can learn some alternative ways to treat your CH.

DD

PS. Gamitall…you are on your own…I have had the shit kicked out of me enough in this thread.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by purpleydog on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:00pm

on 03/23/05 at 14:34:23, guesst wrote:

Yes, good points Donna....................... BUT how hard would it have been for him to list what his doc did for him in his first post, instead dragging it out over two days? ... And who here has to call their doc to get the details of their own treatments? Huh, anybody? ::)

Dragging it out for two days... I watched the beginning of this thread and it seems a lot of skeptics were dragging it out. Would you want to post if it were you, after the heckling he got?

And, I have had to call my doc to get details of treatment before, especially when my brain was so fucked up form CH that I couldn't remember wtf he told me. So what?

::)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:06pm

Donna,

Ok, I apologize. I think I may have first insinuated that easy and gammitall were the same. I am sorry. I am sorry to easy, and sorry to Donna.

But you have to admit that it was a bit suspicious. Here comes this gammitall guy who is brand new telling everyone to pull their heads out of their asses. What is up with that? Maybe easy is cool. Maybe. But gammitall is a troll. Nobday comes new to a site and tells the people there to pull their heads out of their asses unless he is trying to instigate something.

It was just all a little too weird. Besides, I think that I could probably log on under two different names by either using two different browsers or two different computers, so I could be on at the same time as myself. And if I were on two different computers, I might have 2 different ips.

Anyway, I am sorry I offended you. I just think this whole thing is a bit ridiculous.

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:31pm

Clarence,

I am not offended. All I wanted to do was give people some facts surrounding this whole mess. Easy is a nice guy. And if the only thing that came out of this whole fiasco was that I had a chance to befriend yet another clusterhead...then it was all worth it.

And Gammitall...I have no clue about them. But I do know what he said was not exactly deserving of a warm welcome.

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:39pm

Donna, no one has been kicking you for being patient and polite with this person. If anything you were applauded for taking the time to talk to him by most that even publicly commented to you. The worst I can find that was said to you was from Don when he said you had been had. I don't understand why you are so sensitive about this and why you are taking it so personally that people are upset with the boy. Yes, the dude got the cold shoulder on his first post in the Meds board. Even after explaining to him why he was treated so poorly, he continued with his guessing games. For that matter, even in your PM's, you had to drag information out of him over the course of what, 2 days, now?

People were frustrated by the teasing nature of his posts.

And you know as well as I do - no one likes a tease. ;)

Luv ya girl.

Mike

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Donna_D. on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:53pm

on 03/24/05 at 13:39:03, Gator wrote:

I dunno, Mike. I just felt like a huge "wrong" was being committed here and felt a personal desire to "right" it.

Must be my kudzu enhanced superpowers kicking in ;)

http://www.classicmedia.tv/assets/circles/underdog.gif

I would do the same for any of y'all, I hope you know that.

No hard feelings....Let's let this thread go now?

:-*

DD

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jimi on Mar 24^th, 2005, 1:59pm

And all God's people said..........AMEN!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 24^th, 2005, 2:05pm

Quote:

The worst I can find that was said to you was from Don when he said you had been had. I don't understand why you are so sensitive about this and why you are taking it so personally that people are upset with the boy

And that wasn't even meant as a slam. If you been had you been had. Big fuckin deal.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 24^th, 2005, 2:10pm

on 03/24/05 at 13:06:52, clarence wrote:

I think that I could probably log on under two different names by either using two different browsers or two different computers, so I could be on at the same time as myself. And if I were on two different computers, I might have 2 different ips

:Dthis is a perfect solution for the split-personalities in the group ;)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Gator on Mar 24^th, 2005, 2:19pm

on 03/24/05 at 13:00:10, purpleydog wrote:

If ding dong hadn't removed all his posts, you could see that initially he was more worried about someone "taking advantage" of his cure than he was in delivering his message. The heckling didn't get bad until he failed to publicly follow through with his publicly posted "desire to help" when even Donna was making ready with the troll stick.

He wasn't calling his doc for treatment details. He was calling him to get permission to post the docs name

Quote:

Because of how I got his name and cure?for me (bad choice of words) I respected his privacy before I would post it.

Quote:

Posted by: Donna_D. Posted on: 03/23/05 at 13:45:45
He was going to contact his doctor to get permission to post his doctors name and address not his treatment plan.

and he never did post his treatment details. He has made Donna drag it out of him via PM over the course of 2 days - SO FAR.

And when the docs name was revealed, Ueli's prophetic post was brought to light.

Quote:

Posted by: Ueli Posted on: 03/23/05 at 10:59:54

May take on the copyrighted or confidential diet: The good doctor is about write a book on his diet and is planning a big marketing campaign.

Quote:

Posted by: Redd715 Posted on: 03/23/05 at 20:16:13

http://www.southcoastpsych.com/page3.html

James Cocores, MD, PA
Dr. Cocores is medical director of Southcoast Psychotherapy and Education Associates. He has been evaluating and treating adults, adolescents, and children with psychiatric disorders for more than 20 years. He is involved in on-going clinical research and has published more than 45 books, scientific book chapters, scientific articles and professional studies. His areas of research and clinical expertise include alcohol and drug addictions, bipolar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, depression, attention deficit disorder, anxiety disorders, and non-drug addictions such as food, gambling, shopping, relationships, and theft addictions. Dr. Cocores is currently conducting extensive research at the psychiatry/nutrition interface and is working on his new book, The Mood Diet.

Southcoast Psychotherapy
& Education Associates

5301 N. Federal Highway
Suite 270
Boca Raton, FL 33487

There are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of the boy and his motives.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by rextangle on Mar 24^th, 2005, 2:28pm

ok... this has been fun.
Tune in for our next episode of "The Cure"....
Good night everybody.
-------------------------------------------------------

THE END.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by mikey-de on Mar 24^th, 2005, 3:09pm

I'm with underdog! WTG Donna! [smiley=hug.gif] Anyone read the book? lmao [smiley=laugh.gif] The limiericks were funny, too bad it was at someone elses expense :-/

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 24^th, 2005, 3:48pm

http://www.sdplastics.com/dedhorse.gif

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 24^th, 2005, 3:50pm

on 03/24/05 at 15:48:47, vietvet2tours wrote:

http://www.sdplastics.com/dedhorse.gif

Speaking of hijacks...
How many people get their cliches wrong?
My sister once said to me "You know, you can't keep beating your head against a dead horse!"

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 24^th, 2005, 3:56pm

This thread deserves the blue light special flashing icon......ok now......all together folks :

SYNCOPATED JUMPS FORWARD WITH CLAPS

Jump forward, landing on RF first
Complete the jump by bringing LF next to RF, shoulder width apart
Hold (with weight on LF) and clap hands &
Jump forward, landing on RF first
Complete the jump by bringing LF next to RF, shoulder width apart
Hold (with weight on LF) and clap hands

Achey breaky fart Pam
;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 24^th, 2005, 3:56pm

That's crazy Nani, because my sister gets her metaphors mixed up with her cliches:

"all the world's a stage being pulled by dead horses with their heads beaten"

hav'a'great easter!!!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 24^th, 2005, 3:57pm

My mother's favorite saying was"You can wish in one hand and shit in the other then see which one comes full first."

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Tiannia on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:01pm

I am appoligizing for spelling right now, but I am pissed and I think faster then a type...

I also appoligies for not allowing the hijack to happen, but I needed to say this. >:(

on 03/23/05 at 23:17:38, gammitall wrote:

diseases, disorders, chronic pains I am refering to are that which are not genetic iheritances, what I am referring to are:[b] headaches, migranes, CH, Cancer, diabetes, ulcers, add, multiple sclerosis, lupus, asthma, depression, allergies, arthritis,etc,etc,etc[/b]

OK this has pissed me off........... The red items above ARE heriditary you fucking nimrod. I happen to have mulitple Auto Ammune diseases and they are traced back through my family. My mother is suffering from MS right now. She lost 4 children because of it and I almost lost both of mine because my immune system sttacked both of them in my 3rd trimester. How DARE you state that this had ANYTHING to do with what I fucking ate. Maybe you should do some research before you start spouting off at the mouth and show yourself to be more of a fucking idiot then a god damn maggot infested piece of shit.

The other items that are listed about have both
on 03/23/05 at 22:29:02, gammitall wrote:

psychological or physiological

studeis done with imperical evidence showing that they are herediatary as well.

Also since you are so fond of stating that it does not matter if
on 03/23/05 at 22:29:02, gammitall wrote:

psychological or physiological

MD still follows his name. Maybe you need a little education on what psychological training actually means. I doctor with a psychological does not actually go do med school. They might get certified to perscribe certain medications but they are NOT Medical doctors. That is like saying that it deos not matter if it is a Doctor of Political Science they still have MD behind their name.

I have my Psych degree, working in counseling for 8 years (mostly witht he mentally ill) and I understand that there is a certain power that the mind has over the body. But there is a point that mental training and Medicial medication has to be used to treat medical conditions. I also happen to be Pagan and feel that any natural treatment far exceeds the use of synthetic medicines. But anyone who uses these treatements will also stand behind the fact that both natural and scientific doctors need to be consulted so that there are no ill effects from the treatments taken.

Donna, You did a great job and Easy could easliy (no pun intended) have made his point in a different way and would not have been run through the ringer. But I posted very valid questions in my post. Did not flame anyone and was still not answered. So what he states still does not seem valid. The obvious issue is that he stated that his cycles run and are done in Fib- he is PF now. Well no shit. What is he going to do next year?

Nani, there is a differece in the Kudzu stuff. You presented a question. You had back up for why you where trying it and like many other people who post in meds or getting to know you have said that this is working for me, has anyone esle tried this. Floridian is a big supporter of anyone who posts a valid question and he finds scientific studies that will show what has been done.

This Fuck Gammitall is not backing up what he said and is stating utter fucking bullshit which I will not stand by and wait for people to respond to.

OK I have to work. When "Dammitall" decides to remove is head from his ass, maybe he can have a discussion or provide back up for what he has said because all I see is a lot of conjecture and no fucking proof.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d829b3127cce99ba3700c98f00000016108AcuXDJu2ZNp

The pic will not post so here is a link. Might look familiar Gammital.....

Blessed me, I need to go ground before I take someones head off.
-Tia

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:11pm

on 03/24/05 at 15:57:39, vietvet2tours wrote:

My mother's favorite saying was"You can wish in one hand and shit in the other then see which one comes full first."

Dude, you freaking crack me up! You have been wanting a hijack from like 6 pages ago on this thread. I wish I could help but I am not around long enough at one time to do it. Where the hell is Rock?

http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~adamchao/forumpics/hijack.jpg

Dead Horse! Ha. I love this place.

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:13pm

Here's a natural snack for the new diet:

http://hackvan.com/pub/stig/pix/random/natural-snack-mascot.jpg

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:14pm

You know, it would have saved some time if ya'll would have just looked under Gammit's profile for the pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/de_profundis/4CH/Head_up_Ass.jpg

'Nuff said...

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Frank_W on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:19pm

The definition of a horrible tragedy:
http://www.jeepaholics.com/support/files/Jeepgun/20041215120647_beer.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:20pm

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't teach him new tricks??...
http://members.shaw.ca/downeyfarm/clinic19Jun04/water3.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:25pm

on 03/24/05 at 16:13:29, clarence wrote:

Here's a natural snack for the new diet:

[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif]
I'm dy'in here...thanks, Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by mikey-de on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:31pm

Where is this place...I would like to volunteer for cleanup!!! and a few of my friends too ;;D

[smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:47pm

Where is GAMERA when we need him.....he eats trolls and ass-holes Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Posting-committie on Mar 24^th, 2005, 4:59pm

on 03/23/05 at 22:19:24, don wrote:

ROFLMMFYBO!

Laugh it up fatass, we are watching.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:04pm

on 03/24/05 at 16:47:34, cootie wrote:

Where is GAMERA when we need him.....he eats trolls and ass-holes Pam

http://www.dreamland.co.jp/jp/godzilla/gamera.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/justinknol/images/usefulstuff/gamera-gotu.jpg

Gaurdian of the Universe!

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:06pm

Who needs a diet?

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_sep2003/SubwayDiet.jpg

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vig on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:10pm

on 03/24/05 at 16:59:45, Posting-committie wrote:

Laugh it up fatass, we are watching.

?
who's we?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:19pm

on 03/24/05 at 16:59:45, Posting-committie wrote:

Laugh it up fatass, we are watching.

Oh no! I didn't expect the Posting-committie!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/de_profundis/4CH/1dec7b85.jpg

NOBODY expects the Posting-committie! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms! Cardinal, read the charges.

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BikerBob on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:37pm

Don't blame me... I posted the Posting Committee letter to "easy" but didn't post using a fake username.

[smiley=confused2.gif]
Bob

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Opus on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:39pm

on 03/24/05 at 13:06:52, clarence wrote:

Besides, I think that I could probably log on under two different names by either using two different browsers or two different computers, so I could be on at the same time as myself. And if I were on two different computers, I might have 2 different ips.

Your internet conection will provide you with 1 IP address normally. If you log in with two computers connected to the same connection with a NAT, then both boxs will be seen as having the same IP. If you set one of the browsers to use a proxy, it would have a diffrent IP, but the real one could be found.
Too bad there is no way to browse with an untraceable or no IP ;)

Opus/Paul [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:40pm

on 03/24/05 at 17:39:28, Opus wrote:

Too bad there is no way to browse with an untraceable or no IP ;)

Uh, yeah... Whew.... ;)

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:45pm

on 03/24/05 at 17:40:53, Hirvimaki wrote:

Uh, yeah... Whew.... ;)

Hirvimaki-Isi

Yep, sure glad there aint any Anono sites out there.....LMAO ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Bethany1 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:47pm

Damn, I sure am confused.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Sylvan on Mar 24^th, 2005, 5:57pm

on 03/24/05 at 17:19:12, Hirvimaki wrote:

Anyone else plannng on going to see this:

http://www.newyorktheatreguide.com/images/flyers/spamalot05news.gif

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 6:22pm

on 03/23/05 at 11:17pm, gammitall wrote:diseases, disorders, chronic pains I am refering to are that which are not genetic iheritances, what I am referring to are: headaches, migranes, CH, Cancer, diabetes, ulcers, add, multiple sclerosis, lupus, asthma, depression, allergies, arthritis,etc,etc,etc

Tia,

Actually it's more than just the three you had highlighted in red. Here's the breakdown:

headaches - most likely genetic
migraines - definitely genetic
CH - some cases have shown a genetic link
cancer - many types are genetic!! (ie. breast cancer!)
diabetes - definitely genetic
ulcers - may not be...but i'm not sure there
ADD - definitely genetic
MS - can be genetic
Lupus - can be genetic
asthma - definitely genetic
depression - definitely genetic
allergies - definitely genetic
arthritis - rheumatoid is definitely genetic

So.......his whole list just got blown to shit there!

And as I said in my last post about that, even though food can TRIGGER exacerabations for SOME people....it isn't a cause. Food doesn't cause any of these diseases, including ulcers! Peptic Ulcer Disease is caused by H.Pylori bacteria...which disrupts the balance of stomach acid, etc... It's nothing to do with the fact that I had orange juice with my breakfast.

Even diseases actually related to food aren't caused by food. Lactose intolerance? That's biological, etc. If I drink milk, I'm not causing myself to be lactose intolerant.

Overall...his was one of the more moronic statements I've seen in quite some time!

At least I got to laugh at how extremely dumb it was!

Lizzie :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Tiannia on Mar 24^th, 2005, 7:40pm

on 03/24/05 at 18:22:48, Lizzie2 wrote:

Tia,

Actually it's more than just the three you had highlighted in red. Here's the breakdown:
At least I got to laugh at how extremely dumb it was!

Lizzie :)

Sorry Liz, did not mean to make it sound like those where the only ones. But those really hit home. Considering family history and my own medical conditions and issues it just really got to me that anyone would be stupid enough to say that shit. My husband's family has the allergies and such and I have asthma. Both my kids have both of these conditions since they where born. If it was all based off what you eat, then how come each and every child fed off Infameal (sp wrong) does not end up witht he same conditions?

Just really really pissed me off. Notice how quiet he has been... Maybe he does not like his shot thrown back in his face?

-Tia

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:05pm

It may be synical but I beleive that there are "cures" for items I have listed previously. People get sick for two reasons, You either "catch something" or "something develops in the body" This can only happen by your body being out of balance, your immune system is weak, or toxins are getting into your body. I believe toxins are the cause of CH, now it is possible that the toxins changed the genetic structure somewhere in your gene pool. But toxins are either ingested, inhaled, or absorbed. I beleive cures do exist but because of the FDA, drug industry, food industry, medical industry, etc etc it will never be brought to light........remember doctors do not cure they treat symptons ultimately the body cures itself. I will give an example of this not related to CH. Everyone should agree that it is fact over 100,000 deaths occur each year due to speeding in automobiles, We know that technology exist that you can govern the speed inwhich a car travels, so why has there been no legislation to make this happen, it would save 100000 lives a year. Its simple, the slower you go the less fuel you use, the less recks or deaths the lower the insurance, and if all automobiles were built to travel the same speed then performance cars would not exist, and if a cars speed was governed its wear and tear would be less thus a lower cause for repairs. So I wonder why the government does not regulate speed? Billions of dollars would be lost, companies would go broke, jobs would be lost, think of the avelanche effect it would have on the auto industry, if the government acted then millions of dollars offered by lobiest would no longer be available. NOW knowing all of that do you think it is possible there is a "cure" and just maybe they don't want you to know?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:09pm

Hi Opus. Hey, good news. I use programs that are free off of cnet.com which allow me to surf invisibly, in addition my ip is mingled with all the other subscribers in the server, so it would be like a shot in the dark to try and tag me with a cookie or anything for that matter. When I turn off my computer it erases every temp file and cookie from every site (except those I choose to keep), and I get to reclaim all the space that would have been occupied on my hard drive. This is the one of the main culprits which slows down peoples computers whether on dial-up, dsl or sat. Since I have no financial interest and don't know "Easy or Gammitall" I can tell you the name of the program. It's called "Secretmaker".
Best wishes & stealthy surfing. Joe

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:18pm

Oh my God! :-X :-X
Gammitall is a fucking expert at everything.... Go back to the shop and grab your grease gun, your brain needs a lube job >:( What a pile of crap. I guess I inherited being run over by a car that was doing 25mph but decided not to stop with me underneath it hanging by my jacket hood. You STUPID ASS!!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:25pm

Speaking nice and slow now and calmly too, just for you, Gammitall :-* . Do you think that the driver of the car was wasting gasoline in her little straight line six doing 25 mph in our little neighborhood coming back from the grocery store when she severely injured two kids, or is it an outright corporate and insurance conspiracy that caused her to not be going 15 mph with a 4 cylinder. [smiley=huh.gif] ::)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:29pm

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dd20b3127cce90d4caab3f6c00000016108Eas2LNu3bi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:41pm

I am sorry for your tragedy, however I never said anything relating to the terrible accident you described. What I said was 100,000 people die a year due to speeding, meaning traveling in excess of the posted speedlimit on interstates! If you read what I said "I beleive" there are cures....... If this thread existed when Christopher Colubus sailed the ocean blue his fucking ship would be going right over the edge of the earth right now, because to you people the fucking thing is flat as hell. Sorry to offend anyone......

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Posting-committie on Mar 24^th, 2005, 8:54pm

on 03/24/05 at 20:41:34, gammitall wrote:

The Posting Committie has deemed you a posting risk, please refrain from posting.

Thank you.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:00pm

Believe whatever you want Gammitall. I believe you need spelling lessons [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:00pm

on 03/24/05 at 20:29:24, vietvet2tours wrote:

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dd20b3127cce90d4caab3f6c00000016108Eas2LNu3bi

Joe, I can see where this picture might bring back difficult memories, and you might not think it is funny. I am sorry, and I don't mean to make fun of your tragedy. But I think it is pretty funny.

Continue the Hijack!

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:04pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/nani36/glasshouses.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/nani36/isaidsit.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:09pm

Gammitall you are a fucking loon.....

Quote:

NOW knowing all of that do you think it is possible there is a "cure" and just maybe they don't want you to know?

Conspiracy theories? PLUUEEEZZZ!!! Your cirucular reasoning behind your very flawd hypothosis does not prove it any more true. In fact it makes you look like a total boob. One thing you fail to realize.....Clusterheads, as a population, are brighter and more talented than the average bear.

Many of us are even well versed in circular reasoning vs emperical method of study.

"Believe" all you want to about your drivel. Even Fiengold's theory about diet based treatment for true ADD/H was blown out of the water after emperical study.

You are an insult to the truely intelligent.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:10pm

No problem Casey. That's actually my neighbor who was standing on the back of the trike when the car hit us. I was underneath checking for oil leaks. ;;D. This person just doesn't seem to get it. There are so many possibilities as to how our hypothalamus can be damaged etc... Who is he to say anything and be so positive. There's got to be a different web site where he can spew his BS, like maybe idiots.com if it exists. PFD's Joe

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Sean_C on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:11pm

on 03/24/05 at 21:04:05, nani wrote:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/nani36/glasshouses.jpg

ROTFLMMFAO [smiley=laugh.gif]

Thanks Nan ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:15pm

Nani. You are a crack-up [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] ROTFLLMAO
Love, Joe

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by broomhilda on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:16pm

Hummmmm am I in the right thread? ;;D

http://www.funphoto.nl/database/stored/330.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:17pm

If the cures are all out there and it's some big government conspiracy, then why do we still have doctors who die from disease? Or for that matter, why do we still have politicians and their families who get horrible diseases (cancer included) and still die. If the cures are out there and the government knows about them, then why aren't they curing their own? Who exactly is the big secret-keeper about these diseases? Because if congress knew the cures existed, I don't think they'd let their families or themselves die from horrible diseases. And putting death aside...simply suffering from long term chronic illnesses. So I'd like to know who exactly is keeping these "cures" so well hidden that not even the government themselves can use it to their benefit! I mean really...the pope is dying from Parkinson's...he's a pretty important figure. President Clinton just had his bypass surgery recently and then actually had complications after that. If the cure for coronary artery disease is out there, then why would they let a former president suffer?

That's just plain idiotic.

But now that you've peaked my curiosity...do you suffer from paranoid schizophrenia? That's seriously the only time I've ever heard people make such statements, truly believe them, and argue with people that they are fact and everyone else is too stupid to realize it.

Best of luck to you there!

Lizzie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by TonyG1 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:21pm

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] I have laughed so hard tonite at some of the posts on this thread that I'm literally crying...

First, thank you all for not beating the crap outta me when I was newer to the board !!!! :o

Tough crowd but funny as hell !!! I think the dark humor and intolerance to bullsh*t is part of the standard clusterhead survival kit ..

Happy Easter everyone, hope you all find it PF !!

T.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:28pm

on 03/24/05 at 21:22:45, pattik wrote:

Come on guys....I think the only conspiracy here is between
Gamittall and easy to see how many responses each can get out of us with each post. If you look at the length of this thread, they're having fun. Time for a hijack.

Hijack?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/nani36/innocence.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:28pm

on 03/24/05 at 21:22:45, pattik wrote:

I'm getting the distinct impression that in Gammitall's case we have a Dr. that needs to heal thyself....

gitit? [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:32pm

on 03/24/05 at 21:28:55, Redd715 wrote:

I'm getting the distinct impression that in Gammitall's case we have a Dr. that needs to heal thyself....

gitit? [smiley=laugh.gif]

You betcha! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Drk^Angel on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:42pm

Claiming that 100,000 people die per year because of speeding is like saying 30,000 people die per year because of swimming. Maybe 100,000 people per year die in a traffic accident where one or more of the vehicles were exceeding the speed limit, but that does not mean that speeding was the cause of death, the accident was, and many times, there are other factors involved in the accident as well (ie. inexperience of driver, adverse weather conditions, improper use of safety equipment, alcohol, etc...) If speeding is a cause of death, why are there more non-speeding fatalities? Why is there less interstate deaths that non-interstate deaths, when the speeds on interstates are on average higher? In fact... Fatalities on non-interstates with speed limits below 55 mph is higher than above 55 mph. How exactly does your idea of restricting the maximum speed of vehicles cure traffic deaths? Or were you trying to prove yourself incompetent from the start?

PFDAN............................. Drk^Angel

P.S. According to the NCSA, there were only 13,713 fatalities in accidents involving a speeding vehicle, and in 2003 there were only 42,643 total traffic fatalities, so where in the hell do you get that 100,000 people die annually in speeding related accidents? Could it be that your "facts" are inaccurate? Or possibly you just made everything up in the first place.

DA

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:51pm

Hey Nani, you better fatten up that little one if we're all having lamb chops at yer place for dinner. ;)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:51pm

Little known factoid.... [smiley=laugh.gif]

In general conversations, 87% of all quoted statistics are falsified.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:58pm

Thanks for the factoid Redd ;;D
Now I know why people keep referring to me as Mr. 13% [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 24^th, 2005, 9:59pm

"For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
Lillies that fester smell far worse than weeds."

I am truly over this, how you can read one thing and say something completely dif. is amazing to me. I never said there were cures I said it was possible.....
DOCTORS DO NOT CURE! they treat the symptons
Please take the time to uderstand how the FDA works,the FDA is dependent on large drug companies for its funding to the tune of 1.2 billion dollars.....
I wish everyone the best in tolerating the beast, I choose to fight....

Change is only possible if you beleive in change.
DonnaD. Thanks for beleiving ;)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:09pm

Hey Clarence

You were right, Brits do use the word "twit" but dearest gammitall, when I was referring to you, the word I was using was

TWA*T!!

W the B

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:12pm

And now Gammitall is the gardening expert. There goes the neighborhood! :o. It's pretty obvious that the only thing you wish is for everybody to be converted to your way of thinking. Please let us talk about lamb chops and supergirl and stuff like that without thinking you are going to get the last word in this, as I will hunt you down and throw smilies at you [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] ;;D ;;D. You still need spelling lessons by the way.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:12pm

[quote author=gammitall link=board=general;num=1111462212;start=225#241 date=03/24/05 at 21:59:53
DOCTORS DO NOT CURE! they treat the symptons

[/quote]

Actually that's not really true either. There are many medical diseases out there which can be officially cured by some type of medical intervention...be it a drug, surgery, what have you.

For instance...I had a tumor removed when I was 16. The tumor would have killed me. Well...8 years later I'm still alive. The doctor didn't treat the symptoms of the tumor, he took the tumor out...he removed the diseased cells and that is end of story.

There are some diseases where, because we don't know the cause, we can't cure...some diseases only have symptomatic treatment. However, many do have curative treatments that look at the cause because we know more about them.

So....I still think you are over the top paranoid...but...whatever. To each his own. ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:14pm

Quote:

I never said there were cures I said it was possible.....

You said you believe there ARE cures and the the government may be hiding them from us.

You are not talking to a bunch of IQ=75 dolts here azzhole....I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Your attempts are crystal clear and when confronted you cower behind semantics...typical troll.... and yes I have better than average command of the English language.

You better zip up Gammy your ignorance is showing.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:21pm

Not a gardner, or a spelling bee champ, that was Shakespeare.....

You guys are the best, to fight for what you beleive is what makes the world go round, see I respect your responses, Jokrs2 you rock dude.... 8) 8) 8)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:23pm

I'm getting excited about your graduation Lizzie2. Are we going to have an on-line party? You are very wise and a calm port in a stormy sea. God bless, Joe

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pubgirl on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:26pm

No Gammy

It wasn't Shakespeare, it was misquoted Shakespeare.

Can you get anything right at all?

W the B

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:28pm

Hang in there Gammitall 8) I have learned much from everyone in here but the process will always continue. That's what makes this family so special. Blessings, Joe :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:32pm

Quote:

You still need spelling lessons by the way.

Guilty as charged....suffer from discalcula...which for me effects spelling and reading music to play instruments (funny I can read it to sing though).

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 24^th, 2005, 10:42pm

Here's a nice lill cure that's not really a cure but it does cure stuff......well not really a cure.......well you know what I mean.......makes it go away Pam

http://www.doublechaser.com/

PS: I got hurt in a real bad car wreck in highschool goin about 5 mph......sum ass-hole t-bone'd us. I am payin for that one now.........wrong place at the wrong time syndrone.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Opus on Mar 24^th, 2005, 11:09pm

on 03/24/05 at 20:09:18, jokrs2 wrote:

I go far beyond those measures when I want to be hidden, and cookies are blocked totally, and rebooting you computer to just erase cookies and temps, hmmm what a concept, LOL.

By the way you missed my wink ;) meaning I already knew how. If you want to be really safe let me know I will set you up ( it doesn't work with Microsoft windows)

Opus/Paul [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 11:30pm

Sorry Opus , missed the wink.
Learned compukers back in 1974 on an IBM 360 punch card using fortran and cobal and it seemed like everytime I was running a batch someone would open the door and the temp or humidity would change just enough to you know what... ;) Put Secretmaker up there for those who are using Microsoft Windows. I am sure you are well protected...me too. Regards, Joe

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 24^th, 2005, 11:37pm

Redd, I am also guilty. I have dislexidracula. It's where I reveres the letetrs and thne I bite my tongue ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by mikey-de on Mar 24^th, 2005, 11:40pm

There's a program called 'smac', (I don't think it is legal), but it allows you to manually change you mac address...and as far as I know it will give you a different IP address everytime you change it, although this wouldn't really do much to hide the fact that it is the same person though, or at least the same area...coz I think the first two octet's generally remain the same, sometimes even the first 3 leaving only the last octet as the changed portion of the IP address. MY ISP provides me with 2 IP's for my monthly $50 fee so yes it is possible to have two computers running with 2 'different' IP's at the same time and have both logged on at the same time. However, the IP's come from the same DNS server, so the first 2 octets will almost always be the same. Upstairs computer is 70.66.208.99(not really, but close ;) ) the downstairs computer is 70.66.209.107. The only other way I can think of would be to have two separate ISP's, but then there are ways of determining that (location)as well using basic programs like Tracert.exe, Sam Spade...blah blah blah.
Just saying it's possible, although unlikely-nothing more.
My [smiley=twocents.gif] on the [smiley=crash.gif] subject....lol [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by eyes_afire on Mar 24^th, 2005, 11:55pm

on 03/24/05 at 20:05:00, gammitall wrote:

I believe toxins are the cause of CH, now it is possible that the toxins changed the genetic structure somewhere in your gene pool. But toxins are either ingested, inhaled, or absorbed.

Facts:
Biological toxicity manifests itself with systemic, chronic symptoms. CH is so specific (affecting a specific nerve at specific time intervals during the day) that there is no possibility that CH is caused by 'toxins'. The central nervous system does not work that way. Moreover, it is impossible for these 'toxins' to change 'genetic structure' over the course of months or even years. Logically, removing these toxins will not suddenly heal 'genetic damage'.

Quote:

People get sick for two reasons, You either "catch something" or "something develops in the body"

Bottom line (Biology 101): It's not that simple.

--- Steve

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 25^th, 2005, 12:06am

You people are the worst hijackers I've ever seen.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/nani36/lostpuppy.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by eyes_afire on Mar 25^th, 2005, 12:15am

Sorry Nani, I just had to refute the 'False Biology'. :)

Perhaps this will provide an amusing diversion?:

http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/fsckhead.html

--- Steve

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 25^th, 2005, 12:18am

ROTFL Steve...I think I've seen a few of them around here now and then. [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 25^th, 2005, 12:24am

on 03/24/05 at 22:32:34, Redd715 wrote:

Guilty as charged....suffer from discalcula...which for me effects spelling and reading music to play instruments (funny I can read it to sing though).

I got a cure for that...

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 25^th, 2005, 1:06am

Hijacking: And guess what its a free download in the top 100. ;;D When I find something that could help I just spew it out there, so here it is.
SECRETMAKER
Privacy Protector
Exchanges traceable information
The Privacy Protector is masking yours and your computers specific information every time they are requested.

Privacy Protector uses unique and state-of-the-art solution only available from All-in-One SECRETMAKER.

Many tried to overcome our technique – nobody could!

When using secretmaker’s Privacy Protector none of your vital and sensitive information is released in the original state.

All-in-One SECRETMAKER’s Privacy Protector protects you from being profiled by suppressing the common denominator and is sending phantomized dummy data’s instead.

This makes it impossible to merge the collected data to a specific profile.
Furthermore the Privacy Protector gives a gazer the impression that there is a network with many computers behind it.

In fact for the profile company’s, hackers and anybody else, it looks as every view second as a new user with a different computer who starts to surf and that’s why they collect only rubbish.

With this technology there is no need to hide your IP address through Proxy Servers or Anonymous Services.

Don't know if this is compatible or necessary for Linux, but I think all Windows users would greatly benefit. It also has Windows washers which erase all temp files when you log off of the internet and it is not necessary to reboot. Many other freebies to help in this exceptional FREE download. www.secretmaker.com
I test stuff like this but don't take my word for it. Read the review at cnet or download.com. Happy surfing, Joe :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Charlie on Mar 25^th, 2005, 1:34am

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/blind.gif

Charlie, who drinks tap water, loves modified corn and inorganic veggies because since 1991, he hasn't had a cluster attack. Makes ya think don't it?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by mikey-de on Mar 25^th, 2005, 2:12am

Quote:

People get sick for two reasons, You either "catch something" or "something develops in the body" This can only happen by your body being out of balance...

So that's what the problem isss...guess I better switch hands eh?
http://us.f1f.yahoofs.com/bc/238c5049_M40a16b0f/bc/shared+photos/danger.jpg?CC_EGUCBnkaO47CZ

Thanks for sharing and insight... [smiley=crackup.gif]
Bwwaahhhhhhahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by AussieBrian on Mar 26^th, 2005, 12:09am

Sex.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 26^th, 2005, 11:53am

A famous man once said

"There are 3 kinds of lies;
Lies
Big Lies
And statistics"

Who said it? Winner gets a free trip to Orlando. While your there can you pick me up a salad shooter?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/bgull2/ron.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 26^th, 2005, 11:57am

on 03/24/05 at 22:23:43, jokrs2 wrote:

I'm getting excited about your graduation Lizzie2. Are we going to have an on-line party? You are very wise and a calm port in a stormy sea. God bless, Joe

Joe,

I had to smile when I read this! Of course we can have an online party!! I know I'll be having a gigantic party that involves not caring about school for a very long time! hehe

I think most of my close family would not label me as "calm port" but rather "off the wall spaz"! I like that I've come across as a calm port to at least someone!

I just can't resist poking holes when people like Gammitall start writing blatent lies or show signs of extreme paranoia! Ya know...part of me thinks my next degree should be in law. ;-)

Hugz,
Lizzie :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 26^th, 2005, 2:55pm

on 03/26/05 at 11:57:00, Lizzie2 wrote:

Ya know...part of me thinks my next degree should be in law.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I like you too much to let that happen.

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 26^th, 2005, 2:59pm

Right on Lizzie. Hey here's an idea... You could put up a post and tell everyone that you are the answer to all of their legal problems and that there is NO case that you CANNOT win ;;D... However you would probably hear from Perry Mason kicking and screaming, "foul"!!! I like your attitude, sis. Blessings, Joe

If perhaps I were to get busted for the illegal possession of psilocybin would you represent me? [smiley=laugh.gif]
Note to the police. I don't have any right now. 8)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 26^th, 2005, 7:17pm

on 03/26/05 at 11:53:48, don wrote:

Tough one... but you KNEW that!

It is often attributed to Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister. In his autobiography, Mark Twain makes that attribution, but no version of this quotation is to be found in any of Disraeli's published works or letters. The earliest reference (I know of) is to a speech made by Leonard H. Courtney in New York in 1895 - 'After all, facts are facts, and although we may quote one to another with a chuckle the words of the Wise Statesman, "Lies - damn lies - and statistics," still there are some easy figures the simplest must understand, and the astutest cannot wriggle out of.' Maybe Twain thought that in the 'Wise Statesman' Courtney was referring to Disraeli.

Do I win??

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by mikey-de on Mar 26^th, 2005, 7:49pm

nice1 Hirv :)

Learn sumpin new everyday.

I was gonna say Bob Popeil...lmao [smiley=crackup.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by yikes-another-one on Mar 26^th, 2005, 8:12pm

So gamma says we catch our illnesses?
What of sin causing leprocy?
What of curses causing the boils/and strikenings?
So much for the Vodoo course I was studying.....

Oh, now I see,

It is civilization that makes us all sick.

(no surprise)

Did we all miss his great argument
about Christopher Columbus?

"He'd fall off the Edge of the Earth because
of our collective unbelief!"

Um, just because you believe in something...
or even if you do not...
it doesn't change the truth.....duh.

Otherwise Santa would exist, and he'd have
given every American at least a Million dollars
on midnight Dec 24th!!@!!!

My professor said, "okay, you don't believe
in invisible things.... Gravity is invisible. Go ahead
and not believe in it. But every day that you live,
you will fight with a force that does not exist....
and thank god it works....otherwise you would
not be on earth for long....." "The wind is invisible,
no one has ever seen wind, only it's effect on objects.
So it's okay not to believe that wind exists, but
you had better pack up your house if a hurricane
is headed your way!"

WE don't hate ya,
we just love the game.

;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by don on Mar 26^th, 2005, 10:23pm

Quote:

Mark Twain makes that attribution

Hirvimaki, Enjoy Orlando and please send my salad shooter UPS.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 26^th, 2005, 10:31pm

http://www.ascendancy.net/tribalwar/DieThreadDie.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Ueli on Mar 26^th, 2005, 10:47pm

After this thread there is only one more link (http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm) to visit....

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 27^th, 2005, 2:11am

Yeah baby....the end is near.....people are strange when yer a stranger........I see the death of a thread Pam

Happy endings !!!!!!!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 28^th, 2005, 12:22am

Glad its dead and glad Im pf! Find someone next to abuse that found a friend that "cured" them from this painful life! As always it is either half empty or half full and for you it will always be half empty! Too bad! God bless and Good luck.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 28^th, 2005, 12:57am

Am throwing my half empty glass at you.........OUCH that hurts Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:25am

on 03/28/05 at 00:22:16, easy wrote:

Glad its dead and glad Im pf! found a friend that "cured" them from this painful life! As always it is either half empty or half full and for you it will always be half empty! Too bad! God bless and Good luck.

Well ease, Easter has come and gone and you weren't glazed, spiral-sliced and washed down with a half a glass of water.

and so you thought agent Starling, that if you took one lamb and ran as far as you could you would silence the screaming of the lambs...

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Redd715 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:45am

I'm not going to slam Easy for being PF, but maintaining that he is "cured" still sits wrong in my gut.

http://www.garbett.org/images/threadwouldntdie.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:51am

There as cured as a cycle is long. Outa cycle is a PF world Pam

This thread won't die but it may die out.......if I would jus STFU ! ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by echo on Mar 28^th, 2005, 12:32pm

I've read through 12 pages and I still can't find Waldo.

Shit!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 28^th, 2005, 12:40pm

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/northcolor/nosf22copy.jpg

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by clarence on Mar 28^th, 2005, 12:49pm

With Easter comes Resurrection.

Casey

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 28^th, 2005, 2:22pm

That's it my friend nooooooooo resurrection. Fuck Pedro and the horse he rode in on.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 28^th, 2005, 3:21pm

There once was a thread that wouldn’t die
Yet no one could really remember why
A hijacking was the ticket
Then easy said “stick-it”
Which started yet another outcry

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 28^th, 2005, 3:24pm

easy go gammital come......what's next. Mr Rogers neighborhood welcomes you Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by pattik on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:09pm

on 03/28/05 at 15:21:20, seasonalboomer wrote:

There once was a thread that wouldn’t die
Yet no one could really remember why
A hijacking was the ticket
Then easy said “stick-it”
Which started yet another outcry

[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif]Boomer, you're really cracking me up!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BobG on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:14pm

Wow! 12 pages.

That's all.

Want to talk about something else? Weather? Politics? Wimmin? I have a new grandson, want to talk about him?

I'm going to Vegas now.
Bobwaitingforpage13G

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by nani on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:16pm

on 03/28/05 at 19:14:20, BobG wrote:

Wow! 12 pages.

That's all.

Want to talk about something else? Weather? Politics? Wimmin? I have a new grandson, want to talk about him?
I'm going to Vegas now.
Bobwaitingforpage13G

Why yes I do, Bob! I've been waiting... Tell everyone how much he weighed! :o And how tall he is! :o

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by ghost62 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:19pm

now how long can we keep this thing going? ill be back being hit now .... k5 but an intense one

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by ghost62 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:23pm

by the way what is the record for the longest thread?

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Post by Cathi04 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:25pm

why yes, Bob....what's his weight??
What's his length??
What sex is he???
What's his name???
What color are his eyes??
Where will he go to college????????
Is he a good baby???????
When we he born??????

(anything's better than more of this thread)
Congratulations, Grampa......
Cathi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by ghost62 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:27pm

is there a way to name this the it goes everywhere thread? [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=oops.gif] [smiley=hammer.gif]

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by gammitall on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:33pm

Easy you putz, it is a half glass of whatever it is neither half full nor half empty.

"Misery loves company"

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by jokrs2 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 7:49pm

Easy can tell us all about the term, "half".
He knows what it's like to go off half-cocked, and probably only has half of a peni$.
He has half a brain........ or less.
Has made himself appear pathetic to at least half the people who have clusterheadaches.
Is always making half-assed statements.
Brings the average IQ of everybody in the world to half.
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, and that's not even half of the etc's, "EASY" The Half Pint! ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by fubar on Mar 28^th, 2005, 8:04pm

Mr Damnitall,

You have a very interesting view on life. You say “misery loves company” as if it is somehow relevant or even poignant as an insult in this case. The fact is a lot of us were miserable people searching for others who have been suffering in the same way because (as you should know) this malady is like no other. Not only do we understand each other’s pain, we have collectively tried tens (if not hundreds) of ‘solutions’ to the problem, including exactly what easy is talking about (structured diet change and reliance on preventative drugs). We share information freely; we poll the whole board on questions that might reveal undiscovered patterns or causes for the pain as well as for treatments. So, in this case, misery DOES love company because it can help us overcome our misery.

Now… you… you sit there believing cockamamie stories involving mass deception and massively orchestrated fantastical schemes. You, sir, create your own misery. You live in a world infused with conspiracy, greed and hatred, yet it is a merely a construct of your own paranoid mind. Is it really rational to believe that somehow in this age of such extreme loss of privacy, that hundreds of thousands of people who do medical research and practice medicine could all keep such a huge secret? What about the ones who go into this field with good intentions? Do you think they go through some kind of boot camp to convince them to go along with the plan just so the fraud can continue? Even as their own family members die? As they them self die of the same diseases? Holy bat shit, that’s nuts!

Dude, seek help.

-Fu

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Post by Redd715 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 8:10pm

Quote:

Dude, seek help.

I'll second that motion!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Mark C on Mar 28^th, 2005, 8:11pm

;;D

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Post by Frank_W on Mar 28^th, 2005, 8:43pm

Rock on, Mr. Fubar, Sir!! [smiley=headbanger.gif]

BobG: congrats, Gramps!! That's awesome news! I hope mama and baby are recovering well from their respective ordeals. :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by TonyG1 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 8:52pm

on 03/28/05 at 20:43:50, Frank_W wrote:

Rock on, Mr. Fubar, Sir!! [smiley=headbanger.gif]

Ditto on what Frank said !!!

T.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 28^th, 2005, 9:52pm

I think he's tryin ta say were a miserable lot makeing everyone else more miserable and this place only attracks miserable types. And we all get miserable together Pam 8)

Opps......I made do-do 13 pages.....opps I did it again !

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:21pm

Has anyone even tried calling Dr. Cocores to try and get help? That is what I wish for all CH sufferers. I would like to personally talk to anyone that at least tries. That was, and is still now my intent to help it go away forever! I think he will do a phone session if you are not in FL.,get your personal facts,and help you the same as me. If it does work then this thread may never stop....
If it does not then what did you really lose??? a few bucks? And if you are waiting around for it to go away for free it may never happen..
I have no financial gain in this as have been accused by someone. Please someone,just one try so "we" can maybe help rather than "me"help. And please never forget I did say MAYBE CURE??? only that it DID me and HOPEFULLY YOU TOO!

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:31pm

on 03/28/05 at 20:04:09, fubar wrote:

Is it really rational to believe that somehow in this age of such extreme loss of privacy, that hundreds of thousands of people who do medical research and practice medicine could all keep such a huge secret? What about the ones who go into this field with good intentions? Do you think they go through some kind of boot camp to convince them to go along with the plan just so the fraud can continue? Even as their own family members die? As they them self die of the same diseases? Holy bat shit, that’s nuts!

Dude, seek help.

-Fu

Why Shawn...

Didn't you know that was the case? I know I went into nursing with the IDEA of helping others because of what I'd been through...but....dude, things change ;) Now, they've told me the cure, showed me all the secrets, but I'm just not allowed to tell anyone else. Instead, I have to "pretend" to still be sick so that you won't catch on that the entire medical community really DOES have all the cures and we are hiding it from everyone else....all just to get an extra penny added onto my salary at the end of the year. [smiley=laugh.gif]

Loved your post! Thanks...hopefully the dude really will seek help and learn to overcome the paranoia!!!

Hugz,
Carrie :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BlueMeanie on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:33pm

Easy,

You're so absolutely positive that this doctor of yours can stop CH's and you're so sure that he stopped yours by using his headache diet. If that's a fact than why don't you just post here what to eat, and what NOT to eat. People who wish, can try you and your doctors method. If the results are good than i'm sure others would be interested in trying it.

Just a thought.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:40pm

Have you ever been to one of the conventions sleezey easy ? Considering that they have some of the BEST ch doctors there for seminars I would "think" they would KNOW about some of this to at least mention it as an option for everyone....they try to cover all fields and aspects and take questions. Maybe you should go to Dalas and talk with docs there for the seminiar (I don't know the plan for this year) and bring it up ??? Tell the doc's there what you know. Seems to me if it was that 'easy' as you say these docs would know SUMTHIN or have some clues for discussion. Kinda like a brain surgeon that is not UP on the surgery. Don't touch me there Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:40pm

on 03/26/05 at 14:55:48, Hirvimaki wrote:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I like you too much to let that happen.

Hirvimaki-Isi

Awww LOL Ok I'll put the law degree idea down. <backing away from psychotic tendencies to take on even more insane educational endeavours>

Besides....I have to get my MSN/NNP to be a neonatal nurse practitioner...I'll be doing that one class at a time starting September...and I dont' care when it ends because I will never be a full time student again as of 6 weeks from now! ;)

Hugz,
Lizzie :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by PrettyH8Machine on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:47pm

I am so proud of myself. This thread has reached 13 pages and I haven't made one smart-ass comment.

Not one.

;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:49pm

Everyone is probably different and I am not the drs,cure. But some of my foods to quit and drink were salad dressing other than oil and vineagar,no bread without dipping in olive oil,no soups,no salts, and no DIET soda. Also no red wine. 40% is caused by allergies mostly from foods,but maybe molds,etc in the air, Most diffenently msg in food. And then there a 5 possible medications that will work-the first did for me neurotin. If it did not in a few days there were 4 other possibilities. If it was the 5th for me instead of the 1st I would still be this happy and excited that he stopped them. Would'nt you I am sure you would.?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:54pm

Am interested to know how far into your cycle you got semi cured....how long does your cycle last.....how long inbetween or did I miss something and you were chronic ? I have researched this crap till I am green in the ankles for Brad and to help him explain this all or understand it. And I have no idea what I am doin here.....makein more doo-doo Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 28^th, 2005, 11:57pm

I cant go to Dallas, I am not a Dr., And I am not Gammitall. I am just trying to help at least one of you and then you can take it to everyone!However you want, this way, convention way, or the pres.way. Please remember that I also tried many dr.s over 15 years and was told to go to this dr because he would cure me and in my mind he did. I would never know if i did not try and neither will you.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by fubar on Mar 29^th, 2005, 12:01am

Easy,

I have no doubt that your heart is in the right place, and it's unfortunate that some people have such knee-jerk reactions to the word 'cure'. I understand and believe your doctor helped you become pain free. Thank you for posting your exact experience (finally). From my point of view, your doctor did nothing different than most doctors try with new CH patients. Mine first neurologist had me change my diet in different ways for almost 3 years. He also tried Neurontin, Topomax, Lithium, Prednisone, Imitrex, Zomig, Oxygen, Indicin, Indomethicin and God knows how many other meds. In addition to that we have tried exercise, acupuncture, mushrooms, meditation, sleeping pills, narcotics and too many other things to mention.

Dude, you got LUCKY. I am thrilled that you have relief after one try with this doctor. However, it does not make your doctor a magician with CH. But I do appreciate your enthusiasm and attempt at helping everybody here. It's just that it really isn't anything that new.

-Fu

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 29^th, 2005, 12:02am

on 03/28/05 at 23:57:21, easy wrote:

What answer do you have for those of us who HAVE tried diet changes out the wazoo...to the point of hardly being able to eat anything at all when I was taking an MAOI for chronic migraine. And I've also tried neurontin twice, plus the list of prevents and other meds I've tried is very very rediculously long.

I guess I don't see how this is any different than the diet changes I've already tried and the meds I've already been through.

It's taken a lot and been a long fight...and yeah I've tried just about everything suggested to me to try to end this horror...but I've already done many different diet changes as well as messing around with preventative meds, and I'm no better.

Maybe, just maybe, we're all different...and what works for you (as glad as I am that you have found something that helps) may not work for everyone... 'Naw mean?

Lizzie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 29^th, 2005, 12:11am

I am new to this board but i did suffer for 15 years and tried many things as you have. I never quit but i did start to think there is no cure. I gave Donna d. some personal facts that this Doctor was the only one who ever said he would Cure me.,before I ever met him. His name came to me from some very influential people and he is the smartest person and dr. that I have ever met and it worked. I am not the smartest and can not help your diet etc.,because we are different.with different triggers But do not forget it DID work! Good-night.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by easy on Mar 29^th, 2005, 12:24am

Should we raise the $ for one of you to try?Then that may end this thread or keep it going.By the way I also previously had Mri,Cat scan ,alergy test and shots,had mold remediated from my house,changed diets and taken pills...but never was told by anyone to go see someone and he would cure me,until now.Can I be anymore clear?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by rextangle on Mar 29^th, 2005, 12:31am

Ok, take it EASY! ;;D (sorry, I just crack myself up sometimes)

So, if you pay for my first visit and it works, I give you the money back and go public on the board saying "I've been cured"... if not, you lose all the $$$ and I keep suffering.
Deal?

LET'S MAKE A DEAL... it's EASY ;)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Charlie on Mar 29^th, 2005, 4:39am

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/offtopic.gif

Charlie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vig on Mar 29^th, 2005, 7:04am

Hi Easy,
How do we know your episode didn't just end?

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 29^th, 2005, 9:54am

(Just so you all know, I can contribute something other than a limerick to this dialogue)

Easy,

I’m going to very honest with you.

As you can see, many are happy for you that your doctor was able to end your recent CH episode. As a sufferer for nearly 15 years, the one thing I’ve learned (as an episodic) is that all episodes come to an end. I’ve imagined all kinds of reasons why they’ve ended, as I changed diet and cut so many different things over the years that were supposed to be triggers. In the end, the cycle was probably about over and cutting out diet sodas, drinking alcohol and MSG and a few others helped me from triggering a few extra headaches at the end of the cycle.

Even recently in testing Kudzu, I’ve couched my enthusiasm with the idea that my cycle might have been short or a weird one. But that it seemed to change something, and change it for the better.

Please understand that many on these boards have done exactly what your doctor has recommended. Some with partial success, all with some learning to their present opinion on what treatments work for them. The operative word here is “treatment”.

Your doctor is being very irresponsible if he is telling you that you are “cured”. The idea of a cure sounds very exciting, but for an affliction such as CH, setting one’s expectations so high that you won’t see another cycle can lead to great despair if your cycle arrives again. For most of us, we choose to make use of what we know can help us in cycle, try things that can get us out of a cycle, and then thank our lucky stars that it is over. But NEVER forget that the beast remains a part of our malfunctioning hypothalamus.

Easy, the posters on this board appreciate that you are excited about your experience. Please respect the serious postings that have leveled with you and said that while your doctor is not completely wrong, what he is selling is not a “cure”. If there was one answer there would be no need for this website.

My suggestion would be to back away from selling the idea that your doctor has sold you a cure. His credibility is in question because of his credentials and his business interests. Maybe you should take some of advice being given to you here, and look at your doctor’s advice very critically. If he were truly a leading expert in this field he would be known to the doctor list on this site. Doctor’s luck out sometimes – maybe this one did with the timing of your cycle?

Scott

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Post by BobG on Mar 29^th, 2005, 10:42am

on 03/28/05 at 19:25:19, Cathi04 wrote:

why yes, Bob....what's his weight?? 11 lbs 12 oz at birth. Since then he has lost 3 oz.
What's his length?? 20 inches, short but very thick
What sex is he??? We don't know yet. We have to wait until after the circumcision tomorrow
What's his name??? Bryce Gene Thorn
What color are his eyes?? Blue
Where will he go to college???????? He hasn't decided yet
Is he a good baby??????? Yes. Only cries when he's hungry, about every 4 hours
When we he born?????? 7 days ago

(anything's better than more of this thread)
Congratulations, Grampa......He is our third grandson and sixth grandchild
Cathi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 29^th, 2005, 10:47am

on 03/29/05 at 10:42:51, BobG wrote:

What sex is he??? We don't know yet. We have to wait until after the circumcision tomorrow.

[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif]

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 29^th, 2005, 10:56am

Bob,

When did the blue eyes pop up? I have yet to see a baby born with blue eyes...not that I'm an expert, but so far every baby I've seen is born with dark eyes, and if they are going to be blue...they turn that way, but I don't know when! I have even asked nurses about it, and they said that they aren't blue at birth. So I looked back at my own newborn picture...my eyes are bright blue...but in the picture, they are coffee brown. Weird!

Also....11pounds 12oz??? Holy huge baby, batman! Was this born thru vaginal delivery or C-section?

I think I'd be screaming for them to cut it out of me! LOL

Congrats!!! Very exciting!!!! :)

Gonna post a pic for us one of these days?

Lizzie :)

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Post by Tiannia on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:43am

on 03/29/05 at 07:04:53, vig wrote:

Hi Easy,
How do we know your episode didn't just end?

Thanks Vig. I've asked that 4 times and have not gotten an answer. ::)

-Tia

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Tiannia on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:45am

on 03/29/05 at 10:56:28, Lizzie2 wrote:

My sons eyes have been crystal blue since birth and have not changed.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Hirvimaki on Mar 29^th, 2005, 12:02pm

on 03/29/05 at 10:56:28, Lizzie2 wrote:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/de_profundis/KTC/DSC00009.jpg
She's just under a month old in that pic. That's the colour they were when she was born...

This from About.com (and I am not claiming this is correct, I just know that I had always heard baby's are born with blue or grey eyes...which is why we thought her eyes might change as she got older):

You inherit your eye color from your parents, but no matter what the color is now, it was probably blue when you were born. Why? Melanin, the brown pigment molecule that colors your skin, hair, and eyes, hasn't been deposited in the irises of your eyes. The iris is the colored part of the eye that controls the amount of light that is allowed to enter. Some other animals are born with blue eyes, too, such as kittens.

Melanin is a protein. Like other proteins, the amount and type you get is coded in your genes. Irises containing a large amount of melanin appear black or brown. Less melanin produces green, gray, or light brown eyes. If your eyes contain very small amounts of melanin, they will appear blue or light gray. People with albinism have no melanin in their irises and their eyes may appear pink because the blood vessels in the back of their eyes reflect light.

Melanin production generally increases during the first year of a baby's life, leading to a deepening of eye color. The color is often stable by about 6 months of age. However, several factors can affect eye color, including use of certain medications and environmental factors. Some people experience changes in eye color over the course of their lives. People can have eyes of two colors. Even the genetics of eye color inheritance isn't as cut-and-dried as was once thought, as blue-eyed parents have been known (rarely) to have a brown-eyed child!

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 29^th, 2005, 12:47pm

Interesting....but now I wish it was legal for me to take pictures of the babies I work with so I could show you guys that I've never once seen a blue-eyed baby in the first 3 days of life! Anyhow...here's my own evidence from my own birth...not sure how well these photos will show up, but I know my eyes now are crystalline blue...a colour that I got from my dad. :)

My eyes at birth...
http://tinyurl.com/5snm9

Not overly clear, but my eyes in an up close photo taken in 2001...
http://tinyurl.com/5jjpj

But if you can't see my eye colour in that picture...ask Frank what my eyes looked like in Nashville...he can verify the crystal blue thing! :)

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by BobG on Mar 29^th, 2005, 1:56pm

on 03/29/05 at 10:56:28, Lizzie2 wrote:

Bob,

When did the blue eyes pop up? Actually, his eyes look dark when in the house or in the shade. But out in the sun, if you look at him from the side you can see the blue shining through. His father and both brothers have blue eyes. I have blue eyes and wish I could take credit but my daughter is really my step-daughter. I've had her since she was 2 years old. Step is not a word we use in our house.

Also....11pounds 12oz??? Holy huge baby, batman! Was this born thru vaginal delivery or C-section?It was a C-section. His 2 brothers were also by c-section. The first was 9 lbs 9 oz, and the second was 10 lbs 2 oz.

Lizzie :)

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Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 29^th, 2005, 2:09pm

Thanks for the details Bob! Sounds wonderful!!! :)

Sometimes when I see the babies in a certain light, I can see that their eyes will be turning blue, but they just aren't there yet. Now also keep in mind that the majority of our population is African American - they don't have blue eyes! But I have been curious about this with the caucasian babies I've been caring for!

My grandfather (passed away 1996) technically was my step-grandfather, but he was married to my grandma before I was even born. "Step" did not apply. I can't claim his genetics, but he was my grandfather...there's no question about it...ever. :)

Lizzie

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Frank_W on Mar 29^th, 2005, 2:21pm

God!! Those are some HUGE babies!! Did they come out and ask for a cigar, a cup of coffee, and a razor? LOL

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by sweetiepie on Mar 29^th, 2005, 3:06pm

Bob,
Your daughter is skewing birth weight statistics all by herself!

Good luck to the "little" family.

I weighed 10-1/2# and almost killed my mother--this was before C-sections were de rigeur.

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 29^th, 2005, 3:29pm

"lt was a C-section. His 2 brothers were also by c-section. The first was 9 lbs 9 oz, and the second was 10"

Thank goodness. We might have had to "give in" on the claim that a CH hit is worse than childbirth

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by vig on Mar 29^th, 2005, 3:35pm

that sounds more like a triple-E section..

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by cootie on Mar 29^th, 2005, 5:16pm

Anyone have a 'cure' for cabin fever ? Is there a special diet to make SUMMER come faster.....if so I'm in. Summertime blueser Pam

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Jonny on Mar 29^th, 2005, 5:29pm

on 03/29/05 at 17:16:42, cootie wrote:

Anyone have a 'cure' for cabin fever ? Is there a special diet to make SUMMER come faster.....if so I'm in. Summertime blueser Pam

Yep, the thong dance....outside ;;D

Title: Re: cure for me! you too?
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Mar 29^th, 2005, 5:43pm

on 03/29/05 at 17:16:42, cootie wrote:

Anyone have a 'cure' for cabin fever ? Is there a special diet to make SUMMER come faster.....if so I'm in. Summertime blueser Pam

Got just the cure for you - run nekkid through the woods, scream like a banshee and eat chocolate!

I hear you about the cabin fever - I call it shack wacky - same thing!

Good luck with that - send photos! ;;D
Carol