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Title: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Little Deb on Jun 25th, 2004, 3:48pm Some fat to chew....I look forward to some opinions on this one........... Got this in an email today from a friend, who got it from a friend, who got it from....... Dear Senator Kerry: Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple, you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect. You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II; and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard and the navy. In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge. You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father won a Bronze Star for single handedly charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father's unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..." It was also a common problem for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units. You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early. My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East. Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos. As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability. I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win. Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander in Chief? Will you gladly send them to war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win? Our country is at war Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight. Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the answer is not just no, but Hell No! Sincerely, Michael Connelly February 14, 2004 Dallas, Texas Forward this to EVERYONE you know--we can NOT afford to have this man as the President of the United States!! Little Deb........who likes to vote, but wants to vote for the right person, if there is one :-/ |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Leesa on Jun 25th, 2004, 3:55pm Deb, Im with you I want to vote but for the RIGHT person!!!! Leesa :-/ |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jun 25th, 2004, 3:58pm DING! DING!.....The gloves are off, Let the games begin!!!! LMMFAO........jonny ;;D |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Leesa on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:02pm LMMFAO Jonny GMTA!!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Jeepgun on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:05pm Okay... I'm going to do my best to stay out of this one. I'm going to simply don my asbestos suit, maybe pop some popcorn, and watch as the Dems, liberals, and Socialists start frothing at the mouth. ;) My only comment: Kerry is scary. That is all. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Bob P on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:19pm Our local paper today said that our Governator wants to shorten the holding period for stray animals from 6 days to 3 days before we off them. Sounds to me like that may work for welfare also. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by BobG on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:27pm Sounds to me like it was written by a whinny bastard that wants to brag about his family. (if he has a family, which I doubt) Why doesn't he send a message to W and ask "During the Vietnam war where the Hell were you?" And since this is going to turn into a political string I want to ask something. When Clinton was President one of the parties (I won't say which one) wanted to impeach him big time for being unfaithful to is wife, a personal thing between husband and wife. Now Bush is President and he is getting American soldiers killed in a war that was started because of made up evidence of WMD's and Americans are getting their rights violated more and more every day but the un-named party mentioned above is silent on impeachment. Hmmmm... |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by floridian on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:34pm Quote:
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:38pm Oh yeah!.....Take this *Sticking tongue out* :P......LMMFAO ;;D ...........................jonny |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Luke63 on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:43pm Intriguing(is that spelled right?) letter Deb...but I try to stay out of these things....or this thread could turn out to be 8 million pages long...I recall other threads going on a long time over kind of related topics. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Rock_Lobster on Jun 25th, 2004, 4:52pm 250 million people in the USA. Dubya or Kerry will be our next President. [smiley=mad.gif] Our country is dog-fucked. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Jeepgun on Jun 25th, 2004, 5:05pm Will we at least get a post-coital cigarette and some snoogles afterward? ;;D |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 25th, 2004, 5:20pm Standard neocon chain letter from youngsters who have no idea what the Republican Party used to be. When you can't win on the message, you have to attack the character. A disgusting example: They defeated Senator Max Cleland of South Carolina by showing a composite in ads of him next to Saddam Hussein because he didn't support some military funding. Cleland left a couple of legs and I believe an arm in Vietnam. I can't support what the party has become. I voted for Ronald Reagan once but by this kind of thing and pretty much kicking out progressive candidates, they lost me forever. The reason they hated Clinton wasn't so much Monica as it was that he knew how to deal with it and win. He drove them nuts. Used to be a great party. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Bob P on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:28pm Quote:
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by fubar on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:32pm Used to be is right. Problem is, until now, I was able to vote Republican and feel OK about it since I felt the balance of pro/con was better for me than when measured against the Democrats. I guess what that means is, all other things being equal and forgetting about the actual candidate, I usually voted Republican because I favored the party platform. NOW, the Republicans seem completely mad, and I just can't vote Democrat. It looks like my only way to cast a vote for president is to waste it on some non-contender which ends up helping Bush this time anyway. To me, it's not even about Bush. It's about what party controls the executive branch. And the Republicans are just plain scary anymore. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by fubar on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:40pm on 06/25/04 at 18:28:57, Bob P wrote:
C'mon. He was only Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the most powerful country in the world. You would actually consider an error in judgement to be something worth being worried about? This, a man who considered himself to be above the most basic laws of our judicial system? A former attorney? The same man who would be appointing justices to our Supreme court? It's not like he needs to have strong concepts in ethics to be responsible for picking our Supreme Court Justices! Don't be ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:47pm I know you are but what am I :P .................jonny *Throws a rock at your head* ;;D |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Rock_Lobster on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:54pm on 06/25/04 at 18:47:08, jonny wrote:
Oh yeah?! http://america-russia-news.com/news%2020/kim-bush-satire.jpg |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:01pm on 06/25/04 at 18:54:15, Rock_Lobster wrote:
Damn!!!!, you dont look well in that pic, Rock....See a Doc quick like!! ................................jonny |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:05pm This was funny...........last week Ronald Reagan Jr. Stated that he felt that President Bush used the wrong approach with Iraq and should have left the UN do its job. Georges reply to that was "what does an expresidents son know about Iraq anyway >:(" I know there are gonna be people who go "I don't get it " LMAO Love to all Sean |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Lizzie2 on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:09pm Hmmmm typically I'm a democrat, but I wasn't registered to vote in time for the last presidential election. Frankly, the only election I voted in was to get Ed Rendell elected governor of PA. Guess I'm one of them dumb younguns who hasn't gotten the sense to take voting seriously. I'm trying, but I usually don't live anywhere near my voting district and I never get the absentee ballot done in time! All that aside, I really don't like Kerry or Bush. So, should I bother getting the absentee ballot this time around? I know I know...it's my duty as an American. But I don't want to be responsible for whatever nut runs this country next!!! Lizzie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Rock_Lobster on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:14pm on 06/25/04 at 19:01:51, jonny wrote:
I was hungover there, thus the sunglasses and mussed doo. Same morning, after I groomed myself... http://www.asiamuscle.info/kim_jongnak.jpg |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:29pm on 06/25/04 at 19:14:24, Rock_Lobster wrote:
Then why did you send me this pic and say it was you?....Make up your mind......Uhhhh.... thing ;;D http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d804b3127cceb0a8250436de0000001610 .............................jonny |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:30pm Quote:
And the so-called Republicans spent nearly $40,000,000 of your payroll in a moronic show trial that everybody knew was a waste of time. But it's nice that the GOP Puritans got to show so us their purity of essense. Quote:
You're killing me here. Not that any GOP Presidents have done anything that might be above the law! Give us a break. Getting a trim in the west wing pales to insignificance compared to the pure as the driven snow elected (and not elected) Republican Constitution shredders that have disgraced the Oval Office. The current one has done a bang-up job of it too....if not "better." It should terrify anyone. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:32pm The other side shows the balls ;;D My dick couldn't penetrate that [smiley=laugh.gif] Sean................. My daughter was wondering if she had a kid yet.....she's 6[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 25th, 2004, 8:00pm Quote:
Hence we have a President that lost the popular vote by 500,000 votes because of our Electoral College system. Perhaps only a few hundred votes in Florida or a few thousand elsewhere would have prevented the mess we are in now. Quote:
You can always vote for the one who will do the least harm. No contest. It would be nice to keep what's left of the Bill of Rights. Incidentally, it was the vote by right wing appointees of two Republican Presidents that gave the election to a President that thinks so little of our judicial system to appoint a dangerous man like John Ashcroft to head it. These judges aren't far enough on the right though for Pat Roberston who publicly called for God to hasten the resignations of the ones not approved by him. He talks about ending the horror of "activist judges." Really? He wants nothing but activist judges so long as they are his activist judges. I'd have felt fine with a few more Clinton appointees but he didn't ask God to "call them home," like Roberston and his ilk. Loving this, Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 25th, 2004, 8:04pm Bob not nothin for nothin but she wasn't jailbait bud, nor virgin ;;D I liked Bill, he seemed human in some way, I think Hilary used to like to secretly watch.........let it slide baby ;;D Sean....... I say..................... http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce02b3127cce80ca3d9e5af80000001610 |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jun 25th, 2004, 8:24pm Charlie Who are you quoting? I dont see any names attached to the quotes. Help a brother out. .......................................jonny |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 25th, 2004, 8:25pm Typical Clinton... Bless him :D The guy in the shorts looking away....presumably at some other chick....looks like Bill ::) Good one Sean 8) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Lizzie2 on Jun 25th, 2004, 8:26pm Jonny, He's quoting my post :) L2 |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 25th, 2004, 8:27pm LMAO he does too Charlie ;;D Sean |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Rock_Lobster on Jun 25th, 2004, 9:29pm on 06/25/04 at 19:29:52, jonny wrote:
Bwwaaaa! LMMFAO! Bwwaaa! Man. Induce vomiting! That said, me an my posse gonna bust a cap in yo azz, biotch!! http://www.regulators.org/archives/DPRoK.jpg |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 25th, 2004, 10:44pm Quote:
I don't know how to do that. I was hoping it was something that just I didn't see. Is it possible that everybody writes "xxx wrote?" No way. How do I get that to appear in my quotes? You guys are killin me too. 8) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jun 25th, 2004, 11:01pm Kerry, can't stick with one thing, has to try and be everyone to everybody. He doesn't have an SUV, his family owns several but they aren't his. He voted for the appropriations bill before he voted against it, He threw medals that were his, he threw ribbons that were not........yadda yadda. The only people I hear griping about our Electoral College, which by the way has served us for many many years, and is written into the constitution, is Dems. Why can't they just admit defeat, an incumbant vice president should have one hands down. Then they should regroup and try to win the next one fair and square. But for 3 1/2 years all I hear is how stupid Bush is and how he is an illegitimate leader because he "didn't really win." Every Republican candidate for as long as I can remember has been called stupid, or in experienced, or ignorant. Meanwhile, Reagan inherited a terrible economy with the jobless rate in the double digits, and Bush inherited a recession that began in 1998. And look, our economy is growing again. Why? Because of Tax cuts. Do I think some things should have been handled different in Iraq. Certainly, but that is the pentagon's fault. Bush can only order what they tell him, he isn't on the ground and is not the strategist. I know one thing. Without kicking Iraq's butt, 4 years from now, we would be in a far worse state of affairs. Long live Islam till Islam reigns the entire earth again, they say. I would rather fight them over in Iraq and Afghanistan then fight them on our shores. And if we had waited, we would be sniping them from the Washington Monument as they storm the Capital. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 25th, 2004, 11:06pm on 06/25/04 at 23:01:59, RevDeFord wrote:
You took the words right out my mouth....nice post Rev Sean |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 26th, 2004, 12:07am Quote:
Just because you have a hammer, not everything is a nail. You need to approach problems like Iraq and other pain in the ass things multi-dimensionally and at least present other possibilities. In some cases the hammer may be the only choice but you still need to look beyond the initial response and be open to suggestions if they make sense. We are living in a multidimensional world, not a cartoon. Every party bitches about the Electoral College when they are on the short end of a squeaker. Happened in 1960 with the GOP. Like Gore, Nixon gave in and let things ride. This one was closer to the election of 1800. This idea that one party is evil, unpatriotic, stupid, nasty, and without values, shows a fear that their own message is weak. The GOP does more of it even though they are the ins. Quote:
Bullshit. A lot of Republicans aren't so crazy about the tax cuts. It's one of the reasons Kerry has a chance. Bush took a downturn, probably substantially fueled by the end of the dot com boom, and drove our considerable surplus to a deficit into the trillions. He unfunds or under funds every social program he promised. He is a liar of the first order. Quote:
He's the President. I guess only Clinton had enough power to be blamed for everything that fizzles. Gotta hand it to this administration. They are good at this kind of deception. Do you know who basically agrees with at least the general aim of the Iraq war? "Wimpy" Bill Clinton. Sorry. I can't back a man who appoints a horror like John Ashcroft who spent something like $8,000 of our money to hang a shower curtain around a Justice Department statue that OMG; had a dick! Hard to imagine something so childish. It would be hard to find someone worse than Bush II. Bush I was kinda likeable. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by fubar on Jun 26th, 2004, 1:16am Charlie, I think Ashcroft is the main reason I won't be voting Republican again, but it's not a reason to vote Dem. -Fu |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by purpleydog on Jun 26th, 2004, 2:06am on 06/25/04 at 18:28:57, Bob P wrote:
Who gives a shit who Clinton was fucking? How many other presidents were screwing around and having affairs? I bet most of them were getting a little on the side. This doesn't have anything to do with being president. Clinton got elected for two terms. I thought he was a much better president than Bush 1 and 2. The states need to get rid of all these old farts who represent them and get some new blood in there (goodbye Strom Thurmond). W is an idiot. I don't think he could say a simple sentence on his own. And of course, Laura Bush is the perfect wife...from the 1950's. Doesn't get involved, doesn't have a mind of her own, doesn't say what she thinks, stays away from controversy. At least Hilary had a brain, and could think for herself, and went out and tried to help people. And because of that and because she and Bill tried to change things (healthcare) without telling anyone (everyone), that's why they got so much shit poured on them while Bill was in office. Who's going to vote for Hilary when she runs for president? When she runs against Elizabeth Dole? purpleydog |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by buckeyescooter on Jun 26th, 2004, 3:23am John Ashcroft lost his senate seat to a dead guy. Let me repeat that....John Ashcroft ran against one other person for the Senate seat in Missouri. The guys name was Mel Carnahan. Mel was dead. Died tragically in a plane crash. Dead Mel beat John Ashcroft. Now he's our Attorney General. George W. says he takes his orders from God. If you see a guy with a five day old beard standing on the corner telling everyone how he talks to, and takes orders from God, you quietly hush the children, tell them to look away, and move along quickly. You take that same person, make him from a wealthy family, put a suit on him, send him to Yale, and what do you get? The President of the United States of America. Forgive me....I just saw Fahrenheit 9/11 this evening. Left wing propaganda? You bet. Loved every second of it. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by BobG on Jun 26th, 2004, 5:30am on 06/25/04 at 23:01:59, RevDeFord wrote:
If anyone wants to know who to vote for just ask me. I have been voting since I was 21 years old, that's 36 years ago, and I have a 100% perfect record. I have voted for the loser EVERY time. This time I'm voting for Bush. 8) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Rock_Lobster on Jun 26th, 2004, 8:05am Tax cuts? Where?!?! Bwaaaa! My azz. Three words... A M T Wrokk... not yet wize enough to use the 1001 loopholez aka Wrokk... hmmm... which jackass to vote for aka Wrokk... AMT makes it easy to fill out your taxes >:( aka Wrokk... AMT... time to move to fucking Bermuda |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Little Deb on Jun 26th, 2004, 8:18am I would like to see Arnold run....or even Maria! She could run, and Arnold could run the White House from the back seat. ............running for cover..........little deb |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jun 26th, 2004, 8:37am The whole premiss of Farenheit malarky is based on Bush smuggling BinLaden's family out of this country just after 911 on privately chartered planes. THe left wing's hero, Richard Clarke says point blank, and unequivacbly that HE is the one who ordered the evacuation of BinLaden's family and no decision or information to do so never went higher than him. So that shows you how idiotic this movie is. But people looking to despise Bush will believe anything they see. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by purpleydog on Jun 26th, 2004, 9:56am on 06/26/04 at 08:37:24, RevDeFord wrote:
Sorry Rev, I despise Bush. What I'm trying to decide is: Is Bush doing all the talking out of his ass? Or is someone else doing all the blowing? He is a weak president, can't think for himself. I'll bet daddy is holding the puppet strings. As far as believing anything I see, Rev, you must have missed my post on spin. It would be interesting if Maria Shriver was pres. and Ahhnold was first lady. [smiley=laugh.gif] And the tax cuts? Gee, they didn't TRICKLE DOWN to me!! I won't be paying off my mortgage early. purpleydog |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jun 26th, 2004, 10:50am Give me a break. My wife and I make less than $40,000 a year and I will pay $1400 less in Federal Taxes this year. Unfortunately, my state is taxing me more. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Ree on Jun 26th, 2004, 11:23am Im waiting for an imposter to post.........we know who that will be..........Mr~~ I am campaigning for Mr Kerry that sent me that horrendous email about how our kids are murdering and raping over there............ same person I considered a friend........... A very proud mother whose son is contributing to freedom.............. ree |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by floridian on Jun 26th, 2004, 12:44pm Quote:
Surprise. The tax 'cut' is a shell game. One reason this recession was so prolonged is that this is the first time in the last 50 years when a recession was not fought with large federal block grants to the states. Instead, federal responsibilities are being shifted to the states, with less money. Every dollar of the tax 'cut' corresponds to a dollar of increased debt - this is less a tax cut than a cash advance on our national credit card. I could put thousands of dollars in my pocket with a MasterCard, Visa, and home equity loan, but 99% of financial advisors tell me that's a bad idea. The deficit spending of the past 3 years will cost the average family tens of thousands of dollars spread out over the next 20 - 30 years. And the AMT sucks - I didn't get snagged this year, but came close due to special circumstances. That tax hasn't been indexed for inflation, and catches more people every year. It was meant to make sure millionaires didn't slip through the loopholes, but is now zapping lots of middle class people who would otherwise pay their fair share of taxes. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 26th, 2004, 3:51pm Dead on about the states having to pick up the burden. New York, which has always had pretty high taxes, isn't happy..BUT New Yorkers, by in large try to do the right thing even under an administration that reneged on its much of its promise to 9/11 victims while closing VA hospitals. Makes one proud that we give tax cuts to billionaire "patriots" who get their mail in the Caribbean to avoid paying taxes at all. The thing about taxes is that in the good old days of the 1950s, during the most prosperous time in our history, the tax rates on millionaire incomes was about 90%. We all bitched but things worked out rather well. No one needs that tax rate but at least we shared the burden and even when adjusted, real incomes for average blokes rose, not fell. Just the opposite today. There used to be Progressive Republicans, today the GOP is tickled pink being ruined by regressives. I'm not surprised the Rev doesn't like Michael Moore. They are 180 degrees apart. I haven't seen the movie and to be sure, he can exaggerate. Of course no one on the right would do that. One can always depend on Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson to play fair. You bet. The left needs somebody who is good at this. I haven't seen this thing but from what I hear, it's no fun for neocons. Must have a lot of truth behind it. Quote:
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I don't need to see a thing to despise Bush. Everything he does illustrates that he cares nothing for you and me. The religious right has been taken for a ride by these guys. Do you seriously think these guys care a whit about "Conservative" Christians other than their votes?.....not bloody likely. Quote:
Ree: I agree with you and I'm one liberal who has stated that our military is full of some of the best young people we have to offer. On the other hand Kerry's campaign literature pales before the kind of vitriol spewed out by Republicans. No contest. In my 57 years, this is the only President that almost literally turns my stomach. I can barely stand to watch him try to snicker at us while murdering the English language. What a disappointment. "Compassionate Conservative" my a s s. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by don on Jun 26th, 2004, 4:19pm I dont understand all the confusion. The choice is so clear to me. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d807b3127cceb152d08c0fe80000001610 |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by eyes_afire on Jun 26th, 2004, 11:21pm George Bush, John Kerry, Diane Templin, Michael Peroutka, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, Leonard Peltier, Charles Jay, Gene Amondson, Ralph Nader, Walt Brown, Bill Van Auken, Roger Calero, John Parker. What do they all have in common? They are their party's presumptive nominee to run for president in 2004. To be or not to be?.... there are many choices. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by don on Jun 26th, 2004, 11:26pm Quote:
Not as of today. See ya Ralphie boy! |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by eyes_afire on Jun 26th, 2004, 11:41pm Hmmm, well I know the Green Party nominated David Cobb, thus dealing a significant blow to Nader's campaign, but I thought he was still the presumptive nominee for the Reform Party. Did Nader officially drop out? --- Steve |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by floridian on Jun 27th, 2004, 9:30am on 06/26/04 at 23:21:33, eyes_afire wrote:
Well, the choices are a bit more limited than they appear. Leonard Peltier, for example, is still in Marion Federal Penitentiary. He's an American Indian activist who claims he was framed - could be speaking the truth, but I don't think he's going to get elected. !vote>>/dev/null (don't throw your vote away) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by eyes_afire on Jun 27th, 2004, 10:51am on 06/27/04 at 09:30:23, floridian wrote:
Don't worry, I won't. As long as I vote for someone other than Bush or Kerry, the vote won't be wasted. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 27th, 2004, 1:10pm Quote:
Oh really? Hah! You think that's bad, try Eugene Debs. He ran from prison in 1920. I kid you not. Old time Socialist who got caught in the Red Scare after WWI. Got a shitload of votes too. :o Here is his most famous button: I want one of these one of these babies for my collection. It's probably worth in the thousand dollar range. By far not the rarest button but a damn good one. God I love politics. Charlie [quote][/quote] |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by don on Jun 27th, 2004, 2:21pm Quote:
Didn't get endorsement. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 27th, 2004, 2:26pm Hey Charlie whats that thing at the bottom of your post [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] Still laughing LMAO Sean |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 27th, 2004, 6:02pm http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/aw shit sign.png Beats me. DUh Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jun 28th, 2004, 12:00pm on 06/25/04 at 16:27:54, BobG wrote:
Uh, what rock were you under, the charge was lying in front of a grand jury, it doesn't matter what it was about, when in front of the grand jury, he lied. That is the point. That is why Russ Feingold (D) gets my vote this year, because he is the only Democrat that voted to impeach. By the letter of the law, President Clinton was guilty of an impeachable offense. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jun 28th, 2004, 2:58pm Dealing strictly with the question fielded in the letter and ignoring the authenticity and alleged family military history of the writer. I'd say there is a valid question here. Kerry's credentials for being the commander in chief of our military are lacking at best. Kerry called his own countrymen war criminals and even admitted to engaging in war crimes himself. He should be in prison, not running for president. He served in country in Vietnam for a few months, then came home and vehemntly protested against the war while his brothers in arms were still fighting and dying in a foreign land. His actions directly affected the torture and treatment of American POW's. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/19/111136.shtml Kerry has fought to cover up any knowledge of American MIA/POW's still in Vietnam, telling POW/MIA investigators that if their findings that there were still Americans in Vietnam ever became public, they would "wish they were never born." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073931/posts http://www.aiipowmia.com/inter24/in020304schanbergvv.html He has a continuing track record of voting against funding for our military and intelligence organizations. He even has gone so far as to vote against supporting our troops DURING a time of war. He has admitted he would turn over control of our military to the UN. He has spoken against this country and it's leadership to the point of demoralizing our troops, endangering their mission and enboldening out enemy. In general, a lot of the reasons not to vote for Kerry are documented in links to news stories here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1098550/posts Oh, and for you Michael Moore fans: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/26/103545.shtml http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/27/120331.shtml http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jun 28th, 2004, 4:01pm Good stuff, Gator. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Jeepgun on Jun 28th, 2004, 4:13pm Another on Farenheit 9/11 and Michael Moore. Very interesting: http://www.rightnation.us/blog/austin/index.php |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 28th, 2004, 5:46pm For those of you that have the time please review the following:http://www.johnkerrysucks.com/homuke.html Thanks Gator Sean ;;D |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 28th, 2004, 8:15pm Egad, Zounds, Gee Whiz, I'm taken aback. What revelations. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/PASS OUT SURPRISE.gif Ultra neocon bloggers doing their worst and blocks of accumulated stories collected for effect. Nothing new or remotely accurate. A lot of it is nothing more than lies. (Of course the ultra right has never lied or made a mistake. Just ask that flawless wonderboy and raconteur: George Bush) You have to stand in awe though of such perfection. Since they never make mistakes, they blame the voters. They even blame their own if they dont bend far enough to the right. I left the party when it was taken over by the current batch of throwbacks that scream bloody murder if a party progressive raises his voice. Not to worry though, the evil John McCains are pretty much gone or on the way out. How proud they must me. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 28th, 2004, 8:30pm on 06/28/04 at 20:15:26, Charlie wrote:
LOL I think it'll take more than that for you Charlie ;;D Sean Best we can all do for each other is vote our conscience, and hope that party does the best it can do for all parties.........................and the people :) Sean |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 28th, 2004, 8:40pm See kids? That's the way to do it. Thanks Sean. More people might get involved if it were so. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/Hat tip.gif |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jun 28th, 2004, 11:58pm personally, I don't like everything bush has done. His immigration policy stinks. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 29th, 2004, 6:37am The new Mexican immigrant status thing? Lots of people aren't crazy about it. I'm not sure where that comes from. If it's a vote-getting idea, I have my doubts. Backlash, you know. I'm not qualified to say much about this. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jun 29th, 2004, 5:00pm Posted by: Charlie on: 06/28/04 at 19:15:26 Charlie Posted on: 06/28/04 at 19:15:26 Quote:
What revelations? Does this mean you already know this info to be true or is it more unsubstantiated sarcasm? I see you have read and are following the liberal playbook. Instead of backing up your opinions with anything but more opinion, you make sarcastic remarks and call people names. How convenient - everyone that expresses an opinion contrary to yours is a liar. I have provided info to back up the statements I made (which is something you have yet to do), but according to you it is "mostly lies," anyways. As many have said (and as you have ignored) over and over, Bush is far from perfect. He spends money like a liberal on social programs. His immigration policy stinks. His allowing his religious beliefs to control his decisions on stem cell research and gay marriage are just wrong. On the other hand, his tax cuts have reversed a recession. Every leading economic indicator is showing nothing but growth. His commitment to the safety of the American people cannot be denied. He launched the war on terrorism which has to date successfully halted follow up attacks in this country. He took out the Taliban in Afghanistan and that country is preparing for their first free elections. He took out Saddam Hussein and the Baathists in Iraq. The Provisional Authority has been disolved and power has been turned back over to the Iraqi people. Links between Iraq and Al Qaeda have been found. So far, a land mine and 10 - 12 warheads filled with Serrin and Mustard gas (which have the potential to kill approximately 600,000 people) have been discovered. (so much for the no WMD's in Iraq) Iraq was pursuing nuclear capabilties as has been substantiated by his own scientists, by documentation found in Iraq and by intelligence from America, Great Britain, the UN and documents from the Soviet Union. Do something no other anti-Bush proponent, on this message board or anywhere else for that matter, has done and tell us all the magnificent reasons to vote for your candidate. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 29th, 2004, 8:50pm Quote:
Pulease! The shit spewed by the right wing rantings of the Rush Limbaughs of the radio infamy make exaggerations on my side pale to insignificance. Its theater, not reality. All the right does is portray anyone on the left a liar. They rarely support their own progressives. Quote:
Can't find a harder to defend statement than that. Very shaky at best. The GOP and their tax cuts. I remember that many in business said it was unnecessary. I won't let you get away with telling me they are the reason we have a bump in the economy. There is something you really can't prove. Quote:
Would be nice. I hope so. We do have 138.000 troops, 20,000 more supposedly on they way and the Pentagon has plans to have four military bases in a country twice the size of Idaho. I do hope things work out though and the bases may be the only way for it to work. I do note that the British in the 20s, who lost thousands of men to torture and starvation in Iraq and kept a military base and later a strong presence there until 1955. I hope we have better luck. I really do. Quote:
This isn't particularly new and if it were more substantiated, it would be in the news daily and the White House would scream about it every damn day too. It isn't and they don't. (Don't do the "liberal" news 3-5 card Limbaugh rant. FOX doesn't do it either, and neither does Murdock's Washington Times or his New York Post) Quote:
Easy: John Kerry voted for the war and military increases. I suspect I would have done the same with the information available but he knows how to admit a mistake and change his mind. A good thing. Bush always blames someone else. You want positive on Kerry? I'll vote for him because I want universal health care or at least something that paves the way. The drug card from this Congress paves the way for HMOs and drug companies. Kerry will at least try. I trust Kerry with the judicial, health, education, and even the military. Bush has a poor aim. Kerry wont waste our time and money on stupidity like gay marriage, blocking medical research, block drugs not on the far rights formulary. With them its all about abortion. Kerry will at least train his sights away from regressive ideas. He also knows how to listen. I like that his priorities are inclusive. Mostly: he will do better at staying out of my bedroom and just plain letting me alone. It used to be that Republicans were just mean old men who looked after my money. That wasn't so bad but now, they think I need a nanny. I don't All I really need though is to do my part to unseat anybody who would appoint a horror like John Ashcroft and who thinks the Patriot Act is good for us. I like Kerry more than Bush likes us. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jun 29th, 2004, 8:54pm tax cuts are the reason for the rebound. Ask any contractor or small business owner who got their business right off for capital expenditures increased from $25,000 to $100,000. That was huge. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 29th, 2004, 9:05pm People who shop on line to save gas money and at Walmart need more proof. You don't bounce and economy for any length of time by driving deficts into the trillions. We can get away with it for awhile but not forever. I just don't believe it has much effect. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by forgetfulnot on Jun 29th, 2004, 9:07pm on 06/29/04 at 20:54:25, RevDeFord wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm I guess that explains the deficits. Give that to your kids for X-mas. ;) Lee |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jun 29th, 2004, 9:07pm on 06/29/04 at 17:00:16, Gator wrote:
Gator I really do enjoy your posts my brother ;;D Stem Cell research is something that, as you know I wish more than anything. However I'm sure it does not effect him personally so that will not change. BUT..........I won't let Sean I don't think he's (Bush) perfect but who the fuck is................I know jonny is gonna say something here ;;D |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Rock_Lobster on Jun 29th, 2004, 10:16pm Look at the bright side of it... only one of those two knuckleheads is going to win. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by alleyoop49 on Jun 29th, 2004, 11:01pm From The Smoking Gun: One Man, Two Registrations Michael Moore simultaneously on voter rolls in New York, Michigan JUNE 28--Prior to last week's Washington, D.C. premiere of "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore denied that the new documentary represents his de facto endorsement of John Kerry. "I am an Independent," the filmmaker told reporters. "I'm not a member of the Democratic party." Which is not exactly correct. New York City Board of Elections records show that Moore, 50, registered to vote in Gotham in 1992, checking off "Democratic" as his party affiliation (below you'll find a copy of his original registration form). He listed his address as the swanky Upper West Side building where he owns a multimillion dollar condominium (Moore's office is on West 57th Street). The filmmaker's New York registration remains active, though he has not voted since an October 2001 Democratic runoff election. Now here's the good part: Moore is simultaneously registered to vote in Michigan, where registrants aren't even given the option of party affiliation (so he's not an Independent there either). According to Antrim County records, Moore registered last April from his lakefront spread in northern Michigan, where he reportedly splits his time, but has yet to vote in Michigan. He transferred his drivers license to Michigan from New York around the same time, though Moore has a Volkswagen Beetle registered from his Manhattan home. We're sure this is some kind of innocent mix-up, that Moore forgot to cancel his New York registration before signing up in Michigan. Though, as a New York City voter, TSG can tell you it's hard not to realize you are registered, since a voter's mailbox is regularly bombarded with candidate mail, official voter guides, and Board of Election notices about upcoming elections and reminders about the location of your polling place. On his web site, Moore asks visitors to take his "Pledge of Democratic Allegiance," which calls for them to register ten new voters this summer and spend one October weekend in a swing state. "The important thing is, if you live in a place like New York or Texas, you gotta head over to Pennsylvania or New Mexico," writes Moore, who provides a list of 18 states, ranked in order of importance, that could go either blue or red. He places Michigan thirteenth on that list. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 30th, 2004, 2:33am Wow. I'm shocked and awed. What a scathing indictment. You have 800 nut cake radio broadcasters--we have Michael Moore who hates Bush. That an entertainer fudges his political affiliation, holy mackerel. Send him to the Tower. Oh...I see. It's only okay for neocons to rant and rave. No fair for us I guess. Only your radio hosts are allow to twist the truth into a pretzel. Fire away. Moore couldn't buy this kind of publicity for multi-millions of dollars. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by BobG on Jun 30th, 2004, 2:53am on 06/30/04 at 02:33:49, Charlie wrote:
That's just what Mikey said. The more bad words said about him and his movie the more people pay to see the show. $21+ million last weekend. And then he goes to Europe and rants and raves about how rotten Americans and America is. I have not seen the movie and have no intention of putting my money in that hypocrite's pocket. That ugly-fuck can drop dead as far as I'm concerned. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 30th, 2004, 7:44am Quote:
He ain't pretty. That's for sure. Nor dumb Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 9:42am on 06/29/04 at 21:07:09, forgetfulnot wrote:
No, that would be explained by overspending on an inflated government that consumes tax dollars (which are being taken illegally) like a fat man at a buffet. The government subsidises everything under the sun, except for the people, like myself who pay for their whims. There is a damn government agency for everything and they are over staffed with incompetant people who couldn't make it in the real world. Both sides of the aisle only care about how much they can milk the taxpayers for and still convince about 40% of those that vote, to vote for them. So you all need to WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!! There is NO ONE on the hill that gives a rat's ass what you think about Michael Mooreon or Rush Libaugh addict, or themselves, because they have you right where they want you, you HAVE to vote for somebody and there is a 50/50 chance it will be for them, so they really don't give a shit about you, all they worry about, is what kind of face they show the media. So as I sit here and watch you all defend these creeps and slime balls, one thought goes through my mind, "You guys are so worked up in touting the party line, it would be hilarious, if it weren't so fucking pathetic." Now go back to your local professional sports game, or reality show, so you wont have to trouble your mind with what is REALLY wrong with America. Enjoy your bread and circuses, you've all earned it. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Jimmy_B on Jun 30th, 2004, 11:32am Check this link...and take it with the comedy that it was presented as.... www.theonion.com/opinion/index.php?issue=4026 On a side not...I don't take everything Moore says as the fact. But choosing not to see the movie, just because you lean to the right...is closing your eyes to different opinions. Just because an opinion does not agree with what we presenlty believe, does not make it less enlightening. Check it out...and then judge. Jimmy |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by alleyoop49 on Jun 30th, 2004, 2:57pm You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon'. Chris Rock |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by mynm156 on Jun 30th, 2004, 3:51pm I'm Not happy with either canidate but lets compare shall we? HHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM I think so. GEORGE W. BUSH In these days of guys who never fought in Vietnam advocating a tricky engagement in Iraq, it is interesting to see what George W. Bush did in the military, how he misrepresented it, and what's been done recently to make sure no one notices. Mr. Bush, whose permission to fly was revoked by the military (he was suspended, assigned to a disciplinary unit and not allowed to fly military assignments again) liked to portray himself to voters as a fighter pilot. But his embellishments didnt stop there: Date: 08/19/88 Houston Chronicle article by R. G. Ratliffe Among the questionable claims in Mr. Bush's autobiography is that he tried to volunteer for service in Vietnam "to relieve active-duty pilots." He did not volunteer for service in Vietnam; in fact, he failed to report for duty in his Air National Guard Unit and skipped off to Alabama to work on a political campaign. In his book, Mr. Bush offers a lovely-sounding (but bald-faced) lie to describe his F-102 fighter pilot experience: "I continued flying with my unit for the next several years," he writes, but in fact he was suspended from flight duty in August 1972 and didn't fly at all for the last two years of his service. (He also didn't show up for duty.) Further along in his autobiography, Mr. Bush says his military service "gave me respect for the chain of command." Well, that is an odd way to describe ignoring two direct orders to appear for duty. He was then assigned to a disciplinary unit in Denver, and he didn't show up for that either. 1. A September 29, 1972 Air National Guard confirming orders suspending 1st Lt. George W. Bush from flying status are confirmed...Reason for Suspension: Failure to accomplish annual medical exam. 2. Bushs initial temporary transfer to Alabama was denied because An obligated Reservist can be assigned to a specific Ready Reserve position only. Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an Air Reserve Squadron". Nonetheless, Bush reapplied, was accepted by the commander of the mail unit in Alabama, and moved to Alabama where, instead of fulfilling his military duties, he worked on a Senate campaign. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc5.gif 3. According to a Boston Globe Story on May 23, 2000: In his final 18 months of military service in 1972 and 1973, Bush did not fly at all. And for much of that time, Bush was all but unaccounted for: For a full year, there is no record that he showed up for the periodic drills required of part-time guardsmen. Let us not for fprget how many of not only our military personel but our alies military personel have died over his BOLD FACED LIE about IRAQ!!! Thanks to all who have served defending all our freedoms!! MYNM156 |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 4:12pm Hmmmmmmmmm (thinking to myself) I wonder if da Bears is gonna beat dem dere Packers dis year?........ Wow who's that cute gal on American Idol, better watch that tonight................... Holy Cow look at that comercial, wow the air is gettin down right unbreathable in some places, somebody ought to do sumpin' bout dat. Wow, dem Republican guys is gonna not let my kids have health insurance, holy cow. I better vote for dat dere Kerry guy, but wait, he wants to let terrorists in here and he's a gonna raise my taxes, oh man my poor old brain can't take this, It's too hard to choose, I better watch the news and see which one of deese guys is da better choice....... hmmmmmmm maybe I'll just do like Martha and vote for the best lookin' one.......... Oh boy dat ain't gonna be an easy choice either. :-/ |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Bob P on Jun 30th, 2004, 4:53pm I went to see it last Sunday but it was sold out Had to settle for "Supersize Me" (although I think seeing Moore would turns me off to junk food even better than Supersize did). Being well practiced in taking someone's word's and twisting them around to make that person look like a complete idiot (some of you have been recipients of my talent), I wan'ted to see the movie to see the master in action. Figured it would be entertaining. Also figured that sitting there thinking how the neolibs would believe every word of the movie caused me some delight also. Can't wait to get in to see it. Hey, maybe the politicians and government are doing a good job and all you guys are fucked up. Hmmmm. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jun 30th, 2004, 5:02pm on 06/30/04 at 16:53:43, Bob P wrote:
LMMFAO!!!....;;D .........................................King ;;D |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 5:02pm on 06/30/04 at 16:53:43, Bob P wrote:
No they are not, my roads suck. Don't know about the complete idiot part, but you have definately taken something I've typed and totally misunderstood what I was trying to convey. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by firebrix on Jun 30th, 2004, 5:16pm Strictly for humour: ;) I'm with Billy Connolly: "Don't vote! It only encourages them." firebrix |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by alleyoop49 on Jun 30th, 2004, 5:43pm Think I'll throw my vote away and vote my conscience. ;;D LIBERTARIAN |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Bob P on Jun 30th, 2004, 5:47pm I just think that we should all just become rich white guys. Then we can sit back and laugh at the whining poor people and call them a bunch of lazy bastards and think that the government is doing a great job. We'd need somthing to complain about so we'd have to settle for our crappy golf games or how out stogies draw too hard. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 5:50pm on 06/30/04 at 17:43:04, alleyoop49 wrote:
At least you wont have to puke after voting. I get a real charge out of these folks that get excited over dems or reps, slimeballs all of em, Any one who aspires to be a politician shouldn't be allowed to be one, holding office should be like jury duty, every once in a while your number gets called. hmmmmmmmmm...... I think I just amazed myself with that one......... gotta go think for a minute........ |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jun 30th, 2004, 7:51pm We rant and rave but left and right progressives should be pretty happy. Historically, the country..and as a whole, most western nations...has always zig-zagged to the left. Things that were thought of as blasphemy, or too liberal to ever came to pass, have done so. Abolition, property rights, suffrage, 8-hour days, labor unions, social security, Repeal, judical reforms, Civil Rights Act, Medicare, environmentalism (Nixon signed the bill) women's rights, and gay rights. More to come with somes zigs when we should zag. On the whole, it's a pretty good place. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by mynm156 on Jun 30th, 2004, 7:56pm LETS PUT THEM IN A STEEL CAGE LAST MAN STANDING MATCH!!! HELL YEAH I'D PAY PER VIEW THAT!!!!!! MYNM156 PS Da Bears are gonna STOMP dem Packers BABY!!! Next month TRAINING CAMP then will really have some MEANINGFUL discussions. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jun 30th, 2004, 8:01pm on 06/30/04 at 19:56:22, mynm156 wrote:
You are so fucking stoned. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by floridian on Jun 30th, 2004, 10:13pm on 06/30/04 at 17:47:47, Bob P wrote:
Good idea. I'm gonna need some help on that one. ;) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Big Dan on Jun 30th, 2004, 10:21pm Dollars to doughnut holes (mmmmm... doughnut holes) this thread gets more posts than the Convention thread. -Big Krispy |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by mynm156 on Jul 1st, 2004, 5:51am on 06/30/04 at 20:01:45, thomas wrote:
Its the SHROOMS man I swear!!! hahahahaha I wish. I am a RAIDER fan baby. But U watch the Pack fucking self destruct again this year and let a team like the Bears beat them. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by BobG on Jul 1st, 2004, 5:55am on 06/30/04 at 22:21:00, Big Dan wrote:
Yep! This string is like picking a scab. Nasty and bloody and you wish it go away but ya just gotta keep pickin' at it. 8) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by BobG on Jul 1st, 2004, 8:09am Something funny I just heard on the news...... Yesterday Clinton was autographing his book at a Cosco in Seattle. Before anyone would buy his book they had to mark it down from $35 to $19.95.... WITH the signature. [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by alleyoop49 on Jul 1st, 2004, 9:48am On a Clinton note- Anyone heard the rumor about Hillary joining the poodle, uh Kerry as the VP candidate? Kerry/Hitlery vs Bush/Condie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Jeepgun on Jul 1st, 2004, 10:07am I hope she does. It will be the kiss of death for Scary Kerry. [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by alleyoop49 on Jul 1st, 2004, 9:47pm on 06/30/04 at 02:33:49, Charlie wrote:
I found it interesting what the liberal NYTimes had to say about Bush. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/30/opinion/30KRIS.html |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jul 1st, 2004, 11:47pm Charlie, you still don't get it, so never mind. You post cute smilies, sarcastically call names and write opinions, but you don't back up anything you say and call anyone who does a liar. Alleyoop, the voter registration thing is weak beyond belief. I can't believe anyone would have wasted the time it took to write that up. Moore registered as a Dem over 12 years ago. People do change over time and since his latest registration doesn't specify a party, he can be whatever he wants to be. Having moved around ALOT in my life, I am/was (whatever) registered to vote in Louisiana, Washington State and two towns in Oklahoma. I also have cars registered in my name at multiple addresses. I never wrote back to any state or town to cancel or change any registration. Likewise, I never went back to any previous residence and voted. It doesn't sound like Moore did either. Thomas, my friend. Please don't start name calling and ridiculing people like the leftists are doing. From what I've seen, you are above all that. For most of us who choose to vote for Bush (and the same probably goes for some of those voting for Kerry), it's not a matter of rabid, blind allegience. It's a matter of there being no viable third candidate in this particular election. Either Kerry or Bush will win. Voting your consience, which you are fully in your rights to do, is great and noble, but it won't decide the fate of the election in this particular race, except to possibly allow what even you might consider to be the worst of two evils to win. I am more of a realist. Since it is clear the race is between the two, regardless of who runs for what party, I have studied both candidates and have concluded that at this particular period in time, IMHO - Bush is the better choice. Sean said it best: Vote your conscience and hope whoever wins does right by us. I would add that before anyone votes his/her conscience, take the time to study the candidates - not what the media says about them. Gator |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 2nd, 2004, 2:25am I read some stuff in the last few days that I like. Just some food for thought: Americans are not polarized; the political parties are. (like that one) Maybe it's that perhaps not all that many of us lose a lot of sleep over gay marriage.....as some would like, and we don't like the drug war, etc. Another columnist thinks that cable tv, puters, and our ever-improving communications has a peculiar effect on our political lives. He thnks that we don't go to the bar or pub and exchange ideas, slap each other on the back, hang around much or spend real time around people you don't agree with. The internet makes it easy to stay put and seek out blogs, boards, and the like that only reinforce our positions. We stay in our little political worlds and it may even affect where we decide to live. While this is not new, it's certainly easier to shut things out. This board is pretty good though. We do rant and rave but have some fun at the same time. Other medical boards like the epilepsy organizations bore me to death. Thanks DJ. You allow us to keep it interesting as well as informative. We really need a way to get beer in there though. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Paige on Jul 2nd, 2004, 8:36am I just can't take it anymore. Here I am sitting in this Bible throwing, Jesse Helm loving, conservative as hell state and I am a freakin liberal ass democrat and proud of it. I will not ever, ever vote republican because I don't accept their points of view . Now that I have spoken my mind, which I haven't done in the past 4 months and I should have. I don't think this board is a place to attempt to influence ones vote. It is a very personal decision. I for one don't give a flying fuck who you vote for, just go vote. It doesn't matter for who!!! Just whatever you can live with. But lets not push ours political views on other people. I have stated mine and I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I don't care. I just had to say something because I have kept my damn mouth shut for too long about lots of things. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jul 2nd, 2004, 10:09am on 07/02/04 at 08:36:45, Paige wrote:
Can't we all just get along? Oh, the humanity! ;;D Listen toots, Little Deb asked for opinions - we delivered. Given the history of political debate on this board, I think she knew what would ensue. We are just about as opinionated as they come and we don't mind expressing ourselves. No screaming fanatacism. No jumping up and down on the desks throwing things and calling each other terrible names. Just adults expressing conflicting opinions in a relatively civilized manner. I have seen other places where the conduct was most unseemly. The maturity level of the people posting here is remarkable. If you have something to say, by all means, say it. If'n you don't want to participate, that's your prerogative. Don't get your tit in a wringer because someone posted something that made you think outside your comfort zone. Gator |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jul 2nd, 2004, 10:26am on 07/02/04 at 10:09:21, Gator wrote:
Gator, I love ya man, I really do. But please don't be callin' my lil' sister "toots", ok? |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Paige on Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:01am I have nothing in a wringer and I am not to be called Toots. This is not about a comfort zone, it is about an opinion and like I said I stated mine. And if you read, you will also notice I state I don't care who you vote for, just vote. It is a very personal thing to vote and to have just enough faith to elect one individual that you hope and pray will uphold what you as an individual believe in. A voter has to make an intelligent decision and not one based on others beliefs or opinions. Or what the general public expects. Have a peachy keen day peeps! |
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Title: 2nd Try Post by floridian on Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:11am on 07/02/04 at 02:25:03, Charlie wrote:
Is this what you had in mind, Charlie?? http://www.hersportscenter.com/Beer-Bottle-Lamps_files/busch.jpg Happy Fourth of July to All, I'm outta here for the weekend! |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by alleyoop49 on Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:40am on 07/02/04 at 10:26:16, thomas wrote:
[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] Gator, gotta love ya man. You tell it like you see it. You and Gator both crack me up! [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:59am on 07/02/04 at 10:26:16, thomas wrote:
You're kidding, right? If I had called her any number of names that came to my mind first, I could see getting bent. But toots? I will try to hold my nasty tongue. Quote:
Well, then unwad your panties and quit telling people what they should or shouldn't discuss. People learn and grow through open debate. I have learned things via the discussions on this board. Stick around with an open mind and you might learn something, too. Gator |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Paige on Jul 2nd, 2004, 2:02pm You talk about being open minded? You are the one who says I have my panties in a wad? And you wanted to call me somethings besides "toots" because I stated an opinion? You need to open your mind - it stated for an opinion, I gave mine and obviously you didn't like it. I don't like alot of peoples opinions. But I also don't call them names because of I disagree with them. Now, again - open your mind. People don't deserve to be called names based upon their opinions. There are people amongst who deserve lots of things, but not due to their opinions. Again, I reiterate, I don't care who anyone votes for, as long as they get out and vote. It doesn't matter who it is for, as long as the person makes an intelligent decision based on their own INDIVIDUAL beliefs. Not what others want to shove down their throats. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 2nd, 2004, 5:04pm We're kinda stuck with politics since the snake oil salesman rarely take the time to navigate this kind of board. The old board posts are full of quacks and cranks, boji stones, bizarre diets and crackpots of every stripe. Ted, Jonny, Ueli, and others made a lot of this stuff a nice break from all the serious stuff. It could be fun. There have been good Republicans too. I voted for a number of them; not lately but you never know. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jul 2nd, 2004, 11:10pm http://www.rudefun.com/pictures/politics/66.jpg Sean ;;D |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by purpleydog on Jul 3rd, 2004, 1:59am on 07/01/04 at 23:47:11, Gator wrote:
Gator you are such a fucking hypocrite! Please don't start name calling? Quote:
Gee gator, I didn't hear you tell thomas or charlie not to get his weiney in a wringer! I didn't hear you call him "sweet cheeks" or some other name! And in case you forgot reading comprehension, Paige said what she thought, and she also said she didn't care what anyone thought of her opinion. It was YOU who had to try and diminish what she said by name calling and sexist remarks so YOU could sound important. Quote:
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You should hear yourself gator. You have a double standard. It is ok to "play" politics with the guys, but I guess women don't count for much eh? No opinion worth hearing? ::) >:( purpleydog |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by alleyoop49 on Jul 3rd, 2004, 2:40am on 07/03/04 at 01:59:24, purpleydog wrote:
Damn Gator, I hate to side with the women but she nailed your arse. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Sean_C on Jul 6th, 2004, 11:41pm Best desition katsup boy ever made in my opinion was to pick Edwards. Hopefully he'll change his mind ;;D PFDAN to all Sean |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jul 7th, 2004, 12:59am Look at the bright side. If Kerry wins, we can mandate that every 18 year old to 28 year old serve in the United Nations military. Given that he is determined to forget about our constitution and our sovreignity and sell us out to the UN. Is it any wonder why I saw on the news that 94% of the French, 95% of the Germans, and 85% of the Chinese would vote for Kerry. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Woobie on Jul 7th, 2004, 2:41am on 07/07/04 at 00:59:48, RevDeFord wrote:
That's scarey! |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by floridian on Jul 7th, 2004, 10:52am on 07/07/04 at 00:59:48, RevDeFord wrote:
I'm already investing in companies that manufacture black helicopters. ;) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Jeepgun on Jul 7th, 2004, 11:43am Ketchup-boy scares the piss out of me. :o :-X :-/ |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jul 7th, 2004, 7:59pm on 07/03/04 at 01:59:24, purpleydog wrote:
Oh, and Alleyoop: STFU. You were laughing your arse off when I made the comment. Then you want to be quiet when I am misquoted and taken out of context. Grow a set. Got my arse indeed. Gator |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by purpleydog on Jul 7th, 2004, 10:13pm Quote:
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Grow a set of what Gator? Tits? Byt the way, there's that double standard again. pd edited for spelling |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 7th, 2004, 10:16pm Quote:
Oh good! 8) I haven't seen a black helicopter/Council on Foreign Relations/surrendered soveringty/"real Consititution"/black ops/ Bilderburger Group/ post here in long long time. I love it. I'll have to make sure I'm paid up. Don't want to miss even one meeting at our camp in Idaho. 8) Party on. You made my day ::) Charlie 8) |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Samantha_Smith on Jul 8th, 2004, 11:29am OMG this is one of the best threads ever!!! "Live free BEFORE you die--Vote Libertarian." Jeepgun, If you could make "Kerry is Scary" into a bumpersticker you could probably make some money. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Rock_Lobster on Jul 8th, 2004, 12:38pm Amusing thread. You all are a bunch of spang heads. http://www.303rdbga.com/na-toots.jpg |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jul 8th, 2004, 12:58pm LMAO! Nice pic Rock! Uh, duh, what's a spang head? [smiley=huh.gif] Gator |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 8th, 2004, 2:01pm I'm with Gator....."Spang me, they oughta take a rope and hang me?" ::) Dang me, I ever ran across "spang" before. ::) Neat pic though. 8) Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jul 8th, 2004, 2:22pm spang head = semen noggin. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 8th, 2004, 3:04pm http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/BUGGER ME SIGN.png Charlie :o |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by buckeyescooter on Jul 8th, 2004, 4:24pm Another unfortunate blunder for George W. yesterday. When asked by a reporter how he thought John Edwards stacked up against Dick Cheney, Bush mistakenly replied "Dick Cheney could be president." He actually meant to say "Dick Cheney IS president." |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jul 8th, 2004, 4:29pm All four of them know how to lie, I think that is the main pre-requisite nowadays. So I think they are all very qualified. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by stevegeebe on Jul 8th, 2004, 4:33pm and wealthy, Thomas. Steve G |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by jonny on Jul 8th, 2004, 6:53pm Man, if the energy that went into this thread went into finding a cure we would be half way there......LOL Do you ever get bored with this? ;;D ...........................................jonny |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by purpleydog on Jul 8th, 2004, 7:03pm on 07/08/04 at 18:53:24, jonny wrote:
Ain't that the truth! [smiley=me&mb.gif] purpleydog |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 8th, 2004, 10:48pm Quote:
Man. You're right about that. These creeps come from big or old money Prescott Bush to Heinz. When's the last time any of them bought a carton of milk? Too bad Edwards isn't on the top. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Gator on Jul 9th, 2004, 1:36am What's amazing to me is how people are ooh-ing and awe-ing over Edwards. Huh??? The American public not too long ago said they like Edwards less than Kerry? And now the war criminal and the loser are supposed to be some dynamic duo. Gator |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 9th, 2004, 1:23pm Nope. Ain't gonna get me started on that tack ::) Such exciting politicians we come up with here. We need a Theodore Roosevelt. Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by thomas on Jul 9th, 2004, 1:26pm on 07/09/04 at 13:23:07, Charlie wrote:
We need a political cleansing. Try and convict every one of those bastards in D.C. as enemies of the state and destroyers of the Constitution, execute their sorry asses and start all over. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 9th, 2004, 2:06pm DJ or Jonny on top of the ticket. I'm there. 8) Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by RevDeFord on Jul 9th, 2004, 2:14pm I wish our lawmakers in Washington would begin to meet and rather than make laws, which they think they must do every session, go back over the law books and verify if some of these things are even needed today. |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Big Dan on Jul 9th, 2004, 2:14pm Here's what's funny... ... polititians spend all this time trying to win votes, when 99.999% of the hardcore righties and lefties have already made up their mind. .... The rest are just swing votes, and they don't usually count for dick anyway. So.... I think I'm gunna write in my vote this year.... Here's the the ORIGINAL Green Party.... GUMBY/POKEY '04! -Big Dan |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Smartin on Jul 9th, 2004, 3:33pm Did anyone else notice the news today that King George's military records for when he was AWOL have suddenly dissapeared? Hmmmm |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Root on Jul 9th, 2004, 3:44pm Since we can't take them all out and shoot every third one, once a week. What I want to know is. Does Alfred E. Newman run anymore? [smiley=beer.gif] How about Prof. Erwin Corey? |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by forgetfulnot on Jul 9th, 2004, 5:54pm on 07/09/04 at 15:33:01, Smartin wrote:
No, haven't seen that. Gotta link? Lee |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Charlie on Jul 9th, 2004, 7:28pm I'm with the Rev here. Too many statutes on the books. It's good that common sense is used for things like blue laws and goofball Victorian things that were enacted before we had streetlights. You'd think they might look at other nonsense that could save us a buck or two. I don't need help from Congress on how to behave. ::) Don't get into the military stuff with either of them. It only leads to screaming on both sides. I'm moving to Oslo with Svenn. :o Charlie |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by Little Deb on Jul 9th, 2004, 9:42pm Who's got the bumper stickers??? "jonny for president" you've got my vote...................Little Deb |
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Title: Re: To Be or Not To Be....for our President??? Post by purpleydog on Jul 9th, 2004, 9:56pm on 07/09/04 at 15:33:01, Smartin wrote:
I don't know about King George, but here's one you may want to see. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=9&u=/nm/bush_records_dc Bush does it again! ::) purpleydog |
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