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Title: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Tiannia on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:29pm I got this and in reading it I became very courious if the comments made in this are true of not. Not wanting to start yet another political debate, but just want to know if these statements are true or false. I KNOW what to expect from W in the next 4 years if he is elected... I want to get a feel for Kerry. -Tia Email was entitled Letter to Senator Kerry - Dear Senator Kerry: Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple, you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect. You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II; and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard and the navy. In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge. You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father won a Bronze Star for single handily charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father's unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..." It was also a common problem for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units. You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early. My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East. Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos. As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability. I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win. Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander in Chief? Will you gladly send them to war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win? Our country is at war Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight. Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the answer is not just no, but Hell No! Sincerely, Michael Connelly February 14, 2004 Dallas, Texas |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by John_D on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:32pm it is real political, I have yet to get a real feel for a political candidate, there publicity machines pump out to much BS to see clearly |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Cerberus on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:36pm I dunno if its real...but it makes fer a real good argument I'm thinkin. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Tiannia on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:37pm True - and I dont have the time to wade throught it all to see who or what is facts and or fiction. I figure there appear to be enough people who are versed on the bandwagons that they can read the letter about and qualify what was said. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by eyes_afire on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:38pm According to Snopes, the veracity of the email is unable to be determined at this time. Check out the last item in the link below: http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/kerry.asp I know what to expect from both Bush and Kerry... same difference. Good thing there are other alternatives. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by John_D on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:41pm well honestly, the description of John Kerry's war record in that letter was not bad, the writer was just comparing it to incredible war stories, I think Bush would look much worse compared to those. As far as the voting the Kerry did in Congress, those guys many times have to vote in crazy ways, it is the way politics works in the house and senate. That is why it is SO hard for congressmen to get elected President. Dole faced the same crap when he ran. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by eyes_afire on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:47pm Quote:
You're right John. The problem is pork and special interests. Both parties are very guilty. It's time for a MAJOR congressional overhaul. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by jonny on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:49pm The other day the headline on the front page of one of the two biggest newspapers in Boston was "Senator Flip-Flop does it again", We know the real John Kerry up here. ................................................jonny Edit: Just to be fair....Bush aint no brain surgeon himself but I do believe most of Tia's post having lived here in Boston all my life and seen the real Kerry. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by John_D on Jun 1st, 2004, 8:01pm on 06/01/04 at 19:49:38, jonny wrote:
well shit if everyone in that area feels that way, it will come out and maybe Bush will win again. Last election I thought it did not matter who won, but since then i have realized that the only area that the President is not tempered by congress and the judicial branch is international relations and he has the power to totally fuck that up. I live in Florida, I voted for him last time, and I always figured I may have been one of 300 votes that put him over the edge. :P I won't be doing that again. Maybe in four more years I will be singing the same song with Kerry, but I am very, very uncomfortable with the state of US international relations and I just cannot take it any longer. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Simon on Jun 1st, 2004, 8:31pm on 06/01/04 at 19:29:21, Tiannia wrote:
Would you trust anyone who did this to be a sane and responsible leader? The guy can't win with some people. If three purple hearts sends you home, go home - military equivalent of term limits. As I've said before, if you think he didn't deserve them, take it up with the military. Remember, while this macho crap may go down well domestically, it worries the shit out of many of us in distant parts, especially when our leaders are poodles to yours. (I know it's none of my business, and I don't know all the details, but it gets presented in such a polarised and simplistic way, where logic flies out of the window.) A confused foreigner... Baa |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by purpleydog on Jun 1st, 2004, 9:07pm Oh these political threads... All I'm gonna say is that anyone can spin any information any way they want to push peoples buttons and get a reaction. The comments made in this letter about what Kerry went through are not from first hand knowledge. Where did the writer get the info? And it's not necessarily what the facts are in a letter like this, it's how they are presented. You can't compare the way a war was fought 40 years ago to how it is fought today (think media). Do you believe everything you read? purpleydog |
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Title: Email for Dummies..... Post by Mr. Happy on Jun 1st, 2004, 9:18pm Whatever the truth factor of Kerry's military service record may be........it still beats the SNOT out of anything GW ever did for his country, or should one say.....DIDN'T DO, militarily speaking. Victory RJ |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by miapet on Jun 1st, 2004, 9:51pm Why don't we look at GWs war record? oops, there isn't one . . . In our opinion, it comes down to making better bad choices . . .and for us, another 4 years with GW would hurt more than it would help . . . *positive light and energy* miapet |
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Title: Re: Email for Dummies..... Post by purpleydog on Jun 1st, 2004, 10:32pm on 06/01/04 at 21:18:38, Mr. Happy wrote:
I agree. purpleydog |
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Title: Re: Email for Dummies..... Post by JDH on Jun 1st, 2004, 11:08pm on 06/01/04 at 21:18:38, Mr. Happy wrote:
'nuff said Hap http://www.awolbush.com/ [smiley=crackup.gif] Jim |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Sean_C on Jun 1st, 2004, 11:17pm Jonny is right, they did post that on the front page. I wasn't surprised when Kerry stated he wasn't going to accept his nomination at the Democratic Convention in Boston in July. Why would he do something that would benefit his home state. He recanted under obvious pressures of his fellow Democratic peers. I honestly think he's a piece of shit. Leader........no fuckin' way. Follower.........absafuckinlutely. Sean |
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Title: Email _This_........ Post by Mr. Happy on Jun 2nd, 2004, 1:15am Ay God, Sean....it's great to finally throw darts at one another. Quote:
"Lithium hasn't affected me......." Ahem...... Quote:
Me neither. At nuthin.....from anyone....... Quote:
Well Jesus H........THERE'S a piece of enlightenment. Do you want the puppet on the left hand, or the puppet on the right hand? It's the PuppetMaster I'm after, RJ |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Charlie on Jun 2nd, 2004, 4:14am Pure election year bullshit. Tell you what: Let's stack up George Bush's military record with that of John Kerry. There are blog after blog full of this shit. waste of time. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2004, 8:33am The stuff about the POW MIA's is true. Kerry and Hanoi Jane were real good buddies. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by JDH on Jun 2nd, 2004, 9:02am on 06/02/04 at 08:33:43, thomas wrote:
you think? ;) http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp Jim |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2004, 9:25am Here's a link to a thread on the Task Force 115 message board. These are the guys who were there: http://p197.ezboard.com/fbrownwaternavyanddeltaarmyvietnamveteransfrm11.showMessage?topicID=52.topic |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2004, 9:37am on 06/02/04 at 09:02:05, JDH wrote:
Didn't know anything about that mock-up photo. But thanks cool link. Check this pic http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/Fonda_Kerry_arrow.jpg |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Jeepgun on Jun 2nd, 2004, 9:49am Bob, it seems to be a fairly balanced board, and the opinion of Kerry seems to be tepid, at best. Far more interesting are the comments concerning the Patriot Act. FYI, the images of Kerry with Hanoi Jane are both false. Check Snopes. -Frank |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2004, 10:48am Quote:
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Tiannia on Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:06am on 06/02/04 at 09:49:22, Jeepgun wrote:
no the one that Thomas showed according to Snopes is true. John Kerry Claim: Photograph shows Senator John Kerry at a 1970 anti-war rally. Status: True. my only question about the pic, is where the hell is Kerry. I dont see him and you would think that a face as long as his would be easy to spot. Is he the one that looks like he has not shaved in 3 years? |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Jeepgun on Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:10am My mistake. Thanks, Tiannia! :) |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Tiannia on Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:11am Like I said there is soo much crap that is floating around. I am trying to et a fair idea of who the players are. I know W. And I dont want to just not vote for him because "no body could be worse." Although I think it would be funny is Kerry did turn down the nomination. Bush would have spent all this money on ads slaming Kerry and would have to start from stratch. I know that this board is full of knowledge, So how many times has a party nominee turned down a domination and what does the party do then? |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Jeepgun on Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:13am I personally don't care what he did in Vietnam or what he did after coming home from Vietnam. I'm more interested in what he feels about what he did then, at this point in time. To me, that's more pertinent than anything else. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by JDH on Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:15am on 06/02/04 at 11:06:32, Tiannia wrote:
Maybe true but it's not like he's actually with Jane Fonda. They just happen to be at the same anti-war rally. IMO John Kerry actually served so he had the right to protest against what he saw first hand. Jim |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by John_D on Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:17am on 06/02/04 at 11:11:46, Tiannia wrote:
He is only delaying acceptance of the nomination because the campaign laws give him more spending flexibility before he accepts. But I personally have never turned down a domination ;;D |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:56am I meant that John and Jane both didn't do our boys over there, living in rat pens, any good. I didn't mean to say that they were actually friends, hell, I don't even know if they've ever met. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Slammy on Jun 2nd, 2004, 1:40pm Quote:
Since when is one's military experience a good measuring stick for becoming President of the United States? A good soldier doesn't necessarily make a good politician. Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2004, 1:47pm on 06/02/04 at 13:40:26, Slammy wrote:
Politicians are not good people in general, they are great at stealing and lying, these are the people that tell us what we can and can not do, I am very close to not ever voting again. I mean come on, these people couldn't hold a real job, so they run for office and take money from lobbiests, if any of you truly think you are represented in Washington D.C., you've got more wrong with your noggin than CH. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Gena on Jun 2nd, 2004, 3:43pm Found this on evil.com - Not my writing but I have to agree - Evil is on the lips and in the mind of every american, constantly at war invloving ourselves in issues that do not consern us, greed, money and sex are our only fuel. No longer a question of why we'd go to war just who. Fear is pumped through our news channels straight in to the american subconnious turning the masses in to accepting herds of paniced live stock. Corpartions laugh from high above in there skysrapers, as terrorist smash into them. Politicians laugh as they feel safe in DC, as terrorist factions are rummored to be pressent again. All this from ego, money, putting our countrys nose is to forrign affairs, that only involve us so that if we fucked em up enough we can enstate a new 'leader' there and rape they're oil mines... but yet the glisting teeth of every american are ready to be sank deep in to the heart of any threat forign or domestic when in reality the only people who mean us any threat our own leaders have created... fear = cattle! cattle = control, threat = fear, and we are threatend by they're contol... Let the flaming begin!!!!! 8) |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Bob P on Jun 2nd, 2004, 4:13pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Gena on Jun 2nd, 2004, 4:20pm on 06/02/04 at 16:13:29, Bob P wrote:
Good thing I stated that I did not write it ;;D |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Gator on Jun 2nd, 2004, 4:29pm on 06/02/04 at 15:43:40, Gena wrote:
I can agree with a lot of this. Democrats are trying to scare the senior citizens and welfare recipients saying the Republicans are gonna cut their checks; Republicans are trying to scare everyone saying there will be more terrorist attacks if the Democrats get in office - all under the guise of control and power. All that is except the bit about raping oil fields. If we were doing that we wouldn't be facing such problems with rising gas prices. If we were taking their oil, we wouldn't be begging OPEC to ramp up production in order to lower the gas prices. We would tell them to go piss up a rope, we have all the oil we need. We owe it to ourselves and our children to study the issues and pay attention to current events and vote according to our principles rather than our emotions. Ignorance is probably the greatest threat to any free society, because ignorance breeds the fear that allows a people to be controlled by those who would use that fear to their own ends. Gator JAFO - Just Another F#@&ing Okie ;;D |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2004, 4:44pm on 06/02/04 at 16:29:04, Gator wrote:
Gator I agree, however what are our frickin' choices....... that is the frustrating part. I am sick and damn tired of voting against someone, I want someone that I can vote for. It is disgusting government used to be a part time job, the only reason it's not anymore, is because they have made it so damn complex that it has to be a full time job. It's time for some serious change folks. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Gator on Jun 2nd, 2004, 5:23pm on 06/02/04 at 16:44:47, thomas wrote:
There are probably good candidates, they are just in fringe parties and will never be elected which means you just throw your vote away if you vote for them. In the mean time we vote for the lesser of two evils. I think it has probably always seemed like the lesser of two evils. It just seems the evils get worse and worse as time goes by. Unfortunately, there will never be any serious change until Americans get off their butts and do something about it. Not likely to happen any time soon. It seems that the biggest portion of Americans are happy to let someone else make the decisions for them. THAT worries me. How long will it be before a large enough percentage give up as to let the whole thing go down the drain? |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2004, 5:30pm on 06/02/04 at 17:23:29, Gator wrote:
Well, I guess I'll be throwing my vote away, but at least I wont have to hold my nose while doing it. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by John_D on Jun 2nd, 2004, 5:37pm on 06/02/04 at 17:30:27, thomas wrote:
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by jonny on Jun 2nd, 2004, 5:43pm http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4da37b3127ccebca412d01f4e0000001610 NUFF SAID!!!! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by ckelly181 on Jun 2nd, 2004, 5:44pm on 06/02/04 at 11:11:46, Tiannia wrote:
Hey Tianna, On NPR, I found out that he turned down the nomination because then he is bound by some election law that says he can only spend so much money when he's the "official" candidate. Kerry has TONS of money for the election, and he's just waiting for Bush to accept his nomination so they are both bound by that law. He's free to spend away until then...that's what I heard, no expert here. Chris |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by stevegeebe on Jun 2nd, 2004, 6:12pm When are we going to get totally tired of these maggots in Washington? Shame on us! So much apathy. Huey Long would straighten this crap out for sure...LOL Look, if the poles hold to November, it's a draw....right? Let's let the troops select their Commander in Chief. Who do you think would win? Steve G Ya got my vote jonny. The Pain Party. Our name says it all. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 2nd, 2004, 6:21pm on 06/02/04 at 18:12:25, stevegeebe wrote:
I've been tired of them since Ronnie left town. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by eyes_afire on Jun 2nd, 2004, 6:59pm Choices http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm Lots say they want change, but do they really mean it? The Republi-Crats want you to believe that voting '3rd party' is a waste... so they can keep playing. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by BobG on Jun 2nd, 2004, 7:12pm Don't know if any of it is true or. And don't give a shit. That Michael Connelly guy, IF that is his real name and IF there is such a person, wants to compare Kerry's military record against his and his daddy's. Michael says he was a Capt. in the RESERVE! Hmmm, didn't serve any active duty? Michael's daddy served in WWII. Good for him but what does that have to do with Kerry? Different time, different place, different war, different rules. Apples to oranges. How or if Kerry got any medals in Vietnam don't mean crap today. That was a long time ago. It's over, done with. Why re-fight it again? 30 years ago...were we all perfect 30 years ago. And this shit about Kerry being good friends with Hanoi Jane......bullshit. He possibly went to a rally where she showed her sorry ass. And is that a real picture or something doctored to discredit Kerry? One more thing. Hanoi Jane went to North Vietnam and told the Communist Army to go south and drive out the invaders. The invaders were the US Military. Kerry never did did such a traitorist thing. And why is Bush's backers so intent on destroying Kerry's military record but never say a thing about AWOL George? |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by jonny on Jun 2nd, 2004, 7:29pm Comments of former POW Joe Crecca Seattle Post Intelligencger February 8, 2004 Kerry doesn't deserve veterans' support By JOE CRECCA GUEST COLUMNIST The rigors and hardships of being a POW aside, I remember the so-called "peace movement" and peace marches and rallies that were taking place back home in the United States. Our captors were more than willing, within their means, to provide us with any and all anti-U.S. and anti-Vietnam War propaganda. Without a choice in the matter, we listened to the "Voice of Vietnam" broadcasts by "Hanoi Hannah" and were shown newspaper and magazine photos and articles about those opposing the war back in the states. One of the peace marchers' standard slogans was, "Bring our boys home now and alive." The warped thinking of such people was that by demonstrating against U.S. involvement in Vietnam, they'd be shortening the war and reducing the number of American casualties. These demonstrators would also try to make one believe that their efforts would bring POWs like me home sooner. They were utterly wrong on both counts, not to mention the detrimental effect their actions had on the morale of our troops and our POWs. John F. Kerry was not just one of these demonstrators. He was leading them. These demonstrations for peace had the exact opposite effect of what they purported to accomplish. Instead of shortening the war the "peace movement" served only to protract the conflict, resulting in a vastly greater number of Americans killed and wounded, greater economic burdens and longer periods of incarceration for Americans held captive in Vietnam. The war would have been over much sooner and with a much more favorable result if those in the "peace movement" would have rallied behind the commander in chief to accomplish our mission and then withdraw. Many fewer names would be engraved into the black granite of the Vietnam Memorial if these people had supported our efforts instead of trying to derail them. After all, fighting against a political regime that up to that time had murdered more than a hundred million people couldn't have been all bad. But Kerry thought and acted differently. How many more names on the wall can he take credit for? After the war ended, some of the war protesters hung on to their anti-war postures for a while. Some of them realized the errors of their ways almost immediately, but it took others 20 to 25 years. Some, like Kerry, have not realized there was anything wrong with what he did. Instead, he hopes we will see him as a courageous Vietnam veteran. I do not. He hopes we will admire his bravery. I do not. I remember him more for his misdeeds upon his return from Vietnam. However, in the present political arena, he evidently has succeeded in gaining the support of some well-meaning but misled Americans. Given his past record, it is just astonishing that he has garnered any support from our nation's veterans. I hope people will reconsider their support for Kerry in light of his actions, which were so detrimental to our Vietnam combat soldiers, sailors and airmen, many of whom are not here today to tell you themselves. Joe Crecca Vietnam POW 22NOV66-18FEB73 http://www.powmiafamiliesagainstjohnkerry.com/formerpows/formerpows.htm Get the lead out....LMAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Tiannia on Jun 2nd, 2004, 7:39pm ok I am ranting now. I know that I said that I want to hear all the sides. But I have a serious issue with Bush. I know that there are many reasons that people are bringing up that Bush is needed in the White House for the good of the military and such but this is a major concern for me, here where I live... For Las Vegas speicifcally and Nevadans in General, There are serious issues with Bush. The whole Nuclear Waste Facility (Faust) at Yucca Mtn is a real sore spot with us. Every promise that Bush made regarding Yucca Mtn was crap. The scientific findings where not validated and where not used to determine his signature of the waste dump in my back yard. There is nothing that says that the fault that runs under Yucca Mtn is even close to being stable. The house that I bought 2 years ago, How much do you think that will be worth once Yucca Mtn opens up? Have any of you that are on the proposed route through the country been told that this is happening? Have you allowed your vote to be heard regarding the safety issues that have yet to be addressed on the transportation of the waste? ok Rant is done. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Slammy on Jun 2nd, 2004, 7:59pm Tia- I sympathize with your plight. But whatever concerns you have in regards to Yucca Mtn., Kerry is not in the least bit interested in solving them. Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Simon on Jun 2nd, 2004, 8:00pm on 06/02/04 at 19:29:39, jonny wrote:
Huh? Which countries went missing that no one told me about? S (I know Jonny was quoting someone else, just don't now how to indicate that...) :) |
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Title: Re: Email _This_........ Post by Sean_C on Jun 2nd, 2004, 9:59pm on 06/02/04 at 01:15:16, Mr. Happy wrote:
Hap I thought when you said you like bush you meant Bush............my bad ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D Tell you what, you catch the first 50 LBer and I'll vote for Kerry thats how much my votes gonna count in this state [smiley=laugh.gif]............Bush take Mass? Never happen in my life time. We won't vote Republican for President, but will for a Governor, kinda fuck'd don't ya think, maybe its because Docuckuz (pronouced the same as asking a baby if he did the potty) totally fuck'd us over with the defunked Massachusetts Miracle. I believe our Bond rating was the lowest ever in the Country. ;;D Unemployment was at its highest, and money was unheard of. :( I still miss Bill, he was a great political smoosher, and always came out of the oval office smilin' ;;D PF wishes to you all. Sean |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Tiannia on Jun 3rd, 2004, 10:49am on 06/02/04 at 19:59:21, Slammy wrote:
Slammy you are very probably right. But I have asked the question to his website. I am curious what type of answer I will get. I know that Bush does not give a shit about the electoral votes from Nevada because most of the population is in one area we will never have enought electoral votes to make a difference. But I am hope that kerry will decide that our state is important enough to at least address this issue with. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 3rd, 2004, 11:01am on 06/03/04 at 10:49:07, Tiannia wrote:
Nevada will be important, right until AFTER the election, that is the sad part. If you want either one of those pukes to listen to your plight, just send a couple of million bucks their way and I'm sure they'll take the time to listen. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Tiannia on Jun 3rd, 2004, 11:10am on 06/03/04 at 11:01:31, thomas wrote:
But Thomas that is the point. With all of the Casinos in this town there are millions that could be gotten. I would think that these guys would see that they have that. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by thomas on Jun 3rd, 2004, 11:30am http://news.excite.com/odd/article/id/407040|oddlyenough|06-03-2004::09:08|reuters.html It just keeps getting more laughable every day, that's the sad part. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Charlie on Jun 3rd, 2004, 3:21pm Even I have a simple answer to this: Anyone who appoints that horror of a human being, John Ashcroft to anything deserves nothing but contempt. By doing so, he shows that he has no interest in the Bill of Rights. The idea that George Bush and company cared more than a smidgeon about the people of Iraq before 9-11 is absurd. It won't wash as a campaign issue. Time to grow up. Like someone said...I forget who, way back in the 70s during the oil shortage: As soon we find ways to end dependence on foreign oil, the sooner we can relegate this area of the world back to the obscurity to which it deserves. It's not that simple anymore and appealing mostly to those who don't read history but for a hell of a lot of Americans, it rings true. We’re the good guys but we’re too much in their faces and as a result too vulnerable. All I can say is that it better work for all the mess created. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Gator on Jun 3rd, 2004, 3:40pm on 06/02/04 at 19:39:39, Tiannia wrote:
Actually, the process to store nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain started long before Bush came along. The site was under study as early as 1978. It was one of five sites in the original study which ruled out the other four. Congress past and present has had more to do with it than any president. In 2002, the Senate approved it 60 to 39 and the House approved it 306 to 117. I don't know exactly what promises were made or broken, but it really didn't matter who the president was. After all the time and money that was spent on the studies, the paperwork was going to be signed. I don't blame you for being upset. There is an aquifer beneath the proposed site that provides water for drinking and irrigation to the surrounding area. An earthquake could cause problems, but it would have to be a really big one. The site is about 1000 feet above the aquifer. It would take a hell of an earthquake to open up a crack more than 1000 feet deep and big enough to swallow the site. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near when it happened with or without a nuclear waste storage facility. The site has to go somewhere and nobody wants it. No matter where it goes, it will cause a major stink. I do feel sorry for you and the other people who built in the affected area. It should be a mandatory requirement that anyone building in that type of area be warned of the pending action. There are more than 131 sites in 43 states that store radioactive materials. There has always been a push to store the waste in one place and now with the threat of terrorism that push is even greater. Seems nobody has thought of what happens if terrorists attack the waste shipment on the way to the site or at the temporary storage area prior to shipment, but I could be wrong. Oh, and yes, Oklahoma is in the transportation corridor. From what I have read so far, there are over 100 million shipments of radioactive materials every year and there have only been 4 accidents since 1973, none of which caused injury or death due to exposure to the radioactive material. But anytime the government sticks its fingers in something, there is cause for some worry. Gator We'll probably all be glowing before it is over. |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Charlie on Jun 3rd, 2004, 4:21pm Quote:
Holy shit. Two posts from Gator that I agree with today. The end must be nigh or something must have frozen over. Come to Western New York State. They've been trying to clean up the leaky spent fuel rod site in West Valley for 35 years. Hard to make friends with nukes. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by jonny on Jun 3rd, 2004, 5:06pm on 06/03/04 at 16:21:11, Charlie wrote:
You have the Gif's and I have the Pic's, my ole friend Charlie.......I think this one works.....LMAO ;;D http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d735b3127cce8e310b1e237e0000001610 ...............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real? Post by Gator on Jun 3rd, 2004, 6:18pm on 06/03/04 at 16:21:11, Charlie wrote:
I have marked this date on my calendar and am now nervously watching the skies and the news for the F100 tornado or asteroid that will end it all. [smiley=worried.gif] Gator It had to happen eventually ;;D |
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