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Title: Veep Debate... Post by vig on Oct 5th, 2004, 10:13pm Anybody watching Cheney/Edwards? |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by notseinfeld on Oct 5th, 2004, 10:32pm Been listening---sounds to me like my Cheney's taking the lad to school. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Ree on Oct 5th, 2004, 11:00pm Me thinks I will exit stage left on this one... I feel a debate of a different kind coming up... Politics bring out the beast in people............ ree |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Melissa on Oct 5th, 2004, 11:09pm on 10/05/04 at 22:13:35, vig wrote:
I thought it was pretty good. Cheney is very good speaker but I was surprised I didn't see more out of Edwards. He seemed to repeat himself a lot. Was fun! I haven't been this interested in politics in a loooooooooong time. ;;D Someone slap me.... :P |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Mr. Happy on Oct 5th, 2004, 11:11pm I tried. I really tried. That Cheney fellow's a slick one. So is the other guy. They both kept saying each others facts and figures were entirely wrong. Politics in it's finest flower. Didn't wait for the news team scoring and results. That would have ruined the moment. It was like free visual Valium, RJ |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Jimi on Oct 5th, 2004, 11:11pm [smiley=argue.gif] |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by stevegeebe on Oct 5th, 2004, 11:22pm John...I am you father.... nnnooooooooooooooooooo! Steve G |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by eddie on Oct 5th, 2004, 11:30pm Dick ran away with that one! ;) Replubicans- 1 ;;D Democrats - 1 :P all tied up Bush is up next |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Charlie on Oct 6th, 2004, 12:29am Watch it? Sorta. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/faq.gif http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/slap.gif http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/smilepoint.gif Couldn't really tell you who was better. Doesn't matter here. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/red mad.gif |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by floridian on Oct 6th, 2004, 9:56am I thought Cheney was somewhat better than Edwards - not a route, though. Edwards was better on domestic issues, especially healthcare. And why did Cheney suggest people visit www.factcheck.com to get the truth? Has he seen that site?? |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Bob P on Oct 6th, 2004, 10:22am In a political discussion a while back, someone commented on Bush reinstating the draft. Here's a link to an article re the GOP defeating the democratic bill to reinstate the draft. http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/1004/100604-draft.htm BTW - Chaney mispoke, he meant www.factcheck.org not .com .com is run by a rich left winger |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by john_d on Oct 6th, 2004, 10:29am on 10/06/04 at 10:22:00, Bob P wrote:
yeah it's George Soros, currency speculator, country wrecker and W's sworn enemy. ol' Cheney must have been rapping himself sternly across his bald head over that one. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by toolong on Oct 6th, 2004, 10:30am The VP took Edwards to school???He's been taking our money to fund a Vietnam just to line his own pockets with$$.I think before we vote we all need to go to school :PDavid |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by vig on Oct 6th, 2004, 10:32am CHeney still has some serious explaining to do regarding Halliburton. It's shameless that it still continues. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by notseinfeld on Oct 6th, 2004, 10:41am Let's put Halliburton to rest---it's a non-issue really and I'll point out these quickies for the short-attention-span-theatre folks: The Kerry/Edwards campaign likes to talk about the supposed "no-bid contracts" that Halliburton got in Iraq. They insinuate that Dick Cheney greased the skids at the Defense Department so that he could line the pockets of his buddies at his former company. That is false, and the Democrats know it. Consider these facts: * The supposed "no-bid contracts" took no bids because Halliburton was the only company capable of providing the services needed at the time. No other bids were taken because no other company could do the work. The congress has passed specific laws that allow for the granting of no-bid contracts during emergencies. Somehow Edwards forgot to mention this, and he forgot to mention Halliburton was also awarded no-bid contracts by the Clinton administration. * Edwards and Kerry also imply that Dick Cheney is getting money from these Halliburton contracts. The fact is that any money Cheney received from Halliburton was for work he performed before he ran for vice president. The truth hurts, and Edwards was working very hard last night to avoid any pain. Now, there are plenty of reasons not to vote Republican (more to not vote for a Democrat) but the Halliburton deal is just not one of them. Perhaps the people blinded with anti-Bush sentiment would have preferred a French company or those bunker-busting Germans to have the contract? How about we let the anti-American UN who stole the money in the Oil-for-Food program decide who is allowed to work and who not? |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by vig on Oct 6th, 2004, 10:49am I'm not in the Kerry camp but this is still a conflict of interest. It's an integrity issue for CHeney and he's never cleared himself. Time will tell where CHeney goes to work after he's out of office. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by StueyStu on Oct 6th, 2004, 11:02am I certainly didn't feel like Cheney took anyone to school. His whole persona to me bespeaks lies. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Bob P on Oct 6th, 2004, 11:11am Quote:
How does this relate to Chaney/Hiliburton? Based on the committees findings trade was opened with Viet Nam and the first contract for $900 million plus went to a company CEOed by Karry's cousin! Then again, this may just have been the communists way of thanking Kerry for helping them win the war. Quote:
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Racer1_NC on Oct 6th, 2004, 11:15am on 10/05/04 at 22:13:35, vig wrote:
Damn Vig, You just had to go start some shit didn't ya? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by don on Oct 6th, 2004, 11:31am Edwards needs to drop the "Opie" persona and quit playing grab ass with Kerry. Currently our country is being run by a Bush, a Dick, and a Colin. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by vig on Oct 6th, 2004, 11:38am "Damn Vig, You just had to go start some shit didn't ya?" it was my turn.... That's the beauty of this country. We get to have the open discussion and everybody gets to voice their opinions, right or wrong, and there's no fear of reprisals. Sure, you can still make an ass of yourself in public, but you don't just disappear if you're against the 'King'. And Bob's right. Kerry's got major problems too. It's a shame that our system works this way. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by jminmilwaukee on Oct 6th, 2004, 12:31pm Quote:
Yes, I would much prefer the contract be funneled to the french owned islands for tax avoidance ::) Perhaps the VP's former employer would not have been the only chioce if we had not pissed off the entire planet and told our "allies" to not even bother to apply. :o Besides, the dems want to open up the Canadian drug pipe which should be plenty good reason for our uninsured, unemployed clusterheads to vote for a change? Jmin - Agrees with Vig that your opinion counts, even if you are with blinded by the Bush rhetoric. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Charlie on Oct 6th, 2004, 12:54pm I love the way the neocons send us so-called intellectual elite to crank websites read stuff not worthy of young children. George Soros is far from a country wrecker. Neither is Warren Buffet, another billionaire who doesn't think much of Bush. The country wreckers occupy the White House and have done a bang up job. Health care, education, and John Ashcroft are all you need. I shudder to think of the devastation of four more years with no re-election worries will be like. GOP ads sanctioned by the White House are sending mailings to Christians in West Virginia stating that if you don't vote for George Bush, the Democrats will ban the bible. Stuff like this is why I had to leave the GOP. Distraction, distration, distration. They are masters at this. The world is not a cartoon. It needs rational critical thinkers. It would be nice to have a President who cracked a book now and then but he has to wait for them on tape. Reading isn't his forte, as he proudly admits. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by eddie on Oct 6th, 2004, 1:19pm http://www.geocities.com/ed386948/saddam.jpg why was this leader hiding in a hole cause he was up to no good [BASTARD] i just hope we can get out these weapons can be any where they had SOME, now they dont |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by floridian on Oct 6th, 2004, 2:02pm on 10/06/04 at 13:19:23, eddie wrote:
You can relax, Eddie. WASHINGTON Oct. 6, 2004 — Undercutting the Bush's administration's rationale for invading Iraq, the final report of the chief U.S. arms inspector concludes that Saddam Hussein did not vigorously pursue a program to develop weapons of mass destruction after international inspectors left Baghdad in 1998, according to lawmakers and others briefed on the report. In drafts, weapons hunter Charles Duelfer concluded that Saddam's Iraq had no stockpiles of the banned weapons but said he found signs of idle programs that Saddam could have revived if international attention had waned. http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20041006_981.html |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by don on Oct 6th, 2004, 2:22pm I would also question the validity of that photo. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by eddie on Oct 6th, 2004, 2:24pm im relaxed i dont think usa had anything to worry about with iraq but its those under the table working to destroy us. radical muslem believe we all should be dead. i wish the world could just get along, hey i have that one before. i just hope this doesnt turn in to veitnam i really do. But there is bad people everywhere and i dont like usa being the worlds police. i went to amsterdam the day the war started. it had been planned for a while. well that 3rd day i was there we saw a war protest i was right in the middle of it even spoke to muslem folks not all are bad. nothing bad happend, i would love to be able to travel over there again. http://community.webshots.com/album/86787473gsUZjb/1 photos from war protest |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by eddie on Oct 6th, 2004, 2:48pm this was my source for the saddam photo the troops over there upload their photos here http://www.webshots.com/search?query=iraq+&tab=photos these look good you be the judge pretty wild stuff |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Jeepgun on Oct 6th, 2004, 2:55pm The photo and the story are real: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/07/samir_someone_y.html |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by JDH on Oct 6th, 2004, 2:56pm on 10/06/04 at 14:22:38, don wrote:
You mean that pic of Sadaam and Gregory Hines? Jim |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by jminmilwaukee on Oct 6th, 2004, 3:03pm Christ! I took a look at that link and gotta warn you. Do not go there unless you are prepared for a glimpse into hell on earth. Random page I pulled up had a photo of a child, my son's age, with both arms blown completly off. Speaking of debates, I think one thing both parties can agree upon is the sheer horror and unspeakable hellishness that is involved in war MUST BE AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS! Yeah Sadam was a bastard but the entire region was much more stable and a ton less grusome prior to our invasion. Hell, at least before the war we controlled two thirds of the country of Iraq! Nothin but chaos and death now. One last rant.....Bush wants to teach the Iraq people to fight for their own freedom....Is this not what the insurgents are currently doing? Jmin |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by kimh on Oct 6th, 2004, 3:07pm Better debate last nite. change my vote? Nope. Mr. Cheney is Walking Tall. Mr. Edwards can't seem to stop saying "jonh kerry" ;;D LOL. OY! Thanks Mr. Cheney. Not all of us are so easily confused by the munster machine |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by jminmilwaukee on Oct 6th, 2004, 3:24pm No offence intended but I for one had formed my own opinion quite some time ago based on facts. The facts do speak for themselves if one is willing to take a look at the big picture. nuff said. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by eddie on Oct 6th, 2004, 3:37pm http://community.webshots.com/photo/82057597/82061036FyzfLO take a look at this its not gross just curious |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Jeepgun on Oct 6th, 2004, 3:45pm on 10/06/04 at 15:03:38, jminmilwaukee wrote:
[smiley=huh.gif] Sorry, Jim. That makes NO sense, whatsoever. The "insurgents" have taught nothing except how to behead people by hand, blow up children, and then shoot the soldiers and civilians that run to help. Here's a good place to gain some perspective from some Iraqis' point of view, if you're at all interested: http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/ PFDAN, -Frank |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by JDH on Oct 6th, 2004, 3:53pm on 10/06/04 at 15:45:31, Jeepgun wrote:
there, that's better ;) OK, as you were. Jim |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by jminmilwaukee on Oct 6th, 2004, 3:58pm Yeah, no problem on the insurgents thing. The point I was trying to make was that our idea of freedom may not be what the people of Iraq truelly want. It was a rather lame way to go about making a point in retrospect. btw - jim, jammin, jminmil of jeff is fine (keeps em guessing) [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Jeepgun on Oct 6th, 2004, 4:03pm LOL... Sorry, Jeff. Sorry, Jim. If you read through the blog that I provided the link to, you'll find that majority of Iraqis WANT us there, and truly desire freedom. The thing is, Saddam's Ba'ath party has maintained an iron-fisted control over Iraq for three long decades. How to make the transition when most of the people in that nation have never known what freedom is? The war was easy to win. Winning the peace has been more problematic. Things ARE getting better and positive things are taking place. A friend of mine came back to the US for leave, a few months ago, and said that he was looking forward to going back. We talked at length about Iraq and about the Iraqi people. If we could turn the security over to the Iraqis and then move our forces to seal/maintain the borders, the "insurgents" would cease to be a problem. So many of the terrorists are NOT Iraqi citizens, and the people themselves are weary of the "heroic insurgency." |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by vig on Oct 6th, 2004, 4:31pm regarding fact checking for last night's debate: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6188565/ It apears neither candidate felt the burden of truth. ugh >:( |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Melissa on Oct 6th, 2004, 4:39pm there are 2 websites I really like and one of them is factcheck.org and another is spinsanity.com for some reason, I don't trust the mainstream media anymore :P |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by floridian on Oct 6th, 2004, 4:59pm on 10/06/04 at 16:03:39, Jeepgun wrote:
If you read the opinion polls done for the US government, 80% of the Iraqi population didn't want us there in May. My sense is that we haven't gained any popularity since. Quote:
A study conducted by Oxford Research International in June 2004 asked this question: Quote:
Maybe you meant that a majority of the Iraqis that contribute to the blog you mentioned want the US to stay?? Yeah, they want freedom, although their idea of it may be different than ours. Most people there are tired of the violence, who wouldn't be. But I think you are overestimating the warm fuzzy feelings that the average Iraqi has for US troops today. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Jeepgun on Oct 6th, 2004, 5:04pm You may be right, Floridian. Like anyone else, I can only go on what I read and what buddies of mine have told me. In many ways, I wish I were over there serving, right now. I was going to reenlist after 9/11, but my wife talked me out of it. *sigh* |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Melissa on Oct 6th, 2004, 5:34pm Floridian, Thank you for that link to the Oxford study. I have found a few things that surprised me, and yet found much of it to be heartening. It also shows just how different the middle eastern world IS to the western world. Almost like they're decades behind or perhaps just don't know how to deal with freedom because they haven't been exposed to it much... mel |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by floridian on Oct 6th, 2004, 7:13pm Its not all bad news. Most polls show that Iraqis were optimistic about their lives and the future. They don't necessary long for a federal system with a bicameral legislature, but they do want a government that is fair and responds to the people. I think the Kurds (~20 percent of Iraq) really do like us. They were protected from Saddam due to the US/UN no-fly zone, and they have developed a modern, relatively prosperous society. The Kurds are also afraid of bigger neighbors (Turkey, Iran), and they welcome the US presence as a stabilizing force. The Shiite Arabs (~50 - 60 %) don't hate us, but don't trust or like us. They are mostly sitting on their hands, waiting for democracy, as they have the numbers to dominate it. Al Sadr's position is a minority among Shiites, most of whom think he is a thug. Al Sistani is fairly moderate and doesn't want an Iranian style theocracy. The most common Shiite attitude is probably along the lines of "thank you for removing Saddam, we are ready to run our own country, please leave now." The Sunnis are most likely to hate us, most likely to feel threatened by the changes Iraq is undergoing, most likely to be in the insurgency or supportive of it. They dominated Iraq for the last 200 years, and democracy is as threatening to them as the end of Saddam. The Sunni clans are more likely to hold a grudge against the US and are inclined to feud. Of course, this is an oversimplification. Within these groups are some fanatics - ultranationalists, ultrafundamentalists. And there are Sunnis and Shiites that like the US. The foreign fighters are there to cause trouble and see no problem in making things worse for Iraqis if it makes things worse for the US. Jeepgun's idea about using the US to close off the borders makes sense - if a civil war can be avoided when the Iraqis deal with the internal matters. |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by Charlie on Oct 7th, 2004, 12:06am We broke Iraq; we bought it. It's happened before, many times. It happened to Britain. History is a bitsch. So now we have a united Muslim population that gets off renting beheading videos and have made it even more attractive for Muslim crackpots to recruit. Brilliant; Bush has united the terrorists and alienated our allies. Makes me long for Reagan. Make it personal: With Bush: Zero chance of keeping drug costs down and he will side with drug companies about Canadian shopping. Kerry: At least it won't get worse and he won't get in the way of letting your mom and dad cross the border to buy drugs. Add on John Ashcroft, and the choice is clear. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by nani on Oct 7th, 2004, 12:25am Frankly - I'm too headache-y and ADD to read all through this thread... I'll say this though-I started watching and even though I think John Edwards is very hot-they could not hold my attention. Same old crap. Edwards"you lied." Cheney "what about 9/11?" This debate did not have near the entertainment factor of watching W trying to speak... ;;D |
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Title: Re: Veep Debate... Post by BobG on Oct 7th, 2004, 2:03pm Quote:
And allows them to return to the killing each other in the name of religion. Quote:
Please leave now so we can get back to killing the Sunnis and the Kurds in the name of religion. Quote:
In a democracy they wouldn't be free to kill the Shiites and the Kurds in the name of religion. Quote:
That's true. Internal matters like killing each other in the name of religion. In that part of the world, if someone doesn't believe in your religion, you must kill them. That is how you get into heaven. It's been going on for centuries and it ain't going to change, ever. Cynical BobG |
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