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Title: Suicide Info Post by Gator on Jun 8th, 2004, 1:03pm I hate to hear of bad things happening to any of this family and it hurts me even more when some family members get so far down that suicide looks like the only door out of the pain. With all the crap that is going on and all the bad things that seem to be mounting (maybe it is always this way, but it seems to be getting worse) for more people day by day I thought a reminder of some good information might not be a bad idea. This is from the American Association of Suicidology, the url is: http://www.suicidology.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=2 There is no typical suicidal person, but here are some things to look for: Talks about committing suicide Has trouble eating or sleeping Experiences drastic changes in behavior Withdraws from friends and/or social activities Loses interest in hobbies, work, school, etc. Prepares for death by making out a will and final arrangements Gives away prized possessions Has attempted suicide before Takes unnecessary risks Has had recent severe losses Is preoccupied with death and dying Loses interest in their personal appearance Increases their use of alcohol or drugs Some things you can do: Be direct. Talk openly and matter-of-factly about suicide. Be willing to listen. Allow expressions of feelings. Accept the feelings. Be non-judgmental. Don’t debate whether suicide is right or wrong, or feelings are good or bad. Don’t lecture on the value of life. Get involved. Become available. Show interest and support. Don’t dare him or her to do it. Don’t act shocked. This will put distance between you. Don’t be sworn to secrecy. Seek support. Offer hope that alternatives are available but do not offer glib reassurance. Take action. Remove means, such as guns or stockpiled pills. Get help from persons or agencies specializing in crisis intervention and suicide prevention. There is more. Go to the website and read it for yourself. The person you help maybe one of your own close friends or family members or one the family here on this board. Maybe even yourself. Peace, Love, Prayers and Vibes to all my family here on this board. Mike |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by Luke63 on Jun 8th, 2004, 1:09pm Very Good info......will check out the link ASAP!!! |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by gwen on Jun 8th, 2004, 2:12pm Hiya Mike ( Gator ) Very well put Mike, thats very supportive of you, well done. |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by JDH on Jun 8th, 2004, 2:27pm Good info Gator. But remember folks, no matter what happens, SUICIDE IS NOT AN OPTION! Jim |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by Charlie on Jun 8th, 2004, 3:45pm Nice info and perhaps the best reason not to do away with yourself is that it's selfish. It hurts no one but those closest to you. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by thomas on Jun 8th, 2004, 4:51pm Wine is fine But whiskey's quicker Suicide is slow with liquor Take a bottle drown your sorrows Then it floods away tomorrows away tomorrows!! Evil thoughts and evil doings Cold, alone you hang in ruins Thought you'd escape the reaper You can't escape the master keeper 'Cause you feel life's unreal and you're living a lie Such a shame who's to blame and you're wondering why Then you ask from your cask is there life after birth What you sow can mean hell on this earth HELL ON THIS EARTH!! Now you live inside a bottle The reaper's travelling at full throttle It's catching you but you don't see The reaper is you and the reaper is me Breaking laws, knocking doors But there's no one at home Made your bed, rest your head But you lie there and moan Where to hide, suicide is the only way out Don't you know what it's really about? Wine is fine But whiskey's quicker Suicide is slow with liquor Take a bottle drown your sorrows Then it floods away tomorrows Suicide Solution by Ozzy Osbourne, first thing I thought of when I saw this thread. |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by Jeepgun on Jun 8th, 2004, 4:54pm I think suicide is a viable option, but only as a last resort. I tried it a few times and decided to live. I've always been on good terms with my mortality though, and love life enough to hold it lightly. I don't know that anything could ever push me to the brink again, but I have no strong feelings on the subject one way or the other. -Frank |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by Bob P on Jun 8th, 2004, 5:54pm http://www.clusterheadaches.org/crisis_intervention.htm |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by purpleydog on Jun 8th, 2004, 6:16pm on 06/08/04 at 15:45:42, Charlie wrote:
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by ave on Jun 9th, 2004, 5:37am Well, that's very neat, saying it is selfish (though it IS true). The problem is, when you are THERE, you don't give a #@%. You consider everybody else selfish, in giving you so much pain and suffering - no, you are NOT rational. That is the problem. BTDT and very happy to be around, still. So I figure I owe it to others who are where I have been, to tell them just that: happy to have failed. |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by Gator on Jun 9th, 2004, 8:24am on 06/09/04 at 05:37:36, ave wrote:
Exactly right. I am happy you are still here as well. You can testify to the thoughts and feelings that go through the head of a person on the edge. I've been right on that razor edge. I had everything planned out, got down to having the pill bottles with enough medication to kill an elephant lined up on my desk. I was crying like a baby, just looking for a reason NOT to do it. I could not think of one good reason to live that was stronger than my desire to die. I took one last walk through the house - looked in on the kids, watched them sleeping and wondered what they would think of their dad the next morning, what pain would they suffer at my hand. Walked back to the bedroom and watched my wife sleeping, and thought about the pain she would suffer to find me dead. I sat on the bed beside the wife. She woke up and just held me until I kind of fell asleep. I'm sure she knew something was up, but she just held me and said everything was going to be alright. You see, the poem that I posted a while back was not just an anonymous tale of cluster pain. It was a true story of how a strong man got down so low and how his love for his family and a gentle touch and a reassuring voice kept him - me from taking that final step. The Beast Cometh He comes in the night like a tiger on the prowl He strikes in my sleep Oh no, that's him now He sneaks up behind me Takes my head in his claw He rips at my eyeball And tears at my jaw I spring from the bed Won't disturb the wife's dream Hurry to another room And stifle a scream The O2 is flowing Now breathing so deep But the oxygen tonight Won't halt the beast's creep I push on my right eye So hard it may pop I bang my head hard and cry God, please make it stop The nose runs and tears come My eyelid so swollen The beast he just laughs At the night's sleep he's stolen The pain it now eases And worn from the fight I collapse in my recliner But try as I might I can't go to sleep now The beast I do fear Will attack me again Just as sleep does draw near This pain is unending So many drugs tried Life isn't worth living I think suicide The bottle is empty The pills in my hand Just swallow them down They don't understand My hands are so shaky My chest is so tight It's just too damned easy But I know it's not right I put the pills down now And walk through the house I watch my kids sleeping Then back to my spouse She wakes and she holds me She says it's okay She tells me she loves me The dark clouds drift away I finally lay sleeping Forgetting the dread My wife holds my hand As we lie there in bed Sweet dreams flow upon me my nightmare has ceased But off in the distance No, Oh God NO! the cry of the beast |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by ClusterChuck on Jun 9th, 2004, 2:43pm on 06/08/04 at 14:27:56, JDH wrote:
Sometimes this is not the way it looks. There are many times when that seems to be the ONLY option. Chuck |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by Sean_C on Jun 9th, 2004, 9:56pm Gator, I skipped this post and finally opened it. The funny thing is that what you wrote about what to look for is exactly true, however losing two friends one to the rope and one to the knife I've found one common thing with the both of them. Both were extremely happy for the last couple of days prior to their death. Everybody thought that they were not depressed anymore but unfortunately it wasn't the case. It seems they are happy its over I guess. There are no answers and suicide isn't final, it stays with the rest of us for life. I can honestly say that I think of one daily and its been three years, I think of the other at least once weekly and its been 20 years. Please don't anyone ever consider such a selfish act. Life always has its ups and downs, and whatever bothers you now will pass eventually, all you have to do is look for the cure and there is a cure for everything. Love to all Sean |
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Title: Re: Suicide Info Post by Sean_C on Jun 9th, 2004, 11:14pm on 06/09/04 at 14:43:41, ClusterChuck wrote:
Chuck, your right, that is truly the way they feel, however if anyone has a friend or family member that has any of the symptoms in Gators post please don't hesitate to get them "LOCKED UP" Because I said the same things you've all said before. " He'll get over it or he'll be fine" wrong answer guys. When they start with that crap of suicide they've probably already attempted it but got scared or were riddled with guilt. This post isn't good for me.......enuff said [smiley=huh.gif] Sean |
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