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Title: Is it me? Post by Bethany1 on Feb 17th, 2005, 4:35pm Is President Bush spending money like a drunken sailor, or is it my imagination? I heard that it costs in the vicinity of 5 billion dollars a month to run the war in Iraq. Maybe I'm wrong, someone prove it to me. Please. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by guesst on Feb 17th, 2005, 4:36pm on 02/17/05 at 16:35:21, Bethany1 wrote:
They all have since I can remember. Haven't been too many guys/gals in Washington that are too tight with the ol' purse strings. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Charlie on Feb 17th, 2005, 4:52pm He is and they all have. I just wish he would listen just a trifle to the Liberatarian wing of the GOP; where I was for so many years. I need more bus service, not less. It trickles down...on me lately. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/brella.gif It woud be nice to not focus every budget cut on things that hurt me. I'm starting a be nice to me party. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/pet.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by floridian on Feb 17th, 2005, 4:59pm on 02/17/05 at 16:36:13, guesst wrote:
Check out the numbers - Clinton was one of the most fiscally conservative presidents in the last 30 years. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Charlie on Feb 17th, 2005, 5:04pm Oh boy......I can't wait for this thread to get going.... Settle back and keep your eyes peeled. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/POPCORN 2.gif Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/backforth.gif |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by guesst on Feb 17th, 2005, 5:09pm on 02/17/05 at 16:59:06, floridian wrote:
Yes and the demon Azagoth was one of the most Christian-like of all of hell's spawn for the last millenia. Edited to add this is not an attack on Clinton, just once again displaying my disdain for all politicians. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Frank_W on Feb 17th, 2005, 5:18pm http://www.jeepaholics.com/support/files/Jeepgun/20050214052342_snack.gif |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by eddie on Feb 17th, 2005, 6:01pm http://www.whitehouse.gov/interactive/ ask your questions directly to the WH burn them up with your questions see if they can give you answers. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by rextangle on Feb 17th, 2005, 6:07pm It's not you!!!! :) |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by nani on Feb 17th, 2005, 7:50pm on 02/17/05 at 18:01:28, eddie wrote:
I'm not gonna ask them...then I'll be on a watch list. Not you, Beth...not you. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Langa on Feb 17th, 2005, 7:53pm on 02/17/05 at 17:18:51, Frank_W wrote:
Frank, you and Charlie always have the coolest smileys...I want some! Oh, btw, Beth, not you girl! Langa |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by john_d on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:13pm It's the economy. The deficit goes up, the dollar goes down, trade goes up, on and on and on. Don't worry, somehow I think that as long as we have the most bombs the US will do ok financially. I could be wrong. ;;D Hey, I did not say I liked it. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by vig on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:17pm He's not following traditional Republican Ideology on spending and size of government. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by john_d on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:21pm You know what, John McCain is the only recent candidate I can think of who would have actually done that if he got in the white house. Did Reagan even do it? I am not sure. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Frank_W on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:41pm I think it's more than high time for a third party. Neither the ReBOOBlicans nor the DemoCRAPS serve any of us, anymore. They pander to the whiners, the lobbyists, the special interest groups, and it's ALL about money and who's in who's back pocket. Recent elections have boiled down to, not picking the man best suited for the job necessarily, as much as trying to pick the lesser of two evils, as we try to see our way clear through all of the mud-slinging and smokescreens that both parties continue to obscure things with. The sooner we get back to personal, individual responsibility for one's actions, earning one's own way, and putting Americans first in employment, finished goods, production, and manufacturing, the sooner our nation will be back on the right track. Until then, I'm afraid it's just a continuous downward spiral. My tuppence' worth. -Frank |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by clarence on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:43pm I thought that after the election we would all get back to talking about more important things, like the size of Jonny's... Nevermind. Casey |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by john_d on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:55pm on 02/17/05 at 20:43:45, clarence wrote:
politics and gay fantasies don't mix Casey, lol. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by clarence on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:58pm on 02/17/05 at 20:55:20, john_d wrote:
Tell that to the (ex-)governor of New Jersey... Casey |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by john_d on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:59pm on 02/17/05 at 20:58:00, clarence wrote:
lol, oh yeah!!! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by eddie on Feb 17th, 2005, 9:19pm http://www.geocities.com/uedd38/20050120-5_4-p44290-334-515h.jpg can we tell who is holding the bible for Dick VP his gay daughter hmmmm is that mixing? is that what you want? |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by brain_cramps on Feb 17th, 2005, 10:23pm on 02/17/05 at 21:19:04, eddie wrote:
[smiley=huh.gif] A little punctuation would go a long way. Clarity is everything, Grant |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by eddie on Feb 17th, 2005, 10:34pm picture was clear to me. you missed that you must not be very clear or open minded. my point was made without a ??? |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by ClusterChuck on Feb 17th, 2005, 10:43pm on 02/17/05 at 21:19:04, eddie wrote:
What is wrong with his GAY daughter holding the bible? It is HIS daughter, and if he wants that, then so be it. Don't get me started about how gays are abused and shit on. What is so wrong about same sex marrage, or at least legal union? THAT is not what is wrong with marrage today, and in no way detracts or jepredizes (spelling??) traditional marrage. Why can't a life partner go into the ICU area of the hospital to visit their partner? GRRRR!!! Don't get me going!!! Neither party wants to step out on these ideas! Roe vs Wade was settled MANY years ago. Why are people still trying to tear it down? Why don't the congressmen and senators dump their lucrative "gravy train" retirement policy and get on the social security system, like the rest of us have to? THEN the system would be fixed! Harrumph!!!! I NEVER get involved in political discussions!!! Chuck |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by eddie on Feb 17th, 2005, 10:46pm not a thing that was my point . twit |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by nani on Feb 17th, 2005, 10:50pm on 02/17/05 at 22:46:48, eddie wrote:
This is what I love about my friend, eddie...few words...but strong ones. :) :-* |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by ClusterChuck on Feb 17th, 2005, 11:10pm on 02/17/05 at 22:46:48, eddie wrote:
That is not the way it reads, but then again, most of us know where to use punctuation, so that our thoughts are clear. TWIT??? No comment. I don't stoop to name calling. Chuck |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by eddie on Feb 17th, 2005, 11:16pm you are still a twit!!!!!!!!!! i hate gay bashing twit got that one twit!!!! so STFUP |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by E-Double on Feb 17th, 2005, 11:22pm on 02/17/05 at 23:16:06, eddie wrote:
Easy killa......no bashing going on from the gentleman. Stepping down & to all a good night! |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Mr. Happy on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:49am on 02/17/05 at 16:35:21, Bethany1 wrote:
It must be your imagination, since thinking any other way is unpatriotic, and you fall under Patriot Act 1. We can crank out $80 billion dollar foreign packets w/o a second thought, but our schools are cut to the quick, and Chaz can't catch a decent bus. Clinton was my hero. Good commerce, and oral sex became a commonplace word.....didn't count as sex anymore. Why we let this man go....... How Cheyney's gay daughter became a hot topic is beyond me. Why is this important? Now......if she'd been fucking goats, RJ |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by ClusterChuck on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:52am on 02/18/05 at 00:49:13, Mr. Happy wrote:
Ummm .... Is there something wrong with doing that??? I hear Don has a whole herd in his back yard for when Lance is not available ... And Jonny takes advantage of them, when Don is at the bath house ... Chuck |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by sandie99 on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:55am That's one thing I've always found funny: US presidents always find money when it comes to war/army/attacking somewhere but less when it comes to healthcare etc. ::) |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by notseinfeld on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:01am Tried like hell to avoid this thread but I've clearly failed. Nahright--ya got me sandie-- It's not the government's job to provide healthcare for the citizens. That's our job. If the government were to take it's nose and money extorting hand OUT of healthcare it would be actually affordable. BTW, if you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it's free. I would challenge anyone reading this to give evidence of ANY government run program that the free market didn't or couldn't operate more efficiently. So, not only have I been sucked in but also must check back and respond. I'm sure there's medication for these masochistic tendencies. as ever, david |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by eddie on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:07am KERRY is the jerk that took a shot at his daughter thats why i didnt vote for that jerk and his policies!! and i would vote for CONDI anyday!! she has more brains than most men here!! |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Charlie on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:23am Quote:
Bullshit. It is and works in all but a fraction of every industrialized western country in the world. Clusterheads in them can actually afford and get enough Imitrex when needed. Our dispicable drug companies pay 100s of millions of dollars to keep government out of the health care precisely because the opposite is true. When government does get involved...and it will someday, health care will finally be within reach. It's a 180. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Mr. Happy on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:26am on 02/18/05 at 01:07:47, eddie wrote:
Seems to be a recurring theme, no matter what thread. I, for one, protest. Stop feeding the Trollettes, eddie. Praise Wotan WDGCH, RJ |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Lizzie2 on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:34am When I was in 7th grade (yah...about 12 years ago or so???) I won an award at a forensics competition for speech. I spoke about health care in the United States and compared it to health care programs in Canada, Germany, and Sweden. I said that the socialised health care system was far superior to the problems in the current US system. Now, I believe that times have changed somewhat, and the socialist system of health care has its flaws too, but I still think it is better than what we have here. Shit, if we didn't have the government intervention, then we wouldn't have medicaid or medicare...and that would put a lot more people on the uninsured list, and we'd have even more deaths than we already do. Not that I'm a big fan of medicaid...because I believe it is greatly abused in many ways, but at the same time...it is necessary for many people. WIC is one of the best programs out there. I forget if it is national or just in PA, but it is to provide food for Women, Infants, and Children. I can't tell you how many times I've sat down with new mothers to fill out the paperwork for their baby to be able to get some formula because they can't afford it. And due to time constraints with working so that they can have some cash flow to take care of the kid, breast feeding isn't always an option past those first few days for some mothers. Breast feeding is also a cultural issue...and you will find that it is much less popular in urban settings than it is in suburban/rural settings. But that's besides the point. I guess I feel like I see the best and worst of it at Jefferson. Because of the quality of our center, a lot of people travel from pretty far away and have decent insurance and can afford the bills. Then we have Joe Smith walking in from the street where he's slept on a subway vent for about a week now. Where do we even send the bill? The Vent Philadelphia, PA 19107 Seriously! I gotta say I'm always with Charlie when it comes to health care in these United States. It bites the big one. And also...granted I was in high school when Clinton was president and all, but...didn't he like...balance the national debt or something to that effect? I don't have the greatest memory and I'm too tired to go googling it up, but I thought that was something we paid a great deal of attention to back in the day. ;) Just my 0.02 (and a half) L2 :) |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by karma on Feb 18th, 2005, 7:31am Quote:
The actual cost of the war in Irag can only be figured out if you know the cost of running the military during peace time. If you assume that the cost of running the military in Irag is 5 bill. then either the cost of running the military during peacetime is zero or the peacetime cost needs to be added. Then you have Civil engineering projects, aid projects, educational projects, medical projects, etc. etc. Are these included in the figure? Whatever the cost, it is considered an investment. Will the investment payoff in the longrun? Who knows, but the Bush administartion is gambling that it will. When it comes to social medicine vs. free enterprise you pay one way or the other. Social medicine costs me an additional 30% of the salaries I pay. In addition the employee is required to pay 20% for social services. Either way you gotta pay to play. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by don on Feb 18th, 2005, 7:53am Quote:
We have a "kid" we named Jonny Jr. Ever see a goat with Tatts? |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by clarence on Feb 18th, 2005, 8:17am I didn't mean to get us off topic onto the virtues and/or vices of homosexuality. In fact, it was never homosexual fantasies I was interested in. I just thought that after the election we were gonna move on to BIGGER things. Anyway, as for health care in other nations...I have to say I have been WAITING for a phone call from a neurologist for over a month, just so I can get an oxygen script. Just this morning I had an appointment at the regular doc for 7.50 am. Showed up and no one was there. No One. Office closed. WTF? Tax here is another thing. Big "sales tax." Also, I don't know too much about prescription drug costs, for others. For me, I have a $5000 (CDN)/year max on drugs. The cheapest I can find Imitrex is about $75 (CDN) for the two pack syringes. Then add the dispensing fee. And I don't think that everyone here gets prescription drug coverage (could be wrong, I did just move here...). Scotland was a bit different. Didn't have trouble seeing the Neuro, did have lots of trouble getting Oxygen. However, all Dr. visits are covered, and ALL prescriptions cost £6.80. Six two-pack syringes - £6.80. Not too bad. I agree with some other's sentiments about health care. It is never free. There are trade offs everywhere you go. Everywhere. Socializing medicine, in and of itself, in the States won't solve the problem. That said, I have to believe that to deny any person health care or prescription drugs on the basis of money, that they can't afford it, is immoral. Casey |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by rickyshot on Feb 18th, 2005, 8:42am I live in Canada and with all its big problems with socialized medicine, EVERYONE can get healhcare. I literally lost my home and everything in the States due to healthcare. I could not afford the 20% out of pocket expenses after my insurance paid, that is when I had insurance. I was sicker than a dog literally traumatized my youth I felt so bad. Yes we pay higher taxes but it is worth it. Healthcare costs. You are gonna pay no matter what. PoliTRICKS I hate it. So fuckin what a Gay person holding the Bible. Seems to me that is a good thing. They need it like everyone else. Shit Jimmy Swaggart is holding it every week on TV after his debaucle with sleepers and masterbation in front of them. The woman in question said she would not want him around her kids. You got all kinds of devils holding the Bible. WTF is that argument anyway. WAr on drugs???? Don't make me laugh. We make war on oil. God forbid we don't get our lites on and can't get to work. That is gonna hurt. And God forbid we don't get our highs from drugs. PUhleeeze if there were a war on drugs , we would bomb the cocaine fields in Columbia. The fact is drugs is part of the American fabric and it gets to us from high places. You are talking about people making a million a week. They would sell their mamas at this point. And you can't get drugs here if you do not have a market. I say make it all legal I don't care what it is and those of us who are foolish enough to use them can take the consequences with a monkey on their back. No laws , adds or campaigns deter people from their vices. Child pornographers, murderers, child abusers, rapists of children, people who torture children etc should be put to death pure and simple. Forget even life imprisonment. I am extreme but it is the truth. The fact is that most politrickcians are greedy, lustful, armoral, power hungry , fat cats and I can't stand the whole lot of them. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by catlind on Feb 18th, 2005, 8:50am The Canadian health care system is broken. At least in Ontario. Each province runs it's own, with federal dollars added in. If the US were to use that Canadian model (from Ontario at least) you would have no doctors that could write you those prescriptions. You would get less than top quality care because the doctors have limited access to diagnostics and are overwhelmed. Oh and by the way, when I left Ontario you would be on a waiting list for heart surgery - for 2 years, on a waiting list for radiation therapy (yes for cancer) for 6 months. But it's free. Think long and hard before you think that social system is any good. Cat |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Lizzie2 on Feb 18th, 2005, 8:51am on 02/18/05 at 08:17:35, clarence wrote:
This is my main issue. At least under socialised medicine there is a chance that every person has coverage. It really makes me feel depressed that sometimes people who need insurance coverage the most in the United States can't get it. Even last summer...don't know if those of you saying our system is okay run by private enterprise read about my near suicide-attempt because of the issues I was having with Aetna HMO. They refused to pay for about 5 of my prescriptions. Referrals kept getting "misplaced". They refused to cover oxygen, no matter how much it was appealed. I probably got myself into the biggest mess of my life thanks to that. Well, actually the mess with my current neuro is probably bigger and equally as devastating, if not moreso, but all I have to say is that dealing with private insurance companies and no advocate can really make you lose your mind. I think it would be a kind factor for at least every person to be offered insurance... |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Frank_W on Feb 18th, 2005, 9:06am Good point, Cat. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by rickyshot on Feb 18th, 2005, 9:08am In Canada I wait for the heart surgery. In America I am not going to have it pure and simple. It would break me, I can't pay for it or pay the co insurance and would lose everything I have like I did before. So I get the heart surgery bravo and have no food to eat or place to stay. Might as well be dead anyway. EVERYONE should have acess to medical care. It is a crime before God and man that the richest country in the world cannot provide this for its citizens because of greed and mismanagement but that is politricks. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Frank_W on Feb 18th, 2005, 9:24am Is this thread going to turn into yet another Canadian shaking a self-righteous finger at the United States? (wake me up when we get to something that hasn't already been done a thousand times.) *YAWWWWWWWWn* |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by rickyshot on Feb 18th, 2005, 9:30am NO it is not finger shaking. The poitricks in Canada are no better. Same sorry lot. I am saying in general I hate poitricks.....We have plenty of problems is Canada, the lifestyle is quite parellel to the US. I have lived in both countries and can say that. And most of the problems are caused by you guessed it politrickcians... |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by nani on Feb 18th, 2005, 9:36am ...and greed. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Lizzie2 on Feb 18th, 2005, 9:39am on 02/18/05 at 09:24:17, Frank_W wrote:
I'm not from Canada, but I still will bash the US health care system to no end because it really is one of our greatest dispairities. Even now, I have a blue cross insurance...considered to be the 3rd best PPO in the ENTIRE COUNTRY. Know what? I'm stuck seeing a neuro who almost killed me twice and I don't get along with one bit because no other headache centers will take my insurance. And I have not even close to a quarter of the money to pay for the visits out of pocket. I get paid about $200 every 2 weeks, and that's pretty much barely enough to get by. So yeah...my opinion of our health care system is less than favourable. But, I think the evidence is pretty clear as to why. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Margi on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:03am on 02/18/05 at 09:24:17, Frank_W wrote:
Just so you know, Frank - Cat's actually the only natural born Canadian commenting here. (Casey and Ricky are Americans living in Canada.) |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by karma on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:09am Quote:
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by clarence on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:17am on 02/18/05 at 09:24:17, Frank_W wrote:
While I am not a Canadian (thanks for the clarification Margi), Frank has a point. This thread started off as a discussion of Bush's spending, and with a political discussion on the issue. So, let's get back on track, and talk about the original subject, which, "hasn't been done a thousand times." ;) (Can you feel my sarcasm?), Casey Edited to say that I really did appreciate Margi's clarification. People should be informed as to where people are from before accusing them of being from Canadia ;;D |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by hilbily on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:18am Some of the biggest problems with the US healthcare system are caused by the involvement of the government and the insurance companies. Were it all to be a competitive free enterprise, it would look much like the plastic surgery industry. There the costs have come down over the years, and these places compete for your business, often by reducing the prices. The problem with considering healthcare something that you have a "right" to, is that in order for you to receive a service or product that you haven’t paid for, the money has to come from someone else. If it’s the govt. providing that care, then they have taken that money from someone else, basically at the point of a gun. I’m not certain what the solution is at this point, as we’re so far down the road to socialized medicine already, but I’m sure that more govt. involvement is not the answer! Jim PS Bethany, as to your original question, YES he is spending like a drunken sailor. Now we know what the "Compassionate" in Compassionate Conservatism means. I think from now on, I'll just take my conservatism straight up! |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by guesst on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:20am Politicians suck. There, that is all you need to know. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Frank_W on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:25am The United States is not without its problems. One of the top issues, in every election, at least as far back as Clinton's first term, has been the problem with our health care system. I don't know what the answer is... The Socialist model for health care doesn't quite cut it, either. I lived in Japan for ten years and saw how the physicians and pharmaceutical companies are in each other's pockets. The same is true under our current health care system. It seems to me that under the Socialist health care system, a lot of the impetus for research and development takes a real hit. In Japan, so much of the equipment and techniques that are used are so antiquated, it's scary. It seems to me that something first needs to be done about the pervasive greed and price-gouging that goes on. The HMO's need to be dismantled, or at least have a leash put on them that keeps them from dictating to doctors what they can and can't do. A cap needs to be put on malpractice claims, so that patients are not awarded million-dollar settlements. There needs to be a cap on the amount of money that the pharmaceutical companies are allowed to charge for medications. The list goes on and on... The whole system is so terribly broken, but it's so huge and represents so many billions of dollars, that I doubt if anything will ever be done to rectify the situation. :-/ People yell and scream about government interfering too much with our lives, but when something goes wrong, the first thing they do is scream for more legislation. It's a vicious cycle... |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by floridian on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:36am on 02/18/05 at 10:25:22, Frank_W wrote:
Well look at research into cluster headaches. Some of the best research in the world is from the UK and Italy - countries that many here dismiss as socialist. Why isn't the US (which is bigger, richer, and 'less socialist') the undisputed leader in cluster headache research?? Becase we are driven too much by corporate agendas - it doesn't pay to research those 'rare' diseases. Corporate grant money now controls much of the government grant money in the US - Big Pharm can throw some money into a med school and get the school to spend state and federal money on their projects. Cutting the amount of money that government spends on research is not going to increase research. Directing that money to adress societal needs is the answer. Let the pharamaceutical companies do what they want - but the money is in chemicals that help old men get it up and remove the appearance of fine wrinkles around the eyes. That is a limitation of the market - spending is based on human psychology. But a government grant agency can step back from that and fund real medical issues that would otherwise be ignored. In related news, yesterday the US FDA announced it was setting up an independent office to review drug safety. Which raises a question: what have they been doing for the past 50 years?? Public libraries are a communist plot. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Frank_W on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:42am Good points, Floridian and Jim. LOL, Casey... ;) |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by nani on Feb 18th, 2005, 10:51am Back to spending...Bush has created a new position and nominated John Negroponte to be the the first Director of National Intelligence. Or Supreme Intelligence Overlord. (Honest to God...those words were used in an article by Knut Royce of Newsday - I just don't know if it was his term or the President's)) |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Bob P on Feb 18th, 2005, 11:00am Quote:
I resemble that remark! Hey, you only have to put up Dubya for another 4 years. heheheh |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by karma on Feb 18th, 2005, 11:34am Quote:
Cuba has the third best medical care in the western hemisphere with the U.S. and Canada being higher. They are at the forefront of aids research and have developed many of the procedures for eye care used worldwide. Cuban doctors are routinely sent to any country that needs help and will have them. But then Doctors and cane cutters earn the same monthly salary of $175/month. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Bethany1 on Feb 18th, 2005, 11:38am I just get sick to my stomach when I think about what the elderly people are going through right now. If Im 30 making good money and have a hard time paying for $150 box of imitrex, what are they doing? Ya know? I just think there has to be a better way. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by BobG on Feb 18th, 2005, 11:38am on 02/18/05 at 11:00:32, Bob P wrote:
Hey Boob, it's about time you joined the string. Thought you would have showed up on the first page. Yep, only 4 more years of Bush. Then we get to elect Hillary. That's the man we need in the White House. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by guesst on Feb 18th, 2005, 11:42am on 02/18/05 at 11:38:12, Bethany1 wrote:
100 years ago and you would be considered middle aged and getting close to being elderly. There is a price for a longer life. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by karma on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:10pm Quote:
Then you need to rethink your priorities |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Bethany1 on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:18pm on 02/18/05 at 12:10:44, karma wrote:
Maybe your right. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Lizzie2 on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:40pm Just regarding those malpractice caps... Yes, frivalous lawsuits should definitely have a cap. But people who, for instance, get transplanted a heart of the wrong blood type and die... Get radical mastectomies for breast cancer they never had... Shall I go on? I do not believe that there should be a cap in these instances. Even though money can't buy someone's life back....it isn't the same if you burn your hand on a hot cup of McDonald's coffee and if you die because at least 10 people forgot to check your blood type before transplanting a new heart in your chest! sad stuff... |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by nani on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:42pm I agree with Carrie....in a case where someone can no longer support themselves due to carelessness...no cap. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by floridian on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:10pm The right to sue is the right to defend yourself and your family. The right to bear arms is all very nice, but we aren't a frontier society anymore, and I am more concerned with being screwed by corporations, hospitals, and identity thiefs than the violent criminals (although I do own a few firearms just in case). The chamber of commerce and Bush Inc. are doing their best to disarm the people, stop them from being able to represent themselves in a disagreement. You folks don't need to go to court to settle disputes. There aren't any disputes. Just accept your lot in life and get on with it. |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Frank_W on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:12pm You gotta admit, though: The right to arm bears is pretty cool. ;;D Love, Smokey 8) |
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Title: Re: Is it me? Post by Charlie on Feb 18th, 2005, 1:56pm One has to consider why the big drug companies dump all that money into keeping the feds out of health care. I guarantee you it's not because they are afraid the government would mess it up and make drugs more expensive and make more money for them. Their "we need more for research" is a lie. Much more research is done overseas than here. It's well-documented. Basically, if Karl Rove and George Bush are for it, it hurts the little guy. I've never seen such a lopsided and...there is no other word for it: mean bunch. They do not care for you and me. Bush has no interest in "fixing" Social Security.....which isn't at all in need of it; he wants to kill it. They've been hoping to destroy this; the most succeseful idea ever to come out of Washington for 70 years. Part of the reason goes way back to when FDR won a third term. They'll get over it. They pant at the possibilty of returning our country to 1890 "values." I'll take socialized medicine any day. My best friend, who has worked hard all his life, has a 85 year old mother who has exhasted her SS this year and has to remain in constant care. It's going to run $6,000 a month and bankrupt this man and his family, who has contributed so much to our community. He was very carefully and planned for retirement but to no avail. Yes, you and I could spare a little change to prevent shit like this. Mrs. K's care should not ruin the lives of her grandchildren. You want broken? This is it. If any country on earth needs socialized medicine, it's this one. Health is all we think about. Charlie |
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