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(Message started by: floridian on Oct 13th, 2004, 4:21pm)
Title: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by floridian on Oct 13th, 2004, 4:21pm
WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 /U.S. Newswire/

79 Percent of Economists in an independent poll call Bush economic policies "Bad or Very Bad." In an informal poll of economists chosen at random from the American Economic Review, a prestigious economics journal, fewer than 20 percent gave positive ratings to his second term agenda. On fiscal discipline, 79 percent of economists favored Kerry while only 18 percent favored Bush. (Economist, 10/9/04)

368 Republican Economists Unable to Say Even One Positive Thing About George Bush's Economic Record or Plan. Today the Bush-Cheney campaign released a letter signed by 368 economists. The remarkable thing about the letter is that these Republican economists were unable to say a single positive thing about George Bush's economic record or his economic policy. Even Republican economists know that George Bush's tax cuts have not delivered on HIS promise to create six million new jobs, and that he is the first president in 72 years to lose jobs during his term.

10 Nobel Economists Endorse John Kerry; Call Bush Policies "Reckless and Extreme." Ten Nobel Prize winning economists endorsed John Kerry for President in an open letter to the American public on August 25, 2004. Their letter stated that Bush's economic policies "endangers the long-term economic health of our nation." And that "The differences between President Bush and John Kerry with respect to leadership on the economy are wider than in any other Presidential election in our experience." (Open Letter to the American Public, 8/25/04; MSNBC, 8/25/04)

The Ten:

George A. Akerlof: University of California at Berkeley 2001
Kenneth J. Arrow: Stanford University 1972
Daniel Kahneman: Princeton University 2002
Lawrence R. Klein: University of Pennsylvania 1980
Daniel L. McFadden: University of California at Berkeley 2000
Douglass C. North: Washington University St. Louis 1993
Paul A. Samuelson: MIT 1970
William F. Sharpe: Stanford University 1990
Robert M. Solow: MIT 1987
Joseph E. Stiglitz: Columbia University 2001

http://www.usnewswire.com/
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Prense on Oct 13th, 2004, 4:25pm
Did I mention lately that Kerry is an idiot?

;;D
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by floridian on Oct 13th, 2004, 4:28pm

on 10/13/04 at 16:25:49, Prense wrote:
Did I mention lately that Kerry is an idiot?

;;D


You did, but the question was not "is kerry an idiot?" - it was "which idiot will manage the economy better?"

;)
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Prense on Oct 13th, 2004, 4:36pm
He's a Master deBater too!   ;;D

Our economy will continue to perish I am sad to say.  Taxes are not the only tool utilized for "adjusting" the economy.  Actually, I believe interest rates are the weapon of choice.  Oh well, time to sell out of the stock market.

Chris
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Jimmy_B on Oct 13th, 2004, 5:34pm
I didn't need an independent study to tell me that...used to work one job and got along great now working two full-time jobs & trying to constantly play catch-up.

My retirement has gone down the crapper in the short time the pubs have controlled Washington.

and yeah they're both idiots...but georgie is the King of Idiots & needs to go by by. If being an idiot stopped someone from becoming President...we would've been without a President since 1968.

Wave byby georgie :) http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_furiousgeorge.jpg
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by alleyoop on Oct 13th, 2004, 6:35pm

on 10/13/04 at 16:28:05, floridian wrote:
"which idiot will manage the economy better?"

;)

That's a double edged sword. What economy are we talking about if the terrorists get their way and Kerry is voted in?

........................alley
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by floridian on Oct 14th, 2004, 9:55am

on 10/13/04 at 18:35:16, alleyoop wrote:
That's a double edged sword. What economy are we talking about if the terrorists get their way and Kerry is voted in?

........................alley


I realize that the War Against Democrats is more important to some people than the War Against Terror, but Sun Tzu would not reccomend that people who don't understand the Middle East or Islam play "What would Osama Do."  The idea is to understand the enemy, not to fabricate ideas about the enemy for domestic politics.  There is no evidence that Al Qaeda wants Kerry elected, while there is evidence that Qaeda benefits from the unpopularity of Bush in the Middle East.  


Quote:
Addressing Bush, it said: "We know that a heavyweight operation would destroy your government, and this is what we don't want. We are not going to find a bigger idiot than you." The statement said Abu Hafs al-Masri needs what it called Bush's "idiocy and religious fanaticism" because they would "wake up" the Islamic world. Comparing Bush with his Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry, the statement tells the president, "Actually, there is no difference between you and Kerry, but Kerry will kill our community, while it is unaware, because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish infidelity and present it to the Arab and Islamic community as civilization."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114489,00.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/510898.html


Who was it that:

Quote:
   * Spent the first nine months of his administration worrying about missile defense and ignoring warnings from Richard Clarke and others that al Qaeda was preparing a spectacular attack. One month before September 11, got a briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Did nothing.

   * Called the war on terror a "crusade," infuriating people across the Muslim world who understand the term to mean a battle between Christianity and Islam – just as bin Laden defines the struggle.

   * Had bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora, then dithered around with local Afghani surrogates while bin Laden escaped.

   * Pulled resources out of Afghanistan to send them to Iraq, letting bin Laden relax. First said he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive," then said, "I truly am not that concerned about him."

   * Strained relations with America's European allies to the breaking point, making international cooperation in tracking down al Qaeda more difficult.

   * Deceived his population and the world about the alleged threat from an Arab country to justify a war broadly seen as an imperialist act. Among the results of that war are images of Arabs being tortured by American soldiers, the greatest propaganda gift al Qaeda has ever received.

   * Turned anti-American feeling in the Muslim world from something that was common to something that is near-universal, making it easier for al Qaeda to operate in any number of countries.
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Bob P on Oct 14th, 2004, 10:32am
Read a couple days ago where this year's Nobel prize winner in Economics said that Bush's tax cut didn't go far enough.  Should have been bigger.

Only in America, where the top 20% of wage earners pay 80% of the tax dollars, would the other 80% complain that the rich are getting all the breaks!
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by vig on Oct 14th, 2004, 10:53am

on 10/14/04 at 10:32:44, Bob P wrote:
Only in America, where the top 20% of wage earners pay 80% of the tax dollars, would the other 80% complain that the rich are getting all the breaks!


Just curious, not a taunt, How much of the total income is earned by the 20%?  Is it 80%?  Then it would be fair, right?  Just asking.
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Prense on Oct 14th, 2004, 11:01am

on 10/14/04 at 10:53:21, vig wrote:
Just curious, not a taunt, How much of the total income is earned by the 20%?  Is it 80%?  Then it would be fair, right?  Just asking.


I have no idea Vig, but I would not be surprised if it is actually more than 80%.

*edited*
I still do not see where it makes it fair though...
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by vig on Oct 14th, 2004, 11:05am
That would make it flat.
Everybody pays the same rate, the incentive is still there to earn more money.
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Prense on Oct 14th, 2004, 11:08am
I misread what you said.  In that case, I would say that you are correct...
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Charlie on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:29pm

Quote:
Did I mention lately that Kerry is an idiot?
I guess you did but George has carried stupid to new levels. Here he was stomping around Kabul looking for bin Laden. Just about a guaranteed re-election. Then he and his testosterone-soaked advisors told him how cool it would be to complete what daddy knew was a mistake 10 years before. Who gets blamed for this little slipup? You, me, Congress, Democrats, allies, Iraqi politicians...everybody but Bush has to take responsibility.

Dumbth.

Those top 20% of taxpaying "patriots"are taxed on paper but not very successfully when they get their mail in Aruba.

Charlie
Title: Re: It's the Economy - (not CH)
Post by Prense on Oct 14th, 2004, 12:36pm

on 10/14/04 at 12:29:21, Charlie wrote:
Then he and his testosterone-soaked advisors told him how cool it would be to complete what daddy knew was a mistake 10 years before.


Oh, I forgot how well ole Billy handled the situation.   ::)

Yeah, it was probably a mistake to remove such a wonderful dictator from Iraq.  We should have given him more time so he could develop his nuclear technology and invade another neighboring country.  At least then we would have faced something challenging.

Chris


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