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(Message started by: Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:21pm)
Title: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:21pm
Have you seen the flyer from a Tennessee Democrat running for congress.  The headquarters of Craig Fitzhugh also serve as the local headquarters of the Kerry campaign.

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/images/BushOlympics.JPG

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1951

http://miva.jacksonsun.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?NEWS/news_storyV2.mv+link=200410146588785


Shit is getting deep out there.


Gator

***Modified to change the word ad to flyer, because there is a difference.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by BobG on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:23pm
Now that is just plain WRONG.  >:(
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Prense on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:24pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:23:43, BobG wrote:
Now that is just plain WRONG.  >:(


...yet, expected.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gena on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:25pm
But very Funny [smiley=crackup.gif]
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:42pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:25:52, Gena wrote:
But very Funny [smiley=crackup.gif]



I have worked with the athletes during the Special Olympics for many years.  I find absolutely nothing funny about making fun of the children and adults that give their all in the events.  I find it extremely distasteful and disgusting that someone could use them in this manner.

Gator
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gena on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:45pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:42:19, Gator wrote:
I have worked with the athletes during the Special Olympics for many years.  I find absolutely nothing funny about making fun of the children and adults that give their all in the events.  I find it extremely distasteful and disgusting that someone could use them in this manner.

Gator


Still Funny
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Prense on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:45pm
::)
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Bob P on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:46pm
I've worked the special olympics before and those athletes have a lot more going for them than politicians do.

Agree with BobG.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Tom K on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:47pm
Funny, especially because the PC, touchy feely, "We're better than you", "You're mean spirited", Democraps are behind it!   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

T
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by eddie on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:48pm
NOT FUNNY
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by E-Double on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:51pm
I am a sibling of a developmentally disabled individual and although I too find it offensive I find it HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that any politician from either party would use such a flier

Especially when the monkey one is funnier. J/k


E.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:57pm
Well, I printed the picture, because I thought it was funny too.  It's a great picture of W.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by broomhilda on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:59pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:51:06, E-Double wrote:
I am a sibling of a developmentally disabled individual and although I too find it offensive I find it HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that any politician from either party would use such a flier

Especially when the monkey one is funnier. J/k


E.

LOL Eric too true.... I have dedicated my life to working with children and adults with special needs and they present more strength ,power and courage than many can imagine, this is disgusting >:(
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:05pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:47:26, Tom K wrote:
Funny, especially because the PC, touchy feely, "We're better than you", "You're mean spirited", Democraps are behind it!   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

T

This is why it is funny.  Repulsivecans have been accused of being mean spirited by the Democraps forever, just goes to show their true nature, no intellectual honesty whatsoever.  Still think little Georgie looks cute, though.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by E-Double on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:07pm

on 10/14/04 at 13:05:18, thomas wrote:
 Still think little Georgie looks cute, though.


His face does make you say "Awe" ;) lol
but the saying still sucks
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:07pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:51:06, E-Double wrote:
I am a sibling of a developmentally disabled individual and although I too find it offensive I find it HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that any politician from either party would use such a flier unless to truly attempt slander

Especially when the monkey one is funnier. J/k


E.


I would hope you are right, but according to the reports I have read so far, the flyer was being distributed for about 2 weeks before all the flap started.

Yes, the monkey one was funny.  Making fun of political figures is one thing.  I have no problem with this.  I have seen some pretty funny stuff against both candidates.  This goes beyond funny into the realms of as BobG said, "Just plain WRONG."  Whoever did this should be publicly flogged and then sentenced to work with special needs children.

Gena, I wonder how hard you would laugh if it was your child's picture with the alterations and captions.  Or are you the kind of person that attends the Special Olympics to laugh at the retards?


Gator
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:14pm

on 10/14/04 at 13:07:31, Gator wrote:
 Or are you the kind of person that attends the Special Olympics to laugh at the retards?


Gator

I can assure you she is not that type of person, however I do know that she doesn't like George Bush.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Prense on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:16pm

on 10/14/04 at 13:14:05, thomas wrote:
I can assure you she is not that type of person, however I do know that she doesn't like George Bush.


Whether Bush is liked or not is totally not relevant with this.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by PittsburghJoe on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:19pm
I'll agree that ad is not funny and quite distasteful.

However, consider the source of the story. Traditionalvalues.org isn't exactly a saintly or unbiased source, they exist solely to deprive Americans of their rights if they don't blindly follow an 1850's mentality. They are as much in the pocket of the GOP as moveon.org is a Democratic organization.

And the news article you link cites the GOP challenger as its source, again not an unbiased source.

Whatever you may think of Democrats, I can assure you that party leadership would never let this fly as an actual campaign flyer.

Joe
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Woobie on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:22pm

on 10/14/04 at 13:14:05, thomas wrote:
I can assure you she is not that type of person,.



I can second that..............
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by floridian on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:28pm
Disgusting?  Absolutely.  

Did Craig Fitzhugh or any other Democrat print and distribute this flyer?  Not convinced they did.


Quote:
Button Says Fitzhugh Flier Is GOP "Dirty Trick"
posted October 13, 2004

Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Randy Button today charged Republicans with "dirty tricks" regarding the Team GOP news release accusing Tennessee Democrats of distributing a flyer denigrating handicapped children and the Special Olypmics.

Randy Button said, “This disgusting flyer is a dirty trick by Republicans to try and smear Craig Fitzhugh and the Democratic Party in Tennessee. We are shocked and appalled that they would stoop to this level to try and score political points. Craig Fitzhugh is one of the most honorable, upright men in the Tennessee Legislature, and everyone who knows him knows that he is a champion of children and those with disabilities.

“I am calling on Republican Party Chairwoman Beth Harwell, Craig Fitzhugh’s colleague in the House of Representatives, to put an end to this. We may not agree on politics, but Beth and I can both agree to the character and principles of Craig Fitzhugh. This is the work of shady Republican operatives, and is remnicent of the Nixon-era Watergate burglaries. This is just the latest in a long history of dirty politics on the part of Republicans.

"Craig Fitzhugh has called on the District Attorney to investigate the source of this disgusting flyer. We have every intention of getting to the bottom of this disturbing incident.”

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_57093.asp
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Charlie on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:30pm
Sadly, it's not at all unusual in politics. Local elections are the worst. This a pretty damn good way to lose votes too. This guy's campaign workers should know better.

At least George Bush and  friends confine their beliefs and campaigning that it's only you and I are low on the learning curve.

You have to aim at us, not these poor chilren......

Charlie
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Jeepgun on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:31pm
Fucking disgusting. The asshat who came up with this idea needs to be smacked in the kneecaps with a sledgehammer.  >:( I don't care who they are making fun of.  >:(

[smiley=mad.gif] [smiley=furious.gif]
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Mac on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:37pm
It is a terrible thing to put out. Comparing mentally disabled kids to Bush is a real insult to the mentally disabled. But I take issue with you Gator. You said in the initial post that the democratic candidate "ran the ad". First off, it was a flyer and secondly the candidate has said he had nothing to do with. You chose to ignore that part. What candidate in his right mind would put something like that out? Who would gain from a stunt like that? Not a Republican candidate...naaaahh.. ::)
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Prense on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:44pm
Ad is short for advertisement.  Political flyers are advertisements.

Holy shit, I could think of better things to split hairs over.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Ree on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:46pm
I knew it was baloney or an urban legend... politics are just baloney... all lies............... "I'll do this, I'll do that... "4 years go by and nada nada nada..........this election will be the same....... he will probably steal it again and it will all the same country for another 4 years... Its down to the lesser of 2 evils.............. Politics suck.......... Ree
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Ueli on Oct 14th, 2004, 1:53pm
I find it disgusting beyond believe that some retarded people here not only find it funny, but feel an urge post their insulting opinion.

Shame on you! [smiley=yikes.gif] Go crawl back under the stone where you slimy slugs came from.

Utterly pissed off, Ueli


PS, If you don't want to share this mb with people with disabilities, just say so. I can live without such insensible people.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Mac on Oct 14th, 2004, 2:55pm

on 10/14/04 at 13:44:42, Prense wrote:
Ad is short for advertisement.  Political flyers are advertisements.

Holy shit, I could think of better things to split hairs over.


There is a huge difference. By saying Fitzhugh "ran an ad" Gator gives the impression that Fitzhugh authorized it's use to be "run" in legit newspapers. When you have a flyer created you don't "run" a flyer. You "distribute it".The "flyer" could have been done and distributed by some twit with a vendetta against the Fitzhugh. Look at the response the ad has had on these boards. Total negativity. I can imagine the response in Tennessee.  Why would a candidate risk losing all credibility by distributing a tasteless flyer like that? Somebody elses agenda perhaps?
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Charlie on Oct 14th, 2004, 3:02pm
After all, the Bush side only tells evangelicals that voting for Kerry is a sin, during the 2000 GOP primary that John McCain had illegitmate children in Vietnam while in prison, and the Max Clelland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam wasn't really a patriot.

It is different I guess........

Charlie
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 3:04pm
How many of you made fun of Hypnotic Freddy when He got upset for being called a retard?  
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gena on Oct 14th, 2004, 3:08pm

on 10/14/04 at 13:07:31, Gator wrote:
Gena, I wonder how hard you would laugh if it was your child's picture with the alterations and captions.  Or are you the kind of person that attends the Special Olympics to laugh at the retards?


Gator


Do You Know Me or My Kids? NO...... then STFU.

OH and by the way STILL FUNNY!!!!!!
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:00pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, in my original post I used wrong word; ad vs flyer. (God and Mac please forgive me. It shall be corrected.) Luckily most people were intelligent enough to look past my error and get to the point.  I also posted two urls as an attampt to provide some balance.  I knew the one from a religious organization would be immediately suspect, so I posted the newspaper article as well.  At that time, those were the only reports I could find.  Upon further research I have found quite a few places where this was mentioned.  Admittedly, most of these are blogs run by private individuals with a lean to the right, but then again, the tv and print media are pretty much slanted to the left, so why not.  

As far as would this clown authorize the distribution, I would hope not.  Would he allow someone else to do it as long as he could deny it, can't say.  What I can say is apparently, this is not the first time this particular politician has been accused of this sort of thing.

Here is an exerpt from another story about Fitzhugh:


Quote:
I wish I could say that I am as shocked as I am dismayed at Fitzhugh's actions. Sadly, this type of behavior has become commonplace for the big man from Ripley. Two years ago, facing the same opponent, Dave Dahl, Fitizhugh made phone calls attacking Dahl's five year old, adopted daughter. And for all the right reasons, for being born in Texas.

http://www.southendgrounds.com/2004/10/democrats_do_yo.html


It's also not a first for the democraps.  in 1994, Al Gore compared conservatives to people with "Down's Syndrome."  The full article will cost you about $3.  From the Washigton Times archives:


Quote:
http://tinyurl.com/6x9c7

Article 4 of 4, Article ID: J00465120092
Published on October 30, 1994, The Washington Times
Nothing to joke about in extra chromosomes

****AL GORE ANGERS DOWN SYNDROME FAMILIES BY USING GENETICS TO INSULT OLIVER NORTH'S SUPPORTERS****Advocates for the disabled are upset over Vice President Al Gore's remark attributing a genetic defect to supporters of Virginia GOP Senate candidate Oliver North.Mr. North "is banking on the fact that he can raise enough money from the extreme right wing, the extra-chromosome right wing," Mr. Gore said Friday at a White House news briefing broadcast nationwide by

Complete Article, 725 words ( )


The great debate continues.


Gator

Modified to fix long url with www.tinyurl.com - Thanks for the reminder Floridian.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by alleyoop on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:07pm

on 10/14/04 at 15:08:55, Gena wrote:
OH and by the way STILL FUNNY!!!!!!

Not funny to me either, although I did get a chuckle out of your avatar.

.................................alley [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:24pm

on 10/14/04 at 15:08:55, Gena wrote:
Do You Know Me or My Kids? NO...... then STFU.

OH and by the way STILL FUNNY!!!!!!


Nope, I don't know you nor do I know your kids.  All I know of anyone here is what they post.  You are the one that has posted 3 times you think a poster that makes fun of disabled chidren is funny.  

And I will not STFU.  The picture comparing the faces of Bush to faces made by chimps was funny.  The pic of Curious GeorgeW was funny.  Regardless of what party the author of this picture supports, this picture is disgusting.  


Gator
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:27pm
She does have 662 other posts besides these three....... can you judge a person on less than 1% of what they say? ::)
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by floridian on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:29pm
Yes, Gore's comment on the "extra chromosome wing of the Republican party" was not very considerate.  He said it once, then apologized.  The phrase was invented by Lee Athingyer (Republican strategist known for his dirty tricks) and was used by Bush 41 when he was vice president:


Quote:
LOS ANGELES TIMES/UPI (12/18/87): Vice President George Bush has apologized to a mother of a girl with Down’s syndrome for his use of the phrase "the extra-chromosome set" to refer to conservatives who oppose the recently signed arms-control treaty, a newspaper reported Thursday.


I think the language pales in comparison to people who take policy positions that it is ok to execute the mentally retarded, but I'm one of those touchy-feely types that think that the profoundly retarded may not be able to distinguish right from wrong - they should be incarcerated for their crimes and to protect society, but nothing is gained by executing them.


Quote:
Here in Texas, Gov. George W. Bush has opposed laws that would prohibit the execution of the mentally retarded. [It is a position he still holds, a spokeswoman, Linda Edwards, said on Friday. "Governor Bush believes that the jury should consider all the evidence regarding mental impairment and decide whether a death sentence is appropriate," Ms. Edwards said.] Legislation barring the execution of a defendant whose I.Q. is below 65 passed the Republican-dominated Texas Senate last year but failed in the House. The bill's sponsor, Senator Rodney Ellis, Democrat of Houston, said he was optimistic that the bill would pass next year. He said he would try to raise the I.Q. limit to 70, which is what it is in several other states.

(from 2000)
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=17&did=439
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Jonny on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:31pm
Someone please judge me on what I post, Please!!!!...Comon', PLEASE!  ;)
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:32pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:31:14, Jonny wrote:
Someone please judge me on what I post, Please!!!!...Comon', PLEASE!  ;)

Ok, you are a pervert!  ;) ;;D
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Jonny on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:35pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:32:38, thomas wrote:
Ok, you are a pervert!  ;) ;;D


You only say that cause you love me, You big Teddy bear
:-*
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by LeLimey on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:36pm

Quote:
Someone please judge me on what I post, Please!!!!...Comon', PLEASE!
 

How long a sentence do you want to be judged on?!
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:37pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:35:53, Jonny wrote:
You only say that cause you love me, You big Teddy bear
:-*

You know I do, baby! ;;D
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Tom K on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:40pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:27:19, thomas wrote:
....... can you judge a person on less than 1% of what they say? ::)



I guess when it comes down to this thread...yes.  Or, at least some can.  Don't worry, Gena, I got your back, too.  Which could be a good or bad thing!  LOL!!  Please, let's put this in context, as Gator tried to do before...no party is safe from idiots who run ads/fliers/brochures/print media/carrier pigeon, that make fun of some group or the other.  And, while making fun of said group/person, someone is going to be offended.  BOTH PARTIES HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST.  Get over it, not the picture, the having your panties in a bunch, because your party couldn't have possibly done something like this...it was a plant.  I'm a Republican, I'm proud, I support and defend my party.  You may be a Democrat, you are proud, you support your party.  When it comes to things of this nature, it's wrong, whether it is from our side or yours.  Don't try to spin it that it must have been a plant from the other side.  That never pans out and you look like an idiot.  I agree, local office elections are the worst.  You thought the mud being slung was bad in the Prez run?  HA!  Look at a Chicago election...makes the Prez run look like a bunch of nuns on a picnic.

T
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Tom K on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:44pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:29:38, floridian wrote:
Yes, Gore's comment on the "extra chromosome wing of the Republican party" was not very considerate.

Not considerate?  It was out and out wrong!  See post above...I was just starting to like you, floridian!  LOL!!!


Quote:
 I think that it pales in comparison to people who take the position that it is ok to execute the mentally retarded, but I'm one of those touchy-feely types that think that the profoundly retarded may not be able to distinguish right from wrong - they should be incarcerated for their crimes to protect society, but nothing is gained by executing them.


Yeah, there's nothing to gain, but they are easier to get...just tell them it is a ride.  

See!  It stings doesn't it.  What you are feeling is what we as Republicans felt with the Al Bore thing.  

T

I don't feel this way, was trying to make a point.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by eddie on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:44pm
making fun of any handicap people is not funny.  
i have seen it growing up i didnt laugh with people
or others who made fun of them.my mom and dad
didnt put up with it.thats whats wrong with this
world now. no morals,values and integrity.
http://www.geocities.com/smeaux38/142799073EsnGcL_ph.jpg
                 now this is funny where is goober?

                   
                     
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 4:52pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:27:19, thomas wrote:
She does have 662 other posts besides these three....... can you judge a person on less than 1% of what they say? ::)


Never was my intention to point anyone person out, except the slimeball that made the picture.  I asked a question based on someone saying twice that a picture making fun of a disabled child was funny. The answer I got was a third reply that the picture is funny.  

Do with that what you will.

Gator
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:00pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:52:45, Gator wrote:
Do with that what you will.

Gator

Well, the last time I checked, some times you don't have a choice over what makes you laugh, I know I've seen somethings that others thought to be repulsive, but I thought to be quite funny, laughter is an involuntary response.

edit: And as far as Gena's character goes, she has a whole lot of it.  
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by floridian on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:03pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:44:13, Tom K wrote:
Not considerate?  It was out and out wrong!  See post above...I was just starting to like you, floridian!  LOL!!!
[/i]


Sorry if I'm not denouncing it with the vigour that is expected.  It is always inconsiderate, and may be intentionally cruel depending on whether or not the person using it understands what they are saying.  President Bush's father pleaded ignorance of the full implications, Vice President Gore did the same.  Personally, I think they are both inconsiderate Asshats when they said it.  And I really think that insults pale in comparison to executions, or cutting funding for the handicapped.  


Quote:
Bush made the remark in a television interview Friday to refer to a group of conservatives who oppose the treaty to eliminate land-based intermediate-range nuclear missiles. He told Mulligan he was unaware that the term "extra-chromosome set" referred to those with Down’s syndrome.

Further checking seems to suggest that this phrase has been common in political circles. Indeed, Lee Athingyer is quoted using the phrase in the past, and so, by gorry, is that same Nancy Reagan! Indeed, as recently as February 6, 2000, former RNC chair Rich Bond was quoted saying that John McCain had "Ross Perot’s outsider message without Perot’s extra chromosomes." Bond served up a similar formulation on FNC’s 2/14/00 Special Report.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h051401_1.shtml
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by TomM on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:23pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:31:14, Jonny wrote:
Someone please judge me on what I post, Please!!!!...Comon', PLEASE!  ;)

You like circus midgettes, but only the cruchy ones.  ;;D
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by floridian on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:25pm

on 10/14/04 at 17:00:46, thomas wrote:
Well, the last time I checked, some times you don't have a choice over what makes you laugh, I know I've seen somethings that others thought to be repulsive, but I thought to be quite funny, laughter is an involuntary response.

 


Thomas (aka "mr. personal responsibility" from some of your other posts),

laughter may not always be controllable, but it generally  reflects how a person thinks and sometimes gives a glimpse into their character. In general, people who do laugh at such humor (or racism, etc) have little regard for the group being poked at.  Sometimes its because they can't relate to that group - they don't really know anyone in that group, are just not sympathetic).  Sometimes it is because they hate, despise or dehumanize the group.  

Without trying to demonize anyone,  the inarguable fact is that many people find the flyer offensive.  And many people here probably find it funny but won't admit it, or find it both funny and disgusting and are trying to figure out why. Those who are close to someone with Down's Syndrome are far more likely to consider it offensive, because they have are more understanding of that disease.  They don't want their loved ones mocked or used as comparators for ridicule.  If you understand that, you will see that it is inconsiderate and wrong, and will not find it funny.



Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Tom K on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:29pm

on 10/14/04 at 17:25:10, floridian wrote:
Thomas (aka "mr. personal responsibility" from some of your other posts)...


Think you may have Thomas confused with Tom K.  That would be me.  But, I have to agree with Thomas, the other one, that I, too laugh at some things that others may not.  It may be a nervous reaction to a situation, may be my way of dealing with things.  Got fired one time, no really, and laughed all the way out the door.  Wasn't acutaly funny, cuz I didn't know where I was going to get the coin to pay the bills I had, but there I was laughing like a little school girl.  Go figure.  Some people react differently to situations, possibly differently than you.  That's what makes this world a exciting place...it isn't all vanilla.

T
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by floridian on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:39pm

on 10/14/04 at 17:29:33, Tom K wrote:
Think you may have Thomas confused with Tom K.  That would be me.  But, I have to agree with Thomas, the other one, that I, too laugh at some things that others may not.  It may be a nervous reaction to a situation, may be my way of dealing with things.  Got fired one time, no really, and laughed all the way out the door.  Wasn't acutaly funny, cuz I didn't know where I was going to get the coin to pay the bills I had, but there I was laughing like a little school girl.  Go figure.  Some people react differently to situations, possibly differently than you.  That's what makes this world a exciting place...it isn't all vanilla.

T



I think I have the right Thomas - I was referring to a post where he said he was sick of the Repubs, sick of the Dems, sick of paying for other people's messes, people should just take responsibility for themselves. (Or was that you??)

Laughing at something when you don't really think it is funny is altogether different (psychologists call it innapropriate affect).  Everyone does that to some degree, especially when stressed.  It can be from a brain 'spasm.'  But not seeing cruelty, or laughing at something that is cruel and finding it funny - indicate two other conditions.  
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by echo on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:41pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:31:14, Jonny wrote:
Someone please judge me on what I post, Please!!!!...Comon', PLEASE!  ;)


Based on an intensive review of your posts I have come to the following analysis.

You have two barbie dolls on your monitor.
You have barbie tatooed to your butt.
and your nickname is "Needle Dick the Bug Fucker" ;;D [smiley=laugh.gif]

couldn't resist. :)




Think I'll just hide in the corner now.  It will be harder for you to get your boot up my ass there.

edited for spelling
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by thomas on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:43pm
I wish not to trade barbs with you on this floridian, but I will say this, I've got extremely thick skin, there are plenty of things posted here and that I see on tv and hear on the radio everyday, that if I were more thin-skinned than I am, that would offend me greatly.  Don't assume to know me, trust me, you would probably like me if you ever met me, and I'm sure the sheer thought of THAT repulses you to no end.  I'm a whole lot of things that people make fun of daily.  Was the flier in poor taste, of course, did I laugh, yes.  Do I think handicapped people or minorities should be made fun of, no.  But the bottom line is I did laugh when I saw it.  And yes I have the guts to admit it.  In my opinion the people who are the most fun to pick on are the morons who get themselves into trouble, by their own actions, now that is always good humor.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by PittsburghJoe on Oct 14th, 2004, 5:45pm
To be honest, I first ran across this "joke" in a different format a couple years ago. Only it had the actual kid's face in the picture, and the text read:

"Arguing over the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

So it ain't like whoever devised the Bush flyer was being particularly original.

And in spite of the cruelty, I think I should keep that slogan in mind once in a while...

Joe
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Jonny on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:04pm
Hell, I laughed at it when I saw it and I dont give a fuck what anyone thinks, but then again I dont give a fuck about what anyone thinks of me or what I say!

This fucking thread is getting old fast.

................................jonny
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by john_d on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:10pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:04:40, Jonny wrote:
Hell, I laughed at it when I saw it and I dont give a fuck what anyone thinks, but then again I dont give a fuck about what anyone thinks of me or what I say!

This fucking thread is getting old fast.

................................jonny


I thought it was funny too bro, thanks for steppen up to the plate on that one.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by BlueMeanie on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:10pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:04:40, Jonny wrote:
Hell, I laughed at it when I saw it and I dont give a fuck what anyone thinks, but then again I dont give a fuck about what anyone thinks of me or what I say!

This fucking thread is getting old fast.

................................jonny


You got that right jonny but i gotta give my 2 cents first.

Would you elect a handicap to be president of the United States ? That's what the flyer/ad is about.

The picture seems to be a representation of Bush NOT being able to handle his job. I don't think it was to laugh at a handicap, but to laugh at Bush's incapabilities.

Maybe all jokes should be banned. After all, are they not all discriminatory against someone ? Politically correct, the new way for America.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Gator on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:13pm
I know I started all this, and after a little reflection, I have to say that a person's perspective dictates how they see things and what they think is funny.

Most of us saw a disabled child being used to make fun of someone.  We were disgusted by that and expressed our feelings.

Thomas said in his first post "It's a great picture of W. "

When he and a couple others saw the pic, they saw Bush (not a child) being made fun of.  I am sure none of those who said it was funny were laughing at the child.  They were laughing at Bush.  

Now, everyone shake hands and make nice.  And hurry up so we can get back to arguing politics!!!


Gator
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:14pm
Amen! :D
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Jonny on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:15pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:13:06, Gator wrote:
When he and a couple others saw the pic, they saw Bush (not a child) being made fun of.  I am sure none of those who said it was funny were laughing at the child.  They were laughing at Bush.  


BINGO, Gator!!

I saw that face and had to laugh.

...............................jonny
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Simon on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:17pm
Disgusting beyond belief? No. Unfortunate and inappropriate? Yes.

Let's start using our words with some accuracy. Disgusting beyond belief is what happened to Ken Bigley in Iraq last week, and to several Americans prior to that.

Humour is subjective, and I have looked repeatedly at the picture, finding it mildly amusing. I would certainly never put it out as an advert/flyer or whatever though, because of its capacity to offend some people.

I found the pop-up that appeared when following one of the links just as offensive, even moreso as it was not even defensible by attempting to be humourous - "Gay Rights/Special Rights, produced by Traditional Values Coalition, exposes the homosexual agenda and how it impacts Christianity, the business community, public schools, the Church, Congress and the individual." All for the excellent price of £20!


Most of those from "minority" groups that I have known have been more risqué in their self-deprecating humour than the rest of us dare. We only patronise them if we leap to their defence quite so vociferously in cases like this.

A final thought: would Republican disabled people find this more offensive than Democrat ones? Given the extraordinary polarisation of views we see here all the time, my guess is yes, and what does that say?


Getting gladder all the time I can't vote!! :)

S
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by echo on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:18pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:15:16, Jonny wrote:
BINGO, Gator!!

I saw that face and had to laugh.

...............................jonny


The face was what was funny.  Remembering the pics of W and Kerry in drag still haunts me.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Mac on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:23pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:00:53, Gator wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, in my original post I used wrong word; ad vs flyer. (God and Mac please forgive me. It shall be corrected.) Luckily most people were intelligent enough to look past my error and get to the point.  I also posted two urls as an attampt to provide some balance.  I knew the one from a religious organization would be immediately suspect, so I posted the newspaper article as well.  At that time, those were the only reports I could find.  Upon further research I have found quite a few places where this was mentioned.  Admittedly, most of these are blogs run by private individuals with a lean to the right, but then again, the tv and print media are pretty much slanted to the left, so why not.  

As far as would this clown authorize the distribution, I would hope not.  Would he allow someone else to do it as long as he could deny it, can't say.  What I can say is apparently, this is not the first time this particular politician has been accused of this sort of thing.

Here is an exerpt from another story about Fitzhugh:


It's also not a first for the democraps.  in 1994, Al Gore compared conservatives to people with "Down's Syndrome."  The full article will cost you about $3.  From the Washigton Times archives:


The great debate continues.


Gator

Gator I agree with you that the picture is rude and tasteless. It's not the fact you used the wrong word - ad vs. flyer - it has to do with the fact that you said Fitzhugh ran the ads when there is no proof in the article that he had anything to do with them. That's not splitting hairs. That's pointing out a major partizan spin.  

I don't even know the guy your talking about. I was just interested in your topic and followed the link you provided that backed up? your claim that he ran those ads. And has for my "looking past" your errors I have the intelligence to "see through" your obvious attempt to make the dems look bad. You even put Kerry's name in there just to spice it up...get the connection? nudge nudge wink wink

Let's try to keep the insults down.It makes you look petty and unable to defend your position.
pfdan glen
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by floridian on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:30pm

on 10/14/04 at 17:43:22, thomas wrote:
I wish not to trade barbs with you on this floridian, but I will say this, I've got extremely thick skin, there are plenty of things posted here and that I see on tv and hear on the radio everyday, that if I were more thin-skinned than I am, that would offend me greatly.  


Thomas,

The only thing that was directed specifically at you was the 'free will' part of the thread.  Not wanting to trade barbs either, just wondering how the involuntary response fits with people controlling themselves or being responsible for their actions.  

Yeah, the world sucks and there is no shortage of things to be offended at. On one level, people sometimes have to push things out of their concern and get on with things. On another level, people hear things they don't agree with, so they disagree. And with all the posts I've seen that say 'welcome to the family' you think there would be benefit from a set of house rules.  Ueli's extremely pissed, I'm somewhat pissed, and some of us are taking bets on whether Gator will be the next Al Sharpton for yelling "Tawana Brawley" over this mysterious flyer.


on 10/14/04 at 17:43:22, thomas wrote:
In my opinion the people who are the most fun to pick on are the morons who get themselves into trouble, by their own actions, now that is always good humor.


Agree with you on that one - watching bubbles of hypocrisy burst is seeing justice in action.

Bringing up the Hypnotic Freddy issue also touched a nerve - on one hand he was manic and abusive, on the other hand, calling him a retard wasn't right, and shouldn't set a precedent.


Quote:
Don't assume to know me, trust me, you would probably like me if you ever met me, and I'm sure the sheer thought of THAT repulses you to no end.


Nah,  I don't KNOW you know you, but don't see you as a monster or repulsive - you are generally reasonable even if you and I are disagree on some issues. After a reading a few hundred of your posts, I have some ideas about you.   And does anybody really know anybody else?  
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by john_d on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:39pm

you know what,  the mentally challenged just want to be loved and paid attention to like the rest of us.  The problem with being overly-sensitive and treating them 'special', is that it forces everyone to put up a front and be fake, or worse we just avoid the subject and them, except for those who take care of them and at the 'special' olympics.

I can't think of anyone on this board who would ever go to the special olympics and laugh at the kids, however I can think of about a dozen who would kick anyones ass they saw doing something like that.  ESPECIALLY the ones with retard in there vocabulary.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Jonny on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:40pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:30:16, floridian wrote:
you think there would be benefit from a set of house rules.  


Theres only one rule!...Dj's rule ;;D

Christ!, I post a pic of myself thats 99% naked and not one person complains. One stupid pic of a dumbass president and all hell breaks loose....whats wrong with this picture?

I'll tell ya, some people got nothing more to do than piss and moan everyday ;;D

..................................Bite me!
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by BlueMeanie on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:46pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:40:06, Jonny wrote:
Christ!, I post a pic of myself thats 99% naked and not one person complains.


Now that WAS a DISGUSTING picture I gotta admit.  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Jonny on Oct 14th, 2004, 6:50pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:46:30, BlueMeanie wrote:
Now that WAS a DISGUSTING picture I gotta admit.  [smiley=laugh.gif]


I didnt hear you complaining, Honey :-*
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Ree on Oct 14th, 2004, 7:21pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:27:19, thomas wrote:
She does have 662 other posts besides these three....... can you judge a person on less than 1% of what they say? ::)

Thomas... you are wasting your breath... she doesnt seem to care and you are killing yourself defending her.
If she doesnt care then friend why are you wasting your words........... ree
I need to add this... the mentally retarded don't know that they are mentally retarted.  They are quite resilient and smile quite often.  We are the only ones aware of their imperfections... maybe they are the "perfect ones".
You are all going too far over something stupid... Heck I could take that picture as a compliment to the President... it is all in the way you look at it... God bless you all  Ree~~~
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Tom K on Oct 14th, 2004, 9:49pm

on 10/14/04 at 18:10:45, BlueMeanie wrote:
Would you elect a handicap to be president of the United States ?


Been there, done that...3 times...


T
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 14th, 2004, 9:53pm

on 10/14/04 at 15:04:21, thomas wrote:
How many of you made fun of Hypnotic Freddy when He got upset for being called a retard?  


You are correct Thomas, and I'm pretty sure there was a discussion afterward about possibly refraining from its further usage based upon a fair consensus of sufficient empathy and sensitivity.
But then Svenn tried get us to quit using "troll" and that didn't stick so well.    :)


Kevin M
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Sean_C on Oct 14th, 2004, 10:17pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:42:19, Gator wrote:
I have worked with the athletes during the Special Olympics for many years.  I find absolutely nothing funny about making fun of the children and adults that give their all in the events.  I find it extremely distasteful and disgusting that someone could use them in this manner.

Gator


I have a child with some disabilities, ask me how I feel :(
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Sean_C on Oct 14th, 2004, 10:56pm
Ya know I was kinda feelin bad reading this thread, just the thought of maybe someone laughing or teasing my son busts my heart wide open. Funny part is no-one was speaking of him personally, although somehow I was affected by it. I'll have to work on that.  

Love to all

Sean............................
Title: i dunno
Post by rumplestiltskin on Oct 14th, 2004, 10:57pm
why i am replying to this thread? Maybe just to have my name on the world wide web. Maybe just to let someone know i am a part of this group. i can write anything i want and you will read it....you just did. what good or evil have i done?

i have used 20 seconds of yer life....and said nothing.

love
den
Title: Re: i dunno
Post by Donna_D. on Oct 14th, 2004, 11:16pm

on 10/14/04 at 22:57:13, rumplestiltskin wrote:
i have used 20 seconds of yer life....and said nothing.

love
den




HEY...I want a refund!!  ;)  



DD
Title: Re: i dunno
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 14th, 2004, 11:37pm

on 10/14/04 at 22:57:13, rumplestiltskin wrote:
why i am replying to this thread?....

....i have used 20 seconds of yer life....and said nothing.



Career in politics Den.   ;)
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by K-9 on Oct 15th, 2004, 3:07am
Den, that was the first and only thing I have openly laughed at on this whole thread!!  Thanks. [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by BobG on Oct 15th, 2004, 4:19am
Den, you said a great deal but remaing quiet. Thank you.

Say Hi to Adam for us that know and love him.
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by Ree on Oct 15th, 2004, 1:03pm

on 10/14/04 at 22:56:42, Sean_C wrote:
Ya know I was kinda feelin bad reading this thread, just the thought of maybe someone laughing or teasing my son busts my heart wide open. Funny part is no-one was speaking of him personally, although somehow I was affected by it. I'll have to work on that.  

Love to all

Sean............................

Don't ever apologize for venting your soul to us here on the MB.... you are here for everyone... a wonderful supporter father and husband.  You have a beautiful family.  If anyone was to make fun of anyone with a disability, it would break my heart also.  You have nothing to work on dear friend... God bless...........ree
Title: Re: Disgusting beyond belief
Post by john_d on Oct 15th, 2004, 1:58pm
I have a twin brother with cp.  I grew up being very protective of him but it never really helped.  The best favor anyone could have done both of us is to teach us to deal with immature people in a way that does not bring us down to their level.  My advice to you shaun and others is to ignore it, avoid it, self-protect of course, and label it 'immaturity', but not to dwell on it or try to attack it.  That only empowers it.  

The kind of cruelty that you guys are talking about is most common among children and teenagers and it affects everybody.   My brother got it, I got it, and YOU ALL got it too.

               


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