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Title: nitroglycerin Post by eddie on Dec 12th, 2004, 3:14pm if nitroglycerin 100% sure to set CH off . could this be used to test for CH? |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Svenn on Dec 12th, 2004, 3:18pm Nitro is 1 of the first things the docs use when they diagnose cluster.over 95%reaction Svenn |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by eddie on Dec 12th, 2004, 3:27pm my neuro didnt ? i just was curious, even if your chronic or eposidic will it trigger one? thanks eddie |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Svenn on Dec 12th, 2004, 3:29pm this is the fun part being a clusterhead.All i can say try it and see if you get hit. Svenn |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by BobG on Dec 12th, 2004, 3:36pm on 12/12/04 at 15:27:05, eddie wrote:
I agree with what Svenn said. Your Neuro didn't? Your Neuro has some studying to do. Chronic or episodic? My opinion is, if you are in a cycle it will trigger an attack. If you are not in a cycle it may or may not. Have to ask……..why do you ask? Does your Neuro want to hear you scream? |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by eddie on Dec 12th, 2004, 3:46pm i just was curious, yes he has studing to do. i have had all the info printed that i could show him. im chronic and no i dont want to cause one for myself. i seem to get hit everyday almost beside shadows. thanks eddie |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by totka2 on Dec 12th, 2004, 4:21pm I would kill my doc if he tried it on me.[smiley=bigguns.gif] |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Bandette74 on Dec 12th, 2004, 4:31pm on 12/12/04 at 16:21:11, totka2 wrote:
no sh*t!!!! [smiley=hammer.gif] how. does. this. feel. doc? me. hammering. on. your. head. oh. it. hurts. well. let. me. write. down. that. hammering. on. head. causes. severe. pain. |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Redd715 on Dec 12th, 2004, 4:32pm I agree with totka.....well I should say if the GP had tried that I'd have prolly taken a nice firm hold of his gnads and carry them with me as I paced the clinic till the hit was over. >:( |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Jonny on Dec 12th, 2004, 7:34pm It would seperate the CH'ers from the meegrainers now wouldndt it....or would it? |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Sean_C on Dec 12th, 2004, 7:40pm I didn't know that, guess I'm fucked if I get a heart condition. I heard you get a headache when you pop a nitro regardless if your a clusterhead, but would it bring you to an early cycle? Sean............................... |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by eddie on Dec 12th, 2004, 8:33pm everywhere i have read there is no test for CH. sounds like a test to confirm CH? eddie |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Sean_C on Dec 12th, 2004, 8:37pm I'm not takin no test, I know what I got and he's sleepin', just the way I like him ;;D ;;D Sean........................... |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by kissmyglass on Dec 12th, 2004, 8:40pm I think Cat had a nitro induced cluster. supposed to be a real mother fucker those nitro induced ones. Glad my neuro didn't try it.... Kev |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Sean_C on Dec 12th, 2004, 8:50pm Why would you want to make yourself have one is beyond me. If my nuero ever said take this I wanna see you have a cluster I'd run as fast as I could in the opposite direction[smiley=laugh.gif] Sean....................................... |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Cerberus on Dec 12th, 2004, 9:23pm The only "test" I ever got aside from the numerous MRI's and CT's was to see if O2 would abort it.... Of course that was not anywhere near a 100% chance of working...I was just lucky it did. As far a Nitro goes...YES it does trigger, and effectively at that. I found that out by shooting in a trap league the year after my diagnosis. My shotgun ejects the shells on the right side, and I am a left handed shooter...so every freshly spent nitro charged shell ejects right across my nose...yeah, nice. Anyway...within an hour my head started up and so began the cycle of Fall 2002. Ramon |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by catlind on Dec 12th, 2004, 9:51pm on 12/12/04 at 20:40:39, kissmyglass wrote:
Yup I did. It wasn't to test for clusters though I was admitted to the hospital for cardiac reasons - myocardial ischemia was showing on the ECG - Despite me telling them NOT NO FUCKING WAY give me nitro, they put me on a nitro drip. Yup it triggered one mother fucker CH attack. Interesting is the fact that my vitals were already in a danger zone with the cardiac issues - the attack sent my vitals into the dead zone. The entire ER staff started to panic. When I was screaming at the nurse to give me O2 at 15lpms and get me a non rebreather mask (I don't think I was too coherent - Clark had to tell them what I was saying) the nurse had the balls to say "but your O2 saturation is at 98%" - I just started going into beserk mode - Clark forcefully explained it wasn't for my heart, it was for my cluster attack. BTW, O2 doesn't work very well on a nitro induced attack! In fact there was not a damn thing I could do about it. They turned the drip off and then in the ambulance over to the main hospital the alarms started going off and the ambulance attendant reached for the nitro drip. I very calmly and very clearly explained that if he touched that drip I would get up, stretcher and all, and throw his bloody and beaten body out the back doors of the ambulance. I now have a medic alert card, and nitro is listed as an allergy in my records. It did more to nearly kill me than the original cardiac condition. When I got to the hospital and got hit again, they wouldn't give me anything, so I reached into my purse and got out my trex and syringe. They lunged at me to try and stop me, I told them if they valued their lives they wouldn't come any closer. They kept saying "You can't do that" I looked at them and said "watch me" and stuck myself hehe. Don't piss off a clusterhead that has been triggered by nitro ;) Cat |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Ueli on Dec 12th, 2004, 9:56pm After ruling out other diseases (with the help of MRI and such), the IHS criteria for cluster headaches are clear enough for a neuro who has done his homework. If a doctor (or some fucking jerk from an insurance company) needs a proof for the diagnosis by inducing an attack with nitroglycerine, and his ball should be crushed for an hour, every day for a year. Just MHO Ueli [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Bandette74 on Dec 12th, 2004, 10:10pm on 12/12/04 at 21:56:39, Ueli wrote:
hear hear!!! |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by K-9 on Dec 12th, 2004, 10:23pm A doctor at Diamond HA clinic wanted to induce me with Nitro for "educational" purposes for a couple of interns he had in the office that day. That's one education they did NOT want, but they don't know that. I said no, so everyone lived to tell about it. The end. |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by nani on Dec 12th, 2004, 11:18pm I had a heart attack scare before I had my CH diagnosis and while I was episodic and out of cycle. It did not trigger a CH at that time. |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Rock_Lobster on Dec 12th, 2004, 11:35pm I was just going to ask that nani. Will nitro trigger a CH when you are solidly outside of your episode? |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by floridian on Dec 13th, 2004, 1:23pm on 12/12/04 at 19:34:12, Jonny wrote:
Nope. Nitroglycerin can also provoke migraines in migraneurs. Nitro IS NOT a reliable test for cluster headaches per se. It might give the doctor an opportunity to witness a cluster, and if they knew what they were seeing they would distinguish it from a migraine. But if you are in the 20% that aren't triggered by nitro, your doctor wouldn't see anything. Quote:
Easy. For the doctor. I think nitroG is like alcohol and other triggers - most episodics are sensitive only when in cycle. |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Jonny on Dec 13th, 2004, 4:29pm Thanks for clearing that up, Flo Dude! .......................................jonny |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by Sean_C on Dec 13th, 2004, 6:13pm The Flo-dude does come up with some great shit doesn't he. Thanks for the info ;;D Sean.................................. |
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Title: Re: nitroglycerin Post by eddie on Dec 13th, 2004, 6:15pm thanks for the info eddie ;) |
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