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(Message started by: lionsound on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:08am)

Title: I'm sad
Post by lionsound on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:08am

I'm sad.
It's deep, dark, heavy.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by Carl_D on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:10am

[smiley=hug.gif]
Would it cheer you up any to know you're not alone?

Carl

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by lionsound on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:20am

*tears*

yes

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by vig on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:21am

then I'll say it again, you're not alone.
Hang in there...
ROAR! ;;D

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by floridian on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:58am

Been depressed before - it sucks. How long you been feeling down?

Check your messages for maple syrup related talk.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by ExplodingEyeBall on Aug 31^st, 2004, 12:17pm

Take two of these and call me in the morning.

http://www.benjerry.com/assets/images/features/dis_candy.jpg

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by lionsound on Aug 31^st, 2004, 12:21pm

"How long you been feeling down?"

Clinically.....years. (Therapist, shrink and all that)

Since May it's gotten worse.
Serious emotional dredging going on.
and very recently sinking still more.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by thomas on Aug 31^st, 2004, 12:51pm

Go play outside, find some clover, smell it. Look at the clouds, it's a beautiful day. Pretend you are 12 again.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by Little Deb on Aug 31^st, 2004, 1:49pm

That is some good advice Thomas....some you might consider taking into your own life.

I've said it before and I shall say it again....

We have to have some bad in our life so we will recognize the good. Keep on sailing...smoother seas ahead. ;)

Big Hugs....................Little Deb

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by floridian on Aug 31^st, 2004, 1:59pm

For me, it was always a combination of physical and psychological events. My neurotransmitters function on a less than optimal level - my response to stressful events is often exaggerated compared to most people. But the deep episodes were triggered by something in my life that made me feel helpless.

Don't know what neurotransmitter support you have tried or considered and I'm not your doctor. I haven't tried standard meds, but would have if other things didn't work. Saint Johns wort and 5-htp did help me considerably (but shouldn't be taken if you are taking SSRI's or tricyclics). Even something as 'simple' as B-vitamins and fish oil have been shown to help.

Cognitive therapy has also helped me. I am coming to grips with my limits, my mortality. I know I can't do anything and everything, but I can do a lot of good. I know every moment won't be joyous, but I do sometimes feel joy. I can contribute to the well being of my family, friends, and communities. (And do something for myself as well - burn out doesn't help anyone).

Fom what I've read of your posts, its clear that you are an very decent human being with lots of things to offer. I hope this other beast that torments you is soon defeated.

Quote:

Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2003 Dec;69(6):477-85.

Eicosapentaenoic acid in the treatment of schizophrenia and depression: rationale and preliminary double-blind clinical trial results.

Peet M.

It has been hypothesised that polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) play an important role in the aetiology of schizophrenia and depression. Evidence supporting this hypothesis for schizophrenia includes abnormal brain phospholipid turnover shown by 31P Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy, increased levels of phospholipase A2, reduced niacin skin flush response, abnormal electroretinogram, and reduced cell membrane levels of n-3 and n-6 PUFA. In depression, there is strong epidemiological evidence that fish consumption reduces risk of becoming depressed and evidence that cell membrane levels of n-3 PUFA are reduced. Four out of five placebo-controlled double- blind trials of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) in the treatment of schizophrenia have given positive findings. In depression, two placebo-controlled trials have shown a strong therapeutic effect of ethyl-EPA added to existing medication. The mode of action of EPA is currently not known, but recent evidence suggests that arachidonic acid (AA) if of particular importance in schizophrenia and that clinical improvement in schizophrenic patients using EPA treatment correlates with changes in AA.

Quote:

J Clin Psychiatry. 2004 Aug;65(8):1090-1095.

Serum Folate, Vitamin B(12), and Homocysteine in Major Depressive Disorder, Part 1: Predictors of Clinical Response in Fluoxetine-Resistant Depression.

Papakostas GI, Petersen T, Mischoulon D, Ryan JL, Nierenberg AA, Bottiglieri T, Rosenbaum JF, Alpert JE, Fava M.

Depression Clinical and Research Program, Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston (Drs. Papakostas, Petersen, Mischoulon, Nierenberg, Rosenbaum, Alpert, and Fava and Ms. Ryan), and the Institute for Metabolic Diseases, Baylor University School of Medicine, Waco, Tex. (Dr. Bottiglieri).

OBJECTIVE: In the present study, we assessed the relationship between serum folate, vitamin B(12), and homocysteine levels and clinical response in patients with major depressive disorder (MDD) who had previously failed to respond to open treatment with fluoxetine 20 mg/day and were enrolled in a 4-week, double-blind trial of either (1) fluoxetine dose increase, (2) lithium augmentation of fluoxetine, or (3) desipramine augmentation of fluoxetine. METHOD: Fifty-five outpatients (mean +/- SD age = 41.7 +/- 10.6 years; 50.9% women) with MDD as assessed with the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-III-R who were enrolled in the double-blind trial had serum folate, vitamin B(12), and homocysteine measurements completed at baseline (prior to fluoxetine treatment initiation). Folate levels were classified as either low (</= 2.5 ng/mL) or normal. Vitamin B(12) levels were classified as either low (</= 200 pg/mL) or normal. Homocysteine levels were classified as either elevated (>/= 13.2 micromol/L) or normal. With the use of a logistic regression, we then assessed the relationship between (1) low or normal folate levels, (2) normal or low B(12) levels, and (3) elevated or normal homocysteine levels and clinical response to double-blind treatment. The study was conducted from November 1992 to January 1999. RESULTS: Low serum folate levels (chi(2) = 3.626, p =.04), but not elevated homocysteine (p >.05) or low vitamin B(12) levels (p >.05), were associated with poorer response to treatment. The response rates for patients with (N = 14) and without (N = 38) low folate levels were 7.1% versus 44.7%, respectively. CONCLUSION: Low serum folate levels were found to be associated with further treatment resistance among patients with fluoxetine-resistant MDD.

Fish oil and B-vitamins aren't always effective, and when they are, it may not be immediate, but they are safe and can be combined with other treatments. And for social support, we are here for you.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by IndianaJohn on Aug 31^st, 2004, 3:50pm

Hang in there.

you matter to us.

John

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by AndreaD on Aug 31^st, 2004, 4:08pm

You’ll fight again and further, I know you can, you're a CH sufferer! Ciao, Andrea

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by Charlie on Aug 31^st, 2004, 6:05pm

Sad to read this but Thomas is right. As hard as it seems, the best thing you can do is to at least take a walk around the block. I always surprised myself at how much better things looked when forced into getting out.

By the way, your posting is a good sign. Rant away, it's what this place is for.

Charlie

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by alleyoop on Aug 31^st, 2004, 9:08pm

May the peace beyond understanding descend upon and envelope you.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by kissmyglass on Aug 31^st, 2004, 9:20pm

Just think, It could be worse....you could be Carl_D ;;D

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by Jonny on Aug 31^st, 2004, 9:41pm

on 08/31/04 at 21:20:08, kissmyglass wrote:

Just think, It could be worse....you could be Carl_D ;;D

LMAO.....Kev ;;D

.................................jonny

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by Carl_D on Aug 31^st, 2004, 9:48pm

on 08/31/04 at 21:20:08, kissmyglass wrote:

Just think, It could be worse....you could be Carl_D ;;D

I haven't met a person yet whose willing to trade me lives. Hell, my oldest brother is always so grumpy and I don't know why. He is in good health, and has a wife and two children who adore him. I would love to trade lives with him just for a day - so then he would realize he has many reasons to be grateful and not such an ass. He's lucky he doesn't have the beast waking his ass up all hours of the night for some fun physical torture.

Peace in the valley,
Carl D

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by Lizzie2 on Aug 31^st, 2004, 10:40pm

Hugz to you...

Been going through a pretty deep depression myself for awhile now..

It isn't easy. I hate that battle more than anything sometimes. :(

I do get some comfort from taking walks or other calm things that bring me peace. Not much does, but it is nice sometimes just to be busy ... even with small tasks.

You can always PM me anytime..or IM me..my info is all in my profile.

Hugz,
Lizzie :)

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by eyes_afire on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:01pm

I know what you mean, Lionsound.
Those who haven't been there, will not know.
You are not alone.

--- Steve

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by cootie on Aug 31^st, 2004, 11:17pm

Is it jus me or does depression seem to come and go.....kinda like two weeks on and two weeks off typea deal ? Sometimes I don't even have a clue why I feel so down......somedays ya feel kinda special and other days ya feel kinda useless. Like nobody cares. Mystic moods Pam

Doin things ya like is a help cuz yer helpin yerself............

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by juvy on Sep 1^st, 2004, 5:23am

Lion,

How are you doing today?

Cheers,
Juvy

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by Dunnie on Sep 1^st, 2004, 8:12am

For me..........I always say out loud as often as I want
"AND THIS TO WILL COME TO PASS"

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by TomM on Sep 1^st, 2004, 8:17am

Hang in there, Lion. You definately are not alone.

Got Catnip? ;)

TomM

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by lionsound on Sep 1^st, 2004, 8:38am

(If I knew what to put at this moment, I'd write something here)

thank you,

-L

First day of school.
Will check in later.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by juvy on Sep 1^st, 2004, 9:20am

Lion,

Take care and I hope things go well for you today.

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by AlienSpaceBabe on Sep 1^st, 2004, 3:28pm

I understand....

You are not alone.... we are here for you.....

Perhaps it's time for another visit to the doctor/shrink? Can't hurt, probably will help.....

You are in our thoughts .....

Lizzie

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by lionsound on Sep 2^nd, 2004, 6:06am

O2, shower, ice, maxalt, ......you only get one guess. Didn't want to post last night because I didn't want to disappoint all of you the way I was disappointing myself.

I can actually feel the vibes radiating out from the screen and surrounding me. I am not alone.

I am still sad, but lifted up.

thank you for helping me,

lionsound

Title: Re: I'm sad
Post by alleyoop on Sep 2^nd, 2004, 7:05am

I don't know what you're using for prevents, but maybe you should consider adding lithium to your cocktail. Just a thought.

.................................alley