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(Message started by: thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 6:53pm)

Title: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 6:53pm
Tommy

-----Original Message-----

Subject: "SF Team" 80="Muslims" 0!! A heart-warming note from Army
Special Forces friend in Iraq! This sure ruined the day for Dems/Libs!

I have sanitized the authors name/specific unit for obvious reasons  but he's part of an Army Special Forces (Green Berets) contingent in  Iraq that are really kicking ass and delivering a load of well deserved "paybacks" on Muslim enemy.
No wonder the Libs/Dems are whining like stuck pigs, I mean "traitors" (My apologies to the pigs of the World!), THEIR boys are getting creamed!

Take heart and enjoy the read! B.L. _____________________________________________________________________
_ _______________________________________
...Anyway, here is some ammo for bragging rights. One of our teams  from my BN just got 80 confirmed kills in a
4 hour firefight. There was no friendly KIA or WIA.
Oh, what makes it even better is how we confirmed it.
There is a new policy in effect over there that all enemy KIA have to be secured and stored until the Red Cross can come and pick them up.
Our boys loaded all the bodies up in trucks like cord wood. There is  confirmation for ya!! Another tid bit of information..... there was  only 10 guys on that team.
Pretty good kill ratio if I do say so myself!!!

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by alleyoop49 on Jun 30th, 2004, 7:01pm
[smiley=sayyes.gif] [smiley=bash.gif] [smiley=bash.gif] [smiley=bash.gif] [smiley=sayyes.gif]

Not just Yeah!, but "HELL YEAH"

Thanks Tommy, uh Thomas!

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 7:04pm

on 06/30/04 at 19:01:56, alleyoop49 wrote:
Thanks Tommy,

Yeah only aunts, uncles and grandparents get to call me THAT name.  ;;D

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by jonny on Jun 30th, 2004, 7:06pm
[smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=bigguns.gif] [smiley=bigguns.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif]

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by KingOfPain on Jun 30th, 2004, 8:00pm

Our force:http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1033.gif


Terrorists:http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_5_133.gif



;;D



Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Charlie on Jun 30th, 2004, 8:05pm

Quote:
Subject: "SF Team" 80="Muslims" 0!! A heart-warming note from Army
Special Forces friend in Iraq! This sure ruined the day for Dems/Libs!


Didn't break my heart any.

Is there anything that you won't politicize?

Charlie

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 8:17pm

on 06/30/04 at 20:05:56, Charlie wrote:
Didn't break my heart any.

Is there anything that you won't politicize?

Charlie

I almost took that part out, actually Charlie.  But it was an e-mail from some one and I just pasted it.  I hate politics, Charlie.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by jonny on Jun 30th, 2004, 8:30pm

on 06/30/04 at 20:05:56, Charlie wrote:
Is there anything that you won't politicize?


If your talking about how many we kill I think it should be on the news all day long, why not.....All they tell us is how many ours boys are killed.

Why?

.....................................................jonny

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by alleyoop49 on Jun 30th, 2004, 9:06pm

on 06/30/04 at 20:30:11, jonny wrote:
If your talking about how many we kill I think it should be on the news all day long, why not.....All they tell us is how many ours boys are killed.

Why?

.....................................................jonny


Ain't that the truth! But whatever you do, don't call our media biased.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by alleyoop49 on Jun 30th, 2004, 9:18pm
http://boortz.com/more/cartoons/052504_media_bias.html

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jun 30th, 2004, 10:22pm
Fuckineh!! The men in the SF kick ASS!! I hope they air it all over Al-Jizz, so that every little radical assh*le who thinks about becoming an "insurgent," suddenly reconsiders. And if you think THAT'S ferocious, just wait until this new government decides that it's had enough of their shit. Whoo-boy...

LET FREEDOM RING! God bless Iraq and her noble people as they open a new chapter in their history, lives, and shine as a beacon to others.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Jimmy_B on Jun 30th, 2004, 10:57pm
Here was a great story involving the zero coalition casualty rate in a 4 hour firefight...that the author turned into a Republican commercial.

I'm sick to my stomach...not that our Special Forces had this victory but that someone would make it nothing more then a Republican sound bite.

quote..."No wonder the Libs/Dems are whining like stuck pigs, I mean "traitors" (My apologies to the pigs of the World!), THEIR boys are getting creamed!"end quote

Most of us didn't fight for the Pubs or Dems...we fought for Country.

Jimmy

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Sean_C on Jun 30th, 2004, 11:22pm
http://tinyurl.com/8w7i

I love this pic, it says it all  ;;D

Sean..............

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by alleyoop49 on Jun 30th, 2004, 11:29pm

on 06/30/04 at 22:57:04, Jimmy_B wrote:
Here was a great story involving the zero coalition casualty rate in a 4 hour firefight...that the author turned into a Republican commercial.

I'm sick to my stomach...not that our Special Forces had this victory but that someone would make it nothing more then a Republican sound bite.


on Today at 8:05pm, Charlie wrote:

Didn't break my heart any.  

Is there anything that you won't politicize?

Charlie  

Thomas(original poster) answered:
I almost took that part out, actually Charlie.  But it was an e-mail from some one and I just pasted it.  I hate politics, Charlie.

You need to read the entire thread b4 posting.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Charlie on Jul 1st, 2004, 3:08am
It's money. Not bias. Even Fox wastes our time on the same old Kobe Bryant and Peterson thing. Who cares? Bores me to death >:(

Noboby will watch a safe landing or a fire that never got started. It's gotta sell those diet pills and SUVs

Charlie

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Jimmy_B on Jul 1st, 2004, 10:36am

on 06/30/04 at 23:29:35, alleyoop49 wrote:
on Today at 8:05pm, Charlie wrote:

Didn't break my heart any.  

Is there anything that you won't politicize?

Charlie  

Thomas(original poster) answered:
I almost took that part out, actually Charlie.  But it was an e-mail from some one and I just pasted it.  I hate politics, Charlie.

You need to read the entire thread b4 posting.



Please re-read my post Alley oop....I said. quote...that the author turned into a Republican commercial. ...end quote

I was aware what Thomas had said previous & my post did not include him but the Author of the pasted E-Mail....

Jimmy


Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 1st, 2004, 12:59pm
Facts and Figures


Education

3300 Iraqi schools renovated, or soon to be completed, since the overthrow of Saddam ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

9 Million New math and science textbooks printed and distributed with pro-Saddam propaganda extracted ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

85% Primary and secondary schools that have re-opened since the overthrow of Saddam ("Free After 50 Years of Tyranny," The Observer, October 5, 2003)

159,000 Student desks distributed to Iraqi schools ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

81,735 Teaching kits distributed to Iraqi primary school teachers ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

Human Rights

71% Proportion of Iraqis in a February 2004 survey that said they expected their lives to be even better in a year ("National Survey of Iraq," Oxford Research International, February 2004)

76,000 New jobs created by the Iraqi National Employment Program ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

600 New judges presently working in Iraqi Courts of Law ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

170 Newspapers currently published in Iraq ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

33% Percentage of Iraqis that receive worldwide information via satellite ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

70 Mosques refurbished by coalition forces(bold highlighting, mine. WOW!!)("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

Healthcare

$1 Billion Current budget for the Iraqi Ministry of Health; 25 times greater than the $16 million annual budget under Saddam's reign ("A Year After Liberation," The Washington Post, April 9, 2004)

25% Increase in immunization rates among Iraqi children ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

75 Iraqi medical facilities refurbished by the Coalition Provisional Authority ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

700,000 Pregnant Iraqi women received a tetanus toxoid vaccination to improve their pre-natal healthcare ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

Infrastructure

500,000 Average increase in the daily number of oil barrels produced ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

16 Average number of hours of electricity for Iraqi citizens; a 40 percent increase from levels under Saddam ("What We've Accomplished," Fox News Sunday, April 30, 2004)

20 Million Iraqis of the country's 27 million citizens receive clean water due to new water and sanitation projects ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)

1,005,580 Iraqi telephone subscribers; a 20 percent increase from under Saddam ("Countdown to Sovereignty," Coalition Provisional Authority, countdowntosovereignty.org)


Government and Politics

67 Iraqi cities with fully functioning municipalities only four months after the beginning of the war ("The Real Iraq," The New York Post, July 17, 2003)

85% Percentage of small Iraqi towns that had fully functioning municipalities only four months after the beginning of the war ("The Real Iraq," The New York Post, July 17, 2003)

81 Iraqi women serve on neighborhood and district councils around Baghdad ("U.S. Commitment to Women in Iraq," Office of International Women's Issues, May 24, 2004)

6 Iraqi women appointed as Cabinet-level ministers in the newly-formed Iraqi Interim Government ("The Interim Iraqi Government," Coalition Provisional Authority, June 1, 2004)

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by floridian on Jul 1st, 2004, 1:44pm
No doubt our troops have superior training and equipment, and on a normal battlefield engagement kick ass in a serious way.  But the troops are in a nation-building program where most of the fighting will not be conventional.  And the statistics cited directly above were cherry picked to mislead.

Today's Conservative and Moderate Voices against the Iraq fiasco (7-1-04):

Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican Senator from Nebraska
The war against Iraq has hurt us in the war against terror. "We are seeing huge cracks developing in our force structure" and a draft may be needed.  
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/30/MNGTS7E5RK1.DTL

Pat Buchannan
The U.S. invasion of Iraq was a strategic victory for the enemy.  The Arab world has been radicalized and supports the Iraqi resistance in its drive to defeat and expel the Americans.
http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39199

General Accounting Office
Iraq is worse off than before the war.  The electric system is worse off.  The courts are worse off.  The new Iraqi security forces are poorly trained and can't be relied on.  etc. etc.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04902r.pdf
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9041465.htm

Many American contractors are dropping or scaling back on on their contracts.  Foreigners are increasingly limited to the Airport and the 4 square mile green zone.  Secularism is being replaced with fundamentalism, and girls are less likely to attend all those renovated schools with new Saddam free text books.

But other than that, things look very bright.



Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 1st, 2004, 2:10pm
Well, thank you for shitting on the good news, Floridian. The statistics I posted were from a site that is run by Iraqis from this site, here: http://www.untoldiraq.org/#

And here is a letter from Iraqis to the American people:
http://www.untoldiraq.org/news/iraq_ad_600.jpg

The majority of the comments and links that you posted were links to things stated by American senators and American newspapers. I think Iraqi citizens have vastly more credibility.

Whatever... You are welcome to your pessimistic views. The media can kick dirt over the positive things that are taking place for only so long. The facts are glaringly different.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by floridian on Jul 1st, 2004, 2:54pm

Quote:
The majority of the comments and links that you posted were links to things stated by American senators and American newspapers.


Well, the source you cited most frequently was the Coallition Provisional Authority, which is in fact the White House appointed agency that was in charge of the occupation.  


Quote:
I think Iraqi citizens have vastly more credibility.

Really?  Which Iraqi citizens??  The Shiites that like Al Sadr??  The former Ba'athists??   The ones that were hand picked by the US CPA??  

The www.untoldiraq.org organization is not a grass-roots group of Iraqis - it was created by a neocon think-tank in that is pro Israel (unlike real Iraqis).  It is tied in with the groups that got us into the war in the first place.  The www.untoldiraq.org website 'contact person' is Bill McCarthy.  His phone number (202-207-0183) is at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD).  


Quote:
Republican Party insiders dominate FDD's board and staff. FDD's three board members are Steve Forbes, Jack Kemp, and Jeane Kirkpatrick. Its two “distinguished advisers” are Newt Gingrich and James Woolsey, while other advisers include Gary Bauer, Richard Perle, William Kristol, Walid Phares, Charles Krauthammer, and Frank Gaffney—all prominent neoconservative figures with multiple links to the Defense Policy Board, Center for Security Policy, American Enterprise Institute, Weekly Standard, and Project for the New American Century.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/fdd.php



Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 1st, 2004, 3:08pm
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

Thanks again for attempting to discredit me and the statistical facts. Exactly why you are doing this, I have no idea.  [smiley=huh.gif] At any rate, you can also check the blog linked above. It's written by three Iraqi brothers who have no ties or links to the West.

Here is another: http://www.iraq-iraqis.blogspot.com/

For whatever reason, you seem to have taken a personal affront to anything good taking place in Iraq or being reported by anyone, even from a wide variety of sources. Whatever. I'm not here to change your mind or convince you of anything. I found these facts and found them compelling and encouraging, and presented them just as I found them, with no particular political spin.

You may continue pissing your negativity onto the rest of this thread all you like, but I won't be reading it. Good day to you, sir.

-Frank

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 1st, 2004, 3:10pm
http://www.untoldiraq.org/news/iraq_ad_600.jpg

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by floridian on Jul 1st, 2004, 3:28pm
Negativity?  Maybe.  Or realism in the face of a negative situation.  I'm not saying that some things haven't improved.   But it isn't all sunshine and roses.  I want to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly - not just the good.  And I don't think that overall things are improving there.  I will check out the blogs you mentioned.

Facts are facts, except when different people have facts that disagree.  And even if we agreed on the facts, interpreting them and coming to a conclusion can be done in different ways.  

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Gator on Jul 1st, 2004, 5:33pm

on 07/01/04 at 15:08:31, Jeepgun wrote:
...Thanks again for attempting to discredit me and the statistical facts. Exactly why you are doing this, I have no idea.

He is doing just what the left in this country have shown to be their modus operandi.  They cannot admit that anything currently happening is good.  This would be admitting that the Bush administration has done something positive.  They have no strategy to deal with the current state of things. Instead, they use the all too willing media to distract the attention of the public with their loud crying and hand wringing over all the terrible things they want the public to believe is happening.  This is why you see some terrible news reported on TV and then Samauri comes into chat and tells us how great things are going for him.


For whatever reason, you seem to have taken a personal affront to anything good taking place in Iraq or being reported by anyone, even from a wide variety of sources.

See Above

I found these facts and found them compelling and encouraging, and presented them just as I found them, with no particular political spin.

No proponent from the left can have you or Thomas or anyone else posting anything positive about the man listed as their arch enemy.  This is just made more evident by the attack on Thomas and his friend and by Charlie saying most of what I posted in a different thread was lies.

I must give this to floridian, he is the only lefty I can think of, off the top of my head, who actually tries to back up his opinions with something other than more of his opinions.



Quote:
Posted by: Jimmy_B Posted on: 06/30/04 at 21:57:04
Here was a great story involving the zero coalition casualty rate in a 4 hour firefight...that the author turned into a Republican commercial.

I'm sick to my stomach...not that our Special Forces had this victory but that someone would make it nothing more then a Republican sound bite.  

Jimmy  


What is a shame is that he is being slammed for writing his opinion to a like thinking friend of his.  Nevermind that that his opinion is accurate.  Everytime something good happens in Iraq, it is either overlooked or down played by the libs/dems in this country.  There comes a point where you gotta get excited that you scored one for for your country AND your political party.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Sean_C on Jul 1st, 2004, 7:28pm
Jeep that was awesome work dude, it makes the difference when you put time and effort into something before you post. Gator has always been the best at that............he throws the facts right out there for everyone to see, I love it.

Sean..................

That really was a great post, it makes you think ;;D

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by jonny on Jul 1st, 2004, 7:51pm
Lets all agree that this is what started it, whatever it is now ......This is what started it, We didnt start it.....Agree?

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/files/wtcjumper8.JPG

......................................jonny

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by stevegeebe on Jul 1st, 2004, 7:55pm
I'm on side the side of The United States of America which happens to be the greatest nation in the history of man.    

That's all I know.

Steve G

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Sean_C on Jul 1st, 2004, 7:56pm
Absafuckenlutely dude.................they started it, America will finish it.

Ever did anything and said "Fuck I shouldn't have done that, I fucked myself now" .......I wonder if 8) naaaaaaaaaaa  ;;Dhttp://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.saddam/custom.saddam.capture.ap.jpg

Sean..............http://www.rudefun.com/pictures/politics/34.jpg

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by jonny on Jul 1st, 2004, 8:09pm
When our media does not report a four hour fire fight that kills 80 of those bastards its a damn shame.....BTW....the 80 were takin out by 10 of our guys.......LOL ;;D

.................................jonny

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by alleyoop49 on Jul 1st, 2004, 8:13pm
[quote author=Sean_C link=board=general;num=1088635668;start=25#27 date=07/01/04 at 19:56:50]Absafuckenlutely dude.................they started it, America will finish it.

Ever did anything and said "Fuck I shouldn't have done that, I fucked myself now" .......I wonder if 8) naaaaaaaaaaa  ;;Dhttp://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.saddam/custom.saddam.capture.ap.jpg

Sean......

naaaaaaaaaaa is right! In court today, Sadam was saying that he is still the ruler of Iraq and actually laughed at the judge!

By the way Jimmy, I apologize for misquoting you.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Sean_C on Jul 1st, 2004, 8:28pm
wise man says.....never laugh at the Judge before sentencing  :-X

Sean...............

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by floridian on Jul 1st, 2004, 8:52pm

on 07/01/04 at 19:51:07, jonny wrote:
Lets all agree that this is what started it, whatever it is now ......This is what started it, We didnt start it.....Agree?
......................................jonny


I agree. That (the 9-11 bombings) started the the war against Afghanistan.  A war that was fully justified. And if you are really serious about pursuing countries with links to Al Qaeda, the second and third countries to invade would have been Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.  The relationship between Pakistan and Al Qaeda was undeniable.  But they have atomic weapons and promised to cooperate in the war on terror, so we made them an ally instead.  

Under the Carter administration, the US sent around $10 million a year to the Mujahedin in Afghanistan.  Reagan upped that to $500 million, and convinced the Saudis to chip in another $500 million to bring the total to a nice even $1 Billion dollars per year.   Of course, the Saudis eventually realized that Osama was out to crush their throne, so they cut him off at many levels (though many individual Saudis still support Osama with oil money).  Late last year, they adopted a zero tolerance policy against Al Qaeda - after Al Qaeda started killing people in Saudi Arabia.

Could have nailed bin Laden in Afghanistan.  But we sent in Afghani troops to fight the most important battle and he slipped away.  Then the neoconservatives convinced the president we 'needed' to fight Saddam, so troops and translators were pulled away from Afghanistan for the second war.  


Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by jonny on Jul 1st, 2004, 9:00pm

on 07/01/04 at 20:52:34, floridian wrote:
Under the Carter administration, the US sent around $10 million a year to the Mujahedin in Afghanistan.  Reagan upped that to $500 million, and convinced the Saudis to chip in another $500 million to bring the total to a nice even $1 Billion dollars per year.   Of course, the Saudis eventually realized that Osama was out to crush their throne, so they cut him off at many levels (though many individual Saudis still support Osama with oil money).  Late last year, they adopted a zero tolerance policy against Al Qaeda - after Al Qaeda started killing people in Saudi Arabia.


Blah Blah Blah Blah.........Great update......LMMFAO

......................................jonny

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by floridian on Jul 1st, 2004, 9:37pm

Quote:
Blah Blah Blah Blah.........Great update......LMMFAO

......................................jonny


Laughing your ass off that we didn't go after two countries that helped Al Qaeda while we did spill blood and waste billions on a country that didn't?  

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by jonny on Jul 1st, 2004, 9:40pm

on 07/01/04 at 21:37:19, floridian wrote:
Laughing your ass off that we didn't go after two countries that helped Al Qaeda while we did spill blood and waste billions on a country that didn't?  


One at a time....We aint superman are we?

I say we let you run the damn country...hows that?

............................................................jonny

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Sean_C on Jul 1st, 2004, 9:49pm
We are sending the message though............
http://www.rudefun.com/pictures/politics/41.jpg

Sean..................... ;;D

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by floridian on Jul 1st, 2004, 10:02pm

Quote:
I say we let you run the damn country...hows that?

............................................................jonny


I don't know, Jonny.  They don't even want me to lead the cheering for our current policy ... much less lead the country.  Anyway, my job is to make people think.  

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 1st, 2004, 10:06pm
Thank you, Sean and Gator.

Floridian, your job is to make people think? Hrmmm... And someone pays you to do this? Someone gave you this title? Was the application process difficult? A sufficent level of self-righteous pomposity must be prerequisites for such a job, right?  ::) Whoever gave you that job and is depending on you to do it is getting ripped off, dude.  [smiley=laugh.gif]

By the way, thinking IS pretty neat. You should try it some time. No, really: I mean it. It won't hurt too badly, I promise.  ;;D

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Charlie on Jul 2nd, 2004, 2:53am
Too easy to dump on someone for having another opinion. It is the popular one though.  At least you haven't called us evil unpatriotic traitors.

I'm tickled pink that Saddam is in the dock. It wouldn't bother me if he were under the dock.  There is one thing that I read from Pat Buchanan the other day:
He said that by getting Saddam out of the picture, we may have gotten rid of the only secular dictator that the terrorists hated more than us. He got in their way.

Glad he's gone and I'm hopinig things will work out so we can withdraw a few men and women. Sadly, it ain't gonna be easy. Damn.

Some woman on MSNBC noted  that Saddam has such nice black hair. Not a gray streak to be seen. Someone has been working on the prick.  What a job.

Maybe he just goes through a lot of Sharpies  8)

Charlie

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 2nd, 2004, 8:05am
Charlie, you don't know much about me, then. While I may not agree with Floridian's opinions, I would fight for his right to express them. That's what makes our country great. And although some of my views tend to be rather conservative, I claim no particular political affiliation. I look at the facts, think for myself, examine my conscience, and express my own opinions. Why would you ever think I would call you unpatriotic or a traitor?  [smiley=huh.gif]

There's a long, difficult road ahead of us in Iraq, and for the Iraqis, too! No one's doubting that. To think otherwise would be to be out of touch with reality. What I personally wanted to do here, was take the focus off the constant flood of only bad news that our media feeds us in this country, and show that good things are indeed, happening in Iraq. Our efforts haven't been wasted, and Iraqis and Americans have not died in vain. There IS good progress being made, and shame on our media for not presenting these facts to the public as well.

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  NOT!
Post by Jimmy_B on Jul 2nd, 2004, 8:22am

on 07/01/04 at 20:13:22, alleyoop49 wrote:
By the way Jimmy, I apologize for misquoting you.


No prob...we're all in this together.

Peace

Jimmy

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by floridian on Jul 2nd, 2004, 9:06am

on 07/01/04 at 22:06:45, Jeepgun wrote:
Floridian, your job is to make people think? Hrmmm... And someone pays you to do this? Someone gave you this title? Was the application process difficult? A sufficent level of self-righteous pomposity must be prerequisites for such a job, right?  ::) Whoever gave you that job and is depending on you to do it is getting ripped off, dude.  [smiley=laugh.gif]

By the way, thinking IS pretty neat. You should try it some time. No, really: I mean it. It won't hurt too badly, I promise.  ;;D


Ok, if your gonna be mean to me, then I will take up Jonny's offer and run the damn country.   ;;D  


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What I personally wanted to do here, was take the focus off the constant flood of only bad news ...


... in other words, you wanted people to think in a certain way.  You post it, others read it, then we discuss?  OK.  

Instead of slamming the media for not covering this, you might want to think about the Pentagon policy on publishing enemy casualties.  For the first year of the war,  the Pentagon would NOT release such information, making it rather difficult for the media to report.  They started to quietly release estimates of Iraqi insurgent casualties 7 months ago, but they have not pushed it.  The fact that the original post was 'sanitized' suggests that the military didn't want the public to know of this event, if it even happened.  Can you verify that your post is anything more than a rumor or hoax being passed around on the internet?  Overall, the story is plausible, I'll admit, but its unproven. What about the part where the Green Berets are waiting for the Red Cross to pick up the bodies before they count it as a kill??  Thats an alarming thought (if true).


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Dec 2, 2003.  U.S. military officials, in their regular news briefings in Iraq, have quietly begun reporting insurgent "KIA," or killed in action, after months of declining to detail the other side's losses.

During the Vietnam War, inflated body counts eventually became emblematic of a Pentagon spin operation struggling to mask the bad news in Southeast Asia.

The Army had long resisted inclusion of such figures, in part fearing comparison to Vietnam War days, when enemy casualties always seemed to dwarf U.S. losses even as the war was going badly. Inflated body counts eventually became emblematic of a Pentagon spin operation struggling to mask the bad news in Southeast Asia.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1202-07.htm


Spin operations struggling to mask bad news?  And you want to "take the focus off the constant flow of only bad news."  Capische!

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 2nd, 2004, 9:47am
Mean? Me? Nawwww... But I do occasionally jab people. Thanks for being a sport about it.  :)

I can't say that I was trying to get people to think in a certain way, but damn, I'm fed up with only hearing about how many Iraqis and US soldiers have been killed by terrorists. Together, the Iraqis and the US military are accomplishing good things for Iraq, even though there are, and will continue to be, setbacks and tragedies. The media is so loathe to report anything positive, it's disgusting. There is no such thing as "fair and balanced" anymore, whether one is watching CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, or Al-Jezeera. It's demoralizing and depressing. So, whenever I find things that I think are good, credible, and worthy of note, I try to post them. As much as possible, I try to get my news from a variety of sources. (even sources that I disagree with.)

Cheers,
-Frank

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Gator on Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:26am
Frank, you're a good man.  You keep offering an olive branch and he keeps pounding you with it.  As I have said before, they just cannot do it.  They cannot report good.  You have explained that you fully understand that bad things are also happening over there.  You are requesting a little equal time in the reporting, but they hear you asking for only good news, as if you really believed everything was all sunshine, lollipops and roses.

Since their hearing is shot and their thinking is beyond reason, we just have to post whatever good news and positive results we find and say fuggem.  If they can only be happy in their misery, more power to them.

Thank you to Thomas for the original post.  Just some good news from a friend in Iraq.  Should have stayed that way, but the people who don't want good news to get out turned that simple post into yet another political debate.

Gator

Title: Re: We are gettin our butts kicked in Iraq.  
Post by Jeepgun on Jul 2nd, 2004, 12:30pm
It's okay. I think what we've accomplished and what we are continuing to do in Iraq will be vindicated in the long view of history.



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