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Title: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of..NCH Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:30am I tend to stay away from political issues as a whole when discussed in a forum like this. Sometimes gets weird. My personal political beliefs are irrelevant….and to be honest I do not profess to be an expert on either party, the history of or the true merits vs. the true negatives of each …. Here is what I find very interesting though, based on the definitions of the words used to define our Political Parties: #1. We live in a nation that is considered a democracy Now again not being “political” Say our “Pledge of Allegiance” and remember that… (continued) |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:30am Merriam-Webster Dictionary Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -cies Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dEmokratia, from dEmos + -kratia -cracy 1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections 2 : a political unit that has a democratic government 3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S. 4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority 5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges Vs. Main Entry: re·pub·lic  Pronunciation: ri-'p&-blik Function: noun Etymology: French république, from Middle French republique, from Latin respublica, from res thing, wealth + publica, feminine of publicus public -- more at REAL, PUBLIC 1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic> 2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters> Continued |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:31am #2….And to the Republic for which it stands… To me both of those definitions sound about right…. Main Entry: dem·o·crat Pronunciation: 'de-m&-"krat Function: noun 1 a : an adherent of democracy b : one who practices social equality 2 capitalized : a member of the Democratic party of the U.S. Main Entry: re·pub·li·can Pronunciation: ri-'p&-bli-k&n Function: noun 1 : one that favors or supports a republican form of government 2 capitalized a : a member of a political party advocating republicanism b : a member of the Democratic-Republican party or of the Republican party of the U.S. Main Entry: Democratic-Republican Function: adjective : of or relating to a major American political party of the early 19th century favoring a strict interpretation of the constitution to restrict the powers of the federal government and emphasizing states' rights #3 G.O.P. History (www.GOP.com) Continued |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:32am The Republican Party was born in the early 1850's by anti-slavery activists and individuals who believed that government should grant western lands to settlers free of charge. Read the Republican Oath … (Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party where the GOP derived it’s name) By today’s standards this was very “liberal” just based upon the buzz words that we currently use Main Entry: lib·er·al Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&l Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lEodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free 1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth 2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : AMPLE, FULL 3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS 4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE <a liberal translation> 5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms 6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives continued[b][/b] |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:33am Main Entry: con·ser·va·tive Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-tiv Function: adjective 1 : PRESERVATIVE 2 a : of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism : as (1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) : PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE 3 a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : TRADITIONAL b : marked by moderation or caution <a conservative estimate> c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners <a conservative suit> #4 To me It seems that each party uses bits of the formal definitions to “slander” each other… Republicans will say Democrats are Evil LIBERALS based on definition (3) lacking moral restraint Democrats will say that Republicans are Right-wing CONSEVATIVE possibly because the views don’t change despite the “times” they are maintained. Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-"ti-z&m Function: noun 1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party 2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change 3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change Vs. Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m Function: noun 1 : the quality or state of being liberal 2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party #5 Is this not what the Republican Party wants??? continued some of the symbols came out funky from cut and pastes (smiley for example. not menat to be in there) |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:35am I honestly don’t get many things in regard to Politics. I have my personal feelings and believe what I do based upon what I feel is best for my family, profession & society as a whole. This may change from Era to Era. I guess that is what would make me very moderate in my beliefs. I guess this is rare these days. Thanks for the space. Just curious what and how people feel. & Please nothing heated. NOT MEANT TO SPARK ANYHTING> JUST Definitions.... Take care, Eric |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by Jeepgun on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:44am We live in a Republic. |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:57am on 08/13/04 at 09:44:35, Jeepgun wrote:
Absolutely and our government is a democracy.... In my opinion though too much "left" vs. "right" Aren't there people out there besides myself who might me in the middle WITHOUT being wishy washy as some put it. I certainly stand strong on many a view but it definitely depends on the Who not just the Party |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by Jeepgun on Aug 13th, 2004, 10:03am Most of my views tend towards the conservative end of the spectrum, but I think of myself as mostly moderate. |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by Magman on Aug 13th, 2004, 10:12am Time for a revolution to regain that beloved expression of ....[of, by and for the people]. Both parties have their own agenda and it does not contain our best interests at heart. just my [smiley=twocents.gif] |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 10:18am on 08/13/04 at 10:03:53, Jeepgun wrote:
I find as I get older (I'm nearly 31.Just a baby to some of you :)) I definitely have gone from the very "liberal" college kid to very in the middle. Some "Right" beliefs I agree with and Some"Left" and that may also be based on State government. Being a Special Educator and a sibling of a developmentally disabled individual I might lean more towards the "left" based upon what I find in NY gov. over the past decade regarding such. Ironic though... My father (a small business owner) leans towards the "right" I certainly understand because of how he did during Reaganomics. I'm not opening that door!! I'm not an economist that can swing it either way ;) Enjoying the exchange :) Nice to discuss without HEAT E |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by farmboy on Aug 13th, 2004, 10:48am hey jeep you are right this is to be a republic. but sure seems we have lost our way. |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by E-Double on Aug 13th, 2004, 10:53am on 08/13/04 at 10:48:16, farmboy wrote:
I could feel it Farmboy...yor gonna spark some heat down the line. Keeping it tame..... Eric |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by alleyoop on Aug 13th, 2004, 10:57am I'm with notSeinfeld on this one. .........................................alley ;) |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by Jeepgun on Aug 13th, 2004, 11:48am Right on, Eric. And yeah, it's nice to actually have a discussion without flaming, insults, or any of the usual tired rhetoric. Nice job, CHers. :) |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by kimh on Aug 13th, 2004, 12:59pm Like you Eric, my beliefs started off leaning liberal and have evolved more towards the conservative. I agree with issues on both sides and disagree with issues on both sides :) What i do know is that although issues often become heated, i am grateful for the checks and balances....it is essential. pfdan |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by eyes_afire on Aug 13th, 2004, 8:13pm Quote:
There are choices. Vote Libertarian. Quote:
Agreed. Let's start now. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by Jonny on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:33pm on 08/13/04 at 11:48:33, Jeepgun wrote:
You Rang?.........LMAO ;;D Four cans of hornet spray on the bees and they still live...WTF are these things made of?. Nine midgets rang my door bell, the bees ate them. I think the bees like to eat midgets because they have gotten bigger, never feed your bees midgets if you can help it. The bees have now takin the faces of the midgets and they are the size of VW bugs (Just great, like I need more bugs!) I have a can of air, it says "Do not shake"....Im gonna shake it........... The bees are looking in the windows....shouldnt they be sleeping at 9 pm?......and why are they speaking spanish?....WTF up with that? Why do they make Zomig NS with a cap that you have to use all your strenght to remove?......Bastards!! They are knocking now, im ready for them..... |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by Charlie on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:45pm This is a Republic. Lbertarians are where my GOP went. I would like them better if they would admit that sometimes government has to help people. This is not 1890. Republicans stopped beng Republicans. They are anything but conservative. Conservatives don't try to tell us what to do and have us believe that God is a Republican. I'd be pissed if I were God. It's also quite true that the GOP was the radical party when it was formed. The term Radical Republicans stuck with them for some time but meant something very different in the south after the war. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Definitions vs Buzz words. Editorial sort of.. Post by Lizzie2 on Aug 13th, 2004, 9:48pm on 08/13/04 at 21:33:30, Jonny wrote:
You alright over there? Definately rip the caps off the zomig while you're not getting hit....it's just gonna piss you off more if you can't get it when you need it!! If you need anything that we all can help with...let us know!! Hugz, the kid:) |
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