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Title: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jeepgun on Nov 1st, 2004, 4:56pm Precisely why I think Senator Kerry should be in jail, rather than running for the presidency. I've been trying my best to stay out of politics, but after seeing this video, I am sick at heart to think that he may become Commander In Chief of our honorable soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen: http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Ree on Nov 1st, 2004, 5:17pm You are going to open up a can of worms with the start of this thread, that I cant be present for... I'll see you guys after the election. Every time I hear the horrors of war my stomach gets ripped apart and I cannot eat. I cannot sleep. I went through it then with my brother. Im going through it now with my kids. Those things did happen if you dont know that well you are naive. Those things are happening now. Only now We are having our heads cut off. Its sad that we ever have to be at war. Have a great night ~~~ God bless the USA ree |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by LeLimey on Nov 1st, 2004, 5:19pm What a harrowing video. So much is owed by all of us to so few. The hardest part to accept is that soldiers who served there were vilified for doing so.. those lucky enough to come back. :'( |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by nani on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:00pm Quote:
Atrocities in war have been going on since the first war. To believe that everyone can live under the conditions of war without snapping is indeed very naive. Just like there are bad cops, there are bad soldiers. How many of us could live under those conditions day in and day out.... thank God most hold on to their humanity. John Kerry was not the only Vietnam vet who spoke out against the war and the atrocities. And how dare we minimize ANY OF THEIR personal sacrifices in going, because they chose to tell the truth. Has anyone heard of the organization Vets for Peace? Wise men indeed. They would know. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jonny on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:13pm Anyone that votes for this fucking scumbag deserves what they get!! ...................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Pegase on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:46pm ....a better world ;) |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jonny on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:51pm on 11/01/04 at 18:46:52, Pegase wrote:
Yeah.....in Canada.....not here! |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:59pm on 11/01/04 at 18:00:58, nani wrote:
How do you know they were telling the "truth"? Of all the guys that went over, these so called "Wise Men" are about 1-2% of the total. Would you believe 1-2% of the people who said they cured CH? No, they get flamed big time. If Bush beats Kerry by 1-2%, you would call it a scham. Sheesh... T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by alleyoop on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:59pm Fantastic documentary! Long but well worth the time to watch! Thanks Frank! Anyone who can watch that and still vote for Kerry, is not anyone I wish to associate with. ...................alley |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:59pm on 11/01/04 at 18:46:52, Pegase wrote:
Don't you have some skates to sharpen? Oh, wait...the national cash crop of Canada is on lock out! [smiley=laugh.gif] All fun intended, but seriously...we have enough arguements about politics in this country without other countries who can't vote, getting involved. T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by john_d on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:05pm on 11/01/04 at 18:59:45, Tom K wrote:
dude, he's not voting- he's posting an opinion on a message board of his fellow clusterheads. And frankly, Canada are our friends right now- let's not be jerks to them. Thanks. edit BTW, our election matters very much to most of the world. That's what happens when you are the last super power, our countries fate effects the fate of everybody. I feel very fortunate to be able to vote and certain sense of responsibility to respectfully listen to the folks from other countries. Maybe I am nuts I don't know. Let me have it, I don't care. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:15pm on 11/01/04 at 19:05:20, john_d wrote:
That's why it said..."All fun intended...." Pegase and I have had many political debates before on here...he knows where I stand, I know where he stands...If he is offended, then I will appologize. Unfortunately for me, most of the people on here stand on his side of the asile. Don't understand it, but respect it. When it is all said and done, this country(and Canadian posters ;;D) will still have to live and work together. How that is going to happen is way beyond me, because the hatred for the sitting President is so deeply engrained. Don't remember people actually hating Clinton, I didn't like him, but I still respected the office. Doesn't seem to be the case now, since there was a book or article or something called, "How to assinate Bush". There was no outcry from the Left to denounce this piece of crap, er, I mean work. Don't understand it. [smiley=huh.gif] T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by ivanov on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:15pm Yes, a better world and country that might have a chance to regain its lost honor. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by john_d on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:19pm on 11/01/04 at 19:15:20, Tom K wrote:
Gotcha, it was a knee-jerk reaction on my part. Well, I am on your side of the aisle actually, though I don't like talking politics. But I will be voting and crossing my fingers tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jonny on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:23pm on 11/01/04 at 19:15:30, ivanov wrote:
What fucking world are you living in? |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by john_d on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:29pm on 11/01/04 at 19:15:30, ivanov wrote:
WTF!!!! This is why I avoid these threads...someone has to start actually bad-mouthing our country. Lost our honor? We have not lost our honor. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Marc on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:29pm Quote:
That's an important point - and I want it to stay that way. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by mynm156 on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:36pm Who can say this is true or not? I believe that those terrible things probably DID happen. I dont like either canidate but come on you cant say George Bush is any better or worse than John Kerry. Like it or not one of them is gonna be our Presidentfor the next four years. So Shut up, pick your poison. If you dont vote then dont BITCH! MYNM156 |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by nani on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:37pm Quote:
Tom - have you fought in a war? If you have-then I will give you all due credit. BTW- I did not say anything about the election or Kerry the candidate. I referred to Vietnam vets who came back and renounced the war and it's atrocities. I believe there is also a group of Iraq war vets doing the same thing right now. War is hell, bro. Whether you vote for Bush or Kerry. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Pegase on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:37pm I knew I would had a bash for that little comment... but you know I love to live dangerously... It was a small one though.... pheew ;) Dont forget I was posting back to jonny too... pheeew again ;) I also knew my friend Tom would answer me back... In fact I was waiting for it... A spank a day keeps the doctor away :D I know this election is really hard for all of you and I only hope it will go better in USA... The only thing I know is that the decision you're gonna take tomorrow will also have impact on my life and the rest of the World... I wish you all good luck.... Hey Tom maybe I could teach you how to skate and play with a puck ;) And Tom... ditto what you said: "Don't understand it, but respect it."... sincerly. Thanks John ;) Phil |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by john_d on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:56pm Pegase, nice having you around. Jeep- that was a great movie, thanks for posting it. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by BobG on Nov 1st, 2004, 8:12pm on 11/01/04 at 19:37:04, nani wrote:
And there were thousands of them. And they were all correct in doing so. At least Kerry was trying to stop that fuckin' mess. What were the "official" negotiators doing? For 3 days Kissinger cried and whined because the table was oval shaped and he wanted a rectangular table so he could sit at the head. During those 3 days of stalling, over 1000 American soldiers, sailors and marines died. George Bush escaped the draft to avoid Vietnam service. Instead he went AWOL from The Texas National Guard. Someone else had to fill the spot that Bush ran from. Maybe if Bush had done his honorable duty there would be one different name on The Wall. Since the spin on Kerry and Stolen Honor website was put up here, just to be fair, how about the website for Michael Moore's documentary? |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Marc on Nov 1st, 2004, 8:26pm Hi Bob! No matter what side you're on, to be really fair, Moore's piece can't be called a documentary. (Not that most of the political video’s are either) I firmly believe in healthy discussion and even level headed arguments, but Moore’s purpose is strictly self serving - to promote himself. Marc |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 1st, 2004, 8:28pm on 11/01/04 at 20:12:38, BobG wrote:
I think you just summed up the Moore spin. T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 1st, 2004, 8:34pm on 11/01/04 at 19:37:04, nani wrote:
I wasn't over there, too young. I didn't get in the service, having a CH in the recruiting office may have had something to do with it. My father was in Nam, as well as my uncle and a cousin. My cousin didn't return. Had a nephew in DS, came back just fine. Have a neice in Iraq. Funny, all the crap being said about how the troops are being treated, is pretty much bullshit. While my father was in Nam, 2 tours, he didn't see any of the crap Kerry or the other "Vets for Peace, talked about. Since he was at the front for most of his tours, I kinda take that over what others say. Go back and reread what I said about Kerry and Bush. It wasn't about the election other than the fact that if it was decided by 1-2% there would be an outcry. 1-2% of anything isn't a lot. Not enough to judge a whole war on. That was my point! T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 1st, 2004, 8:36pm on 11/01/04 at 19:37:12, Pegase wrote:
Skated and played in high school. The team wasn't sanctioned by the school, because of libility issues. Nothing beats the smell of the ice first thing in the morning! T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by BobG on Nov 1st, 2004, 8:56pm on 11/01/04 at 20:26:03, Marc wrote:
Hi Marc You are 100% correct. Michael Moore is a piece of crap and his "documentary" is a piece of crap. And you're right that it is NOT a documentry. It is nothing more than a political bashing aimed at Bush. But Moore claims it was a documentary so that it doesn't fall under the rules on political advertising. Unfortunately there are some fools that think it tells a true story. And there are bought-and-paid-for rumor mongers working for the other side. You just have to figure out who's telling the biggest lies. How's that coming from a non-Bush fan? ::) |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Melissa on Nov 1st, 2004, 9:13pm on 11/01/04 at 18:00:58, nani wrote:
True, but he IS the only one in the running for the White House and that is why Vietnam and what Kerry did after he returned is so much talked about now. I'm not sayin anything for or against anyone, just 'splainin. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Marc on Nov 1st, 2004, 9:14pm That's why I love you Bob :-* |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by floridian on Nov 1st, 2004, 10:17pm on 11/01/04 at 20:56:46, BobG wrote:
I think there is a degree of cosmic balance to the Universe. Michael Moore was brought on by decades of Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, etc etc. Sometimes payback is a bitch. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 1st, 2004, 10:23pm on 11/01/04 at 20:56:46, BobG wrote:
The funniest thing I have heard during the last few days was some girl, college age or so, say about the Moore movie..."It is all true, it is against the law to lie in a movie." [smiley=laugh.gif] I think everyone would agree that stupid people shouldn't only be stopped from reproducing, but also voting. T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by thebbz on Nov 1st, 2004, 11:18pm Lets see who you going to believe Metal of Honor winner or politician??? Truth is there hasn't been an election recently that I really felt I had a decent pick. I vote only for the right to bitch. Last president worth voting for they shot in Texas. [smiley=huh.gif] BB |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Charlie on Nov 1st, 2004, 11:30pm I forgot to see this thing. I do know that the creep who lies about his reasons for broadcasting shit about Kerry is farther to the right than Louis IV. Kerry's big mistake is that he doesn't have the political street smarts as Clinton. He should have hit every talk show the minute these Swiftboat liars started. They do it for all of his elections. He's honest, Bush isn't about his draft-dodging sweet deal in the Texas Air National Guard where many spoiled brats of his social strata wound up. I vote against Bush because I shudder to think of how much damage this horror will do when he doesn't have to be reelected. He's a dangerous man. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Mr. Happy on Nov 1st, 2004, 11:36pm on 11/01/04 at 23:18:30, thebbz wrote:
What? I thought Wallace got shot in Maryland, somewhere around `72 or so.......... on 11/01/04 at 23:30:08, Charlie wrote:
They're all dangerous. Some are more dangerous than others. Just trying to help, RJ |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by thebbz on Nov 1st, 2004, 11:40pm They shoot all the good picks..too bad. Good help Happy! [smiley=laugh.gif] BB |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by BobG on Nov 1st, 2004, 11:52pm I was just watching the late news. It was reported that due to the enormous volume of voters this time that an extra day has been added to handle the increase in balloting and counting. If you are voting for Kerry/Edwards you are to go to your polling place on Tuesday, Nov 2. If you are voting for Bush-Chenney you are to go to your polling place on Wednesday, Nov 3. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Charlie on Nov 2nd, 2004, 12:00am Like Texas maybe: Vote soon and vote often Charlie |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Callico_Kid on Nov 2nd, 2004, 12:57am Two minor (?) points I would bring to the table. 1) George Bush did not go AWOL from the Guard. If you will check his record he had more hours logged and more service time recorded than was required for his posting. As a result he was allowed time off as were others in the same position. The physical he missed was due for an aircraft that was taken out of service by the Guard, hence the physical was unnecessary. 2) George Bush signed his Form 180 making his personal files concerning his military service public. John Kerry has refused to do so. Why? I voted early due to being out of town for work, and am proud to have voted for Bush. However, I don't care who you vote for as long as you vote out of personal conviction rather than party line. I may disagree with you, but I honor anyone who follows his convictions, and am always interested in an honest debate on the issues. Jerry BTW I am registered as an Independent, not Republican. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Charlie on Nov 2nd, 2004, 1:55am The big lie. It's famous and it works. Karl Rove uses it over and over and over. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by BobG on Nov 2nd, 2004, 2:06am Yep, what Charlie said. Bob BTW, I'm registered as a Republican, not an Independent. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by alleyoop on Nov 2nd, 2004, 7:03am on 11/01/04 at 22:23:08, Tom K wrote:
Hey, that might be the end of bipartisan politics in the US. It'd surely mean the end of the democratic party! If a person can't name his or her senators and congressmen, he shouldn't be allowed to vote. .......................alley |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Bob P on Nov 2nd, 2004, 7:21am Quote:
Because: http://www.nysun.com/article/4040 |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by john_d on Nov 2nd, 2004, 8:13am on 11/01/04 at 23:36:15, Mr. Happy wrote: happy's content is cool, but his details are even cooler |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jeepgun on Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:20am I agree with TheBBZ, and I choose to believe a Congressional Medal Of Honor recipient over John Kerry. John Kerry, whether he intended to or not, did a lot of damage, and I doubt if it will ever be mended. If he is elected to the Presidency, chances are, this will be the death knell for the Democratic party. As to whether the damage he will do can be repaired is anyone's guess. I voted ten days ago, when early voting began at the county courthouse, here. Tonight's festivities will certainly be interesting. No matter which side of the political fence your views fall to, may the very best be done for our nation. -Frank |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by PittsburghJoe on Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:29am I'm glad I had better things to do last night than watch this propaganda. I'm sure the people who made this little film had no personal or political axe to grind, and it was made strictly for the public interest. Anyhow, it's too late to change my vote. It has been cast already, and I feel good about it. Hope all of you do the same. Joe |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Bob P on Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:42am Quote:
They have an axe to grind as do many Nam Vets. Some will tell you it's political but as for me, it's very, very personal! |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by nani on Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:47am Quote:
And many other Vietnam vets agree with Kerry's actions. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jeepgun on Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:49am on 11/02/04 at 09:47:21, nani wrote:
Please name one. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:59am on 11/02/04 at 09:42:34, Bob P wrote:
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Hi, I'm sarcasm, have we met? ::) |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by nani on Nov 2nd, 2004, 10:04am Quote:
I know 4 that I know personally and deal with on a daily basis (my husband is one of them). It's easy for us to sit around here and judge- none of us (Present vietnam vets excluded) was there. I feel the only ones who are really entitled to an opinion on this are the ones who actually served in Vietnam. No matter what their opinion is. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jeepgun on Nov 2nd, 2004, 10:12am I'd be curious to know how they feel about Jane Fonda, then. I don't know a single vet who supports what John Kerry did, or who would vote him into being dogcatcher, let alone, Commander In Chief of our armed forces. |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by PittsburghJoe on Nov 2nd, 2004, 10:18am Frank, I'm assuming you mean a single Vietnam vet. I'm a veteran, though I was only a little kid during Veitnam. But I was serving during the first Gulf War, and I'm a Kerry supporter. Joe |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by nani on Nov 2nd, 2004, 10:20am Quote:
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Jeepgun on Nov 2nd, 2004, 10:20am Well, even if you're a Kerry supporter, thank you for serving, Joe. ;) Who loves ya', baby? [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Charlie on Nov 2nd, 2004, 2:11pm Jane Fonda found Jesus or something. Ted Turner couldn't stand it and dumped her. Who knows what kind of shit she's into now. Vietnam vets marched around Washington in protests. I was never a radical or against the war. What did I know? I didn't have to go. The big lie continues Charlie |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Bob P on Nov 2nd, 2004, 2:26pm The snowball is gaining momentum Charlie. Guam has gone Bush ;;D http://www.guampdn.com/news/updates/9807.html |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Tom K on Nov 2nd, 2004, 3:02pm Where is the "Beating a dead horse" emoicon? T |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by floridian on Nov 2nd, 2004, 3:57pm on 11/02/04 at 15:02:37, Tom K wrote:
Here's one ... http://www.bttf.com/graphics/BeatADeadHorse.gif |
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Title: Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version Post by Marc on Nov 2nd, 2004, 4:21pm Quote:
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