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(Message started by: john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 9:45am)
Title: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 9:45am
Confessions of a habitual consumer.

I am about to go buy one of these, the urge to buy this new car is like a snowball rolling down a hill, it gets bigger every moment.  Right now I have no car payments, which is comfortable and very nice, but that is about to change and at this point I do not think I can stop it.  Help!  No, don't help, I want it.  

2005 Acura TL (http://www.acura.com/models/model_index.asp?module=tl)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by vig on Nov 14th, 2004, 9:46am
VROOOOMMM!
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Renee on Nov 14th, 2004, 9:55am
Interest rates are only going to go up!  There are some pretty good deals out there right now!

Did this help?  ;)

Live like you were Dyin'
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by BobG on Nov 14th, 2004, 10:29am
Go for it John. You’ll love that car.

Last week I went looking at new cars. At the Lexus dealer I was told that to buy the car I was looking at I’d have to sign a letter to the Homeland Security Department stating my finance money was not coming from a terrorist group. Do terrorist groups buy $62,000 cars?

The next day I was looking at the Mercedes Benz cars and I ask about the Homeland statement. No, I was told, not for buying a Mercedes.

A month ago I bought another house a few blocks from myself. Among the paperwork  there was one from the Homeland Security Department that we had to sign stating the money for the mortgage did not come from a terrorist organization. Anybody know how many terrorists are buying houses in Henderson, Nevada? Just wondering.

Hmmm…. If I buy Lexus the money goes to Japan and must be declared free of terrorism.

If I finance my new house with American money and it stays in America it must be declared free of terrorist interests.

But, if I buy the Mercedes the money goes to Germany and there is no statement to sign.

Is there something wrong with this picture?
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Pegase on Nov 14th, 2004, 10:34am
Wow John... awesome car... the look is incredible and kinda futurist... really neat car ;) If you can afford it go ahead my friend... please yourself ;)

Remember though... cars are usually not a good place to put your money in... 30% lost of value as soon as you buy it ;)

take care bro... have fun... You know what you should do today... Go ahead and go try it... 8)

Phil
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by unsolved1 on Nov 14th, 2004, 10:40am
All this talk about buying has made me thirsty.

You go buy the car and i'll go buy a Coke.  ;)

Unsolved
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 10:49am

on 11/14/04 at 10:34:22, Pegase wrote:
Remember though... cars are usually not a good place to put your money in... 30% lost of value as soon as you buy it ;)


you are right of course, a car is a liability.....an awesome, extremely-gratifying liability

argghhh, must not buy car, must not buy car, must buy car

I am buying this car, it's mine  8)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Melissa on Nov 14th, 2004, 11:09am
I have always wondered what it'd be like to buy a brand spanking new car.  The closest I've come is the car we just bought about 2 months ago.  It's a 2000.

Anyway, let me know what it feels like...

Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 11:24am
Have you ever gotten high?  it's the familiar double-sided coin of ectacy and disappointment.   We all know that well, don't we?

sunday-morning philosophitizer John
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Rock_Lobster on Nov 14th, 2004, 11:24am
Awesome ride.  That thing is sharp.  

Phil nailed it though... that 30% year 1 depreciation keeps me away from the lots.  

Stalking ebay for 2-3 months until the right one comes up can be fun.  ie...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=5333&item=2498286488&rd=1

We bought my wifes late-90's JGC on eBay after checking a few times a week for 2 months.  Found it about an hour away... scalped it for about 70% of wholesale.   ;;D

That said, I admittedly hoard my money.  You would all laugh in my face if you knew what my primary driver is.   ;;D

Good luck whatever way you go... you know what you are doing!

/debt free since 33
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Ronny on Nov 14th, 2004, 11:42am
Hi,

That model is known over here as a Honda Accord, Prime quality, never any problems wit it, Go for it.

    ronny.
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 12:16pm

on 11/14/04 at 11:42:48, Ronny wrote:
Hi,

That model is known over here as a Honda Accord, Prime quality, never any problems wit it, Go for it.

    ronny.


Actually it's not.  It's easy to confuse them because they look alot alike in a photo; but the smaller, cheaper Acura TSX is the one based on the European Accord.  The Acura TL model has the frame of the larger US Accord.  But it has a more powerful engine, a much better suspension, a sportier body and of course alot more goodies.   As you can see I have been dwelling on this a while  ;)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Ronny on Nov 14th, 2004, 12:44pm
Dang, you're right. it looks very similar indeed.

I checked it, the American is 5 inches longer.
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 12:47pm
i've driven the roads of europe  ;),  it's best if your cars are a little smaller I think  ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jonny on Nov 14th, 2004, 12:48pm

on 11/14/04 at 12:44:57, Ronny wrote:
I checked it, the American is 5 inches longer.


Thank you ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 12:48pm

on 11/14/04 at 12:48:11, Jonny wrote:
Thank you ;;D


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jonny on Nov 14th, 2004, 12:57pm

on 11/14/04 at 12:48:48, john_d wrote:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!


What gets me is that he hasent even seen the picture and he knows....LOL ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Ronny on Nov 14th, 2004, 1:01pm
Ok, Prove it...

Put the evidence on the table.

:-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by BobG on Nov 14th, 2004, 1:06pm
In America everything is (at least) 5 inches longer. :o
Except in Texas. Then it's 10 inches.  ::)

John, don't listen to the cheapskates. Buy what YOU want. Buy the absolute best that you can afford. If you settle for less you will just be pissed off and hate it until the day you can get rid of it.

;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 1:06pm
thanks Bob, I think I shall  8)

I predict a photo will appear in this thread, thanks Ronny.   :-/      ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Nov 14th, 2004, 1:08pm
Good Lord - don't dare him!  Have you not seen some of his photos posted.  The man has no shame! ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by 3dogmom on Nov 14th, 2004, 1:10pm
Getting back to this terrorist thing - if you were in fact financed by a terrorist group, what are the chances you'd admit that in writing?  Is this where our tax dollars are going?
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by BobG on Nov 14th, 2004, 1:11pm
Don’t worry Grandma. He can take the picture but an over active imagination doesn’t show up on film.

[smiley=laugh.gif] :o ;;D  ::)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by alleyoop on Nov 14th, 2004, 1:49pm
Hey John,

You'd may as well go shopping. The football game isn't worth watching.

1st quarter score:

Falcons 17
Bucs       0

................alley ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by LeLimey on Nov 14th, 2004, 2:18pm

on 11/14/04 at 13:10:03, 3dogmom wrote:
Getting back to this terrorist thing - if you were in fact financed by a terrorist group, what are the chances you'd admit that in writing?  Is this where our tax dollars are going?


I work within the banking industry and all the laws relating to money laundering have recnetly changed owing to (largely) terrorist activity. You would be amazed at some of the crap people do to "clean" money and buying cars and property is one of them. They can buy a car for $20, 000 dirty money, sell it on for $18,000 for arguments sake and that is then "clean" money from a legitimate source. The company I work for is actually an American one and the laws have changed over there too. Now I have to report all suspect activity and get it NCIS checked, if I don't and it is then investigated and found to be dodgy I personally can be prosecuted not the company so with the onus on ME I'm going to make damn sure I find out where your payments are coming from!
Just another thing to hate Osama Bin Laden for.. as if I didn't have enough work already!!!!
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jimmy_B on Nov 14th, 2004, 2:44pm
I'm sorry John...what was the question? I couldn't hear you... I was busy counting change, so I could eat tonight . ;;D

Go ahead, throw away the GNP of most 3rd. World Countries on a ride. Just remember that "Oh, what a feeling" only lasts until the first car payment.

Now if you'll excuse me...I'm getting into my 1991 Toyota Camry with my 5 quarters to get some Mac n Cheese. Thank the Lord, I'm eating, tonight  ;;D

Jimmy ;)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 14th, 2004, 2:49pm
awwwwwwww, give me the guilties why don' ya?  lol  ;;D

I have been there my friend, right now I am not, but maybe I will be there again, who knows?    

don't knock mac n cheese though, that's some good shit  
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by LeLimey on Nov 14th, 2004, 2:53pm
You go out there and get it!! You have earned it!!!
(Pssst.. I expect you to encourage me when I'm justifying buying an Audi TT next year 'kay?!!)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jimmy_B on Nov 14th, 2004, 3:35pm

on 11/14/04 at 14:49:05, john_d wrote:
awwwwwwww, give me the guilties why don' ya?  lol  ;;D

I have been there my friend, right now I am not, but maybe I will be there again, who knows?    

don't knock mac n cheese though, that's some good shit  



Enjoy the Ride...& don't forget to give us some pics when you get it.

Jimmy
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by cschick on Nov 14th, 2004, 3:53pm
very sweet ride!  Makes my Blazer look like a piece o' crap!  Enjoy it if you can afford it!  I am saving for a house right now.  Can't wait to own my own home!
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 15th, 2004, 10:56am
John, I consider you a friend, so allow me to offer you some friendly advice: Sit back, take a nice deep breath, (maybe down a few shots of scotch), and really consider what you are about to do. Next, make a trip over to your local Jeep dealership and browse around. Look at how handsome the Jeep Wranglers are. The classic, rugged good looks, the option of driving with the top down, or even the windshield down, and the ability to go anywhere, even when there's no pavement! In buying a Jeep Wrangler, you will be joining the ranks of a long, time-tested brotherhood of Jeepers, and you will even be able to participate in the Jeep Wave. (When encountering another Jeep Wrangler passing in the opposite direction, it is customary to wave to each other). With a Jeep Wrangler, you can customize it, lift it, accessorize it, mount a winch on the front, get bigger tires, and do a million other things. Last, but not least, a new Jeep Wrangler can be had for around $24,000.

What other vehicle says, "Fun, Utility, Rugged Good Looks, or Classic Design," like a Jeep?

Your Friend,
[O|||||O]
 Frank
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Rock_Lobster on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:30am
One thing can be said for Jeeps (normal Jeeps... not JGCs or JCs or JLs)...

They do hold their value in the latter years.  
Whereas any sedan will depriciate to $500 regardless of condition, a Jeep seems to bottom out in the $5k-$8k range if it is well maintained.  
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:38am
A real Jeep is one that looks good with a thick coat of mud. Any other vehicle has to be waxed and polished and washed to make it look good. Jeeps are happiest when they are allowed to do the equivalent of growing their hair long and getting tattoos. (i.e. wearing mud, dirt, dust, and grime)

All of these new sedans are nothing but plastic. Go with something that will last! :)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 15th, 2004, 1:21pm
Jeeps are awesome, but I don't think it would too comfortable for my hour (1/2 hour each way) daily commute.   Someone I looked up to as a kid had a CJ7 and he would take me mud-bogging with it, loads of fun.  ;)    
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Racer1_NC on Nov 15th, 2004, 1:29pm
BMW 330i with the sport/premium packages........Acura who?  ;;D

Bill
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 15th, 2004, 1:47pm
Aw well... I tried...  ;;D 8)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Ronny on Nov 15th, 2004, 2:46pm

on 11/15/04 at 13:29:59, Racer1_NC wrote:
BMW 330i with the sport/premium packages........Acura who?  ;;D

Bill


Like this one?
http://users.skynet.be/fa455588/images/62.jpg
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Donna_D. on Nov 15th, 2004, 3:29pm

on 11/14/04 at 10:29:20, BobG wrote:
Go for it John. You’ll love that car.

Last week I went looking at new cars. At the Lexus dealer I was told that to buy the car I was looking at I’d have to sign a letter to the Homeland Security Department stating my finance money was not coming from a terrorist group. Do terrorist groups buy $62,000 cars?

The next day I was looking at the Mercedes Benz cars and I ask about the Homeland statement. No, I was told, not for buying a Mercedes.

A month ago I bought another house a few blocks from myself. Among the paperwork  there was one from the Homeland Security Department that we had to sign stating the money for the mortgage did not come from a terrorist organization. Anybody know how many terrorists are buying houses in Henderson, Nevada? Just wondering.

Hmmm…. If I buy Lexus the money goes to Japan and must be declared free of terrorism.

If I finance my new house with American money and it stays in America it must be declared free of terrorist interests.

But, if I buy the Mercedes the money goes to Germany and there is no statement to sign.

Is there something wrong with this picture?



Can I just call you (sugar) Daddy?


;)

DD
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by BobG on Nov 16th, 2004, 4:28am

Quote:
Can I just call you (sugar) Daddy?


You sure can.  ;;D

But, I have to warn you.............
my message only sounds good. We did not buy the Mercedes or the Lexus. For the price of one of those cars we can get 2 Toyota Sequois or 2 Dodge Hemi Magnums. Or one or each. We will probably settle for none. We really don't "need" a new car.

And most important is the fact that right now I have only $3.02 in my pocket. Can't even affort a Happy Meal.

Living payday to payday sucks. But it would be a lot nicer to do it in a new Jag.
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Donna_D. on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:03am

on 11/16/04 at 04:28:43, BobG wrote:
Can't even affort a Happy Meal.


No Happy Meal...No Deal....


;)


DD
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Racer1_NC on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:04am
I was thinking more like this.........and no, it's not mine.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39975
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Melissa on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:15am
Happy Meals are only a $1.99 + tax!  :D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:16am
Those are sweet, and I actually thought about it.  But a friend and co-worker of mine already has one.  If I got one like his  he would be rubbing it in my face until the day I die.  ;;D

BTW, that chrome Beamer is horrendous,  Should be the center attraction on a show called 'what stupid people do to expensive cars'
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Melissa on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:22am
John, I bought a 2000 Toyota Corolla LE a month ago.  Best $6774.00 + tax investment I ever made.  ;;D(well, besides the 2 Corollas I've owned in the past, but this one rocks!)

http://images.getauto.com/vehicles/1NXB/1NXBR12E6YZ353114-a.jpg

;)

BTW, they lost out $3200 because the guy who did the website had the prices switched with another vehicle, hehe. ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:33am
Dude... I'm tellin' you: Get a Jeep! The new TJ's have coilsprings, and ride really nice. Hell, at least take one for a test drive! *OH, THE AGONY!!* Friends don't let friends drive ricers

I promise you, you won't regret getting a Jeep.


"..... a lone voice, crying in the wilderness..."

-Frank, devotee & clergy: Church Of Our Benevolent Jeep

8) ;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Melissa on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:37am

on 11/16/04 at 11:33:35, Jeepgun wrote:
*OH, THE AGONY!!*

Oh you big freakin baby. :P  

[smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:39am
This is just how deeply I feel my conviction about driving American steel. C'mon, John! 50,000 auto workers' jobs are riding on this! *resorting to guilt and manipulation tactics*  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Melissa on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:53am

on 11/16/04 at 11:39:08, Jeepgun wrote:
This is just how deeply I feel my conviction about driving American steel. C'mon, John! 50,000 auto workers' jobs are riding on this! *resorting to guilt and manipulation tactics*  [smiley=laugh.gif]

Dupa, the Toys are built here in America (I believe 5 current factories and 2 on the way), with many American parts (GM).  Hubby wouldn't let me buy one if they weren't!

;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 16th, 2004, 11:54am

on 11/16/04 at 11:53:22, Melissa wrote:
Dupa, the Toys are built here in America (I believe 5 current factories and 2 on the way), with many American parts (GM).  Hubby wouldn't let me buy one if they weren't!

;;D



But they just aren't JEEPS!

[O|||||O]
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by BobG on Nov 16th, 2004, 4:28pm

Quote:
Dupa, the Toys are built here in America

Not quite. My wife's Toyota Highlander was built in Japan.
I drive a Dodge Dakota. Aren't they built in Canada? And the V8 engine is a Mercedes product.

And Jeeps are now a Chysler product. Chysler is controlled by Mercedes. Mercedes is German.
Guess where your money is going? But that is not to say that there is anything wrong with a Jeep. They are a good vehicle.

I used to be a strick "Buy American". But the Japanese engineering and quality have kicked the crap out of American badges.
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Ronny on Nov 16th, 2004, 4:42pm
Bob: duck !!!

;;D
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Melissa on Nov 16th, 2004, 4:47pm

on 11/16/04 at 16:28:58, BobG wrote:
Not quite. My wife's Toyota Highlander was built in Japan.

Seems to be it's only certain vehicles that are currently built here in the US.

From the Toyota website:

Quote:
Our five vehicle assembly facilities and six parts and materials facilities work together to produce the Toyota Camry, Avalon, Camry Solara, Corolla, Matrix, Sequoia, Sienna, Tacoma, and Tundra.* In September 2003, Toyota will begin building North America's first Lexus, the RX 330.
 

http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/manufacturing/index.html

[smiley=thumb.gif]
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 16th, 2004, 4:51pm

on 11/16/04 at 16:28:58, BobG wrote:
Not quite. My wife's Toyota Highlander was built in Japan.
I drive a Dodge Dakota. Aren't they built in Canada? And the V8 engine is a Mercedes product.

And Jeeps are now a Chysler product. Chysler is controlled by Mercedes. Mercedes is German.
Guess where your money is going? But that is not to say that there is anything wrong with a Jeep. They are a good vehicle.

I used to be a strick "Buy American". But the Japanese engineering and quality have kicked the crap out of American badges.


*sigh* You're right, of course. My Jeep's sticker says, "Made in USA," though. (Then again, it's a 1999)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Linda_Howell on Nov 16th, 2004, 4:54pm

Quote:
I used to be a strick "Buy American". But the Japanese engineering and quality have kicked the crap out of American badges.


May I be "sick" for a moment?   Ah.  thank you.

BobG?  I am as disappointed as I can be right now.

 Wish I could copy and paste like you guys do...I would get you pics of classic American cars.
Muscle cars..cruising cars..cars that got men dates...(even ugly guys)

Cars that only requiired a minimum of care and wax.    Cars you could actually get your hands into to change the oil filter or spark plugs.  
Cars that did NOT require an expensive 100,000.00 machine to diagnose.  Just a shade tree and a six-pack of beer and all your friends were there.  

Cars, that today when one "classsic" drives by....all heads turn and their thumbs are "UP" in a nostalgic moment.    
 

                     [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Ree on Nov 16th, 2004, 6:21pm
WHAT COLOR IS IT AND DOES IT HAVE A GOOD STEREO... THATS ALL GIRLS CARE ABOUT... Dave sells used cars as a third job... I get all carrrrrrrrrrrrrrred out... Go for it John D... Love to you Ree
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Linda_Howell on Nov 16th, 2004, 6:44pm

PINK.   and it goes really fast Ree.

  The tunes?   loud.

Stereo= that German one..Blau-punct  ???

leather seats. Bench-type.

tuck-n-roll

oh oh oh.  And those really neat wind-windows on the side.   The ones you can flick your ashes out of...(sorry)

and the American MAGS....

and the rear view mirror for the "dice"

and the heater that has always smelled like crap.  But is still nostalgic. Bringing back memories of those days at the drive-in.

When days were simpler.  And men knew what to expect.
And women knew their place.

WTF am I talking about here?    Refer to above and commit me please.

no-name  



   
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 16th, 2004, 6:48pm

on 11/16/04 at 18:44:47, Linda_Howell wrote:
and the heater that has always smelled like crap.  
   


lol, I had a chevy beretta once and the air-conditioning would spit little peices of insulation foam out the vents.  I was on a date once and it ruined her shirt, she tried not to be mad but she was fuming  ::)   ;;D  oh, the good ol' days
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Linda_Howell on Nov 16th, 2004, 6:58pm

Quote:
the air-conditioning would spit little peices of insulation foam out the vents.



lmao.

Those were the days my friend..........

I thought they'd never end..

Those were the days..oh yes those were the days.



Dah dah dah dah..

.
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 16th, 2004, 6:58pm
Ree  If I get it the car will be either dark grey or black (what do you think?), I have not decided yet.  It has amazing sound, high-end 8 speaker speaker surround sound system with the ability to play DVD audio.  It also has XM radio built in.  It has a cool feature where it can use your cellphone if your cell phone has bluetooth (very common), you can make a call using buttons on the steering wheel and hear and talk through the car sound system.  It has dual zone ac that detects where the sun is so that both sides of the car are equally comfortable.  I plan to get it with a navigation system that has voice-activated controls for everything.   Ok, I'm getting pumped about this, I better shutup.  I am getting the car actually, I am in the process of getting the pre-approval from my bank now.  Sweeeeet.  ;;D        
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Linda_Howell on Nov 16th, 2004, 7:05pm

Quote:
chevy beretta


   :-/


  Uh, John?   Please dismiss every little thing above that I have said.   You, my friend are beneath redemption.  ;)


          sigh..........FORD-lovers R-US    :P
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 16th, 2004, 7:26pm
Spoken like a true country girl.  LOL, a had alot of GM's and one ford.  I never thought much about it to be honest, I was always outside the whole chevy/ford fued loop most of my life.   ;)    
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by LeLimey on Nov 16th, 2004, 7:41pm

on 11/16/04 at 18:58:25, john_d wrote:
 If I get it the car will be either dark grey or black



My next car is going to be mud coloured so the dirt don't show.
Just a thought for the selection process!!!
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Linda_Howell on Nov 16th, 2004, 7:53pm
You're all beyond help.     :(



        Carry on.   ::)



Luinda
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by marlin on Nov 16th, 2004, 8:33pm
Melissa, afraid you're missing the point.  See, buying American keeps design, engineering, manufacturing JOBS and ultimately the $$$$$$$$$ in America.

Jeepgun got it right.  Now, it's another story if you do all the research and there's not a single American product that can compare.

For example electronics - no choice left -- Asia.

But most big ticket items can still be American made.  Just takes some will and don't pay attention to what the other guy buys.

I have 2 GM vehicles that I bought new back in '96 & '97 and they still both run great.  Very few problems along the way.  And, I feel good about my choices.

Starting to get long in the tooth though.  Might be out looking again - at American products...
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Melissa on Nov 16th, 2004, 8:53pm

on 11/16/04 at 20:33:57, marlin wrote:
Melissa, afraid you're missing the point.  See, buying American keeps design, engineering, manufacturing JOBS and ultimately the $$$$$$$$$ in America.

uh, Marlin?  I did not miss the point.  Basically, yes, it'd be nice to buy EVERYTHING American made, but that is not realistic.  Especially when other items can be purchased that are more sophisticated and cost less that are developed by other countries.  Anyway, MY point in posting what I did, had to do with the fact that other countries are also bringing jobs HERE.
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by john_d on Nov 16th, 2004, 9:05pm

If I thought it was black and white like that I would buy an American brand auto.   It's not, and American brand does not equal American made anymore than foreign brand equals not American made.  

Vote for people who are interested in protecting our livelihoods and do the best job possible at yours.  That's the best we can do.

But I am getting my Acura.  ;)
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by BobG on Nov 17th, 2004, 4:26am

on 11/16/04 at 16:54:11, Linda_Howell wrote:
BobG?  I am as disappointed as I can be right now.

Damn it Linda. You haven't been signed on here for a week and you pick the one day I mention I drive a Dodge. Sorry you had to find out. :'(
The only reason I have it is because my wife got embarrassed by my old 175,000 mile '92 Ford pickup. I looked at the new Fords but they sucked. A V8 engine is not available in a Ranger. I also looked at all the other small trucks on the market. The engines available are pitiful to the point of being dangerous. Only Dodge offered a V8.
Please don't be too disappointed in me. If it means anything my hot rod is a Ford Model T with Ford Model A fenders and a '32 Ford grill. The engine and drive train is all Ford. And it is a car that can been worked on at home. No windows, no top, no radio, no air conditioner, no heater, no power steering, no power brakes and the seat is made of plywood.
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Ree on Nov 17th, 2004, 8:10am
Dave says its a screamer..........thats good I guess and then he went on to use lots of car talk that sounded like blah blah blah blah to me.... I say black... but I like that puter grey color that is new too... Everyone has silver today and you want to stand out...LOL
very cool options...........

one of my first cars was a Chevy Malibu... then a Chevy Citation... I like Chevy's but I have to say my favorite was a Subaru...............XT Turbo Coupe I looked really cool in that one............love ree
Title: Re: falling into temptation
Post by Jeepgun on Nov 17th, 2004, 8:36am
The Jeep Gods are weeping bitterly, now...

I'll go see what I can do to console them. (Maybe I'll go get even more muddy...)  [smiley=laugh.gif]


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