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(Message started by: sappygirl13 on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:51pm)

Title: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by sappygirl13 on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:51pm
I have honestly found the love of my life...however i'm having issues with the whole thing...cause as the topic of marriage settles in-i really start to think it's incredibly unfair to drag someone thru the lifestyle i live.  Although he seems fine with the situation...i can't help but to think of eventually starting a family.  I can't take care of myself...let alone a family.  And even tho we discuss all of this....i really don't think he understands that my 120% is only gonna really tally up to about 30% of what needs to be done.  I just think this seems unfair...how does everyone else deal with it?

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by vig on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:52pm
don't look at me...
I'm not married...

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by don on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:54pm

Quote:
unfair to drag someone thru the lifestyle i live


If your talking about CH then I think your making a big deal out of nothing. Treat your headaches and get on with your life.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Mark C on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:56pm
no

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Sean_C on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:58pm

on 12/15/04 at 20:54:34, don wrote:
If your talking about CH then I think your making a big deal out of nothing. Treat your headaches and get on with your life.


Exactly ;;D Life doesn't stop unless you let it. I say go for it. ;;D


Sean................................

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by sappygirl13 on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:59pm
i'm still at the trial and error stage of treat'n my CH...and i guess i just worry because i see on here sooo many people who have suffered for 15+ yrs and i read about the toll it takes on the family

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Sean_C on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:00pm
LMAO Mark ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Sean_C on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:05pm

on 12/15/04 at 20:59:02, sappygirl13 wrote:
i'm still at the trial and error stage of treat'n my CH...and i guess i just worry because i see on here sooo many people who have suffered for 15+ yrs and i read about the toll it takes on the family


My familiy is aclimated(sp) to my disorder, yours will too.......................if not we'll send jonny over there to express what the pain feels like ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Donna_D. on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:08pm
Seems to me that if you have to ask these questions, there may be other doubts in your mind that this one is really THE ONE...

When in doubt...do nothing.  You will never question True Love.


DD

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by kissmyglass on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:10pm
my main squeeze is in worse shape than me.  Fuck the clusters & go for it!

Kev

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by broomhilda on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:10pm

on 12/15/04 at 21:08:37, Donna_D. wrote:
Seems to me that if you have to ask these questions, there may be other doubts in your mind that this one is really THE ONE...

When in doubt...do nothing.  You will never question True Love.


DD

Well said, could not agree more, in sickness and in health...

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:12pm
Donna has expressed this beautifully.  Couldn't agree more.

Your headaches aren't who you are.

Good luck with your decision.

Carol

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:13pm
How long have you been hooked up w/ this guy and what's your CH condition?

I get slammed every couple of years now and I respond well to meds so other than getting worn out and a little cranky during cycle it's no big deal. But, I did spoil our honeymoon with a few major hits... Who know's - perhaps Glaxo will invent some drug that eliminates CHs altogether.  Advances in treatment have made coping a lot easier for me at least.

So, follow don's advice.  Don't let the HAs influence your decision.  Lord knows, it's a tough one to make.

Congrats and post your wedding pics!  Better yet, mount a webcam in the honeymoon suite ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by E-Double on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:15pm
Ya know what..........

If he loves you and you love him then what's the problem?

I got married 3 1/2 weeks ago :)

We have lived together for 3yrs and been together for 6....
she knows who I am, what I am about and despite having CH in my life....

My life is not CH!!!!!!!!!

Hurts like hell and like many I have often prayed for death but you have to do the best that you can to live your life!

Do not let this thing bring you down past the point of .........

Hang in there and LIVE!

Eric

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Mark C on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:17pm

on 12/15/04 at 21:10:23, broomhilda wrote:
..........sickness........


(Do you feel that?)
(Oh shit)
Drowning deep in my sea of loathing
Broken your servant I kneel
(Will you give it to me?)
It seems what's left of my human side
Is slowly changing ... in me
(Will you give it to me?)

Now that you've woken up the demon ... in me

Get up, come on get down with the sickness...............

Disturbed....


Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by cootie on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:19pm
Ya won't really know someone till ya've went thru the stress of life......if he's familiar with yer condition and all that can does and will goes with it then he should do fine. Too many people get married too soon......they go thru bill, health, and family stress and it all goes to hell in a rust bucket. Good luck to ya........Rusty butt Pam

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by sappygirl13 on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:23pm

on 12/15/04 at 21:08:37, Donna_D. wrote:
Seems to me that if you have to ask these questions, there may be other doubts in your mind that this one is really THE ONE...
When in doubt...do nothing.  You will never question True Love.
DD


i definitely don't question the love....he is everything.  I just know situational now...i miss a lotta work-so financially i'm bad off....and like i said...i know how much people hafta help me out now....and that's no way to raise a family

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:37pm
Then move in with the guy and hope to get married at some time in the future.  Consider it an exhibition game before the season opens. You don't have to start a family right away or at all for that matter.  Relax.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Sean_C on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:42pm
I don't know your situation but by the sounds of it maybe you should wait. Once you start your family you won't be able to re-decide, you'll be committed to it. No sense in trying to take care of a family if you can't take care of yourself. Wait a few years, your young, enjoy life for a while, there's no rush.

Sean......................

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Melissa on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:43pm
I think that getting married is being fair to YOURSELF.  A person who loves you for you, will not judge you and will stick by you through thick and thin.  Shying away from relationships is not the way to "live" your life.  

As Don said, treat your ha's and get on with your life.

take care,
mel

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by thebbz on Dec 15th, 2004, 11:27pm
Unfair is letting the demon in any way dictate what you should or should not do. If it is love it will work CH or not. My wife is one of the best weapons with the demon. So you are just beginning in your fight, as time goes on you will learn and get better at fighting CH. It's nice to have someone that loves you in your corner. ;)
BB

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Tiannia on Dec 15th, 2004, 11:38pm
If there is unconditional love, then let it be and love each other.  Do not start a family right off. THat changes many things in your life above and beyond CH.  I woudl never give up my kids for th anything int he world, and yes there is a toll that is paid with CH, but give yourself tiem to find a treatment that works and then think about a family. Tlak to him about it all, your fears your concerns everything. If you cant do that , then your marriage does not have a foundation to stand on.  

CH does not run my life. I might have to pause a bit at times or rework a days schedule cause the Beast is being an A$$ but my life between hits is my family. If the smile that my son gets when I pick him up and the look of undersanding when I help my daughter with her homeowrk.  Besides the hugs that I get especially right after a hit and I am shaking and crying in my husbands arms. Ther eis no toll in our love or our marriage. But acceptance and understanding.

Be true to your self and him.  
Good Luck,
-Tia

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Bill-G on Dec 15th, 2004, 11:50pm
 You love him, he loves you.   Looks like a good reason to get married :)

I've been married for 33 years. In that time there have been periods when each of us has been through hard times.  We are always there for each other..thats what love is.  Love doesn't demand a good deal, its not a contest.  its caring enough to go through whatever it takes to be together and make it work :)

Best wishes on whatever you decide

Take care
Bil

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 16th, 2004, 12:07am
CH is not the easiest thing to deal with, but with the right level of commitment and understanding, it does not have to come between you. In fact, it can draw you closer in some ways. Always be honest with yourselves and each other and it doesn't have to become a problem. Good luck and pain free wishes to you. :)

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by K-9 on Dec 16th, 2004, 2:42am
Just flip a coin!!!   No wait...........no............ I got nothin.  

Whatever they said is probably better.  Good luck with it, you'll be surprised what love can endure.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by the_old_man on Dec 16th, 2004, 6:14am
I've been married 37 years and have had CH for 27...2 cycles per year.  My wife is 4' 11" and weighs 91 pounds.  I have never met a stronger person in my life.  She has been there for me through it all.  I can't take meds, so I fight the beast bare-knuckled.  She has seen the beast in his full fury and does what she can to help me beat him back.  I can't imagine going through this without her.  We have NEVER let the beast dictate what we can or cannot do.  You live with it.  You adjust.  You make a life together.  CH won't kill you.  Living your life without love will.

The Old Man

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 16th, 2004, 7:36am
Is it fair to get married?

Not if you are genetically predisposed to stop putting out regularly within 24 months of tricking the poor lad into muttering 'I do'.  [smiley=bigtiny.gif]

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jeepgun on Dec 16th, 2004, 8:55am
Is it fair to you to allow CH to rule your life? Fuck that. Marginalize it as much as you can. You are not this pain, and you are so much more than this condition. We all are. We either consent to being victimized, or else we seize control and live our lives and LIVE!! In any case, you will make the best decision for you, and it will be what it is. Very best wishes to you and your beau, and congratulations on finding the love of your life. You are very very fortunate.

-Frank

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by TomM on Dec 16th, 2004, 9:12am
Fairness...who can define it? Life ain't fair. Getting CH ain't fair. Losing a job ain't fair. Losing a loved one ain't fair. You can't define it so don't live your life by it.

Treat your HA's but LIVE your life!

TomM

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Dec 16th, 2004, 9:15am
You love him. He loves you.

Now what was the question???

I wouldn't let CH get in the way of marrying someone who I love.

What you should do though is make damn sure that he knows what it's all about before making a lifetime commitment. If he hasn't seen you go through it yet, he'll probably freak when he does.

BTW: Anyone here who gets married has to post pictures of the wedding and reception. Honeymoon pictures are optional but reccommended

Pat

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Hirvimaki on Dec 16th, 2004, 9:23am
I can't think of anything else to add to all the great replies. Don't let CH rule your life or it will ruin everything for you.

I've been married 9 years and although CH sucks a$$, it does not affect the love my wife and I share.

Hirvimaki-Isi

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by becky8 on Dec 16th, 2004, 10:11am
I am totally with Donna on this one!!!! Personally I don't believe in marriage AT ALL for me anyway. Doesn't work and to me its just a word! and a contract!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] Thats just me everyone, so don't jump my bones please!!!!

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Tiannia on Dec 16th, 2004, 10:33am

on 12/16/04 at 10:11:43, becky8 wrote:
I am totally with Donna on this one!!!! Personally I don't believe in marriage AT ALL for me anyway. Doesn't work and to me its just a word! and a contract!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] Thats just me everyone, so don't jump my bones please!!!!


hehe that is what we told my folks, when my dad asked Shaun when we where going to get married.  Shaun said that we will when we decide to file a joint income tax return.   ;)  We got handfasted in the middle fo the Lake Tahoe Forrest by Spooner Lake in a groove on Summer Solstice. It was Beautiful.  Had hot dogs, Wine and Beer afterwards.  LEgally we had been married for 2 weeks, but even my mother does not know that.  For about 5 years she kept trying to think up ways to get a copy of our marriage lisence.  She finally stopped when I told her that it was none of her business if we where legally married or not. She should be happy that I was happy.  

Sorry to hi-jack your thread... But the point is, that the love and support that your soul mate can give you really really helps you get through your fights with the beast because once your hit is over, you can look at all of the things that you still have that it can not take away from you.

-Tia

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 16th, 2004, 10:45am

on 12/16/04 at 07:36:05, Rock_Lobster wrote:
Is it fair to get married?

Not if you are genetically predisposed to stop putting out regularly within 24 months of tricking the poor lad into muttering 'I do'.  [smiley=bigtiny.gif]

Now roc, I can tell you IF the bouncing stops before the contract is signed it's a non-starter.  No one is that stupid.  After the ink dries all bets are off.  Like I said earlier -- The best birth control device known to man is a Marriage Certificate.  Second best, your own wedding cake. 8)

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by becky8 on Dec 16th, 2004, 10:49am
Marlin,
[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif]

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 16th, 2004, 11:33am
Mark said, and I agree with him:

   
Quote:
no




  But don't go by what we say.  We're both jaded.

Linda

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by floridian on Dec 16th, 2004, 1:03pm
Is it fair to get married? No, only perfect people should get married.  But if you are not perfect, atleast you can be perfectly honest about your concerns.  Talk it over with that special someone.  

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by vig on Dec 16th, 2004, 1:06pm
Whoever said life was fair?
anyway, are you a good match?  
What IS the rush?
Has he seen the full 'show', not just once, but lots, so he really KNOWS what he's getting into?  Some people are really good at handling this and supporting it.  Some are NOT!

Find out NOW before you have to pay legal fees to straighten it out!

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by BobG on Dec 16th, 2004, 2:00pm

on 12/15/04 at 21:08:37, Donna_D. wrote:
Seems to me that if you have to ask these questions, there may be other doubts in your mind that this one is really THE ONE...

When in doubt...do nothing.  You will never question True Love.


DD

Smart ladies they have in Texas.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Bandette74 on Dec 16th, 2004, 5:39pm

on 12/15/04 at 23:27:04, thebbz wrote:
Unfair is letting the demon in any way dictate what you should or should not do. BB



exactly. you are just you. faults and strengths. your life is your life. live it the best way you can, fully and with minimal regret.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by down_the_tubes on Dec 16th, 2004, 10:58pm
i am sorry but it sounds tome that you are worried about the problem  with your CH.  but, it also sounds to me that you made it the problem.  either you trust in him and yours strength together or you don't.

been there, done that

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Mr. Happy on Dec 16th, 2004, 11:29pm
You're from West Virginia, and you're 23. You should have a bunch of grandkids by now.

What's with the marriage crap?
RJ

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by sappygirl13 on Dec 16th, 2004, 11:52pm
First of all...i just wanna say thanks to everyone for share'n!!    Secondly...i just wanna make it clear that I do not allow CH's to dictate my life (although they often do run it).  I'm not worried about myself here- I'm worried about putting someone so dear to me thru a pretty crappy life sometimes.  I have chronic headaches...so yes he's seen them...i've had them pretty much everyday for the last 3 years.  He's aware of what they do and what's goin on thru them...he's pretty much as understanding as they come.  I guess all in all...i just feel guilty.  I feel as if i could never measure up to bein a good wife.  Smells are the main onset for my headaches...and i'm very sensitive to it.  I tried to cook dinner the other night...and just the smell from the over bein on set it off.  Cleaners kill me...fabric softners, ect.  I hope one day i'll find meds that at least will tame it down for me....until then who knows...i wanna have a good life with him...one not tormented by pain.  Thanks again all!!  Tina

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Mr. Happy on Dec 17th, 2004, 12:10am

on 12/16/04 at 23:52:34, sappygirl13 wrote:
Smells are the main onset for my headaches...and i'm very sensitive to it.  I tried to cook dinner the other night...and just the smell from the oven being on set it off.  Cleaners kill me...fabric softeners, ect.

Oh My God. Don't marry anybody. For Pete's sake. My future Ex is smell sensitive. The _Last_ thing you want to do is marry a man if you're smell sensitive. Face it, men stink. We like spicy foods, garlic, and cheap booze. Bathing before sex isn't even in the top 10. Since kissing don't last, but cooking do......and the oven makes you puke......the judges ain't exactly voting in your favor.
Maybe a nice lesbian fling would help.

West Virginny, eh?
RJ

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by svengali_man on Dec 17th, 2004, 12:17am
Hello all, this is the boy the topic got started about. I have a few things to add myself...

The first thing is, I love this woman with everything that I am. That isn't anything that ever comes into question. The second is, I've been around the HAs constantly. She has the chronic form... so its nearly every day. I tell her every day that the headaches don't define her. I let her know constantly that I love her no matter what. I won't let these things beat us, our bond and love is too strong for that.

If you want to know how I feel about her, you can read my Livejournal entry on it... www.livejournal.com/users/svengali_man

As for why this is such a big deal, you are going to have to ask her. I've made myself plain as can be on this matter. I love you sweetheart... sickness and health... you already know that. I know you don't think its fair... but isn't that for me to decide? Well, I've already made my decision. We'll make it work no matter what, I tell you that all the time.

Another thing you are going to have to get her on board with is the whole webcam honeymoon thing... Doesn't sound bad to me...  ;)

NO RUSH ON KIDS (good call whoever said that) and speaking of good calls... whoever mentioned the not putting out after being married thing... nice catch on that one too :)

Lesbian fling? We'll have to have a webcam for that one too, no?

Thanks to everyone who replied!

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by john_d on Dec 17th, 2004, 12:23am
I foresee many jealous ladies of clusterheadom, nice post bro

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by sappygirl13 on Dec 17th, 2004, 12:29am
he's in the military...he's trained to be clean  ;)  lol

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Mr. Happy on Dec 17th, 2004, 1:10am
Sappy......quit pissing your time away in here, and go nail this guy. For life. You could do a lot worse.

Ask my future Ex,
RJ

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Charlie on Dec 17th, 2004, 2:07am
Not going to give Randy more fuel to add to the flame so:

Athough I have never been married, the closest I ever came was when I lived with my old squeeze for about 4 years. I got my first clusters during this time but it never was a problem. Of course she was a bit of a hypchondriac and wasn't much interested in other people's maladies. She was decent about it though.  

Congrats and all my best.

Charlie

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 17th, 2004, 8:03am

on 12/16/04 at 23:29:03, Mr. Happy wrote:
You're from West Virginia, and you're 23. You should have a bunch of grandkids by now.

What's with the marriage crap?
RJ


Heh heh heh!
 [smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif]

Thx RJ.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 17th, 2004, 2:44pm

on 12/17/04 at 00:17:21, svengali_man wrote:
.. whoever mentioned the not putting out after being married thing... nice catch on that one too :)

I hope you don't think it's a joke!!! Ask anyone that's been married over 5 years.  It's a time-honored fact of life.  2 choices on your wedding day - Get married or become a monk -- same outcome.  Sex after marriage has a half-life like plutonium on steroids. 1 year half-life if you're lucky, rich and like buying expensive diamond jewelery like you see in those DeBeers TV commercials.  Enjoy the memories  ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 17th, 2004, 3:12pm
Tins'a fiance wrote:


Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello all, this is the boy the topic got started about. I have a few things to add myself...

The first thing is, I love this woman with everything that I am. That isn't anything that ever comes into question. The second is, I've been around the HAs constantly. She has the chronic form... so its nearly every day. I tell her every day that the headaches don't define her. I let her know constantly that I love her no matter what. I won't let these things beat us, our bond and love is too strong for that.  

If you want to know how I feel about her, you can read my Livejournal entry on it.. www.livejournal.com/users/svengali_man

As for why this is such a big deal, you are going to have to ask her. I've made myself plain as can be on this matter. I love you sweetheart... sickness and health... you already know that. I know you don't think its fair... but isn't that for me to decide? Well, I've already made my decision. We'll make it work no matter what, I tell you that all the time.


1.  Does he have an older brother??   :-/

2.  Marlin, read this guys post again.  If he keeps this attitude up, he will find himself with a VERY good love life.

 sheesh!!!!!!  

Linda

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 17th, 2004, 3:30pm

on 12/17/04 at 15:12:46, Linda_Howell wrote:
2.  Marlin, read this guys post again.  If he keeps this attitude up, he will find himself with a VERY good love life.

 sheesh!!!!!!  

Linda

Uh huh, sure.  The odds are stacked heavily against it.  He's naive, just getting started.  Expectations eventually meet reality and guess which one comes out on top?  Sad but true.  Oh & BTW, it has little or nothing to do with him.  Some guys just accept it & develop other interests.  My father did.  His interests ranged from women in their 20s to those in their 40s.  Lots and lots of them.  That's not for me either.  I saw where that led him 3 or 4 marriages and emotional trainwrecks along the way.  The funny thing about it is he's 79 and if he didn't have a birth certificate and a mirror I'm certain he could convince himself that he's 30 something.  Still fancies himself a bif time player?  Fascinates me.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by vig on Dec 17th, 2004, 3:43pm
My GP is a wise man and he told me this story:

If you put a bean in a jar for every time you 'do it' before you are married... and take one out for every time you 'do it' after you are married... You will never empty the jar.


Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Slammy on Dec 17th, 2004, 3:45pm
Hmmm... I can think of several reasons NOT to get married.... Clusters not being one of them!   :)



Slammy   8)

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Margi on Dec 17th, 2004, 3:50pm
now, Slammy, is that any way to talk?

how the heck are you anyway?  Missing California yet?

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Tiannia on Dec 17th, 2004, 3:53pm
Well that would not work for me.  Guess there are those of us that really REALLY enjoy doing it.  ;;D

Anyway. Marlin, I think you are a butt.  My husband was cheated on in his first marriage and I know that no matter what he would never do that.  I could care less how much he looks. That is just being alive and human.  But I KNOW that every night he comes home to me.  Granted I di dnot have CH when we got married, but I have many other physical issues and pain (chronic) that he had to endure and experiance and figure out if he still wanted to be in my life.  Now there where many times that I figured he would decide to leave and figured I would make him do it sooner rather then later. I know that there are lots of times that I hurt him badly but he was still there. Eventually, I realized that he always would be .  That is when I knew that I would be with this throughout all my lifetimes.  Marriage itself did not matter as long as I had him.  I am a strong woman who does not need a man to made me whole, but he completes me in a way that I never understood.  He is my breathe and my essence.  So dont assume that just because you have not experienaced that all encompassing love that can withstand everything and anything, does nto mean that others can not.

ok stepping off my soap box.

Take your time and dont rush it. Just give her time to see that you will still be there no matter what.  That is what she needs.  When she realizes that, then she wont be so scared because she will know that you are there by your own choice and she is not trapping you into somethign that you dont want.

Good Luck
-Tia

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 17th, 2004, 4:10pm

on 12/17/04 at 15:53:07, Tiannia wrote:
Anyway. Marlin, I think you are a butt.  My husband was cheated on in his first marriage and I know that no matter what he would never do that.  -Tia

I may be a butt?  But... what does that have to do with extra-marital affairs???  I plainly stated that I had no interest.  I saw how one of those train wrecks work live from a front seat LOL.  Look, I acknowledge there could be exceptions.  I just haven't EVER met a guy who can vouch for it.  And I've known my share of guys - IN THE THOUSANDS.  They may or may not freely share that sentiment with their wives...

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by svengali_man on Dec 17th, 2004, 4:23pm
I can see where you are coming from Marlin... and not knowing me, I would have said the same thing. However, I would like you to know that I am in no way naive about this. I have been in long term, long distance relationships since high school...  some bad, some good. In college, I had a bad one, and I learned a lot from it. I spent the next 3 years looking for the perfect person for me, convinced that nothing like that existed in the real world. In fact, our biggest "discussions" have been about how she and I are both very much realists about relationships... but that leaves us wondering how something like this happened to us...  Something we thought didnt exist "real love, or true love" and then... one day... it happens.

I know it kind of sounds like Im trying to justify this... or that I am trying to show people that I'm more mature than having these "high school" felings kind of show that I am...  well... I guess I am trying to do that. Trust me.. we have not been anything close to naive about this.  It really does exist... take it from a realist turned idealist.  I am that guy that really means what I say...  I wish I could convince you on here, but I suppose you will all just have to se in time, I'm ure we will keep the posts updated with our lives.  Thank you all so much fo you support.

PS I hope you dont take this as an affront to you, Marlin.. I completely respect your point of view... Im just gonna prove you wrong... no big deal :)

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Slammy on Dec 17th, 2004, 4:26pm

on 12/17/04 at 15:50:56, Margi wrote:
now, Slammy, is that any way to talk?

how the heck are you anyway?  Missing California yet?



I can also think of several reasons not to relocate to North Carolina..... and clusters aren't one of them!   :D



Slammy   8)

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 17th, 2004, 4:31pm

on 12/17/04 at 16:23:26, svengali_man wrote:
PS I hope you dont take this as an affront to you, Marlin.. I completely respect your point of view... Im just gonna prove you wrong... no big deal :)

Believe me, my feelings are not hurt.  I admire your spirit!  Make sure you have a full tank of gas when you go out on your honeymoon and I truly wish you the very best of luck.  Prove me wrong.

PS - In case you never paid attention, all marriages start out that way...

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Linda_Howell on Dec 17th, 2004, 4:42pm

Svengalli,   You never answered my question.  Do you have an older brother or an Uncle?   lol

Marlin????   Are you planning to go to the next convention in Texas?

I wouldn't if I were you.

 [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif]


Linda

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 17th, 2004, 5:04pm
Linda honey, Actually... I was originally planning to go to IO in Jan but I won't be able to make it.  So, that leaves open the possibility that I may go to Big D!  Leaning towards it ;;D

I really hope you don't get pissed off at me for being honest.  In fact, if you simply browse through this post alone every single guy expressed an identical sentiment to mine, just not quite as freely.

Now, I will come clean a little.  I do know some guys that get all the sex they want from their wives!  To begin with these guys are almost all so homely it surprises me that they ever got any at all.  I met some of their wives.  Let's say I think if they stopped and moved to another country they would be getting more than enough.  Physical attraction just never made it into those equasions.

The others are more complicated to figure out.  They all seem to have hobbies that consume every ounce of available time -- building kit airplanes, hunting/fishing/camping W/O their wives, auto racing.... You get the picture.  I suppose it just isn't important to them?  But they're clearly in the minority.  

The rest were all more or less like me.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 17th, 2004, 5:32pm

on 12/17/04 at 17:04:27, marlin wrote:
In fact, if you simply browse through this post alone every single guy expressed an identical sentiment to mine, just not quite as freely.

http://psydeshow.org/be2/projects/snunk/image-3d814fda161c1@500x500.jpg,
lol brother... my post re: that topic was a complete joke, intended to get the goat of my sisters!  [smiley=crackup.gif]

i was married way too young, have been married for 18 years, and still get it all the time.   [smiley=smartass.gif]  

that said, i am good at it.  and pretty.  [smiley=winkkiss.gif] pretty pretty pretty.  mayhaps you are just not saddled with such curses.  

/keeping her closet full of shit that says 'prada' and 'gucci' does no harm either

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2004, 5:44pm

on 12/17/04 at 17:32:50, Rock_Lobster wrote:
and pretty.  [smiley=winkkiss.gif] pretty pretty pretty.


Did someone call?

Im so fuckin pretty guys hit on me.....LMMFAO ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 17th, 2004, 5:44pm
Roc, Good for you.  You now occupy a position in obscurity along with the rest of the 0.0002% LMFAO!!!

I don't know whether I'm pretty.  Was a HUGELY successful player back in the late 70s and early 80s. Living in LA CA in those days and it was impossible to swing and miss.  The luster has faded a little since then but somehow I don't think that's been an obstacle...

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Tiannia on Dec 17th, 2004, 5:50pm

on 12/17/04 at 17:44:23, marlin wrote:
Roc, Good for you.  You now occupy a position in obscurity along with the rest of the 0.0002% LMFAO!!!

I don't know whether I'm pretty.  Was a HUGELY successful player back in the late 70s and early 80s. Living in LA CA in those days and it was impossible to swing and miss.  The luster has faded a little since then but somehow I don't think that's been an obstacle...


Why do I get a bad picture of Miami Vice.....

Anyway, Marlin. I refuse to attempt to get you to see anything other then what you have in your blinders anymore. It seems to me that you can justify anything to make yourself right and to prove that others agree with you.  To me that is a rather sad way to see the world around you.  

[smiley=nono.gif]

I'm done for the weekend. May you all be PF.  
-Tia

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 17th, 2004, 5:56pm

Quote:
It's a time-honored fact of life.  2 choices on your wedding day - Get married or become a monk -- same outcome.  Sex after marriage has a half-life like plutonium on steroids. 1 year half-life if you're lucky, rich and like buying expensive diamond jewelery like you see in those DeBeers TV commercials.  Enjoy the memories




You are so full of shit, marlin. I don't know how many times we've been over this... some of us have excellent sex lifes, even after many years together. The problem that YOU have may have more to do with you than you think. I try to ignore the stuff that you post about this issue, and I want you to know that, as a fellow clusterhead, you should always feel comfortable here. But frankly, your need to include sexual content in 75% of what you post is really starting to creep me out. There's a place for everything, man. Serious questions about love, commitment and CH should be dealt with in a serious way. Talking about videocams on the honeymoon would be better placed on a different kind of post. Just my  [smiley=twocents.gif]

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2004, 6:35pm
:o :o :o :o

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 17th, 2004, 6:42pm

on 12/17/04 at 17:44:18, Jonny wrote:
Did someone call?

Im so fuckin pretty guys hit on me.....LMMFAO ;;D


lololol!!!

Heya baby... what's your sign?

http://www.instant-art.com/catalog-signsCDv2/general/Images/t0000000746.jpg

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 17th, 2004, 6:54pm
OOOOOOO nan, you're sensitive today...  Got PMS?  

The webcam remark was intended as a joke.  The rest is too ..to  some extent... and otherwise isn't.

But, believe me... This is a heckovalot more prevalent issue than you seem to think.  You need to do a little web searching for surveys.  Women always seem to be on 2 sides of this one.  Go ahead and prove me wrong.  Post a survey and for every one you post I'll post 10.

Of course I realize relationships are far more complex that I am suggesting on this board. I'm not quite that shallow ;) My feeling is if they weren't made more complex than they need to be, getting along better would be a lot simpler. There would be more smiling and less scowls AND MORE SEX. It's a chicken and egg thingy.  This goes south, then that then round and round she goes...

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by john_d on Dec 17th, 2004, 7:22pm

on 12/17/04 at 17:32:50, Rock_Lobster wrote:
http://psydeshow.org/be2/projects/snunk/image-3d814fda161c1@500x500.jpg,


hey, is that the mutual of omaha wild kingdom dude?  I can still here his voice perfectly.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 17th, 2004, 7:22pm

Quote:
Go ahead and prove me wrong.


I'm not trying to prove anything, dude. I'm just sick of your constant sexual references. It's like I'm being flashed when I read most of your stuff. It's gettin' just plain creepy, uncle perv. Even on a very serious post like what's happening with unsolved right now. This will be last post on this thread from me, I'm not gonna hijack it. Oh and for the  extremely tired and old PMS reference... I suggest that when you go to Dallas, you avoid me...I'm really hoping to be PMS-ing so I can show you what PMS is really about. >:(

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2004, 9:23pm

on 12/17/04 at 19:22:43, nani wrote:
It's like I'm being flashed  


Nah, I got that covered......LMMFAO ;;D

Aint I pretty?.....LMAO!!!

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d629b3127cce8c00000cc0c50000001610

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Mr. Happy on Dec 17th, 2004, 9:48pm

on 12/17/04 at 21:23:06, Jonny wrote:
Aint I pretty?

http://mushys.com/pix/jonny.jpeg

How can you nitwits take your arguements seriously, when you got a monkey boy like this on Network TV?
This is supposed to be a thread about young lust and beans; yet local miscreants drag it thru every gutter available.
You people are driving me crazy. All of you.

Back to West Virginny,
RJ

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 17th, 2004, 9:56pm
Yep JD... Marlin Perkins... Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom... that is what pops into my head when bro' Marlin posts.  Just a mental issue of mine... I know.

Now I gotta get to work p-chopping my brother's pic.   [smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif]

 


Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 17th, 2004, 9:57pm
Oooo Randy... well placed!  Just starting up now.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 17th, 2004, 10:01pm
Thanks for sharing Jonny...should I call you cousin perv? ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 17th, 2004, 10:26pm
Eat your heart out Hap....you never did or will look this good you goat fucker ;;D

Becareful, Wrokk

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 17th, 2004, 10:32pm
'careful' is my middle name.
'peckerhead' is my first.

http://www.geocities.com/amish_elite/slim2.jpg

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by john_d on Dec 17th, 2004, 10:34pm
oh shit, lmfao [smiley=crackup.gif]

remind me never to post my picture in a lobster thread  

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 17th, 2004, 10:37pm
My apologies sappygirl and svengali man, it appears I hijacked your thread afterall... :(

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Mr. Happy on Dec 17th, 2004, 10:48pm
Damn, Wrok.....you take art to a new Dependable level. Impressive.


on 12/17/04 at 22:26:29, Jonny wrote:
you never did or will look this good you goat fucker


Chesus. You fuck One Goat...........
RJ

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 17th, 2004, 11:19pm
[smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by sappygirl13 on Dec 18th, 2004, 12:04am
sigh...we were both all excited to come home and see that my post had gained even more popularity...lol.  but we see that it's taken a completely different toll now.  don't feel bad nani...it was probably time for the topic to die anyways!!  i didn't think it would've caused that much of an uproar in the first place....although we enjoyed and am thankful for everyone's perspectives!! ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Gator on Dec 18th, 2004, 12:53am
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc5.jpg

Modified to add:  Don't feel bad.  All you can do is start a thread.  After that, they take on a life of their own.

As to your question, the only two opinions that matter are yours and his.  Listen to your heads and follow your hearts.


Gator

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 18th, 2004, 6:38am
LMMFAO...Wrokk ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by becky8 on Dec 18th, 2004, 7:35am
I really wanted to stay foused on the subject here but again I sat here cracking from Jonny and pals!!!! Man, you guys are sick puppies!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] I love it!

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 18th, 2004, 11:08am
nan, One word - MIDOL. .. Can't really say whether it works.  Worth a try though.  sheesh.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 18th, 2004, 11:10am
marl, one word, LOBOTOMY. You're only using the other head to think anyway.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Karla on Dec 18th, 2004, 11:45am
My husband and three teenagers have picked up all the slack.  Cooking, cleaning, bills, everything.  All I have to do is take care of me.  Now that I am healthy and my children are older I have heard the effects of my sickness on their childhood and life.  However, they say they love me and wouldn't/couldn't have done it any differently. Modified to add My husband has been my best supporter when I go into ER or drs office or to friends etc.  I would be lost without him. 

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 18th, 2004, 12:20pm

on 12/18/04 at 11:10:34, nani wrote:
marl, one word, LOBOTOMY. You're only using the other head to think anyway.

You may be right?  Given a choice if I had to pick which brain I would keep, well... it's a no-brainer, and it would end up that way ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by becky8 on Dec 18th, 2004, 12:30pm
Merry Christmas FRIENDS!!!! ;) ;)

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by john_d on Dec 18th, 2004, 12:31pm

on 12/18/04 at 12:20:08, marlin wrote:
You may be right?  Given a choice if I had to pick which brain I would keep, well... it's a no-brainer, and it would end up that way ;;D


Dude, the reason you piss off women here so much is not because you are 'offensive', it's because all of your opinions satellite one thing- women are nothing more than something to fuck.   Just think about it.  


Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:19pm

on 12/18/04 at 12:31:23, john_d wrote:
Dude, the reason you piss off women here so much is not because you are 'offensive', it's because all of your opinions satellite one thing- women are nothing more than something to fuck.   Just think about it.  

blowme

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by john_d on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:30pm

no thanks marlin, forget I said anything.  But I would add if I am wrong about your opinions, please prove me wrong by showing it at least once and a great while.  That's all.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:35pm
Well lookie here

This thread started out serious, went to funny and is now getting out of hand.

Before anyone says something they may regret why dont you folks just drop it and go back to neutral corners.

Remember one thing....CH is why we are here!!

Dont make me start posting naked pics of myself ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by nani on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:40pm
OK....group hug    [smiley=hug.gif]  don't get too close though, marlin.  ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:46pm
No problem here.  

I don't get personal on the net because it's just plain DUMB.  I like to horse around though.  So, don't insult me and everything's fine.  And I'm sharp enough to see the difference between a HELPME thread and a silly one.  Been there w/ CHs a bunch of times.

Oh, the blowme comment wasn't literal john. 8)  That's a place I don't intend on visiting... if you get my drift.

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:55pm
Thanks guys, you make my job as King a little easier ;;D

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by marlin on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:55pm
Almost forgot (SMOOOOOOOOOOOCH)  [smiley=hug.gif]

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by john_d on Dec 18th, 2004, 1:56pm

on 12/18/04 at 13:35:11, Jonny wrote:
Well lookie here
Dont make me start posting naked pics of myself ;;D


Jonny you don't even want to think about what Wrock will do with that LMAO  ;;D

Marlin,  I was not being personal.  It was a bit of a call out but not an insult.  I apologize for the appearance of a slam.  Alot of times you are pretty funny, but you sometimes you take it too far and that's why I posted at this juncture.  No problem here either.

John  



   

Title: Re: Is it fair to get married!?!
Post by Jonny on Dec 18th, 2004, 2:00pm

on 12/18/04 at 13:56:58, john_d wrote:
Jonny you don't even want to think about what Wrock will do with that LMAO  ;;D


Wrokk said he would leave my pics alone if I sent him a blank check....I did ;;D



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