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Title: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by notseinfeld on Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:58pm Soldier receives hate mail from Brooklyn Elementary School Children. (hey, I wonder where they got that idea from?) http://nypost.com/news/worldnews/40259.htm Got a friend from NY arriving in about 4 hours for a visit here in Atlanta. As luck would have it, he's a teacher in Brooklyn where schools are numbers, not names. Think he's at PS114 or something equally as cryptic. Just can't wait for his arrival. >:( |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by sandie99 on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:01pm Fair enough. The kids do have a point. Wrong place to send the letters, though. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by guesst on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:02pm Quote:
Sounds like normal public school cirriculum to me. >:( |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by clarence on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:02pm Disagree with the war, fine... But why have school children take it out on the troops in the form of hate mail? Seems a bit cowardly, the teacher can't find the balls to do it him/her self. What the hell is with taking it out on the troops anyway? Casey |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by ghost62 on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:07pm And also to quote The one that asked for him to name 1 iraqi terrorist from the 1993 trade center bombing Abdul Rahman Said Yasin. Fled to bagdad |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by nani on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:08pm During the Vietnam war, anti-war protesters misdirected much of their frustration at the soldiers and not the Administration(s) that kept them there. It was very sad. Guys would get back in the States and be spit on! I think that encouraging independent thought in middle schoolers is a good thing...that's how civilizations evolve. Knowing where to direct those feelings doesn't always come naturally. It was the adult's responsibility to get those letters sent where they belong...in Congress. That's really too bad...those kids overseas don't need that crap. :( |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by ghost62 on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:13pm Nani you hit it right on the head [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Frank_W on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:20pm Nauseating... Utterly sickening. :'( |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Linda_Howell on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:30pm When I was in Junior High, the very last thing on my mind was politics or the pros or cons of War. Makes me wonder where these kids are getting their opinions FROM???? Linda |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by BobG on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:33pm Is that for real? I Google'd the words Rob Jacobs, JHS 51, and JHS 51 Park Slope and got nothing. No mention of this story. I'm at work and locked out of Urban Legends & Folklore site. Can someone else check if the story is true. Sounds fishy to me. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by nani on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:40pm on 02/22/05 at 13:30:54, Linda_Howell wrote:
Not me, Linda. Starting at age 11, I participated in many anti-war protests. And I was very aware of what was going on in the government at the time. I volunteered for campaigns, read the newspaper and watched the news everyday. Geeky - I know. But it was 1968, the world was changing and I wanted to be a part of it. Bob, I now see that the story was from the NY Post. Hmmm....the only tabloid sold as an actual newspaper. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by clarence on Feb 22nd, 2005, 3:13pm on 02/22/05 at 13:33:50, BobG wrote:
They reported the story on FoxNews this morning. Now, that doesn't make it true, but it is a second source. Casey |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Cerberus on Feb 22nd, 2005, 4:15pm I've already instructed my eldest to tell her Teacher's to keep their personal opinions and political views out of her cirriculum. Essentially "just the facts, ma'am" Ramon |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Donna_D. on Feb 22nd, 2005, 4:23pm Makes me wonder if these kids parents know what verbal vomit they were reinterating in letters to our men and women serving our country? My kid....thier teacher....someone would be losing thier job over this one. Shame on them.... JMHO w/a heaping serving of whoop ass on the side... (I told y'all I fell out of the wrong side of the bed this morning) DD |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Jimmy_B on Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:49pm First off...let me say these letters were definitely misdirected. If they actually felt this wasy, they should have sent the letters to their local Congressman/woman, Senator, or the White House. Being that I was in the Military, I can tell you most servicemen & servicewomen did NOT join to fight a war. They joined looking for training and job skills and when they are thrust into a war, they are basically just in life preservation mode. The article did say that 12 out of the 21 letters were supportive. If these were the actual views of the 9 other children...or the views their parent s are teaching them, why take it out on the teacher? The children were excercising their right to Free Speech. However, if it's found out that the teacher had a hand in forming these opinions...(doubtful, since 12 of the letters were supportive)...then he/she should be reprimanded. Me...I'm gonna wait until I get all the facts before I form an opinion on the teacher or the students. Just my 2 cents...Jimmy |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by BarbaraD on Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:29pm on 02/22/05 at 16:15:07, Cerberus wrote:
Thank you Ramon -- my sentiments exactly. I think kids should be "taught" to THINK instead of being programed. Gosh I was writing letters to my Congressman by the time I was in the third grade (OK, so he lived in the same town and I called him "Uncle", went to school with his kids, etc). I asked him what he did and he said, "I help people with their problems". Sounded good to me, so I just let him earn his keep. He was Congressman till I was grown and gone - always answered and helped me a number of times. Kids should be aware of current events, but they should be able to form their own opinions. Just don't get me started on people slamming our troops. I want them all home, but congress is the place to go to get that. These kids are doing more than their share in Iraq. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by john_d on Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:30pm sending bad-mouth letters to our soldiers, makes me want to send their parents to Iraq to live for a while. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by nani on Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:37pm Good point, BD. Children should learn to think...not memorize or parrot. How would a child learn to think for themselves if opposing views were not presented, I wonder. Especially at middle school age. I enjoy it when one of my children comes home and tells me of a view one of their teachers (or coaches, etc) may have shared with them. At that point I tell them what my opinion is and we discuss how they are now in a position to form their own opinion. It can be a teaching opportunity for the parent. Not to teach them to mimic their opinion, but to form their own. Independent thought...it's what America was founded on. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by rumplestiltskin on Feb 23rd, 2005, 2:29am One Muslim boy wrote: "Even thoe [sic] you are risking your life for our country, have you seen how many civilians you or some other soldier killed?" That's a quote from the article...and a fair question that deserves to be asked. Way over 16.000 iraqi civilians killed to date. Why don't iraqi children matter? I refuse to support that. Brainwashing a society and an army of youth to call the murder of 16.000 civilians acceptable is what ought to shock us. When I watch the in depth reports of the soldiers going out on patrol....I get more than pissed at the corporate American fat cats who are causing this havoc...terrorizing decent american men and arabs alike putting decent american youth in a position where they just feel like shooting everybody and everything that moves...life in the land of snipers....and no ...there's no winning here by anyone you or I know. I see the "kill em all" attitude here...shake my head at the suicidal folks and mostly sit back on this board. I know...I know....Don't try to teach a pig to sing...you'll only end up frustrated and piss off the pig. Wage Peace den |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by floridian on Feb 23rd, 2005, 5:58am on 02/22/05 at 19:30:52, john_d wrote:
And the rude behavior we saw from those kids never would have happened in Saddams Iraq, or Kim's North Korea .... kinda makes the conservatives in this country jealous. I still have a letter I wrote to President Nixon in the first grade: "Dear Mr. President, I know that there are a lot of terrible things going on in this world, but that the United States is doing its best to do its best." When I was old enough to read about what was really going on, I learned Tricky Dick was napalming children, lying to the American public, and burglarizing his political opponents. I agree that children should not be used as political props - by either the left or right. But if we are going to have kids write to the troops or politicians, then it is time for free speech and honesty (and a modicum of manners) not for indoctrination and censorship. This is the type of wave-the-flag and get-in-line bullshit that goes on in the name of the troops ... are the conservatives going to complain about it?? http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/aarp.gif Thats right, the people that brought you the swiftboat lies are now targetting the AARP because they want to neutralize the opposition to social security reform. So they accuse AARP of being anti-troop and pro-gay. Never mind that the troops are the kids and grandkids of the AARP members. Nevermind that the AARP is not an organization on a gay marriage crusade. Just yell 'Traitor!' and 'Faggot!' at your enemy. It seemed to work in the last election, why stop now Mr. McCarthy?? Mark Twain was right - patriotism is often the last refuge of scoundrels. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by don on Feb 23rd, 2005, 7:35am Quote:
Before you all fall off your soap boxes and bruise yourself, refect. September 11, 2001 |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by clarence on Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:17am I have to say flo, you sent your letter to the President. I see your point. Free speech, and you are right, this never would have happened in a totalitarian regime. However, maybe the kids anger was misdirected. That soldier was asked to participate in that program, and was then blindsided with trash talk from 6th graders. IF the teacher had read the letters (as it seems he did), then maybe those letters of complaint should have been forwarded to the appropriate state or federal representative. You said that it was time for free speech, not indoctrination and censorship. I think that one of the questions here is indoctrination - were these kids put up to it by the teacher? By their parents? If so, they have been used. As for censorship, the soldier's dad was on television this morning, and he had a good point. He said, "When I was in school teachers censored us all the time." Me too. I'm not saying censor them, but maybe direct their concerns to a more appropriate person/s, a politician stationed in Washington rather than a soldier stationed in Korea. Then again, what do I know? Casey |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by floridian on Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:22am on 02/23/05 at 07:35:24, don wrote:
Yeah, Don, people should reflect on that. Maybe you are confusing the war against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan (which most Americans support) with the occupation of Iraq, which divides the nation almost equally? http://med-owl.com/clusterheadaches/show_image.php?id=1 |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Kevin_M on Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:40am on 02/22/05 at 13:40:11, nani wrote:
I got drawn in with Lt. Calley and the Mei Lai (sp) incident, that was a civilian/children controversy too. A three day suspension from high school made me reflect on what the fuck do I know about actually "being there". The draft lottery was going to answer that question for me anyway. This stage of war seems to be stuck at the inevitable reality that driving the opposition underground often only sharpens it. Fighting that job to the finish has always been difficult. Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by guesst on Feb 23rd, 2005, 9:55am Hey Flo.! How many innocent Iraqis died under Saddam's rule? |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by nani on Feb 23rd, 2005, 9:56am AARP? Crap...I'm probably already on a watch list for my "subversive" views and now...My hubby as an AARP member, so I'm honorary...just got my name on another watch list. :( I'll send ya'll a postcard from Cuba... |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by floridian on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:04am on 02/23/05 at 09:55:32, guesst wrote:
Quite a few. Should we invade every country where human rights are being trampled?? The war was sold on forged documents, flawed premises and hysteria. Hey, Thomas, how many Bush Administration officials supported Saddam's murders?? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld_saddam.gif It wasn't until Saddam invaded Kuwait and threatened oil supplies that his human rights violations were denounced in Washington. When Saddam started a war to steal resources from Iran, Bush 41 supported him with intelligence and material. Rumsfeld went to Baghdad and shook Saddam's hand after he gassed the Kurds - such things were conviently overlooked when Saddam was useful, and convienently dredged up when the decision was made to get rid of Saddam. The idea that it is all about human rights is absurd .... but if you believe it, I can also hook you up with a magnificient bridge and some prime wetland! |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by nani on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:06am Let's not forget that we supported BinLaden once, too. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by guesst on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:08am on 02/23/05 at 10:06:54, nani wrote:
No, we supported The Taliban not Bin Laden. edit to change al quaida to taliban. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Frank_W on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:13am on 02/23/05 at 10:08:23, guesst wrote:
Neither is correct. We supported the Mujahadeen who were being led at the time, by bin Laden, when they were resisting invasion by the Soviets. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by floridian on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:14am on 02/23/05 at 08:17:16, clarence wrote:
That's a fair question, Casey. I don't think the schools should be involved in boosterism - be it political or religious, left wing or right wing. If the teacher did put them up to it, it was wrong. But given the varieties of opinion over the occupation, its possible that the teacher's 'fault' was not censoring out dissent. Reminds me of the school that sponsored a Pepsi rally, and then suspended a kid who wore a Coca-Cola t-shirt that day. Was it a student showing disrespect, or a system wrongly trying to enforce a particular set of values?? |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by guesst on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:18am on 02/23/05 at 10:04:04, floridian wrote:
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by floridian on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:25am on 02/23/05 at 10:18:49, guesst wrote:
Yeah, I know you are generally quite skeptical - I agree with you that both parties slurp, but I think the party in power tends to slurp more. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by guesst on Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:27am on 02/23/05 at 10:25:29, floridian wrote:
That has happened since the beginning of time, "To the victor go the spoils" (Love the "a lot of stuff" ) that was cute, got me smiling. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by don on Feb 23rd, 2005, 6:15pm Quote:
Nope not at all. I just noticed that evreyone has heavy hearts over the Iraqi losses and seemed to have overlooked the fact that we had a few ourselves. |
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Title: Re: Well isn't this f'n special... Post by Charlie on Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:41pm The whole thing is pretty bad. It's been like this in one way or another since about 1919. So much agony....for what; I'm not entirely sure. It's too bad one has to choose sides in place as shitty as Iraq. Nothing has changed; it's on tv for the first time in 80 years. Now that's fucken sad. Charlie |
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