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(Message started by: lisaa on Sep 14th, 2004, 7:39am)
Title: Triptan side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 14th, 2004, 7:39am
All medicaments that work as Vasoconstrictors are a dangerous drugs. In some patients even in small quantity they are dangerous,,,,Why??/
Because in migraine headache stage, there are a vasodilatation in arteries extra cranial, which cause the headache,,,,,they think that vasodilatation occur also intracranial arteries, and they give you such drugs to make your arteries much smaller and then less blood go in this arteries.
The true is in the brain arteries occur vasoconstriction not vasodilatation, and this vasoconstriction become more dangerous only when you take a vasoconstrictions drugs such ergotamine, triptan family.
What prove that is the MRI imagine of brain lesion is a small infarcts.

When we talk about side effects, which mean it occur rarely.

patients can see the chemical structure of their medicaments, if it has in his components any word of triptan that mean this is a very dangerous medicaments for all kinds of migraine, cluster headaches, not only BAM.
They can be deferent's as rizatriptan, naratriptan, zolmitriptan and others,,,
Vasoconstaction occur in Aura stage in extra cranial and intra cranial arteries, but vasodilatation (pain stage) occur only in arteries extra cranial, while vasoconstriction continue in all the time of migraine attack in arteries intra cranial (meddle meningeal artery, basilar artery and others).
Vasodilatation occurs only in extra cranial arteries. The dangerous thing that they told you take these drugs in the beginning of the migraine attack. This thing make the vasoconstriction be bigger, so the ischemia occur in the small arteries cause small infarcts in brain, heart, and the dangerous effects for pregnant women's (matrix lesions).
I happy to answer any patients or doctor, but people that do a promotion for this dangerous drugs, please thing first, and read the instruction inside the drugs box it told you the dangerous of these vasoconstriction drugs.
Vasoconstruction of intra cranial arteries (involve in migraine attack) cause less blood in the brain tissue, this make the tissue work bad, so they give the accompanied symptoms such in case of basilar artery (speech difficult, ataxia, etc), in arteries located in visual area of the brain, visual symptoms, or in arteries located in sensitive area, sensitive symptoms, or in locomotors area locomotors symptoms,,,,,etc.
They can't find until now the cure for migraine because they thing wrong that vasodilatation occur also inside the brain.
All brain lesions in migraine patients caused by ergotamine, triptans family.
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by totka on Sep 14th, 2004, 7:57am
The worst side effect is the empty purse ...  ;;D
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Jeepgun on Sep 14th, 2004, 8:33am
Yeah... That's why I stick to mainlining heroin and freebasing cocaine.  ;;D
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by unsolved1 on Sep 14th, 2004, 8:37am
I'll use it when I need it.
I'll use as much as I need.
I'll probably never stop using it.
I don't care about the side effects from using it.
I do care about the side effects from NOT using it.

Unsolved

If it hasn't killed me yet, It's NOT going to !
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Renee on Sep 14th, 2004, 9:19am
Let's see....triptan vs. 9mm.   [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by floridian on Sep 14th, 2004, 9:27am
No approach for treating cluster headaches works for everyone. The pain and disruption is very serious. There's no doubt that triptans have side effects. Using these meds comes with a cost.  But not using them also has a cost. The decision on which route to take is a personal one for each of us to make after consulting our doctors.  Those who think that triptans are too dangerous to use are free to follow that; others have used them with good results, and they will continue to do so.  We should have an open discussion of the pros and cons of each treatment.  I think triptans do have their place, but am also looking forward to newer therapies with fewer side effects.  

I tried triptans once - they zapped the headache but I felt sick and spent the day in bed (usually my headaches are early morning and I can have an almost normal day when they are done).  
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by ozzy on Sep 14th, 2004, 9:45am
I had heard before about BAM before and the reason for not using triptans on those migraines is as "lisaa" stated.

There was recently a jornal article about micro-damage to the brain from migraine (not triptan use)

There may even be a valid argument that CH and migraines are related in many ways.

Now saying that all triptans, and ergots :


Quote:
All brain lesions in migraine patients caused by ergotamine, triptans family.


is a way to start trouble around here.

Triptan warnings are welcomed and we as a community are the first ones to propagate it. But saying that the only means of relief are killing us, without proper backup documentation, that's just asking for a flaming and "troll" calling.

Lisaa, please provide your peer reviewed journal documentation, so that we may digest this information properly.

Ozzy
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 15th, 2004, 7:00am
Hi, all;
floridian, all what you said is true, but morning headache usually caused by sinus problems.
I BAM their is a very stong vasoconstraction in basilar artery, because of that only in BAM a small quantity of triptan can cause a brain lesion.
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by floridian on Sep 15th, 2004, 8:43am

on 09/15/04 at 07:00:19, lisaa wrote:
Hi, all;
floridian, all what you said is true, but morning headache usually caused by sinus problems.
I BAM their is a very stong vasoconstraction in basilar artery, because of that only in BAM a small quantity of triptan can cause a brain lesion.


I have episodic cluster headache.  They occur in July and August.  The first headache in an episode usually starts at 5:30 am or so.  After a few days, I get two headaches, one at 3:30 or so, and one at 5:30.  After a few more days, add another to make it 1:00 am, 3:30 and 5:30.  By the end of a cycle I have five or six cluster headaches in the early morning darkness and they also spread into the daylight hours (7 - 9 am).

It's not a sinus thing.  It is a sudden, excruciating pain that wakes me in the morning. The pain is a small spot behind one eye.  My eye becomes noticeably swollen, with profuse tears and a runny nose.  The affected side becomes red, with a sensation of heat.  The pain usually lasts 15 minutes to an hour, and then just stops.  Occasionally, the pain moves down into the jaw.   This has occurred in July and August for 8 years of the last 11 years.

As Ozzy said, please provide some documentation.  A discussion about triptans could be good, but how do we know what is fact, and what is opinion?
The dangers of using triptans with BAM are widely accepted (though not all doctors exclude it before prescribing).  
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by thomas on Sep 15th, 2004, 8:48am
I'm just curious where all this discussion on the dangers of using triptans to abort Migraines is going and why the hell it is being discussed on a CLUSTER HEADACHE site?
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by brain_cramps on Sep 15th, 2004, 8:57am

on 09/15/04 at 08:48:06, thomas wrote:
I'm just curious where all this discussion on the dangers of using triptans to abort Migraines is going and why the hell it is being discussed on a CLUSTER HEADACHE site?



Patience, big guy!    Lets wait and see if she has any documented proof.

;;D
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 15th, 2004, 9:04am

on 09/15/04 at 08:48:06, thomas wrote:
I'm just curious where all this discussion on the dangers of using triptans to abort Migraines is going and...


Like when I filled out forms to see my urologist and he reads them and says, "So you get migraines?"  "No, clusters," I replied.  "Eh, migraines, clusters, same difference," he responds.
 Some people know certain crap, but don't know shit.


Kevin M
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by thomas on Sep 15th, 2004, 9:29am
BAM does NOT equal CH.  If I had BAM, maybe I wouldn't need to use so many triptans, but guess what, I have CH.  CH makes me want to fucking kill myself, so I will take whatever I have to in as large a quantity as necessary, with that being said, if you have a point, please make it now.
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by thebbz on Sep 15th, 2004, 8:12pm
I like my triptan side effects, NO CH
Started out going well ,,,,no reply? I would like to hear how long term use, effects the old pumper.
BB
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 16th, 2004, 2:17pm
Biker;
Tell me what about pressure points 1, 2, 3. for CH. www.migrainesurgery.8m.net
I know that many in this site will be angry when they will read this.....
Lisaa is Ali Sultaneh
All bad words are return to the speaker.  
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by vig on Sep 16th, 2004, 2:23pm

"Lisaa is Ali Sultaneh  "
figures.

"All bad words are return to the speaker. "
That hasn't worked since I was 7.

:P
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by floridian on Sep 16th, 2004, 2:34pm

on 09/16/04 at 14:17:43, lisaa wrote:
Lisaa is Ali Sultaneh
All bad words are return to the speaker.  


No bad words, just words of truth:  Ali Sultaneh's publication history consists of one poster submitted to a conference.  Was it peer reviewed? I don't think so. Has anyone else confirmed his findings?  No.  So there is one doctor in Damascus who is willing to perform an operation, and he assures us it will cure migraines.  Great, thanks again. I will file that info in the appropriate location.

http://www.asohalton.org/garbage_can.gif
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by AlienSpaceBabe on Sep 16th, 2004, 3:29pm
hmmmmm:


on 09/14/04 at 07:39:45, lisaa wrote:
<snipped>
in migraine...  
all kinds of migraine, cluster headaches, not only BAM....
of migraine ...
migraine attack....  
in migraine attack)...  
for migraine ...
in migraine patients


A cluster headache site.... 7 references to migraines and only 1 (merely in passing) to clusters?
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by pubgirl on Sep 16th, 2004, 4:45pm
Ali/Lisa is the biggest quack that ever walked this earth, but just in case anyone here is worried by hs totally illiterate ramblings, here are the symptoms of BAM. A diagnosis should be sought (and triptans avoided) if two or more of them are present with a migrainous type headache.

"The neurological deficits accompanying BAM usually include partial or total greying or loss of vision, disturbances in oculomotor function (such as double vision), vertigo, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), ataxic gait (difficulty in walking), paralysis on one side of the body, altered consciousness (may include amnesia, confusion, stupor, and/or syncope (loss of consciousness)), ptosis (drooping eyelid, usually on one side of the body). and parasthesias (altered sensation and tingling) on one or both sides of the body"


Wendy
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by don on Sep 16th, 2004, 4:50pm
http://www.migrainesurgery.8m.net/images/03846[1][1].jpg

What. You dont bewieve me. It's wight here! Wight here in my dwaing. Just look at da dwaing!
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 18th, 2004, 2:02pm
http://www.hunterdonhealthcare.org/WebMD/Conditions/Migraine_Headaches/Surgery_Treat_Migraines.asp
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by pubgirl on Sep 18th, 2004, 2:06pm
From Ali's link  [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]  

"The technique was presented at a meeting of the American Association of Neurological Surgeons in San Diego last year, but several peer-reviewed medical journals have refused to publish Sultaneh's findings. Syria's medical establishment has also criticized his work, and Sultaneh says he now performs the operation on his own, with no outside backing.

But migraine expert Seymour Diamond, MD, says Sultaneh's surgery is probably no more effective than a host of other surgical approaches that have been tried over the years. He adds that the neurosurgeon has provided no follow-up on the patients who have had the surgery, so it is not clear how safe and effective it is. Diamond is director of the Diamond Headache Clinic in Chicago.

"We have learned in recent years that migraines occur in the deep blood vessels that surround the brain and within the brain, not on the superficial scalp arteries that [Sultaneh] is talking about," Diamond says. "This dubious surgical approach just doesn't match what we know happens with these headaches."

He says any benefit from the surgery, and from the neurosurgeon's pressure point self-treatment technique, can likely be chalked up to a placebo effect.


"I have been around for a long time, and every so often a neurosurgeon will come along with a fantastic cure," he says. "But there is no surgical cure for migraines."



Is this the best testimonial you can come up with Ali?

Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 18th, 2004, 2:21pm
Because he thinks that brain arteries participate in headache stage of migraine cluster disease, he and all nurses like him will never find any cure for migraine, cluster diseases.
The results after my surgery is 100% and even (XXX) know that placebo effect can’t be 100%.
Oh, I know well the history of the surgical treatment of migraine, cluster headaches, and no one before me said that only extra cranial arteries give the migraine, cluster headaches.
Also no one determine the places 1 and 3.
Its true, and I know how it’s hard to believe but future will responded you.
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Jonny on Sep 18th, 2004, 2:55pm

on 09/18/04 at 14:21:06, lisaa wrote:
Because


Because you are brain dead, raghead......what a putz!!!!
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Jayne on Sep 18th, 2004, 3:39pm
Don thank you for the continued belly laughs on this subject [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 19th, 2004, 7:19am
After this simple surgery, all migraine cluster patients I repeat All (because this word make you more angry) became totally free from any migraine, cluster attack in future, and they stop taking any kind of migraine, cluster drugs.
I tell them to do that make the headache come such; some kinds of food, walking under the sun, some kinds of smell, etc….
They can do all that after operation without any fear to come the migraine, cluster attack.
After many years you will understand that.
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Jonny on Sep 19th, 2004, 8:13am
Do you see this really stupid look on my face?

Its cause my wife used a butt plug on me last night, someone please cover me in pork......LMMFAO ;;D

http://www.migrainesurgery.8m.net/images/03846[1][1].jpg
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by IndianaJohn on Sep 19th, 2004, 12:07pm
Freakin' Troll!  
Some one get a torch so that we can burn the body and be sure he doesn't regenerate himself.
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by lisaa on Sep 19th, 2004, 1:36pm
Hey;
Only who care to do a promotion for dangerous drugs here will be angry,,, you know that you are one of them.
You are not cluster patients, but as much here, dont care about patients health, just about their money.
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Jayne on Sep 19th, 2004, 1:39pm

on 09/19/04 at 13:36:38, lisaa wrote:
Hey;
Only who care to do a promotion for dangerous drugs here will be angry,,, you know that you are one of them.
You are not cluster patients, but as much here, dont care about patients health, just about their money.



That's right pigsnot...you got it. We are all Scientologists posing as clusterheads.
Now bend over and lemme trex you up de arse!!!
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Peppermint on Sep 19th, 2004, 1:55pm

on 09/19/04 at 07:19:15, lisaa wrote:
After this simple surgery, all migraine cluster patients I repeat All (because this word make you more angry) became totally free from any migraine, cluster attack in future, and they stop taking any kind of migraine, cluster drugs.
I tell them to do that make the headache come such; some kinds of food, walking under the sun, some kinds of smell, etc….
They can do all that after operation without any fear to come the migraine, cluster attack.
After many years you will understand that.


Look ARSEHOLE... (did I spell that right ? ;;D)

That's right you lisaa.. aka... ALI... aka... MORON.
You are the laughingstock of your so-called profession.  I don't think anyone in medicine would want to be even remotely associated with you.  

But you sure picked the right day to keep posting on here.  I am in a shitty mood and I wouldn't mind stomping all over your moronic face if you don't find another back alley in which to peddle your rootless science. [smiley=bash.gif]  Take a few English lessons why don't you, and maybe go to a real medical school....I don't think a butcher shop lesson counts.  

Where did you buy your scrubs... at the 99 cents store?  Or did you they give them to you at your ludicrous presentation, where you had the opportunity to make yourself an official clown?

Get lost, Cara de Culo.    

See ya and don't let the door hit you on your face ass (really its the same difference) on the way out.  

[smiley=finger.gif]  8)
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 19th, 2004, 1:58pm

on 09/19/04 at 13:55:54, Peppermint wrote:
Look ARSEHOLE... (did I spell that right ? ;;D)

That's right you lisaa.. aka... ALI... aka... MORON.
You are the laughingstock of your so-called profession.  I don't think anyone in medicine would want to be even remotely associated with you.  

But you sure picked the right day to keep posting on here.  I am in a shitty mood and I wouldn't mind stomping all over your moronic face if you don't find another back alley in which to peddle your rootless science. [smiley=bash.gif]  Take a few English lessons why don't you, and maybe go to a real medical school....I don't think a butcher shop lesson counts.  

Where did you buy your scrubs... at the 99 cents store?  Or did you they give them to you at your ludicrous presentation, where you had the opportunity to make yourself an official clown?

Get lost, Cara de Culo.    

See ya and don't let the door hit you on your face ass (really its the same difference) on the way out.  

[smiley=finger.gif]  8)



Bwahaha  Nice one!!

Hey...I wanna know where I can get 99 cent scrubs!  I freaking paid $40 for mine!!  LMAO...

Get a life, Ali.  No surgeon has time to spend on the internet pushing your crap like you do.  
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by BlueMeanie on Sep 19th, 2004, 2:14pm
How much do you charge to remove a brain. Obviously anyone who is willing to go through your surgery doesn't need one.

By the way migraines and clusters are two different headaches. Please do not use them in the same sentence. It only prooves you don't know squat.

I LOVE MY TRIPTANS.  :)
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by OneEyeBlind on Sep 19th, 2004, 2:27pm
Well, at least I got a laugh for the day.  Ali-oop !!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Triptan side effects
Post by pubgirl on Sep 19th, 2004, 4:10pm
All I can say is that Ali must have missed our abuse to come back for some more.

What a lovely man, when we need someone to beat up, he comes along, I love him :D

Wendy


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