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(Message started by: justin on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:17pm)
Title: stem cell
Post by justin on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:17pm
i was awak all night and mind wandered. could stem cell research help us? prob not huh? my head hurts. worst time of year. just venting.
depakote, neurontin, verapamil combo, not working now. usually does. running low on imitrex. trip to neuro for freebies is necessary. ..... pray for pfd's


j
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by echo on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:20pm
Sorry to read that you are having a rough visit from the beast.

I hate it when the meds quit working, the mutant bastard that he is loves it however.
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Luke63 on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:26pm
Vibes...!!!
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Gator on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:32pm
Geez, that sucks, man.  Prevents quit working and running low on aborts.  I hope you can het some help soon.  Prayers and vibes going out for you.

Don't know of any stem cell research with ch.  Doesn't mean there isn't any, though.

Gator
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Leesa on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:35pm
VIBES going up hun. Keep us posted please!!!
Leesa  ;;D
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:54pm
In the long run, I think stem cell research will be very useful - maybe not for clusters, but in general for medicine.  In the short to medium term, it is being hyped.  

The idea that we can inject or transplant foreign cells into our bodies, and that they will stay put and do what we want (without going berserk, without being killed by our own immune system) is pretty far fetched.  Maybe someday.  But stem cells help us understand many biological processes that would otherwise be difficult or impossible to study.  So they are already very valuable for that reason alone.  
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by UN_SOLVED on Jun 15th, 2004, 3:00pm
I believe that stem cell research would eventually create a cure for us and many others with other conditions. (Alzeheimers, Parkinsons', Diabetes, and more) Right now (in the US), Bush has banned it from extending from the strains that we already have ( I think there are 64).

The Human Genome Project:
"Knowledge about the effects of DNA variations among individuals can lead to revolutionary new ways to diagnose, treat, and someday prevent the thousands of disorders that affect us." (http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/project/about.shtml)

Unsolved

Stem cell research Link (http://www.results-for-america.com/capcon.asp?subject=1&letterid=3&adno=2&vndrno=4&adtype=1&OVRAW=stem%20cell%20research&OVKEY=stem%20cell%20research&OVMTC=standard)

Stem cell research (with a POWERPOINT Presentation) (http://www.stemcellaction.org/SCA/Presentation.htm)
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2004, 4:05pm

Quote:
Bush has banned it from extending from the strains that we already have ( I think there are 64).


The real number of stem cell lines for implanting in humans is much lower than that given by the government - it is zero.  Some of the stem cell lines that were certified 'morally correct' have gone bad - their vigor has declined. All of them have been exposed to living mouse cells, raising the possibility that they harbor viruses (and making them unsuitable for medical use).  

Smaller countries have flown past the US in this area -  S.  Korea is kicking the US vigorously with a size 12 steel-toe boot when it comes to stem cell research!!


Quote:
BALTIMORE, Nov. 11 - A medical ethics panel said Monday it would be unethical and risky to treat people with the embryonic stem cells approved by President Bush for federally funded research. The approved cell lines, created for possible future disease treatments, were initially grown on mouse cells. That could expose humans to an animal virus their immune systems couldn’t fight, the panel said. The experts said that safer stem cell lines now exist, but those would not be eligible for federal funding.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3475888/


Just because universities and hospitals that receive federal funding are severely limited doesn't mean our friends at the pharmaceutical companies can do their own research.  It might cost each Alzheimer's patient an extra ten thousand dollars,  but think of the satisfaction the average citizen gets from knowing their tax money doesn't support evil stem cell research. :D  Oh, wait - most Americans support stem cell research :-/
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by ZAIRA on Jun 15th, 2004, 4:06pm

[smiley=frown.gif] Try with Lithium. Brave and strong......... think about this: if tomorrow will be worse than today, you will regret this day.... and this is not good, we need to be always ready to the worst events.... fight the beast... you're not alone!

Forgot, nice to meet you and welcome home, I’m so very sorry that you have to deal with this fucking headaches they can be very debilitating... I hope that you’ll have a short cycle and a very long remission....

regards, Zaira from Italy  ;;D
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2004, 4:18pm
A breakdown on who supports and opposes stem cell research.  Sorry for the crappy formatting, I don't have time to mess with table definition tags.


                                                       Support  Oppose
Religion:    
Evangelical white Protestants           50%       40
White Catholics                                 54           35
Non-evangelical white Protestants   70           18
Ideology:    
Conservatives                                   44%        44
Moderates                                         63           26
Liberals                                             76           14
Politics:    
Republicans                                       49%        37
Independents                                    62           26
Democrats                                          65           27
Abortion:    
Legal  (favor)                                    76%        15
Illegal  (oppose)                               39            50
Race:    
Whites                                               60%        29
Blacks                                                48           44

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/poll010626.html
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Mr. Happy on Jun 15th, 2004, 4:33pm
Al Gore (Democrat)   50,999,897 48.38%
George W. Bush (Republican) 50,456,002 47.87%
Stop aruging with your president over this issue.. He won his position in a (perfectly) legal manner. He's doing nothing more than what the American people want him to do.
He has a mandate.

Just ask him,
RJ
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by purpleydog on Jun 15th, 2004, 4:57pm
Justin,
Here's some painfree VIBES to you. May your cycle be short, and may your trip for freebies be fast!
Hang in there. :)

purpleydog
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by purpleydog on Jun 15th, 2004, 5:06pm
OK, I don't want to start anything here, but "morally correct" stem cells?

Here's to open research on stem cells, (I'm keeping my mouth shut, barely) and may a cure be found for CH and other debilitating illnesses and conditions.

Pain free to you all!!  :)

purpleydog
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Gator on Jun 15th, 2004, 5:28pm

on 06/15/04 at 16:33:33, Mr. Happy wrote:
Al Gore (Democrat)   50,999,897 48.38%
George W. Bush (Republican) 50,456,002 47.87%
Stop aruging with your president over this issue.. He won his position in a (perfectly) legal manner. He's doing nothing more than what the American people want him to do.
He has a mandate.

Just ask him,
RJ


That was the popular vote.  The electoral college vote elected Bush.  It's also not the first time in history this has happened.  In this case, every major liberal organization and media outlet in the country went down to Florida and recounted the vote.  Bush won every time.

That is also why I wonder at the necessity of an electoral college.  With today's technology, it would be possible to elect an official based on the popular vote of the people in a timely manner.  Some say it has more today to do with balancing the scales beween the parties and making sure states with smaller populations have a voice.  I think the whole process is outdated and I personally don't see the need for it any longer.


Gator
Surprise!
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by jonny on Jun 15th, 2004, 5:32pm
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d603b3127cce8d4dcac195cb0000001610

Edit.......That face slays me!!!!....LMMFYBO!! ;;D
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by BarbaraD on Jun 15th, 2004, 6:43pm
If there's a chance that stem cell research could help with any disease,  then I'm for letting the nice government fund it. I'd lot rather see them working on curing diseases than studying the mating habits of the tse tse fly. Makes a whole lot more sense.

And while they're at it -- they need to overhaul the whole damn medical/insurance industry that they've gotten totally screwed up. Let the doctors get back to practicing medicine instead of insurance. But that's another thread isn't it.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by cathy on Jun 15th, 2004, 6:50pm
Justin im sorry your getting hit so bad....PF vibes to you from me wish I could do more. Any kind of research for CH's is good research as far as im concerned, as for stem cells in particular I don't know but Floridian... stem cells are not foreign cell they are the basis of life itself and stem cells don't get rejected because of the very nature of themselves........but hey for a minute you really sounded intelligent... ;;D


Quote:
The idea that we can inject or transplant foreign cells into our bodies, and that they will stay put and do what we want (without going berserk, without being killed by our own immune system) is pretty far fetched.


Cathy
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by ClusterChuck on Jun 15th, 2004, 9:32pm
Wait a minute here!  Who are we kidding?  Stem cell research is a rare and very select area of research.  Do you really think they would waste it on a worthless cause like us?

Maybe by the time of my great great grandchildren ... That is if my kids ever figure out how to make babies ...

Chuck
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by floridian on Jun 15th, 2004, 9:34pm

Quote:
stem cells are not foreign cell they are the basis of life itself and stem cells don't get rejected because of the very nature of themselves........but hey for a minute you really sounded intelligent..


Um, stem cells are like an organ transplant.  The short to medium term vision is to culture cells from umbelical cells of a fetus, and convince those cells to change into nerve cells, pancreas, or whatever, and then put them in you or me. There is a very good chance that they will be recognized as 'foreign' by the immune system.  The immune system can be supressed with certain drugs, but even then, organ rejection occurs.  In an ideal world, they would take a persons own cells, turn them into stem cells, then transplant those.  In the near future, it is more likely that those pancreas and nerve cells will be derrived from umbelical cells (not yours or mine).
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Charlie on Jun 15th, 2004, 9:47pm
Churches and Washington use this as a hot button issue to distract us from real issues. This is the kind of shit we have to deal with I guess. Silly idiots.

Stem cell research may very well help us but it won't be high on the list of priorities.   >:(

Charlie
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Sean_C on Jun 16th, 2004, 12:54am
As a catholic they don't want me to support it. As a parent I wish more than anything it would continue.

I have a son who was born with a rare anomoly (sp) and some of his internal make up was outside the body, therefore all was destroyed during the pregnancy due to the rapid growth of the fetis in the first 20 weeks.

I believe Bush or Clinton took the funding away because somehow this is associated with cloning. And in order to stop that, they had to stop the research on stem cell. But there are other Country's that are continuing the research, I believe France is one of them, so our prayers are with them. I've seen what they've done with research on this before they haulted it, it was unbelievable. Hopefully someday my son will be complete.

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/277151825111/40128115sm.jpg


Lotsa love

Sean

His name is Collin, he's 2 and he is my everything ;;D
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Kevin_M on Jun 16th, 2004, 1:24am

on 06/16/04 at 00:54:11, Sean_C wrote:
As a parent I wish more than anything it would continue.

I've seen what they've done with research on this before they haulted it, it was unbelievable.  Lotsa love

Sean

His name is Collin, he's 2 and he is my everything ;;D


Your son is very much the reason there are some are dedicated to stem cells.  If something can be done, it needs to continue.  I really hope Collin can see that day soon Sean.   :'(    Undifferentiated cells can be made into anything.  I do not believe they have divided four times yet.  
Collin deserves that hope.  Best to you Sean, your family.

Kevin M
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Sean_C on Jun 16th, 2004, 1:38am
Thanks Kev, I appeciate it I really do. We pray daily believe me.

Sean
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by BobG on Jun 16th, 2004, 1:38am

on 06/16/04 at 00:54:11, Sean_C wrote:
I believe Bush or Clinton because of ignorant religious bigots that make up a very large voting block took the funding away because somehow this is associated with cloning. And in order to stop that, they had to stop the research on stem cell. Hopefully someday my son will be complete. I'm not a religious bigot.......I pray for Collin.

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/303281825111/40128115lg.jpg[/img]


Lotsa love

Sean

His name is Collin, he's 2 and he is my everything ;;D
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by Gator on Jun 16th, 2004, 5:05am

Quote:
Posted by: BobG Posted on: Today at 00:38:51
on 06/15/04 at 23:54:11, Sean_C wrote:I believe Bush or Clinton because of ignorant religious bigots that make up a very large voting block took the funding away because somehow this is associated with cloning. And in order to stop that, they had to stop the research on stem cell. Hopefully someday my son will be complete. I'm not a religious bigot.......I pray for Collin.

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/303281825111/40128115lg.jpg[/img]

Lotsa love

Sean

His name is Collin, he's 2 and he is my everything  


Sean & Bob,  

I, too think we should be leading the stem cell research.  The potential is too great no to.   We are supposedly an enlightened culture.  What are these people afraid of?  

I have lost all patience with the so-called "Moral Majority" and the "Bible Belt" mentality.  These people who know so much better than I do what is good for me pi$s me off.  I hate it that someone esle thinks they can dictate to me what I can read, watch, hear and do.   These narrow minded people are keeping our medical research in the dark ages and keeping people in the bonds of religious slavery.  

Gator
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by OneEyeBlind on Jun 16th, 2004, 6:27am

on 06/15/04 at 21:34:29, floridian wrote:
Um, stem cells are like an organ transplant.  The short to medium term vision is to culture cells from umbelical cells of a fetus, and convince those cells to change into nerve cells, pancreas, or whatever, and then put them in you or me. There is a very good chance that they will be recognized as 'foreign' by the immune system.  The immune system can be supressed with certain drugs, but even then, organ rejection occurs.  In an ideal world, they would take a persons own cells, turn them into stem cells, then transplant those.  In the near future, it is more likely that those pancreas and nerve cells will be derrived from umbelical cells (not yours or mine).


Floridian, in the perfect world they can harvest stem cells from your own body by transfusing your blood through a "stem cell machine" that extracts the stem cells from your body.  The stem cells are nothing more than cells that have not yet attached to any organ, so they can become a liver cell, brain cell, etc.  They are "virgin" cells so to speak.  They then try to multiply the stem cells through another process, creating cloned images of your own stem cells.  After massive doses of chemo to kill the unhealthy cells in your body (which is what lowers the immune system) they then transplant these back in to your body.  The rejection rate is much lower on patients who have stem cell transplants using their own stem cells.  The process is much like a bone marrow transplant, the difference being they use blood rather than the marrow to achieve the same result.    

At least that is how the doctors explained it to us, and my nephew did go through the harvest process just recently.  

IMHO, The issue with using placenta is an issue on whether the abortion rate would go up because the stem cells are worth GOLD to those in need of a transplant.  There is no good Godly reason why we shouldn't proceed with the research and testing in this area, using placentas or anything else that would produce the same results.  

Sean, good luck with Colin, I'll keep him in my prayers.

       
Title: Re: stem cell
Post by floridian on Jun 16th, 2004, 9:35am
Sean,  hopes and prayers for your 2 year old.

OneEyeBlind - your right that there are some stem cell therapies that use the bodies own blood cells (autologous).  Those treatments can be lifesaving, and with that approach, immune rejection is not a major risk.  But that approach is limited to a minority of diseases.

At present, blood stem cells are considered multipotent - they can transform to several types of cells (liver, nerve, muscle, and kidney).  But embryonic cells are considered totipotent or pluripotent - they can develop into any type of cell in the body, or at least more types than the multipotent.  

To generate the best kind of stem cells (autologous totipotent cells),  there are promising techniques that involves injecting a cell from a patient into a fertilized egg or embryonic cell whose nucleus was removed.  The idea is to trigger the cell from the adult to become embryonic, and use those - they would not have a rejection risk, and would be able to treat any type of tissue damage.  But that is too much like cloning/abortion for some people.  So that type of research is currently prohibited.  Umbilical cells are not as good as embryonic, but are better than older cells.  


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