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(Message started by: Woobie on Dec 7th, 2004, 10:58am)

Title: Of MSG.............(Fixed now........)
Post by Woobie on Dec 7th, 2004, 10:58am
Another message board that I belong to ..... there was a thread about MSG.  

I know that MSG will trigger a migraine in me EVERY time... without fail...
And I know that SOME of you have said that MSG triggers a CH for you.....

But - ive copied someone's post - (hope that's legal .. LOL) because of the OTHER information it contains too.

Title: Re: Of MSG.............
Post by thomas on Dec 7th, 2004, 11:05am
Now I know why I'm so fat.  ;;D :o

Title: Re: Of MSG.............
Post by Gena on Dec 7th, 2004, 11:13am

on 12/07/04 at 11:05:31, thomas wrote:
Now I know why I'm so fat.  ;;D :o


Whatever ::)

Title: Re: Of MSG.............
Post by Woobie on Dec 7th, 2004, 11:20am
hold on - it wont let me post the whole thing
i'll try again when i get home

HOLD ON.........LOL

Title: Re: Of MSG.............
Post by catlind on Dec 7th, 2004, 3:41pm
Woobs asked me to post this for her:
Originally posted by twitchy
I am pulling this from my research folder and don't have a link to this article and the author was listed as unknown, but I have looked into the following and found the information to be accurate. A search on google with the text should pull it up on a couple of sites though...

Slow Poisoning MSG (Monosodium Glutamate.) hides behind 25 or more names, such as "Natural Flavoring" or "Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein"...
In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice. and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies. No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures
That would explain the diabetes epidemic in industrialized countries, also goes a long way to explaining the obesity problems as well. If additives to food to make them addictive sounds far fetched to you, then ask yourself why they would put MSG in our food to begin with considering that...

So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or a vitamin? Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, (www.spofamerica.com), he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body. Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at: http://www.msgfacts.com/facts/msgfact12.html explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to....The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than
But they wouldn't put something in our food that was bad for us would they?

Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance! Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the prepackaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.

The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount. How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these?
The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002 Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug.
Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar. .
Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct.

Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the medical research community and food "manufaturers" have known MSG's side effects for decades! Many more studies mentioned in John Erb's book link MSG to Diabetes, Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer's.

If they thought you would buy more potato chips, you're damn right they would!! But why doesn't somebody sue their pants off? Hey that's a good question, let's see...

George W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the "Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act" also known as the "Cheeseburger Bill", this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods.

Read about it for yourself at:
http://www.yahoo.com.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/2004 0311/ap_on_go_co/obesity_lawsuits_4

The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food. Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him "Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn't touch the stuff!" But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.

The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin....The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?

Because the Food industry is a major lobby, that's why.
Check this out...

Go to the National Library of Medicine, at www.pubmed.com  Type in the
words "MSG Obese" and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

Title: Re: Of MSG.............
Post by cootie on Dec 7th, 2004, 4:01pm
It gives me the SHAKES really bad.......I have the worse problem with salad bars.......got so bad one time I felt faint and had the jitter shakes bad rite after I ate at this buffett salad bar......everyone told me it's cuz I ate rabbit food and didn't eat enuff REAL food....oh yeah rite.....I ate more then jus lettice for petes sake (pudding, veggies,beets,pickles,eggs croutons)......everytime I ate a salad at that bar I got the same thing and found out what it was. Scarey stuff.......I think we are killin ourselves daily with additives......mostly if ya eat certain ones in excess not knowing there there. What we eat WILL kill us Pam

I've ruin'd alot of nites goin out to eat first......migraine or the shakes crap feelin weak for a while and light headed (MSG) ......some resturants use meat tendorizors which is POISON to me and alot of people and some don't realize it......so I wrote steak off my list of edibles before a nice nite out too. Findin out alot of cann'd foods are bad too.....like soups and can'd spahgetti ect. I will swell up like a balloon (trust me I mean so bad clothes won't fit and can't get rings on and face swells)
and be totally miserable for a few days and fineally put TWO AND TWO together. Salt is one factor and MSG....a can of soup has over 700 mg's of salt per servering......one can is times 2 or so. It all adds up with all this crap. Noticed when I have soup for lunch I feel jittery a few hours later as if I hadn't eaten all day. Should go back to stalkin rabbits and pickin berries for dinner.

Title: Re: Of MSG.............
Post by Woobie on Dec 7th, 2004, 4:44pm
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/    ---- Check it.

PS _ HUGE thank you to CAT for posting this for me..

apparently - i cant post anything over 3 lines. BYE  ;;D

Title: Re: Of MSG.............(Fixed now........)
Post by eyes_afire on Dec 7th, 2004, 6:55pm
I don't know if I buy into all the MSG alarmism, but for the record, here's a list (probably partial) of some of the sources of MSG that I've posted before:

For a few clusterheads, MSG may aggravate their CH situation.  If you're really interested in avoiding MSG, you'll have to closely read food labels.  

These things contain (or are) MSG:

glutamate
glutamic acid
gelatin
monosodium glutamate
calcium caseinate
textured protein
monopotassium glutamate
sodium caseinate
yeast nutrient
yeast extract
yeast food
autolyzed yeast
hydrolyzed protein
hydrolyzed corn gluten

These things often contain MSG:

textured protein
carrageenan
vegetable gum
seasonings
spices
flavorings
natural flavorings
chicken flavoring
beef flavoring
pork flavoring
smoke flavoring
bouillon
broth
stock
barley malt
malt extract
malt flavoring
whey protein
whey protein isolate
whey protein concentrate
soy protein
soy protein isolate
soy protein concentrate
soy sauce
soy extract

Also, MSG can be a natural vegetable by-product.  For example, as a tomato ripens, the level of glutamate rises.  Glutamate can also be the by-product of a fermentation process such as with aged cheese.  The body processes artificial MSG and natural glutamates in the same way.

--- Steve

Title: Re: Of MSG.............(Fixed now........)
Post by floridian on Dec 8th, 2004, 9:00am
No doubt that some people are sensitive to MSG.  It has been studied for migraine and is a factor there;  MSG probably has a similar effect for some clusterheads ... lots of people report it as a trigger.  A CH diary can sometimes reveal patterns and help people avoid a few hits.



Quote:
Cephalalgia. 1993 Apr;13(2):89-93.      

   Neuroexcitatory amino acid levels in plasma and cerebrospinal fluid during migraine attacks.

   Martinez F, Castillo J, Rodriguez JR, Leira R, Noya M. Department of Neurology, Hospital General de Galicia-Clinico Universitario, Santiago de Compostela, Spain.

   A current hypothesis for migraine suggests that neuroexcitatory amino acids may participate in the triggering of attacks. To investigate this possibility we measured glutamic and aspartic acid level in plasma and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) of patients with common and classic migraine during attacks, making comparisons with controls suffering stress. Plasma levels of amino acids in migraine patients were lower than in controls. CSF concentrations of glutamic acid were higher in migraineurs than in controls. Our results suggest an excess of neuroexcitatory amino acids in the CNS of migraine patients during attacks, possibly favoring a state of neuronal hyperexcitability.



Quote:
Cephalalgia. 2004 Sep;24(9):735-9.

   Cerebrospinal fluid glutamate levels in chronic migraine.

   Peres MF, Zukerman E, Senne Soares CA, Alonso EO, Santos BF, Faulhaber MH.  Hospital Israelita Albert Einstein, Instituto de Ensino e Pesquisa, Sao Paulo, Brazil.

   Both preclinical and clinical data link glutamate to the migraine pathophisiology. Altered plasma, platelets and cerebrospinal (CSF) glutamate levels have been reported in migraine patients.  ...   Headache intensity correlate with glutamate levels in chronic migraine patients



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