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Title: HSG Chat room! Post by Elaine on Sep 12th, 2004, 1:24am HSG Chat is a place cluster heads and their supporters can go to talk and get to know each other. A place, where you can relax some, and joke a little and forget your problems. It should always be a place for support. I been reading the logs and HSG chat has become a place of nasty talk, cyber sex, and dirty gossip. HSG was not made for that. ENOUGH! If you want to talk Nasty, and you want to cyber, and you want to gossip. I ask that you use another chat room, or MSN or some instance messenger for that. Have enough respect for yourself and others to keep it clean. Thanks Elaine |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Jonny on Sep 12th, 2004, 2:11am Just for the record I had nothing to do with any of this. Thank you ;;D ........................................jonny |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Svenn on Sep 12th, 2004, 3:47am on 09/12/04 at 02:11:45, Jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by alleyoop on Sep 12th, 2004, 9:17am I don't even know what HSG stands for, much less how to find the chat room! ...............................alley [smiley=huh.gif] |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Ruth on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:22am I don't no about a chat room either, but then I am new here, I hope we can all just have respect of each other and continue to help one another out . |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Jonny on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:28am Shut up Ruth.....LMAO ;;D Im kidding ............................jonny (Couldnt help it....LOL) |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by vig on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:36am HSG is a trigger for me.... oh wait, that's MSG. sorry. (Couldn't resist either.) |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Rock_Lobster on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:39am Welcome to our Public Chatroom (now free of nasty talk, cyber sex, and dirty gossip!) Occupants: The chatroom is currently empty. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by purpleydog on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:45am on 09/12/04 at 10:28:38, Jonny wrote:
Uhh Jonny, isn't that STFU? |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by purpleydog on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:48am Here is the chatroom, for the HSG impaired. http://headachesupportgroups.com/echat45/public/index.html |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Cerberus on Sep 12th, 2004, 11:01am um...I know of no such mission and even if I did I would not be at liberty to discuss it. ::) :-X Ramon |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by purpleydog on Sep 12th, 2004, 11:28am I know nothing. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by broomhilda on Sep 12th, 2004, 12:35pm Elaine, HSG has been my lifesaver through all of this, making friends, getting support and getting smiles beyond what I could have envisioned, if I personally have done anything offensive I deeply apologize for my behaviour :-[ Again my apologies... Andrea |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Mac on Sep 12th, 2004, 12:43pm Were you talking dirty again Broomie? :o |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by broomhilda on Sep 12th, 2004, 12:52pm on 09/12/04 at 12:43:17, Mac wrote:
LOL Mac, who me? :D Remember I am an angel!!! If I did anything over the line that was offensive, I am sorry.... |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Little Deb on Sep 12th, 2004, 1:04pm Thank you Elaine for offering a place for all to go to chat. And thanks for speaking your mind. And pulling rank! Remember you can always count on jonny's boot if you need backup!! ;;D although jonny's boot is dirty too :-/.........................little deb |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Jonny on Sep 12th, 2004, 1:53pm on 09/12/04 at 13:04:45, Little Deb wrote:
The boot may be dirty but the pecker is clean.....Like damn chrome ;;D .......................................jonny |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by cootie on Sep 12th, 2004, 4:04pm I get kicked offline 10 times jus tryin to read my mail....so chat is not for this wounded retarded machine......but dirty talk is human nature.......esp late nite and doubt anyone ment anything FOUL about it. The gossip part could hurt someone tho........but it's everywhere ! Some chat rooms won't permit it and will kick you out permanently. So....guess if worse gets to worse ya mite have to make some RULES. It's all about respect so if ya don't like the bad stuff and it IS yer site then that should be rule enuff......!! Unruley Pam You guys be good and stay out of trouble............. 8) |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by don on Sep 12th, 2004, 5:53pm All potentially offensive material uttered by any female should be screened first to determine how sexually provacative it may be to others. PM me. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Ree on Sep 12th, 2004, 9:26pm OMG see how people act when Im not in chat.......... when did chat become a home for smut..........that is horrible.............wow............Im shocked..............was I there????????????? ree |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Redd715 on Sep 12th, 2004, 10:51pm on 09/12/04 at 13:53:02, Jonny wrote:
[smiley=huh.gif]Wondering who did the polishing..... :-/ |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Racer1_NC on Sep 12th, 2004, 11:23pm I have no problem with a high standard of conduct. Quote:
This, I have a problem with. While Elaine is completely within her rights to do this, I will not have every remark I make in chat or PM logged and examined. I am sorry to say I will not return to HSG Chat. Bill |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by purpleydog on Sep 12th, 2004, 11:41pm on 09/12/04 at 23:23:42, Racer1_NC wrote:
Bill, every chatroom is logged, and the logs are examined by the chatmasters. It's as simple as that. It's one way to make sure the rules are followed. Now, revealing what is in the logs would be another story. I'm sure Elaine and Michelle have the integrity not to do that. You will be missed. pd |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 13th, 2004, 12:16am Chat and forum sites may be logged, but most of the time, those logs are only used if there is a complaint, to either prove or disprove the complaint, and determine the proper corrective action. The webmaster will then contact the offender directly and privately if possible. Actively reading the logs on a regular basis is entirely up to the webmaster of the site. The problem that some may have with this thread is the fact that the webmistress of HSG has decided to publicly admit that she actively monitors the logs, and have threatened to punish any users that do anything that she considers offensive. Such a general and public warning could cause many to be afraid to chat there at all because either they may say something offensive unintentionally, or they don't like the idea of everything they say being logged and monitored. Of course... As I said, Elaine has every right to actively monitor the logs of HSG chat, and declare what is and is not acceptable on her site, but in my opinion, her post may not have been the best way to deal with the situation. PFDAN.................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Elaine on Sep 13th, 2004, 6:23am Your damn right I read the logs expecilly after recieving several letters of complaints. It is very plainly stated that the logs are read, if people would take the tme to read. Like I said if you want to talk smut and stuff go else where ITS for support of people with all types of headaches, there is a difference in joking and haveing a good time and the stuff that has been going on. If no one goes to chat that is fine with me. It been there its been paid for by me and worked by Michelle at no cost to any of you. It was given to you all to use to support each other, not call each other very *friendly* persons ect... Take this post any way you want . I just a soon the chat room stay empty as to have the kind of crap thats been going on in there. Thanks Elaine |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by nancyc on Sep 13th, 2004, 12:29pm I am not with the "In Crowd " here so I doubt if what I have to say will amount to a hill of beans...but I will say it anyway for my peace of mind.....I can remember about four years ago when I first went to Elaine's chat room....It was the only place I could go and find support for this pain and isolation I felt....I read E's rules and unfortunately I broke some of them over the course of time...I was even barred from the chatroom at one time for getting in an argument....my stupidity....I WAS WRONG. I read the rules before I entered the room...I did not abide by them...Another time, I came to the room and the people in that room cared enough about me to summons emergency help for me...They thought I was having a reaction to something I had taken...I wasn't but the point was, they cared enough about me to take steps to do something to Help me...In saying all of this, I am trying to point out...Elaine has paid for a place that we can all go and be together....we dont have to like her rules but we need to RESPECT her rules if we go into the chat room.....Do I like the fact Elaine can read whatever is said in the chat...maybe not...but those are her rules and she pays for that room...I dont contribute one penny to that chatroom so what right do I have to critize how she runs it? I am sure there are legal reasons for keeping logs in a chatroom. I am not posting this to put anyone down...I have broken every rule E's chatroom had in the past....so I have no right to say anything except...I learned to Respect the chatroom...I learned the hard way ;;D....It all boils down to RESPECT! Today, if I were to go into a chat room, I would read the rules and darn sure abide by them..and if I didn't like them, I would go elsewhere...We are family here and family RESPECTS each other...isn't that what this is all about....Thanks, Elaine for being there for us for all these years, sis...and for the millionith time, I am sorry I disrespected you in anyway years ago...This rebel has learned in her older years how valuable "Respect" is.... :Dnancyc |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Carl_D on Sep 13th, 2004, 4:08pm Since i am offline at home, I haven't been in chat lately, so i don't know what is going on. I do know this: It is a PUBLIC chatroom which means it is there for any person in the room to read, and as a webhost - they have every right to monitor what goes on in the chatroom. Personally, i have no problem with it. If I want to keep something between another person and myself - that is what emails are for, or private messages. Whenever I get a chance to (if I do), I will continue to go into chat, as there have been times when i was down and went there and was encouraged and lifted up by my bros and sisters. I try to do the same for others. I have no problem with the chat. i am just thankful that we have one we can go to. Thanks again Elaine and Michelle, Carl |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Simon on Sep 13th, 2004, 4:26pm Can't understand any objection to the reading of logs. If any of us had the time we cold read everything said anyway (except PMs). Always feel in these circumstances that in the situation of a "private" site it's up to the owner, but that given the links between all the cluster sites it might be best simply to ban the individuals, and publicly state why - giving them always the opportunity to explain and/or apologise. I'm just annoyed I missed some smutty talk - whenever I go there, there's always someone moaning on about headaches of some sort.... :) |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Ree on Sep 13th, 2004, 6:35pm Any and ALL of what is said and written online is logged. Sorry to tell you that but it is. And even if you THINK its gone deleted or thrown away it lays deep in the recesses of someones hard drive somewhere. Be good out there folks.......... or your past will come back and bite ya in the ass......... love ya lanie...... you go girl... ree |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Jonny on Sep 13th, 2004, 6:43pm HSG will always be the place that I chat. I could give two shits who reads what I type, I have nothing but friends there, friends that have known me for many years.......Read away......LOL ;;D .........................................jonny |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Sean_C on Sep 13th, 2004, 11:05pm Elaine this is to funny. I wanna know who was gettin down with who and what was said to make you believe this type of cyberphornication was actually happening without anybody else knowing about it in HSG. I think some people might have been joking and kidding but not actually doing what you think they were doing. But i've been wrong before and will be again i'm sure. Give it up Elaine, who? whom? ;;D Sean................... |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by thebbz on Sep 13th, 2004, 11:19pm Elaine, Cudo's, Keep up the good work. I was in a cluster about a year ago, on the pred,in pain, and found the chatroom. It was productive and found a few good people with good advice that worked out. Got a laugh when I needed it and I wont mention any names but was pretty HAPPY with the east coast friend I talked to. Your right you want to get jiggy go somewhere jiggy. Thanks again for the chat room and the effort. BB |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by TxBasslady on Sep 14th, 2004, 2:21am on 09/13/04 at 16:26:08, Simon wrote:
News flash !!!! LOL.....pm's can be read also!! :o Jean |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Rock_Lobster on Sep 14th, 2004, 7:32am From what I understand, most of the ladies are naked and have an alcoholic beverage in their non-mouse hand when they enter HSG Chat. At least that is the impression I get from the webcam-shots forwarded to me by DD, PD, and Broomie. (thx ladies!) Thus, a fair amount of hijinks and shenanigans are bound to occur. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Kevin_M on Sep 14th, 2004, 8:31am on 09/14/04 at 02:21:31, TxBasslady wrote:
yup, Kevin M |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Sep 14th, 2004, 9:19am Why all the fuss about log files and privacy??? I have 200 co-workers and about half of them are completely paranoid about the fact that we in the systems department actually have the ability to read their emails if we had the desire. The fact is that we barely have time to read our own email. I don't have the time to dig through other peoples emails to try to find gossip. I'm sure that the people at HSG chat don't have the time or desire to read the log files either. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Sep 14th, 2004, 9:51am KOP I stand corrected. I should have paid a little more attention to what was in the post. My main point is that people don't just read this kind of stuff for kicks. There was obviousley a complaint that she had to look in to. If we had a complaint from someone that one of our staff was sending or recieving obscene/threatening/etc... emails, we would also look into it officially as a part of our job. I have been asked in the past to even put key logger software on some of our public systems because of death threats that were traced back to our I.P. addresses. Is this big brother??? I guess it depends on who you are and who actually has access to the log files. These particular systems are NOT the property of our patrons. They are owned by the Library as well as our staff systems. If the Library wants to know what is beeing done on their systems that they paid for, they have every right to . I'm sure that Elaine uses the log files in a legit way. I haven't heard of anyone here beeing black mailed over a post yet. I have been approached in the past about URLs that were visited by me at work. I have no problem with that. We have rules and we need to abide by them. While doing research at my work bench, some of which involves spyware and questionable URLs and numorous popups, I occasionaly will have a popup from a porno site. I sometimes browse to them intentionally as part of this research. When I am approached about this, I always have a legit excuse. I myself don't have a problem with my posts/emails/I.M.s/etc... beeing logged because I have never put anything into any of them that would embarass me or get me into trouble. I do think that Elaine should relax a little and not worry about us having a little fun a the HSG chat. I know that it is supposed to be CH related but isn't getting your mind off of the pain for a while considered CH related. OK time to stop and go to work. I've got some log files and emails to read. Pat |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by catlind on Sep 14th, 2004, 10:16am on 09/12/04 at 23:23:42, Racer1_NC wrote:
Bill, not trying to pick you apart I just wanted to let folks know that ch.com is also fully logged, PM's included. The nature of the internet is that all correspondence is logged. I have never heard of Elaine spending her time just sitting reading logs for the fun of it. In the past it's always been because of a complaint that she has received. Same thing here with DJ, he has no time or desire to read all our PM's but if he receives a complaint, he can and does read the PM's that are relevant. Just don't want anyone leaving anywhere because of logging that doesn't get read unless there's a problem. Cat |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Racer1_NC on Sep 14th, 2004, 1:32pm I never thought that my comments would generate this level of response. Perhaps it may be time to clear up some things that were said, and not said in my earlier post. First.....I was NOT attacking Elaine for reading logs. It's her site, it's her right. HSG chat has been a god send for many people. I publicly thank her for providing such a place, and for all she has done for all of us. Second....I'm under no illusions when it comes to privacy or lack there of on the internet. I was using the internet before the WWW was a reality. I'm fairly well versed in computers and networking. I know that everything that leaves my system is subject to inspection by someone, legally or not. I know that while my network is fairly well protected, someone can always get in if they have enough knowledge and time. No one is 100% secure in cyberspace. Third.....I know that every message board, chat room, or any other public forum is logged by the owner. Public messages, private messages, the whole works. Knowing this, I attempt not to post or PM anything of a extremely sensitive nature or something that I will regret saying later. Also, for this reason, I rarely...if ever, ventured into any chat room.....at least until I found this place and HSG chat. Why did I start using HSG chat when I avoided other chat rooms? My desire to interact with other sufferers of this hell out weighed my desire for privacy. (Privacy being a relative term here) Despite my sometimes conservative leaning views on world affairs, I'm fairly liberal in my views of other's personal activities. I don't care who sleeps with who, what they say about it, or what words they use to vent their feelings and thoughts to the world. I consider it to be their business and no one elses. I personally saw nothing in HSG chat that I would call offensive. But that is just me. If Elaine has decided that some people crossed her personal line, then she has the right to clamp down. My only issue was the public post that seems to implicate all of the users of HSG chat, myself included. I would have much rather the "offending parties" to be contacted privately. In any event, in order to be at ease and not wonder if each word I type would be considered offensive to someone, I decided not to further use HSG chat. That way I can know for sure that I have not caused any offense to anyone. Bill |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by BobG on Sep 14th, 2004, 3:38pm Bottom line is there is no privacy anywhere or anytime on the internet. Every word ever written to a site is out there somewhere to be read by others. If you are fool enough to think you messages, e-mails or other correspondence is private then you are living in a dream world. Just go to Google and type in your screen name. Or your real name and you may be amazed. You also may be amazed that the world may be ignoring you. Elaine's chat site is just that, Elaine's. It belongs to the Lady and the Lady alone. She pays the bills. She makes the rules. She has every right to read the site, the logs and even the private messages if she wants to. If anyone doesn't like her rules they are free to suggest a change. They are not free to demand a change. The internet is a big place. If Elaine's chat site is too stuffy for someone they are free to start their own and pay for it themselves. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by catlind on Sep 14th, 2004, 5:55pm Bill I appreciate your clarification. I apologize if I offended you in anyway, that was never my intention. I misunderstood your reasoning regarding leaving HSG. I personally will continue to visit HSG because I like the open format - open format meaning no application/invitation required. I really don't think Elaine was worried about folks having fun and letting loose a bit, (I'm not her and I can't speak for her) but I suspect that there must have been times when folks crossed the line. Unfortunately even if it was done in PM's I know that I have many times sent a PM to the wrong person when I was talking to 2 or 3 different people, and maybe that's where the concern came from? Just a thought, I don't know any specifics and don't care to. I just don't think E meant that no one could have fun and joke around in HSG anymore. Just my take on it, guess we'd have to hear from E on that one. Cat |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Drk^Angel on Sep 14th, 2004, 5:59pm Everyone keeps griping about ppl telling Elaine what to do. No one has done that in this thread. A few may have complained about the way she decided to handle it, and others have tried to defend the antics that may have gone on, while others have voiced their opinions on the logs being actively read. I believe that the majority of ppl who don't like the rules implied by Elaine has done what she asked them to do... They have gone elsewhere to chat. Some completely avoiding Elaine's chat, while others limiting their interactions there. Elaine's chat is Elaine's chat, and her rules are law there. No use debating the issue. There's also no use making an issue about ppl deciding to chat elsewhere. Someone said recently, if you want to talk about headaches, go to Elaine's chat... If you want to talk about anything, go to the other chat room. Sounds like good advice to me. PFDAN................................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by thomas on Sep 14th, 2004, 6:58pm Well, I know that I have been guilty of making a few "off color" comments in HSG chat. However I must say "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." And, "Render unto Ceaser that which belongs to Ceaser." It is Elaines chat room and if she doesn't approve of some of the remarks that are said, I agree that she has every right to make the people responsible know how she feels. [smiley=twocents.gif] |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Charlie on Sep 14th, 2004, 9:12pm Rats E. I guess this is what happens when I don't chat for a day or two. Damn kids. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/satan.gif |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Ree on Sep 15th, 2004, 10:23am I'll be hanging at E's chat when I have the chance to... She has been generous enough to open up that site for all of us all of these years .........ree |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by AlienSpaceBabe on Sep 16th, 2004, 9:43am I read the rules.... and did my best to follow them..... NOW.... what dirty/juicy gossip is there about me?? |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by brain_cramps on Sep 16th, 2004, 10:23am Hmmm... on 09/12/04 at 01:24:46, Elaine wrote:
So... on 09/14/04 at 17:59:28, Drk^Angel wrote:
I don't see the problem. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Mac on Sep 16th, 2004, 12:04pm I think Elaine has deleted her profile :( |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by vig on Sep 16th, 2004, 1:32pm makes me sad, never had a better cluster angel. :'( |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by alleyoop on Sep 16th, 2004, 6:55pm on 09/16/04 at 13:32:33, vig wrote:
Probably never will.......... ........................alley :-/ |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Roxy on Sep 17th, 2004, 6:36pm Maybe if we all ask Mast nicely......she'll keep it up for those that enjoy going to chat. I've had many nights in chat, and it's always one place you can go when you are up late at night and hurting between hits. I've learned a lot about people in that chat room, and I've made friends for life in that chat room. Let's inundated Mast with emails till she gives in....... ;;D. |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 17th, 2004, 6:41pm on 09/17/04 at 18:36:11, Roxy wrote:
Good call :) |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by Jonny on Sep 18th, 2004, 1:32am Mast? :-* Ok, how much do ya want $ ? ;;D |
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Title: Re: HSG Chat room! Post by bluesunshine on Sep 18th, 2004, 1:44am I just want to say that if one day i go to a convention, it is because i met very friendly poeple at HSGchat. billyJ, PD, DD, samurai, lizzie2, broomie, eyesafire, racer, and all those i have not mentionned (;-)). So let's get the balance right. I don't think that HSGchat could have became a place of hatred, difamation or sexual harassment. We are adults. and some teasing can't be that bad - on the contrary. And if someone's talking do not fits to your morale, there is always an "ignore" feature (no?) to not read what that guy or girl is saying. we met there in the first place for a really bad thing that afflicted us... can't we be like every else person, human, not robots, with our thorns and vertu, and more? Don't let the few bads take out (encroach) the joy of majority. Please. And those few one will one day be sorry and join us again ( damn, i am preaching now?? LOL) Blue |
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