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(Message started by: Donna H. on Aug 10^th, 2004, 11:56am)

Title: DJ..........a request
Post by Donna H. on Aug 10^th, 2004, 11:56am

It is now obvious that many of us believe in prayer. We have actually seen results of our own prayers being answered.

So as not to irritate those that do not wish to be constantly exposed to our differing beliefs, I wish we could have a catagory of our own on this message board.

That way, those needing prayer can ask for it, and those wishing to offer prayer and fasting can do it. It could be an organized catagory with organized functions when warranted. We could make every Sunday a special day. Wow, this is exciting!!

If this happens, I would like to reinstate CHangels, as I had to abandon it when I became ill and have not had the time (this is a shame on me) when I was involved as a board member. We could call the catagory the Clusterville Upper Room.

Thanks to Ree and her openly continuing prayers for our clusterheads and their families.

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by synergy2120 on Aug 10^th, 2004, 12:02pm

Sounds like a great idea to me!!!!

;;D ;;D ;;D

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Karla on Aug 10^th, 2004, 12:45pm

I think this is a wonderful and appropriate idea. Good thinking Donna.

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by ShariRae on Aug 10^th, 2004, 1:17pm

I would like to second that!
Shari

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by farmboy on Aug 10^th, 2004, 1:20pm

sounds like a winner to me

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by IndianaJohn on Aug 10^th, 2004, 1:36pm

I think that is a great idea!

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Gator on Aug 10^th, 2004, 1:39pm

Besides being separatist, I think that it will mostly double effort. Almost everyone who needs help or is having a bad time will end up being cross posted in the General area anyways. If not, then I'm sure those who you are trying not to offend would still end up reading through a good deal of it, beacuse while they may not believe in God or in prayer or whatever, they are still concerned with fellow clusterheads regardless of religion.

I think most of the people here are adults who can read through the stuff that bugs them to get to the information they need. Personally, I think the last thing we need are Christian and Non-Christian areas. It is our differing beliefs and the way we come together because of or in spite of them that make us such a unique family.

Just MY take.

Gator

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by pubgirl on Aug 10^th, 2004, 1:40pm

What a fantastic idea Donna!
Our local church always has a section of the service where we all contribute the people's names who need our special prayers at that time, whatever their religion or belief
It doesn't need to be denominational, or even strictly religious at all. People could just use it to send vibes or well wishes and good thoughts

It would feel a bit like that I hope

Wendy

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Svenn on Aug 10^th, 2004, 1:41pm

on 08/10/04 at 13:39:09, Gator wrote:

With you on this 1 Gator

Svenn

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Donna H. on Aug 10^th, 2004, 2:48pm

Excellent point Gator....It hadn't occured to me that it might set up two different camps. That's the last thing we need to do.

What about us just setting up a room where people can show up on Sunday if they want to, but keep the general board just as it is now.

Not excluding anything that is going on now.

Those of us who want to can do some serious praying if we so desire, for whoever we picked up on the general board as needing help.

Nothing changes....except adding a church to the village.

We will always be family regardless of belief.

Thanks for your input and keep the pros and cons coming.

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Edna on Aug 10^th, 2004, 3:34pm

ooh wow! Hate to put in 2 cents worth when it comes to religion, but think I must state what I believe on this matter.

First of all, having been here long enough to know from experience, when it concerns one of our own, the difference of our religion doesn't matter. We care as genuinely about one as the other whether we all practice the same faith or not. As for that matter, even those who choose NOT to practice the belief in faith have been known to show their true concern with well wishes and vibes all generated from being part of this family.

Secondly, it is my opinion that IF we actually DO...."irritate those that do not wish to be constantly exposed to our differing beliefs"......then this place is going straight to hell anyway so why bother!!!!

Sorry, don't mean to offend, but think we have enough division here already and don't need to find reasons to create more.

Anyway, "I" for one have NO reason to want to hide in another room to offer up my prayers or well wishes or anything of the sort.

Now, if DJ thinks it a good plan, then we'll all have to just learn to accept it.

Hoping that this in no way creates controversy that is certainly NOT needed here.

pf wishes along with prayers for those suffering right now,
EDNA

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Karla on Aug 10^th, 2004, 7:04pm

Our church has a prayer website set up where people will be praying for the posts 24 hours a day. The address is www.wnop.org for world network of prayer. It is a wonderful site devoted strickly for prayer for people for any issue.

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by alleyoop on Aug 10^th, 2004, 8:01pm

I'd have to say that I go along with Gator, Svenn and Edna on this, although a non-denominational "prayer room" might work.

Some "praying hands" in the Smilies would be nice!

..............................................alley :)

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Charlie on Aug 10^th, 2004, 8:17pm

I'm in the Gator camp as well.

I'm not at all religious but that others are has never bothered me. You won't find me being upset with people posting that they find so much comfort in religion. In fact, I'm jealous as all get out.

Charlie

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Donna H. on Aug 10^th, 2004, 11:47pm

Really glad to hear your opinions and as far as I am concerned, this matter can just end here.

What we have works, so let's not try to fix it.

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Simon on Aug 11^th, 2004, 8:04am

Donna,

Glad you see the point - as an atheist I would never visit an "Upper Room" (might even be offended that I was left in the "Lower Room"!).

Like some of the others who've posted I think it important to see who is wanting help or support on the main board. I do think about people and their needs in my own way, but don't wish to see them separated off by creed, colour or anything else. That way lies perdition...

Baa

(Lovely thread through - shows ch.com at its best!) :)

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Peppermint on Aug 11^th, 2004, 9:10am

on 08/10/04 at 20:01:57, alleyoop wrote:

.

Some "praying hands" in the Smilies would be nice!

..............................................alley :)

This website has some "praying type smilies" :

http://forums.catholic.com/misc.php?do=showsmilies

There are many more out there I"m sure. 4

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by alleyoop on Aug 11^th, 2004, 9:44am

http://forums.catholic.com/images/smilies/signs/amen.png

Thanks Pep..........................

.....................................alley :)

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Prense on Aug 11^th, 2004, 9:45am

Can we get a JW and Morman board? ;;D

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Tiannia on Aug 11^th, 2004, 10:35am

on 08/11/04 at 09:45:32, Prense wrote:

Can we get a JW and Morman board? ;;D

hehe

While I am extremely spiritual and strong in what I believe, I accept the "prayers" that have been offered each and every time that I have needed them. It does nto matter to whome or what you call your higher power. The power that genuin concer and care for others is what makes miricles happen. This board has proved that time and time again.

I think that Gator and Edna put it very well. (And Donna as well) Lets not fix what is already working.

PF wishes everone and May the Winds of Fate carry you with Gentle breezes...

Blessed Be,
-Tia

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Samantha_Smith on Aug 11^th, 2004, 12:00pm

I'm sorry...but I'm with Gator on this point. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I was baptized about 18 months ago and my life has changed forever. I agree that having a section for prayer will only further divide the cluster headache community. So far for divisions (and other points of disagreement or contention) we have:

--mushroom users vs. non mushroom users
--narcotic users vs. non narcotic users
--migraine suffferers (who think they have CH but don't) vs. true cluster headache sufferers
--some OUCH related issues
--political issues (abortion, the presidential elections, etc.)

And I'm sure the list can go on and on.....

There have been several times when I have seen a person express interest in Christianity and I have privately contacted them. Thru these private contacts we have shared our prayer requests, stories, testimonies, etc. It has been very rewarding.

Plus, I hate to say it but all prayer is not created equal (please view this as yet another possible bone of contention that could possibly arise if a seperate board was created for prayer). I pray to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ---I don't pray to Allah or Buddha, or whatever else is out there. If I know someone is Muslim then I wouldn't ask the to pray for me because I don't believe in their god. Sorry...... Again--don't take personal offense but please view the above paragraph as another possible division that could happen if a prayer board was created.

Alternatives:

If a post really hits your heart then pray for them privately by yourself or contact them privately and ASK if it is okay for you to pray for them.

Start a thread and ask people if they would like to participate in a prayer group, exchange email's and possibly phone numbers.

Start another website specifically designed to pray for CH sufferers.
Samantha

P.S. At 110 pounds and at 5 '5 " tall I AIN"T gonna fast for nobody.

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Edna on Aug 11^th, 2004, 7:47pm

Whew, think I got by that one without a flame!!! ;)

thanks Donna, you came here to family to offer a suggestion and were mature enough to handle differences of opinion.

None of us are right or wrong, I'm just glad we were able to "discuss" and remain respectful.

hugs,
EDNA

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Jonny on Aug 11^th, 2004, 9:24pm

Im really not one that should be speaking on this but aint what we are doing now sufficient?

......................................jonny

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Ree on Aug 11^th, 2004, 9:35pm

sounds good to me j...jus go with the flooooooooo... ree

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Ree on Aug 11^th, 2004, 9:38pm

on 08/11/04 at 10:35:16, Tiannia wrote:

i like what you said T... very nice... Creator, Jesus etc... its all about love...........ree

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by IndianaJohn on Aug 11^th, 2004, 9:39pm

I would accept prayers from anybody of any faith. The intentions are still the same.

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Gator on Aug 11^th, 2004, 10:30pm

on 08/11/04 at 12:00:54, Samantha_Smith wrote:

I pray to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ---I don't pray to Allah or Buddha, or whatever else is out there. If I know someone is Muslim then I wouldn't ask the to pray for me because I don't believe in their god.

Disclaimer: The following is an attempt at levity and in no way should be considered an actual attack on someone's beliefs. Were this an actual attack on someone's beliefs you would have been given instructions on where to go and how to get off.

Yeah, you wouldn't want any of them "lesser Gods" helping you out. ;;D

We now continue with our regularly scheduled discussion. Thank you for not raining fire and brimstone down upon me.

Hell, as far as I'm concerned all us CH'ers are "Children of a Lesser God" and I'll take whatever good will, wishes, vibes, juju, mojo and prayers someone is willing to offer.

Gator
I know, I know. I couldn't help myself. [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by Samantha_Smith on Aug 12^th, 2004, 11:14am

I'm pleased to see that my previous post has served it purpose--to demonstrate that religion/prayer can cause division and contention. I received a private email from someone who said that my (previous) post included "factual flaws" about Muslims, etc. (Whether or not it did have factual flaws is beside the point--my point is that religion/prayer will cause contention.)

In addition, he pointed out that I should have listed 3 categories under "headaches"--1.) those who have migraines (but think they are clusters), 2.) those who have migraines and 3.) those who have clusters. Looking back now I feel there should have 4 categories and add--4.) "those who have migraines AND clusters" to the list. (I think this person may have been kidding but I wasn't sure.) This person PM me because "he didn't want to start a flame war."

Is my point understood now????? Religion/prayer would further divide people and cause strife.

Okay...the intellectual exercise in the possible consequences of a prayer board is over now. Whew!

Samantha

And I agree with Johnny that we are "doing enough already" in the area of prayer, vibes, etc. Wow! I think that was my first time ever being in agreement with Johnny. LOL!

Title: Re: DJ..........a request
Post by SFChris on Aug 12^th, 2004, 3:50pm

All:

This is a healthy thread - I don't post often anymore because of the some of the divisions (and often mob mentality) that have been created - I sometimes personalize some of the debates here (which is my problem), but we don't need another divider.

If this does move forward, I suggest it be non-denominational, as opposed to "Christian". This is a world-wide message board, and shouldn't be specific to any religion.

That said - it's great to see people playing nicely on a very sensitive topic.

Chris