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(Message started by: don on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:19am)
Title: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by don on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:19am
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Hey. I'm a predator. What can I say. My job is to prey on people who suffer and wring out their wallets for everything I can get.

(Lets all send Nick a thank you note)


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I have not had a serious cluster headache in 5 months. I did feel one coming on about two weeks ago when I was driving, I IMMEDIATELY took 3 excedrin and had no headache. If I do feel one coming on, I drink a big cup of coffee, or take 3 Excedrin. I have also been taking herbal supplements called Bio-Lean II and Winergy/Food-for-Thought--also vasodialors (high in your B-Vitamins and other much needed vitamins). I am not trying to sell you anything, it is simply a suggestion, but if you want to try these vitamins out go to www.nickfit.net. It also helps me to stay up and active during the day. I noticed that I was getting the headaches during states of relaxation. I can take a lot of pain, and I refuse to take anything so powerful as to cause addiction to strong pain pills. If you have any questions about what is working for me, please do not hesitate to email me. Keep fighting!!
Nick Van De Linder <vandelin79@yahoo.com>
Tulsa, OK USA
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Jonny on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:29am
I knew there was a reason I shut my shop down......more time to fuck with Nick.....LOL ;;D

.................................jonny
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Little Deb on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:37am
Wow!  That is great for Nick!!
I will definately try that!  I used to take 3 Midol when I felt one coming on and it worked great too!  But then it stopped working.  Maybe if I add Nick's supplements it will work again????  I should ask him.  Don't ya think?  That would be so great if I could just take those 3 pills and a supplement and no more CH!!!!!
Someone should email Lori and tell her.  I am sure NECH would want to have this breakthru information!  I have also heard that taking 3 AlkaSeltzers will abort most CH.  Anyone tried that?????  I am thinking about buying stock in AlkaSeltzer, cause I know all of you are going to go out and buy it and maybe it will work for you!

gotta run....going out to get some Excedrin.  Does it have to be Excedrin Migraine?  Or will the regular do it??  Thanks Don, for sharing!  My thank you note is on the way!!!

there is light at the end of the tunnel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


running to dodge the freight train...................little deb
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by floridian on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:40am
What a nice, compassionate man. :P  Aspirin and coffee will abort a cluster, but only if we buy bioleen from his website. And he's not trying to sell us anything.  But biobaleen is loaded with vasodilators.  

OK, nicky, here's a clue: we don't want vasodilators.  Especially when we have cluster headaches, which are nothing like the headache you had while driving.  Our blood vessels are already over dilated. Maybe bioleanto  has vasoconstrictors, too, and it knows which one to bio-activate based on the condition of the patients blood?  

Yeah, we'll keep fighting (hucksters)!!
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Jeepgun on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:51am
Nick, get a plastic spoon so you can eat my ass.
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Melissa on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:53am
1 cup of baking soda and 3 cups vinegar, swallowed quickly together (haha good luck), works for me!!

;;D
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Kevin_M on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:55am

Quote:
If I do feel one coming on, I drink a big cup of coffee,


Well Nick, you sold me.  I'll have a large.  Oh, that's right though, you're not trying to sell me anything.  How stupid of me.


Quote:
I IMMEDIATELY took 3 excedrin and had no headache.

But why would we need your vitamins, you've told us how to get rid of our "headaches".


Kevin M  
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Little Deb on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:56am
Thanks Mel!  Gonna try that too!  Yummy!

Jeep, that was harsh!  Now say you are sorry......
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Jeepgun on Aug 31st, 2004, 10:09am

on 08/31/04 at 09:56:57, Little Deb wrote:
Jeep, that was harsh!  Now say you are sorry......


"I'm sorry."
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Rock_Lobster on Aug 31st, 2004, 11:00am

on 08/31/04 at 09:51:00, Jeepgun wrote:
Nick, get a plastic spoon so you can eat my ass.



on 08/31/04 at 09:56:57, Little Deb wrote:
Thanks Jeep!  Gonna try that too!  Yummy!


Man Deb.  You are a sick phuck.   ;;D
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by farmboy on Aug 31st, 2004, 12:28pm
Well this is what stopped my clusters right in there tracks.

I took 3 flinstone vitamans,  drank 1.5 guarts of Gatorade(only the lime green stuff works for me) walked backwards for 12 paces.  knocked one of those headaches out and i mean out cold. have been headache free ever since.  was just  amazing!!!!
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Lizzie2 on Aug 31st, 2004, 12:49pm

on 08/31/04 at 12:28:27, farmboy wrote:
 drank 1.5 guarts of Gatorade(only the lime green stuff works for me)



Dammit.  I've been buying the blue kind.  I KNEW that's why it didn't work!!!
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by saintslair on Aug 31st, 2004, 1:47pm

I tried the AlkaSeltzer thing , but I could get them up my nose without breaking them in half.
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by echo on Aug 31st, 2004, 1:49pm
I use TPT to abort mine.



edit:  Testicular Pain Transferance.


(AKA:  Vise Grip to nut)
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by catlind on Aug 31st, 2004, 1:49pm
Not sure about anything he is saying except that vasodialators TRIGGER attacks for me.  Vasoconstrictors are good things, but morphine and nitro, things that dialate the vessels will send me into an attack everytime.

Maybe he has tension headaches :)

I know that fumes are effective for some people too, I was told that if you mix ammonia and bleach to clean your bathtub it will definitely get rid of your headaches, maybe Nick should try that next time one hits....

(warning to all clusterheads, DO NOT TRY THIS)

Cat
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Little Deb on Aug 31st, 2004, 1:52pm
Echo.....did you mean TNT ???

Rock...I am NOT sick!!!  I just like plastic spoons!
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Jeepgun on Aug 31st, 2004, 2:01pm
Owie, Echo!  [smiley=nono.gif] [smiley=referee.gif]
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Little Deb on Aug 31st, 2004, 2:02pm
I still think TNT would be more effective....and you could use it in the same area! :o
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Charlie on Aug 31st, 2004, 5:50pm
Sure. I always had good luck with coffee and Excedrin. It worked just fine.....especially when I beat the walls and screamed.

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/vno.jpg

Charlie
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Cerberus on Aug 31st, 2004, 5:52pm
Hi my name is Ramon and I have never  NOT had a serious cluster... geez, hooked on O2 worked for me!

Ramon
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Carl_D on Aug 31st, 2004, 7:22pm
The only cure I know of is sucking on the end of a 12 gauge - but unfortunately it ends your life too.

Carl D

P.S. - Hey Nick...tihsymtae!!!
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by alleyoop on Aug 31st, 2004, 8:00pm

on 08/31/04 at 09:51:00, Jeepgun wrote:
Nick, get a plastic spoon so you can eat my ass.


Frank, I knew you weren't the HARD ASS you make yourself out to be!



.........................................alley ;;D
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by stevegeebe on Aug 31st, 2004, 8:12pm
What a round mouth!

Steve G
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by bobkip on Aug 31st, 2004, 8:33pm
Ah yes, we all know how vaso-dilators help. But what about magnets? BETA BLOCKERS! Or any of the other remedies that were "cures"? Can anyone say SNAKE OIL?
Kip
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Melissa on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:47pm
BOJI STONES!! BOJI STONES!!  Boji stones ROCK!! [smiley=headbanger.gif]



on 08/31/04 at 17:52:27, Cerberus wrote:
Hi my name is Ramon and I have never  NOT had a serious cluster... geez, hooked on O2 worked for me!

Ramon


I thought that said "hooked on OZ worked for me" ::)
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by farmboy on Aug 31st, 2004, 10:14pm
wow do you use the north or south pole magnets????
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by cootie on Aug 31st, 2004, 11:27pm
but where would you put those magnets for ch cure.......magnet headband.......around yer neck.......one in each eye.............where ? Paintrifical force Pam  
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by don on Sep 1st, 2004, 6:55am
Big magnets work well.

Strap a 40 pounder to your head and lay on the sidewalk. First VW that comes by.....WHAM........your out cold.

Aborts your CH AND you get some sleep.
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Donna H. on Sep 1st, 2004, 7:28am
I tried that once, don, but wouldn't you know it?  A meteor got me first.  They had to soak me in Excedrin and baking soda to unsquash me.
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Gator on Sep 1st, 2004, 1:09pm
This guy is worse than a lot of the snake oil salesman that come in here, because while the other peoples' cures may not have helped, this clown's cure will actually hurt someone.  

Here's my reply to this snake oil salesman:


Quote:
Subject:  I'm definitely interested...

...in you shutting the fuck up.

It's incredibly obvious you don't have cluster headaches and know nothing about them as you have prescribed something for sufferers that is a sure fire way to send them tripping to the emergency room.  With the litigious nature of our society, that can only mean one thing - lawsuit.  You had better pray that a cluster headache sufferer with a penchant for litigation doesn't take your recommendation.

You need to stay the hell away from www.clusterheadaches.com with your snake oil cures.  Cluster Headache sufferers that don't know any better will try almost anything to stop the pain.  Excedrin will not stop a cluster headache.  Neither will drinking "Red Bull," cat feces on the head or a gravity inversion table, among other things people have tried to push there.  It is down right scary the way you people come tromping into this website hawking your wares, caring not the damage you do.  Your case is especially heinous as the vasodilator effect of your venom would be excrutiatingly painful.

I'm all for capitalism, but not at the expense of causing someone pain through my actions.  If you had even the smallest shred of human decency, you would post a retraction and a public apology in the forum in which you may have personally caused some people great pain.



Yeah, Yeah, I know  -  way too nice.  Maybe this one actually has a conscience, though.  I'd like to think some of them do anyways.
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by cootie on Sep 1st, 2004, 1:31pm
You go boy....sock it to em good sock it to em hard Pam
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Gator on Sep 2nd, 2004, 1:30am
Well, Nicky Boy replied to my e-mail:


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Hey.  There are people on that have all sorts of screwed up ways that work for them.  This is the way that MY CLUSTER headaches get resolved.  My right eye shuts and my nose runs like a faucet, I bang my head and rock and walk around just like every poor soul that has these things.  IT WAS MERELY MY SUGGESTION OF WHAT WORKS FOR ME!!  So please-- reread what I put in there.  Vasodialators work for me only if I keep them going through my body.  I am not a doctor, I only recommended this to people so they could see if it worked, besides that, I don't make any money from people with those vitamins.  I am sorry you are so intelligent, please reply, I would love to share more in depth thoughts on snake oils.  Oh, and by the way, how the hell am I going to send someone to the hospital by taking Excedrin?  Why do you think that I would want to delibrately hurt someone with my, 'venom', B-12 and caffeine, how for the love of Christ do you think this will send someone to the hospital?  Oh yeah, there can't be any sort of litigation you moron, I simply made suggestion of what helped me!!  I in no way said that "this will cure all cluster headaches, you, in no way, will have these headaches again"  When you read something, think about it, before you reply with these off the wall statements.  That is all I have to reply to you.  

                                                                             Sincerely,
                                                                                       Nick


And replied again:


Quote:
I am sorry I lost my temper in the email I sent you.  I am not used to people telling me to shut the fuck up. I simply gave an option for people who might want to purchase those vitamins.  YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY THEM!!!!!!  I want you to know that I apologize to you and everyone else that is offended. The last thing I want is to have that many people mad at me for simply telling them what works for me.  If you read on the message board, there is a lady that drinks coffee and takes aspirin BEFORE the headache strikes and it worked for her.  Please try not to be so touchy in the matter, I was trying to help people.  Trust me, I do know what the headaches feel like, and sometimes you do want to get a gun and blast that headache out! Please reply so we can make ammends.  We have both shared excrutiating pain like this and I am here to tell you, excedrin and B vitamins don't always work--it is what works best for me.        Nick vandelin79@yahoo.com


Awwww, how touching.  Maybe we should get together with Nick and sing Kum "Buy" Ya (BioLean) now.

Gator
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Gator on Sep 2nd, 2004, 1:40am
And again I sent him a response:


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It does not matter to me if you make a dime from whatever it is you are selling.  My current mission in life and that of a lot of us REAL cluster headache sufferers is to try to inform other sufferers of diagnostic and treatment options to discuss with their physicians.  We do not sell anything nor do we recommend any medication.  We provide information for people to discuss with their doctors - nothing more.  The second part of that mission is to try to protect sufferers from people that would prey upon their desire to find relief or from people who just don't know what they are talking about giving bad advice.  

I have read your guest book entry numerous times.  No matter how you try to re-word it afterwords, the fact remains that you stated that you personally used these supplements and they work for you, insinuating that this is what keeps your ch at bay.  You most certainly did try to sell something.  Basically what your first message said was, "I'm not trying to sell you anything, but you are welcomed to come to my business website and buy some of what works for me."


Anyone can and many have read the information on the website and faked their symptoms to try to sell "What worked for them."  That's the same approach the people touting the efficacy of rubbing cat feces on their heads used - "Hey, it worked for me."  You could almost hear them snickering in the background.  Problem is that you didn't remember everything you read and put vasodilator as an abortive/preventative.  If you really had cluster headaches and were intelligent enough to know the difference, then you would have known the right word to use.  It would be painfully ingrained in your mind.

Regardless of how loudly or how often you repeat it, Excedrin will not stop a ch.  Extra Strength Excedrin Migraine will not stop a ch.  Aspirin, Midol, Naproxyn, Ibuprofin, Ketoprofin, Fioricet, Alka Seltzer, Benadryl, Tylenol, Tylenol Allergy Sinus, Pseudophedrine and so on and so forth - all useless.  Hell, for me; Percocet, Flexoril, Oxycontin, Tramadol, Oxycodone, even 200 mg of Demerol doesn't stop a ch.  The ONLY thing that will abort my ch are 100% oxygen @ 12 - 15 lpm for 10 - 20 minutes through a non-rebreathing mask and Zomig (zolmitriptan) Nasal Spray (and maybe imitrex injections - I haven't tried them yet) and they do not work 100% of the time.

It is very convenient and more than a little suspisious that AFTER you learned what works for ch, you wrote "Oops, I meant to say....."  My children try that one, too.  It doesn't work for them either.  You have less than zero credibility here.  

Sorry chum, you're not the first and you won't be the last.


Gator
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by ClusterChuck on Sep 2nd, 2004, 2:38am
Ummmm ... Gator, quit beating around the bush.  How do you REALLY feel about snake oil salesmen?

BTW, send me your credit card number, and I will sell you this miracle cure!  Stops CH, dead in its tracks.  Also helps for broken bones, sleeplessness, dandruff, liver ailments, ingrown toenails, and bee stings.

This is NOT a snake oil!  It actually comes from a lizzard.

Chuck
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Gator on Sep 2nd, 2004, 3:54am

on 09/02/04 at 02:38:27, ClusterChuck wrote:
Ummmm ... Gator, quit beating around the bush.  How do you REALLY feel about snake oil salesmen?

BTW, send me your credit card number, and I will sell you this miracle cure!  Stops CH, dead in its tracks.  Also helps for broken bones, sleeplessness, dandruff, liver ailments, ingrown toenails, and bee stings.

This is NOT a snake oil!  It actually comes from a lizzard.

Chuck


Well, hell.  I missed the part about the ingrown toenails.  I'll take a 28 serving supply, which is only $70 on his website!

I wonder just how much he "doesn't" make on these pills?


Gator
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by don on Sep 2nd, 2004, 7:24am

Quote:
Please try not to be so touchy in the matter


Lay of the poor guy Gator.!

Its just a headache for Christs sake. Take some vitamins and go lay down.
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Rock_Lobster on Sep 2nd, 2004, 7:30am

on 09/02/04 at 07:24:05, don wrote:
Lay of the poor guy Gator.!

Its just a headache for Christs sake. Take some vitamins and go lay down.


Take two of these, Gator, and call me in the morning.  (50+, since you are an old crone).   ;;D

http://www.herbpalace.com/vitamins/one%20a%20day%2050%20plus.jpg
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Luke63 on Sep 2nd, 2004, 12:35pm

on 08/31/04 at 09:53:11, Melissa wrote:
1 cup of baking soda and 3 cups vinegar, swallowed quickly together (haha good luck), works for me!!

;;D
 Isn't that used a s a Douche? [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by farmboy on Sep 2nd, 2004, 2:19pm
I must agree with Don .............  Ok i take that back.

Take 3 and e-mail us in the morning
That should get rid of your headache
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Melissa on Sep 2nd, 2004, 4:59pm

on 09/02/04 at 12:35:01, Luke63 wrote:
 Isn't that used a s a Douche? [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Luke, I said SWALLOWED, not injected!

LMFAO!! [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Lizzie2 on Sep 2nd, 2004, 5:12pm
I didn't read the guest book entry yet LOL  But he was pushing B12, caffeine, and some vitamin supplement called BioLean?  Is the BioLean what we are trying to get him to shut up about?  Just don't want to read through all the BS if I don't have to! lol

Speaking of magnets, my dad paid a ton of money one time to order magnets for me to try.  They had little sticky things that you stuck on the back of them so that they stuck to your forehead.  They were a pain...always getting stuck in my hair and all kinds of crap.  I only tried them cuz he spent the money and I felt bad.  His heart was in the right place!!!  He even tried cutting open a sweatband and putting them in there to avoid the stickiness of them.

I know it sounds totally nuts...and I really don't believe that magnets would help in any way shape or form.  He used some magnetized thing on his foot which actually did help him heal after his car accident in 97, so I think that he was just thinking if it helped heal his foot, maybe it would help my headache!!  LOL  Oh well...really he did have good intentions!!

After a week of trying them, he sent them back and got his money back.  Hehe  He sometimes suggests a lot of crazy stuff, but I know his heart is in the right place.  He just doesn't know any better!!

Lizzie :)
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Gator on Sep 3rd, 2004, 5:41pm

on 09/02/04 at 17:12:38, Lizzie2 wrote:
I didn't read the guest book entry yet LOL  But he was pushing B12, caffeine, and some vitamin supplement called BioLean?  Is the BioLean what we are trying to get him to shut up about?  Just don't want to read through all the BS if I don't have to! lol



Dude was trying to push "Something that worked for him"  At first his Biolean had a vasodilator agent that helped cluster headaches.  After several e-mails telling him he was full of shit, he came back saying "Oooops.  I meant vaso-constrictor...."  

Just another snake oil salesman and not a very bright one at that.

Gator
Title: Re: Not trying to sell anything......but
Post by Jayne on Sep 3rd, 2004, 7:15pm
Nah, I have the cure....
stand on yer head, stick yer thumb up your arse and whistle Dixie.
It stops mine every time, but my roommate is moving out.  :-/ .....sensitive bastard.


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