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(Message started by: Ree on Oct 6^th, 2004, 7:32pm)

Title: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Ree on Oct 6^th, 2004, 7:32pm

IF I UNINSTALL MY INTERNET EXPLORER... HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD IT BACK IN AFTER.........? EVEN AOL NEEDS THE IE TO RUN OR SHOULD I INSTALL SOMETHING ELSE FIRST............TELL ME WHAT TO DO... I BEG OF YOU IN CAPITAL LETTERS......... LOVE REE

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Sean_C on Oct 6^th, 2004, 7:36pm

There is a way, I just don't know what it is. I had to do that before and I went on Microsofts 900 pay by the minute tech support and it took about 2 minutes for them to fix it.

Call me if you need me to screw your computer up some more ;;D I definately suck LOL

Sean..................

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Ree on Oct 6^th, 2004, 7:42pm

NO THANKS SEAN LOVE YA LIKE A BROTHER BUT... GOT ENOUGH PROBLEMS... MY PUTER IS MY BEST FRIEND AND IF I LOSE IT OR IT BLOWS UP~ I MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE UP NEEDLE POINT... LOVE YA BUDDY REE

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by vig on Oct 6^th, 2004, 7:44pm

www.netscape.com...?

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Opus on Oct 6^th, 2004, 8:08pm

even better www.linux.org

IE cannot be uninstalled easily, if you are trapped on the AOL train, try hard to find the brake cord so you can get off. AOL's bloatware uses IE which is funny because they own Netscape and aren't smart enough to use it. Someday someone will find a practical use for those Cd's that come in the mail, until then I will keep the cases ( the last one was a wood hinged box) and throw the disks away.

Ree, Sorry I can't help, except go to MS site, and download the IE installer and get the latest, then get the patches. If that doesn't work I'll send you a copy of SUSE/Novel 9.1 personal addition, it should have winmodem support better than winXP but you will have to get a real ISP.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Pegase on Oct 6^th, 2004, 8:15pm

What is your problem exactly Ree... First thing... before uninstalling IE make sure you have a back up copy of the program... then uninstall it... then reinstall... Hope it helps ;)

Pegase

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 6^th, 2004, 8:23pm

Isn't there an IE setup app on the AOL disks? You should be able to install it back with that. Or you can get IE6 SP1 from the Micro$oft website (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e1550cb-5e5d-48f5-b02b-20b602228de6&DisplayLang=en) Not 100% certain if you need to install anything else though, because I haven't been lucky enough to get IE to go away on my system.

PFDAN................................ Drk^Angel

P.S. You could also try going to 'Start > Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs > Add/Remove Windows Components' and see if it gives you the option to reinstall it.

DA

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Opus on Oct 6^th, 2004, 8:31pm

DRK, This (http://www.litepc.com/) is how I used to remove IE, now it's a pain to install so why bother.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 6^th, 2004, 8:54pm

I used that once when I was still usin' 98, but since movin' to 2k/XP I've given up on fightin' with it. When I finally phase my system over to linux, I won't have to worry about it anymore anyways... :P

PFDAN................................... Drk^Angel

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Opus on Oct 6^th, 2004, 9:38pm

DRK,
I gave up that fight too, It's no use fighting with Windows when Linux makes everything so easy.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by don on Oct 6^th, 2004, 9:56pm

Oh my eyes/ Oh my head. The CAPS the CAPS. Moe, Larry the cheese!

I think if you just download again it will over write the existing files and replace what may have been lost.

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by purpleydog on Oct 6^th, 2004, 9:57pm

on 10/06/04 at 20:54:16, Drk^Angel wrote:

You got that right, Drk. I haven't looked back. Ree, go to msn.com and make sure you can get it before you uninstall. Better yet, go to http://mozilla.org. and download Firefox. Then get rid of AOL and IE. You won't regret it.

pd

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Pegase on Oct 6^th, 2004, 10:35pm

Firefox is a great one and very fast... I.E. is still use by 90%+ of web users though... I.E. has lost a few % since Firefox and others mozilla engine browsers arrived on the market...

Ree any feedback for us [smiley=huh.gif]

Pegase

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Renee on Oct 6^th, 2004, 10:49pm

Ree,

What are the issues you are having with ie?

If you will go to add/delete programs in control panel and select ie to remove it will then give you a prompt to either remove or repair....well, depends upon what version you are using, i believe.

Try it and see if a repair option shows up. If not, let us know. What version of ie are you using? version of os?

good luck
renee

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Donna_D. on Oct 6^th, 2004, 11:21pm

on 10/06/04 at 21:38:02, Opus wrote:

DRK,
I gave up that fight too, It's no use fighting with Windows when Linux makes everything so easy.

Opus/Paul

I think I just stepped in Penguin Poo .....

;)

DD

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by rubberplant on Oct 7^th, 2004, 7:16am

Ree,

my two penny's worth.

I have it on good faith that on a windows machine IE opens your computer right up to anybody that wants a look. a bit worrying if you have EVER bought something over the internet.

I agree, firefox, mozilla or opera. that's the way forward.

Firefox is the nicest to use.

James

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Giovanni on Oct 7^th, 2004, 8:58am

Here are instructions of reinstalling windows IE:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/repair_reinstall_ie_and_oe_6.htm

John

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by fubar on Oct 7^th, 2004, 11:15am

Gawd... I HATE being put in the position of defending the evil empire, but you guys need to get a grip...

First of all, a lot of users are switching to non-IE browsers. The latest market share numbers indicate that IE has slipped from 95% market share to a pathetic 94%. That's 94 out of 100 for those of you who don't understand math.

Secondly, to imply that IE automatically opens up your computer for the world to see... well that's sheer nonsense.

Look, the bottom line is this... any operating system that holds over 90% market share is going to get at least 90% of the attention from hackers, so it stands to reason that you'll see exploits released on a regular basis. The updates you get for Windows don't come any faster or more often than for Linux systems, they just affect more people and make more news. I have several Linux and BSD systems that I update *constantly*, but that's just a fact of life.

Furthermore, to suggest to *average* users to install a linux OS... well, that's a can of worms. Most of the users who have been fed all of the FEAR around windows and have the desire to 'switch' are nowhere near the capability to deal with an OS that has things like RPMs and such to update it. Only a few of the linux OS's have anything like an automatic update system (Redhat is cool) but most require pretty advanced knowledge and awareness of when/how to update. It is not the kind of thing to drop on the average end user.

If you keep IE and Windows up to date, you should be fine. Of course, you want/need to run additional software like a personal firewall and virus scanner, and maybe a spyware sweeper like X-Cleaner on a regular basis. None of my Windows systems have been compromised in the last 5 years. Several of my linux OS's have been hacked, but that's because I failed to understand the impact of installing certain packages and failed to do DAILY searches for updates for them.

There's just no need to constantly throw Windows under the bus when, for the most part, the hacked Windows systems are due to lack of diligence on the user's part. We'll never have a 'secure' OS. We need security-aware users.

-Shawn

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Kirk on Oct 7^th, 2004, 11:34am

OK. Grab yer towel and DON'T PANIC. Just install the latest version of Mozilla (the mother of all browsers) AOL gets along with it famously. They even give Mozilla a few million dollers (US) a year. Just don't use IE as your default web browser. Ever.
You can acquire Mozilla from the secret site http://mozilla.org
Just leave out the WWW when you type in the address and you'll go rite there. Handy huh.
If you still need yer AOL e-mail etc. and wish to stop all this nonsense. Take Paul up on his offer of a SuSE Linux install.
Hell I still talk to folks on AOL and I don't really know how to use Microsoft windows.
AOL fergets to mention that you don't need AOL or IE to use their e-mail or messenging service. Well I don't anyway. Too complicated and I might spill my beer.

YMMV

Kirk (Too stupid to use MS)

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by brain_cramps on Oct 7^th, 2004, 1:56pm

Great post Shawn!

grant

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Mark C on Oct 7^th, 2004, 2:30pm

Hya Ree,

Older version of IE can be found...for free....

For Win9X {95 & 98} look here (http://mp3downloadhq.com/link.asp?s=http://www.oldversion.com/downloadx/msie302w95.exe),

for NT and later look here (http://mp3downloadhq.com/link.asp?s=http://www.oldversion.com/downloadx/msie302wnt.exe)

Download it to your desktop and run it from there. Then you can (gasp) update it if needed.

Let me know if you have trouble.

Safe surfing,
Mark

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Opus on Oct 7^th, 2004, 4:13pm

on 10/07/04 at 11:15:15, fubar wrote:

Secondly, to imply that IE automatically opens up your computer for the world to see... well that's sheer nonsense.

Actually the small increase in alternate browsers came after CERT basically declared IE a risk to national security. Sorry, can't find the link, and CERT is to full of IE exploits to look there.

on 10/07/04 at 11:15:15, fubar wrote:

Look, the bottom line is this... any operating system that holds over 90% market share is going to get at least 90% of the attention from hackers,

You of all people should know the difference between Hackers (people who write software, fix software and find security holes) and Crackers ( the people who write viruses and root kits to exploit security holes)

on 10/07/04 at 11:15:15, fubar wrote:

Furthermore, to suggest to *average* users to install a linux OS... well, that's a can of worms. Most of the users who have been fed all of the FEAR around windows and have the desire to 'switch' are nowhere near the capability to deal with an OS that has things like RPMs and such to update it. Only a few of the linux OS's have anything like an automatic update system (Redhat is cool) but most require pretty advanced knowledge and awareness of when/how to update. It is not the kind of thing to drop on the average end user.

Have you used any modern Linux distro lately? On the ones I use you put in a CD or DVD and it ask you if you want to play it and does, plug a camera into it and a folder pops up with your pictures in it. SUSE has even gotten better than Redhat/fedora. Want to install a new program, download the RPM even a source code or one from another distro, click on it, you are asked for your root password and the program installs. Yes there are dependence problems sometimes and you can't install, but even windows has that problem. Also there are are programs that come in a tarball, like a zip file in windows, you unpack, click on the install file and everything is done for you. And to top it off, it runs well on a PII.

For me, the choice to use Linux was because I wanted to be able do things that I could not in Windows, Now it's because I'm lazy and don't want to fight my computer anymore. It looks like SUSE is the winner for the easy to use and install Linux for the average user. With the amount of email I get from people asking how to fix problems they are having with WinXP it looks like Microsoft has yet to produce a product that the average user can work with problem free. And FYI I can't help these people because WinXP is beyond my understanding.

on 10/07/04 at 11:15:15, fubar wrote:

None of my Windows systems have been compromised in the last 5 years. Several of my linux OS's have been hacked, but that's because I failed to understand the impact of installing certain packages and failed to do DAILY searches for updates for them.

Wow, that's bad, I assume you don't run in root, always use strong passwords, and use the delay after 3 password failures to limit dictionary attacks. Fortunately for the average, user Linux comes with most services turned off, and a tight firewall. Yes any system can be cracked. I also consider a computer with spyware running a compromised system.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by brain_cramps on Oct 7^th, 2004, 6:49pm

on 10/07/04 at 16:13:37, Opus wrote:

Actually the small increase in alternate browsers came after CERT basically declared IE a risk to national security. Sorry, can't find the link, and CERT is to full of IE exploits to look there.

Paul:

Soon after the "risk to national security" was announced, it was corrected to state that "users might consider using a different browser temporarily".

Want a link? ::)

on 10/07/04 at 16:13:37, Opus wrote:

I'm sure you know what is meant by that statement. I really think you are barking up the wrong tree on this one.

on 10/07/04 at 16:13:37, Opus wrote:

For me, the choice to use Linux was because I wanted to be able do things that I could not in Windows...

(This should be good!) and what kind of weird and wonderful shit were you trying to do?

on 10/07/04 at 16:13:37, Opus wrote:

...With the amount of email I get from people asking how to fix problems they are having with WinXP it looks like Microsoft has yet to produce a product that the average user can work with problem free. And FYI I can't help these people because WinXP is beyond my understanding...

These people have MUCH bigger problems than computer problems if they are asking you to fix their computer problems. If they dont, they will soon! You already said there were things you couldn't do in Windows. I imagine "fixing" it would be one of them.

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Jonny on Oct 7^th, 2004, 7:08pm

LMMFAO......Grant ;;D

..............................................jonny

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Mr. Happy on Oct 7^th, 2004, 7:11pm

Yo Ree......

LoOk At WhAt YoU StArTeD, aNd We StIlL dOn'T KnOw WhY yOu'Re DoInG tHiS!

Kirk's the default referee in this boxing match. Don't matter to me what OS is best, as long as there's plenty of cheap sex to go around. Cheesus........

Git `em, cuz,
RJ

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Opus on Oct 7^th, 2004, 7:34pm

on 10/07/04 at 18:49:47, brain_cramps wrote:

Thanks for the laugh Grant, I got hit bad last night, and I am feelin very depressed all the time. Your replies are always make me want to fight anouther day. See you on slashdot, you cracker. Hey I got Mode points, make me your friend.

Shawn,
Sorry I replied to you like that, but I had too becouse I knew Grant was watching and I needed a pick me up. Love ya and keep the faith.

Opus/Paul

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Drk^Angel on Oct 7^th, 2004, 7:47pm

on 10/07/04 at 16:13:37, Opus wrote:

Not all crackers are hackers, but some hackers are crackers, and not all hackers are crackers, but some crackers are hackers... But script kiddies virii writers are neither... Even crackers can have honor and ethics, but lamers have neither.

PFDAN.......................................... Drk^Angel

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by fubar on Oct 7^th, 2004, 7:53pm

on 10/07/04 at 19:47:05, Drk^Angel wrote:

I do know the difference, and Drk speaks the truth.

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by fubar on Oct 7^th, 2004, 8:02pm

Paul, no worries man, I don't take this as a religious argument. I just don't think there is a consumer ready version of *anything* that will keep users safe.

CERT Did say that IE was a problem and that people should move to less-problematic browsers. Now, if Netscape's browser was the dominant browser with 95% market share, you would see the exact same announcement except it would single out Netscape. The fact is, there is a lot of incentive to compromise the browser that people use because it is the bad guy's window into your application space. IE is the natural target now, not because it is horribly coded (it is) but because it is the one most people use. Regardless of how easy/hard it is to find and exploit a weakness in it, the same results would be had from *any of the browsers out there if they became the dominant browser.

I do know the difference between a hacker and a cracker and I didn't mean to perpetuate the notion that hackers are bad guys (they aren't). It just semantics; you obviously knew what I meant as did just about everybody who read it (I would assume). My comment on the whole OS war is this... if you suck at securing your Windows system, chances are pretty damn good you'll suck at securing your Linux system. And regardless of what system you end up with, you have to deal with updates and security risks. Today, most consumers (not techies) just want the thing to work, and by 'work' I mean they want to buy the software that appeals to them and have it work on their system. The average consumer isn't going to be satisfied with, "Oh you can't exactly run Photoshop on Linux, but you can find all kinds of other packages that might do what you need, or you can buy Crossover Office and emulate Windows (egads) on Linux". No. A far better approach, in my opinion, is to show them how to operate their systems with some responsibility and diligence. I push Linux on my friends who have just an unnatural fear of change but who are technically savvy enough to jump in the pool. I just don't think there is an honestly consumer-ready distro yet, although SUSE from Novell is really starting to look like a contender.

I have used many of the new distributions, including many Live CDs that are extremely useful. I know what I want, where to get it, how to change it, how to create my own Live CD, and so on. I use IPCop for a firewall/VPN and ImmunixOS a lot. I have a commercial installation of RedHat at a company that needs a tremendous amount of security and performance. I have found that Linux Live CDs are a great way to get my old systems back into the game with acceptable performance. IPCop runs fine on a slooooooow PII with a couple of NICs.

All that being said, I think most users are better off with Windows simply because of the availability of applications. The ubiquity of the platform makes it the obvious choice for the simple consumer. However, I would like to see things change. I would like to see (and we are, finally) Windows shipping without so many damn open ports and services waiting to be exploited. I would like to see *real* competition in the marketplace forcing Microsoft to shape up (and we are seeing it, almost)

And no slamming Slashdot. I practically live there.

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Jonny on Oct 7^th, 2004, 8:12pm

So after all this crap that I have had to read (Half of it I have NFI what it means)

Whats better....Win or Linx?

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by fubar on Oct 7^th, 2004, 8:38pm

Jonny, that's a great question, but the answer is 'it depends'. It really depends what you want out of a computer. If what you want is to browse the web, even a simple LiveCD of Linux is probably enough. If you want to run a business, maybe you need a particular application that only runs on Windows... it really depends.

In both cases though, you simply must learn how to secure it and keep it up to date. That's the key. Windows is pretty easy to update and secure if you are diligent about it. Same with Linux, but there are fewer people around who are willing or able to help you learn.

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by john_d on Oct 7^th, 2004, 8:48pm

on 10/07/04 at 20:12:20, Jonny wrote:

So after all this crap that I have had to read (Half of it I have NFI what it means)

Whats better....Win or Linx?

I like linux, but Windows XP is actually better for the end user. It's much more user-friendly and Windows XP plug 'n play finds almost every piece of hardware I throw at it, and I throw alot of wierd things at it. Linux is time-consuming to configure right even for an advanced user. And most of the software that is packaged with it seems to be designed by geeks for geeks. No offence to geeks, but there all different types out there.

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Jonny on Oct 7^th, 2004, 8:55pm

Thanks, Shawn

...................................jonny

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Pegase on Oct 7^th, 2004, 9:39pm

on 10/07/04 at 20:48:10, john_d wrote:

Best answer to date... realistically true ;)

Pegase

Title: Re: PUTER GEEK?#2 WARNING CAPS!!!!!
Post by Opus on Oct 8^th, 2004, 7:52am

on 10/07/04 at 20:02:58, fubar wrote:

And no slamming Slashdot. I practically live there.

Shawn,
I don't see how you thought I was slamming Slashdot. I used to spend way to much time there but learned a lot. They were giving me Mod points everyday, which I thought was very strange, but maybe it is was a error. I still read it and even read at -1 even when I have no points. Off to Mod /. if there is a good story. I would even Mod Grant up if he makes a good point.

Opus/Paul