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(Message started by: farmboy on Sep 11^th, 2004, 2:11pm)

Title: 9-11 thing
Post by farmboy on Sep 11^th, 2004, 2:11pm

I think this 9-11 stuff is getting a little old.

It is like we are obsessed with a nationwide pitty party.

It is a terrible thing that has happened but i think it is time to move on and quit feeling sorry for ourselfs.

There are people getting killed and maimed in this country everyday , in auto accidents. murdered, abuse and a mulitude of other events. Are they any less dead any less missed, any less inocent.

What about them?

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Cerberus on Sep 11^th, 2004, 2:28pm

I am tempted to be really angry that you said these things...but I digress.

The point is that none of the people who die in car accidents, murders, and the other "multitude" of events as you say...died directly as a result of an act of war.

This was an indiscriminate act of war....THAT IS THE POINT. That and the fact that the act's intent was to scare AMERICA into submission. America has never backed down from an enemy and isnt about to start now, its kind of the American way. ;)
So, you are just willing to forget the whole thing? Tell that to the surviving families of the innocents that died at the WTC and the public service people who died trying to save as many of them as they could.... better yet, move to CHINA. >:(

Ramon

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Jonny on Sep 11^th, 2004, 2:37pm

STFU!!!!!

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by john_d on Sep 11^th, 2004, 3:11pm

on 09/11/04 at 14:11:38, farmboy wrote:

a little old? pity party? you, my friend, are dead fucken wrong, nuff said

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by kissmyglass on Sep 11^th, 2004, 3:22pm

[smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Simon on Sep 11^th, 2004, 3:30pm

On November 11th I'll be involved in organising a Remembrance Service here for an event which ended in 1918. Needless to say what you said on that level is crap.

I agree that at some point, we stop thinking quite so specifically of the people, and think more of the meaning of the events, but that will not happen in this case for a good few years, and quite rightly so.

Anyway, get back to MTV and enjoy the really important things in life. (A spelling primer might be an alternative.)

Simon

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by BobG on Sep 11^th, 2004, 3:46pm

farmboy, your statements are just plain 100 percent WRONG.

Next are you going to tell the good people of Florida to forget last weeks hurricane because it is over? Or don't worry about the big one that will tear the state apart tomorrow. After all, the past is gone and tommorrow is the future, why worry about it.

Are you going to tell the parents of the children that died by terrorists hands in the school in Russia to move on? After all it is over with. They should stop whining and greiving. They were only children, big deal. "Hey you Russian Mothers and Fathers your kids are dead. get over yourselves!"

An apology is in order here.

modified to try to remain polite and remove some dirty words and what I really think.

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by clarence on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:06pm

When a tragic event occurs, whether it be on a more personal level, like an auto accident, an accidental shooting, a suicide, or a murder of a loved one, or on a national level, like WWI, Pearl Harbor, WWII, Kennedy's assination, the explosion of the space shuttles, or the terrorist attacks on 9/11, we all try to deal in different ways. Some people would rather forget, some people want to remember. I think that reasons for both people's actions is that the event in question is painful. Pain, especially the type of pain caused by genuine tragedy, is difficult to deal with.

Farmboy, I don't think that anybody has forgotten about the other people who suffer tragic consequences from day to day. In fact, I would bet that personal tragedies are remembered by individuals every single day.

A tragic event is remembered by the people who are/were affected by it. Since events like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor have in the past and continue to affect us on a national and even global level, it is althogther not surprising that the pain is relived and remembered on a national level. In fact, it is expected and incredibly appropriate. The pain suffered by a nation is carried by a nation, and acts of rememberence help to deal with that pain.

While the mediaization of the day may seem overwhelmingly focused on 9/11 to the exclusion of other events, it is probably not accurate to call it a pity party. Maybe more along the lines of carrying one another's burdens, and remembering one of the most devastating events that has occured in our lifetimes (certainly the most in my lifetime).

I am sorry that you are frustrated, but the day is probably tough for you too.

Casey

ps, just in case anybody wondered, I am American despite what that flag says by my name there <--.

<spelling, and to make a bit more sense...>

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by john_d on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:07pm

here Farmboy, what's the difference between the two picture below? Some clues, it's not a little old and it's not a pity party

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040910/i/r2021420482.jpg

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:08pm

Being that Pearl Harbor happened 63 years ago, I can't imagine how self-pitying we must seem for recalling that event too, and what we had to do.

Kevin M

edit for emph.

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by KingOfPain on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:27pm

farmboy,

From another thread:

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1094909805

Your reply:

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farmboy
New Board Veteran

In Cycle and in Pain

Posts: 195
Re: POTD: 9/11 image
« Reply #9 on: Today at 1:14pm » Quote Modify

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He wasn't a sick fuck!

He was doing a job that needed to be done. It is fact that he recorded.He saved for history what really happened to the people in the building that day. IF it dose anything it should make you think about the choice those people had made that day.
For all they knew they were going to be burn't alive.

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I am confused, just a bit.
[smiley=huh.gif]

http://www.candle-licious.com/assets/images/9-11-01candlesmall_bf16.gif

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by clarence on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:32pm

KOP,

I wondered about that too...

Casey

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by cootie on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:41pm

So.......yer saying we SHOULD forget ? An act of war effects us all.......and always will.........it reminds us how things COULD change.....for us all. Pre planned cold blooded mass murder not forgotten Pam

Go play with your tractor........................

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by john_d on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:43pm

whoa, I am [smiley=huh.gif] also, thanks for referencing that

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Charlie on Sep 11^th, 2004, 4:49pm

Quote:

I think this 9-11 stuff is getting a little old.

It is like we are obsessed with a nationwide pitty party.

Pitty party? Hard to imagine it ever being so. It's not a American obsession. We aren't alone. Most of Europe, especially England and France, I believe, have similar events that they remember. It's important and it hasn't paralized New Yorkers. Just the opposite.

Charlie

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by cootie on Sep 11^th, 2004, 5:11pm

What didn't kill "US" has made us "ALL" stronger.......remembering keeps the ties unbroken Pam

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by KingOfPain on Sep 11^th, 2004, 5:36pm

farmboy,

http://911digitalarchive.org/special/tribute.swf

[Thank you Elaine for the link.]

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by don on Sep 11^th, 2004, 5:37pm

Farmboy.

Are you out of your fucking mind?

You little prick.

(edit)

IGNORANT little prick.

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Donna_D. on Sep 11^th, 2004, 7:29pm

AS OF MOST RECENT DATABASE UPDATE, 08/08/2004 1:26:29 AM:

CONFIRMED DEAD: 2948

REPORTED DEAD: 24

REPORTED MISSING: 24

TOTAL: 2996

If you want to see the magnitude of this horrifying day in American history click on the following link and see how long it takes you to scroll to the bottom of the page. Take your time, click on a picture or two....It is overwhelming to see all the names and ages.

http://www.september11victims.com/september11Victims/victims_list.htm

http://ville.blogfodder.net/9-11.jpg

:'(

DD

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Longhaired Redneck on Sep 11^th, 2004, 7:32pm

9-11 thing?
Son, wake up and smell the coffee. Let me back up and let me answer you in the way my father would have. (by way of history, he passed away many years ago. but he was a 1st Division Infranty ENG. , First wave Omaha Beach,WW 2, he went in to blow up the shit up so the rest cud get in alive)

Nope, I can't answer for him, although I know what he woud say.
ES&D

BTW sending a friend from my farm to visit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Jimbo803/tankb.jpg

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by farmboy on Sep 11^th, 2004, 8:19pm

Clarence, you have said it better than i could ever. It didn't come across as i wanted it to.

I do have a problem with the way the media is using this.
It seems to me the media inforces the wo is me message.
ie pitty party. They seem to be obsessed with this.

I never said to forget .

Moving on is not forgetting. it seems it was taken that way by most.
After my aunt died who was like a second mother to me i grieved, but i came to grips with it and moved on. the event is the event but i feel no need to over dramatize it.

The pictures that were posted. I think by jonny. I answered the way i did because things like that need to be documented. How else are we going to remember the choices made by those who where there that day. That guy was not a sick fuck who took the pictures. He did us a great thing by saving that moment..

I think about the people who jumped from the windows.
What they must have thought about before they decided to jump.

The guy that took the pictures saved that instant of time so that everyone could see and remember.
For me that was a very powerful image and invokes thoughts of what those persons had to indure that day.

For all who had nothing but rude comments , i am sorry you had to vent that way.

For the others that wrote comments , many had points i never even thought of. you have made me think about your points of view and i thank you for that.

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Cerberus on Sep 11^th, 2004, 9:14pm

I was a little harsh this day in response to this thread...for that I am apologetic. "I am a man and I can change if I have to I guess."
The 9-11 disaster has multiple implications for me, although I was not directly involved in the actual event, I was quite a ways away from home, NEAR the epicenter of events (at least as close as I never cared to be) and at the time had NO idea what was going to happen next. I thought it was the begining of the Armageddon and who knows it STILL may end up being that. Couple that with no nearby family or relatives to contact the days and weeks following were rather traumatic and not just for me.
That being said...the pics Jonny posted appeared in the NY Times the following day and at that time I TOO said it was unecessary to print them...I now not only stand corrected, I applaud the capture of those grizzly scenes for they truly document the nature and horror of the event itself.
However...I do understand the feelings Farmboy has expressed for some it may still be way too painfull to remember and for those probably will for many years to come. I find the footage of the event extremely disturbing, the audio of the phone calls from the planes that crashed into the pentagon and WTC even more so...why? Because it IS the reality of it...none of the people on those planes outside of the evildoers had ANY idea what was going to happen before boarding and even those who opted to TRY to save the country and died trying couldnt have had any real idea of the severity of the situation prior to having lifted off THAT is what makes the reality so bitter.
In retrospect Farmboy the people who were pictured falling/jumping from the WTC that day...I seriously doubt even today if they had lived that any of this was "overdramatized" you said it yourself...

Quote:

What they must have thought about before they decided to jump

I doubt that their decision to jump from those buildings was and over dramatic decision in the least. The buildings came down and those that didn't jump died anyhow.

so I still say....ALWAYS remember and NEVER FORGET...there is no true moving on from such an event.

Ramon

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by StueyStu on Sep 11^th, 2004, 9:30pm

I cannot believe the what Farm Boy or whoever said. You weren't there, you lost noone in the tragedy. You also haven't obviously lost anyone in this war in Iraq. Had you been here rather than on the farm and had to see the candles on peoples porches with the picture of their lost love one. Had you looked across the Hudson and seen the smoke for days after you wouldn't have had to say something so stupid. I know what I was doing a I guess you were busy doing whatever it is that Farmboys do.

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by don on Sep 11^th, 2004, 9:39pm

Quote:

For all who had nothing but rude comments , i am sorry you had to vent that way.

I'm not.

Quote:

event is the event but i feel no need to over dramatize it.

Your still an ignorant little prick.

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Gator on Sep 11^th, 2004, 10:25pm

Ladies and gents, don't call dickweed's reaction a "Farmer" thing. I know lots of good, down to earth farm people that were plenty upset by the events of 9-11-01 and who today said a prayer and shed a silent tear for the victims and their families and for the men and women who continue to serve this country at home and abroad.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative25.jpg

Sincerely,

Gator

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by john_d on Sep 12^th, 2004, 9:13am

on 09/11/04 at 20:19:22, farmboy wrote:

\For all who had nothing but rude comments , i am sorry you had to vent that way.

For the others that wrote comments , many had points i never even thought of. you have made me think about your points of view and i thank you for that.

You are right, I am very sorry you said that the rememberance of 9/11 was a little old and a big pity party, what was I thinking?

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by clarence on Sep 12^th, 2004, 10:18am

on 09/11/04 at 21:30:01, StueyStu wrote:

Everybody lost on 9/11, whether a personal loved on or not. We lost as a nation, and we continue to lose people in Iraq, as a nation. I think that is why this thread is so emotionally charged.

Casey

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Jeepgun on Sep 12^th, 2004, 7:37pm

Farmboy, would your views be different if your favorite ewe with the best set of lips and the cutest ass was on one of the planes, or got trapped in one of the towers?(Or would it just be too baa-aa-aa-aad?)

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 12^th, 2004, 7:57pm

This is why I will never forget:

Quote:

A Family Loses Its Oldest and Youngest Sons

September 23, 2001

When American Airlines Flight 11 pulverized the upper floors of One World Trade Center, Joseph Shea was on the 105th floor, above the crash. His younger brother, Daniel, was one level below. But instead of panicking as black smoke and fire poured from his punctured building, Joseph Shea, who had survived the 1993 bombing of the trade center, called his wife, Nancy, at home in upstate Pelham Manor.

"He said, 'Don't worry. You're going to see this on the news, but I'm all right,'" Nancy Shea said. "He sounded very calm."

The couple hung up, but Nancy immediately called back. "I said, 'What about Dan?' He said, 'I'm going down right now.'"

That was the last time Nancy Shea spoke to her husband of 16 years.

Joseph Shea, the oldest of five children, and Daniel Shea, the youngest of the family, died on Sept. 11 after terrorists steered two 767s into the Twin Towers, undermining their structures and ultimately causing both towers to crumple to the ground.

"They never got down," Nancy Shea said.

Both worked for Cantor Fitzgerald. Joseph Shea, 47, was a senior executive management director and had been with the company for 12 years. Daniel Shea, 37, who, like his brother, lived in Pelham Manor, was a management director and partner and had been with the firm since 1991.

The brothers, who grew up in Manhasset and Port Washington, had "classic birth order personalities," Nancy Shea said. "Joe's mother would say he was born a grown-up."

Daniel was the generous and fun-loving life of the party.

"He had the Irish gift of storytelling," his wife, Ellen, said. "He would walk in, and people would say, 'All right, the party can start.'"

After three New York firefighters died earlier this year on Father's Day while battling a blaze in an Astoria hardware store, Daniel Shea wanted to do something to help their families.

"He called me up at work and said, 'I'm thinking of giving everything I earn today to those widows. What do you think?'" Ellen Shea said. "I started to cry and said, 'That's why I love you. Yes, do it.'"

In addition to their wives, the brothers are survived by Joseph's children, Patrick, 14; Peter, 12; Casey, 10, and Danny, 7; and Daniel's children, Colin, 4; Abigail, 2, and Margaret Jean, 7 months. They also are survived by their mother, Joan Flanagan Shea of Pelham Manor; their siblings, Frank Shea, Tom Shea and Kathleen Munson, and their stepmother, Kathleen Shea.

When it seemed apparent that her husband had not escaped the disaster, Nancy Shea sat down with her children.

"Joe was big and strong, and he ran five miles, six days a week," she said. "They were sure that if anyone could have gotten out, he could have done it. On Thursday, I sat down and said, 'It's not going to happen, guys.' Of course, it was hard, and every minute has been hard since then."

Ellen Shea, who had been married to Daniel for 6 1/2 years, has taken comfort from reflecting on the time she did have with her husband.

"There was a lot of laughter," she said. "I've probably lived a fuller life in just those few years than a lot of people have lived in 99 years. And that helps me. It helps."

-- Jo Craven McGinty (Newsday)

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by don on Sep 12^th, 2004, 9:32pm

Some people never cease to amaze me.

Farmboy is from halifax, PA, USA.

Same state a plane went down in.

But he probably hasn't heard yet.

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Peppermint on Sep 12^th, 2004, 10:11pm

Well Don, I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one, but you know I hate agreeing with you.

Farmboy, you obviously have NO fucking understanding of just EXACTLY what went on that day.

I agree with you Stuey... watched and smelled that stench for a long time... My landmarks to home changed forever in the skyline. FEAR of going to work everyday because of the bomb scares FOR MONTHS on the bridges and trains. All the bomb scares in our area, with the police station only 3 blocks away. It was a military zone. And I'm in an OUTER borough. My daughter getting hysterical everytime one of those military copters flew overhead. We had many come down right close to our residential area at different times. The constant replay on the news and radio of what happened. Not knowing where your mother is for 8 or 9 hours that day, after she hung up the phone hysterical because she was there and watched and heard them hit from a block or two and being terrified that she was next because she works in a municipal building.

This city alone has got one knee up off the floor while trying to stand up. Give it a second to stand up before you start delivering your verbal blows. It will NEVER be overdramatized in my book and just be happy that those PICTURES you saw of people jumping you didn't have to see in person. Or the one of the flight attendant on the ground still strapped into her seat, bloodied and burnt.

I could go on but I think I've made my point.
Tired of the media slant maybe. But still grieving for ALL the things we've lost in this city, and in our country.

Peppermint

Title: Re: 9-11 thing
Post by Jeepgun on Sep 12^th, 2004, 10:52pm

Right on, Peppermint.