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(Message started by: Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 4:38pm)
Title: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for cluster
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 4:38pm
Good afternoon, My name is Jim and before you ask, no, I do not have cluster headaches, but from working on dyslexia and it's causes and effects, I believe the two can be related in at least some cases.

What follows is but a small portion of all I have written on the subject of dyslexia, but this site will not permit me to post it in its entirety.

It is very likely that some people with milder forms of dyslexia create more connections within the brain.

I'm willing to bet that because of the many factors involved, dyslexic individuals that are pressed very hard, develop what is known as cluster headaches, because they overdevelop the connections within the brain and possibly create a feedback in many ways, eye strain being one of the major factors.

Some or most of these people will be brilliant in many ways.

Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Gena on May 13th, 2004, 4:44pm
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I'm nto dislexic rea u Nucking futz
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Bob P on May 13th, 2004, 4:48pm
Rallying cry:

Dyslexics Untie!!

Actually, I would like to her more on this too.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 4:51pm

on 05/13/04 at 16:42:35, BobG wrote:
Hey Jim,
Huh? Please explain a little more.


The only way I can help others to see what I do is to make 4 or 5 posts in a row, to get my full reasoning behind dyslexia and then if people are still interrested, questions and answers may be in order, if sufferers choose.

Thanks for asking and I hope I can be helpful.

I would add, that there are many that suffer from milder forms of dyslexia, but I also believe, that dyslexia, like cluster headaches go from mild to severe. I believe I can offer some things to think about, not that they are right.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Svenn on May 13th, 2004, 4:52pm
what a clown ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 4:55pm

on 05/13/04 at 16:48:38, Bob P wrote:
Rallying cry:

Dyslexics Untie!!

Actually, I would like to her more on this too.


Dyslexia, it's Causes and possible Manifestations, By Jim Ryan

I will be kind of brief.

My wife has a daughter. That daughter is right handed naturally, from what I know. She married a left handed man. They had 3 children, 2 were girls and one was a boy. The father spent a whole lot more time teaching his son than he did his daughters from what I observed, in speach and action. This young man grew up as a left handed individual. He is the second oldest. The first child born was a girl, and she presents as a naturally right handed individual, that is very coordinated, very strong, and very intelligent. She is an A student. This family started out in New York, so my wife and I had little contact, until the family moved to Florida. Once settled here, they had a new baby girl, I call her shugie. She presented as being what we all consider as normal. We had fairly close contact with the family, from there on out, until the parents seperated. At that time, they came to live with us.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 4:55pm
I took much time and pleasure, in teaching shugie about everything I could, in the best possible terms. At that time, she was just starting to read, write, and color. Coloring and many other things supplied by her loving grandmother, my wife.

At that time, I started to notice that when reaching for things, there seemed to be a slight hesitation in respect to which hand she should grasp an object. I also noticed that when she wrote some of her letters, they were written backward.

I also observed how shugie would write, right handed, but she positioned the paper as a left handed person would. Since I observed these situations in their formative stages I decided not to make drastic changes and instead, I started to get her to learn to write with her left hand, and perform other things with her left hand, in an effort to help balance her body and mind conservatively. I carefully told her of some of the things I saw and why, so that she could understand what was probably caused by a right handed mother that loved her very much, teaching a naturally left handed child, without realizing her daughter was born right hemisphere dominate, or in other terms, left handed. When refering to right hemisphere and left hemisphere, I am speaking of brain function. Right hemisphere dominance, usually manifests itself in left handed children, while left hemisphere dominance, manifests itself as right handed children, unless Dyslexia forms.
Speaking to a friend, she tells me of a form of dyslexia she has and explained that both of her parents are right handed. When I asked if she had any in her family in previous generations that were left handed, she did not know.

In the vast majority taught, as we consider sound teaching, left handed children tend to base their balance on the right side of their body, while right handed children tend to balance their body, on the left side.

The strongest power for the right handed individual, comes from the right side, as the left side stabilizes and retains posture, for the needed power to be supplied, to the extent the individual wishes. These same principles apply in kind to the opposing handed person.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Tiannia on May 13th, 2004, 4:56pm
There are any number of connections that can be made from one part of the brain tot he other. But I seriously doubt that there is a connection between the Hypothalmus and Dyslexia ( or some other mis wiring between the eye and the mind )
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 4:56pm
Now, if someone were to teach a normally left handed child, without realizing that child was left handed, the teacher or parent, would be confusing normal body mechanics, and creating instibility in balance, form, and power, causing the child to be forever off balance, seemingly uncoordinated and a loss of physical strength as well.

Some of the consequences from this situation will undoubtedly lead to differing emotional stresses thruout the childs lifetime.

I once stumbled onto a person speaking on cluster headaches and they said the medical community did not understand what was causing them either.When considering what I believe, I think it possible that cluster headaches could bear a connection to dyslexia.

The study I would suggest to help prove or disprove a link to cluster headaches and what I present on Dyslexia, is to question all the affected persons within those families, to see if there were both right and left handed lineages.

Right and left handed lineages may alternate with each new generation, or possibly skip several generations and then, suddenly appear.

One of the first things to test for each child born, when they first start grasping, is to make special notice of which hand the child normally starts to grasp with and closely observe over time in pursuit of their naturally dominate instints.

Only mothers will know if what I present below, with dyslexic children, happened to them.

Annonamous sends this within his email from the Dyslex association.

"Bunches of cells beneath the surface of the brain have been detected which lie on the surface in the brain of a non-dyslexic person. These groups of cells ought to have moved to the brain's surface at the time when the brain was developing in the fetus, but failed to make the journey."
In response to the above posed by annonamous from the dyslexic association, I offer this. I am naturally right handed. My favorite side of the body to sleep on is my left side. If my theory is correct, left handed people should favor sleeping on their right side.

Scientists may not have considered that since we have a favored side of the brain and body, we all may need to sleep on a certain side of the body more when we are in the womb, so that those cells migrate from under the brain, to the top of the brain, as are seen in normal children, but where dyslexic children with severe problems do not have those cells on top of the brain, but rather they still reside underneath the brain. I believe these cells have alot to do with many systems working correctly within the body, such as balance, muscle coordination, and balance within the two sides of the brain, which will also affect eyesight, if I am correct. These problems will possible cause cluster headaches, which scientists don't understand.

It is just possible, that if what I say is true above and we have that dominate side in sleep, it may be possible that in some cases, if the right handed mother sleeps on the opposing side as the fetus, it could possibly cause the mother a lot of restless nights due to the baby moving and kicking, while she tries to force herself to sleep on her natural side, which will stop those cells from rising to the top of the brain, because the cells that start out under the brain for a right and left handed child are on opposing sides. So, If the fetus does not sleep on the correct side enough, those cells probably won't rise to the top of the brain as they should.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by floridian on May 13th, 2004, 4:56pm
Well,  maybe...   A scan of the literature didn't show much of a connection between the hypothalamus (central to cluster headaches) and dyslexia (usually associated with the brain cortex and possibly the cerebellum).  One article that was interesting found a link between dyslexia and low magnesium and ubiquinone (CoQ10).  Magnesium has been shown to help with clusters, and there are some suggestions that CoQ10 may also be of use.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 4:57pm
I would suggest if a mother has a lot of restless nites, that she switch her normal sleeping side, and see if that helps, if one of the parents is right handed and the other parent is left handed.

It is possible that some mothers naturally sleep on their opposing side when the child is so restless and dislexia was avoided, because the child in the womb had enough time in the proper fetal position, so that like a cup filled with air, that is underneath water, the air bubbles rise to the surface and when considering  the cells that start out underneath a childs brain as a fetus, those cells rise to the top of the brain, if enough time is allowed , by a mother who sleeps on her opposing natural side, if the mother and father are opposing handed and the fetus is opposing handed from the mother.
Mothers  who are Dyslexic, may or may not tend to sleep on the right or wrong side, depending and if THEY have a baby, the confusion set up by the mothers own sleep may intensify within the next generation, if she sleeps on the wrong side, depending.
It would be nice to know if the cells spoken of can migrate partially, or wheather they always remain either fully under, or fully on top. Can these cells move to the edge?
Are these cells on opposing sides of the brain, in right and lefthanded children?
There is so much more I would like to discuss with people who have dyslexia and their children, as well as families who have both a mother and father who are opposing handed.
This is but theory.

TEST--TEST--TEST
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 5:03pm
How many people who suffer from cluster headaches have had a brain scan, to see the amount and configuration of connections within the brain and had that matched to say someone who does not suffer from cluster headaches?

Addendum above, included.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Woobie on May 13th, 2004, 5:41pm

on 05/13/04 at 16:51:46, Boy_Scout wrote:
I would add, that there are many that suffer from milder forms of dyslexia, but I also believe, that dyslexia, like cluster headaches go from mild to severe..



Um.............. I dont think there is a MILD form of clusters, is there??????????
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 5:42pm
My apologies, I do not have it, so I could not know.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 5:48pm
While it is probable that many of you know, I would add, that people who suffer from this disorder, replicate these headaches, because of not only the stresses set up that cause the headaches, but the worry of having to take time off while work piles up.

My apologies if I am out of line when I am wrong or incorrect. I mean only to help.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Charlie on May 13th, 2004, 5:49pm
We did a poll on Ambidextrous clusterheads once. I am to some degree. I forgot the conclusion. I know this isn't dyslexia.

I do know that I and a lot of us have better than average hearing.

Interesting thread.

Charlie
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by cathy on May 13th, 2004, 5:50pm
Apology accepted, as you don't know let me tell you THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MILD CLUSTERHEADACHES apart from that let me add, we often get complete fruit boxes here among us, fortunatley for you we won't hold it against you im sure if you stick around long enough someone will point you in the fruit box direction...in the meantime hi and goodbye....
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 5:53pm

on 05/13/04 at 17:49:37, Charlie wrote:
We did a poll on Ambidextrous clusterheads once. I am to some degree. I forgot the conclusion. I know this isn't dyslexia.

I do know that I and a lot of us have better than average hearing.

Interesting thread.

Charlie


How about eye sight Charlie? How many of you have or need glasses and at what age did each need them. How much is eye strain mentioned.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by cathy on May 13th, 2004, 5:54pm
......hey Boy_Scout there is one thing that dyslexics and clusterheads have in common ....a hole in their backsides thought i'd share that with you,  so you can add it to your notes....
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 5:55pm

on 05/13/04 at 17:50:31, cathy wrote:
Apology accepted, as you don't know let me tell you THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MILD CLUSTERHEADACHES apart from that let me add, we often get complete fruit boxes here among us, fortunatley for you we won't hold it against you im sure if you stick around long enough someone will point you in the fruit box direction...in the meantime hi and goodbye....


Thank you for your assesment, but I have found, that sometimes, a totally unrelated subject can help others to think about things in a slightly different manner and that this can help.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Charlie on May 13th, 2004, 5:57pm
I developed near-sightedness in my mid 40s. Pretty ordinary. At 45, 13 years ago, my CH disappeared. I'm also an epileptic which I'm certain has no relationship to the headaches other than: How about one effen thing at at time?!

Charlie
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by thomas on May 13th, 2004, 6:00pm
20/15 left eye, 20/20 right eye.  Sniper material, baby. ;)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:02pm
Don't epileptics have different, or too many connections in the brain Charlie and if cluster headaches are the result of too many or improper connections within the brain, along with concentration at some of its highest levels, won't the eyes and that strain probably create the headaches?
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:03pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:00:54, thomas wrote:
20/15 left eye, 20/20 right eye.  Sniper material, baby. ;)


Thank you sir, that is quite interresting, but do your eyes ever bother you in any way?
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by BlueMeanie on May 13th, 2004, 6:03pm
I know you mean well Boy Scout, but I believe most of us who have had CH's for 20+ years have already did the scans, eyes, etc. We have also did all the left hand right hand surveys. Maybe one day you may find some sort of relationship between Clusters & whatever the  f..k causes them. Good luck to ya.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by thomas on May 13th, 2004, 6:04pm
yes, i get what i call "twitchy eye"  I have horner's syndrome also.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:08pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:03:45, BlueMeanie wrote:
I know you mean well Boy Scout, but I believe most of us who have had CH's for 20+ years have already did the scans, eyes, etc. We have also did all the left hand right hand surveys. Maybe one day you may find some sort of relationship between Clusters & whatever the  f..k causes them. Good luck to ya.


Thank you. I do wish to help and if nothing more, I will give you and others, somethings to think about.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:13pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:04:18, thomas wrote:
yes, i get what i call "twitchy eye"  I have horner's syndrome also.


If you wouldn't mind Charlie, please explain Homers syndrome. I can also see your pain Charlie. Thanks for your honesty. I believe I have been given a gift in this life as we all have and I only wish to help. My gift comes from being able to take information from many places and put it all together. While my gift may not help, it your arena, I will give you some new things to consider.

Thank you for putting up with my intrusion.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Charlie on May 13th, 2004, 6:15pm
I developed epilepsy at 13. Dad had it too but I'm not 100% sure that it is a factor. My CH showed up at 23 and disappeared at 45. Dad never had it. I know of only one CHer here for sure that had it and that was the motorcycle guy in England.

It seems every epileptic is different and it usually changes a bit. Today, I don't fall but I become an even bigger idiot for a few minutes, often walk away from what I'm doing, sit down and about 20 minutes later realize why.  I wander around grocery stores not really aware of stuff. I can feel no pain at all (dangerous) but now and then think I'm getting electric shocks in my leg. I get very very sick to my stomach....not real of course....in the first few seconds of the attack as do most of us. It always begins in abdomen.

Sorry I got carried away.....So far as I understand. epilepsy is like a massive overload or a short circuit. After one of my stronger attacks, I'm often good for up to two weeks with no glitches at all.

CH is a different matter. It can sometimes be dealt with as a circulatory problem because it has that component. Here is my site on this:

http://www.netsync.net/~charlies/

Writing needs work though.

Charlie
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:28pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:15:31, Charlie wrote:
I developed epilepsy at 13. Dad had it too but I'm not 100% sure that it is a factor. My CH showed up at 23 and disappeared at 45. Dad never had it. I know of only one CHer here for sure that had it and that was the motorcycle guy in England.

It seems every epileptic is different and it usually changes a bit. Today, I don't fall but I become an even bigger idiot for a few minutes, often walk away from what I'm doing, sit down and about 20 minutes later realize why.  I wander around grocery stores not really aware of stuff. I can feel no pain at all (dangerous) but now and then think I'm getting electric shocks in my leg. I get very very sick to my stomach....not real of course....in the first few seconds of the attack as do most of us. It always begins in abdomen.

Sorry I got carried away.....So far as I understand. epilepsy is like a massive overload or a short circuit. After one of my stronger attacks, I'm often good for up to two weeks with no glitches at all.

CH is a different matter. It can sometimes be dealt with as a circulatory problem because it has that component. Here is my site on this:

http://www.netsync.net/~charlies/

Writing needs work though.

Charlie


Have you compared the designs of your eyes to that of your dad and mom and do your eyes look like your dad or moms?

As your clusters started in puberty and disappeared at the time your eyes changed, it probably shows cause and effect of the eyes, but much more needs to be studied by as many as possible, but thank you Charlie, you are giving me much to work with.

Charlie, if you would, the next time you feel the tingling, (if you have time), please sit down immediately and cover your eyes. I know this will look a bit strange, but if possible, it may create a difference.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by miapet on May 13th, 2004, 6:33pm
Well, since I have done some neuro-psych studies . .and work with special populations, I have some comments on this thread.

First, 100% of the population has some form of neuro-disfunction . . .some are hit much harder than others with the amount/type of disfunction.

Second:  Boyscout . . I'm not sure how old 'shugie' was when you noticed that she wrote some letters backwards, but it's very common (and expected) for children to write some letters backwards.  If, as their alphabetic awareness grows, they don't  outgrow this problem, they are referred for testing.  It's a stage.

Third:  If anyone wants to know if they are prone to being dyslexic, you can request a FMRI (functional mri).  An FMRI is a noninvasive MRI that is used to study the brain as it is working.  It maps the location within the brain for phonolgical processing, word meaning, and letter identification.  Non-dyslexic readers use the front and back of their brain for phonolgical processing, while dyslexics over use the front part of their brain.  FMRI is actually a great way to identify dyslexics.

Fourth:  Since a malformed hypothalmus appears to be the root cause of clusterheadaches . . and it's not in the frontal lobe . .it is highly doubtful that there is a relationship between dyslexia and clusterheadaches.

Hope this clears up the dyslexic issues

*positive light and energy*
miapet
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:35pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:28:54, vig wrote:
my brother is dyslexic, no headaches
I have clusters, and no dyslexia.

(psst, it's Horner's syndrome, not Homer's syndrome, Doh!)

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000708.htm


Ahh, thank you for the correction and the link. I will visit that site soon.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:36pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:28:54, vig wrote:
my brother is dyslexic, no headaches
I have clusters, and no dyslexia.

(psst, it's Horner's syndrome, not Homer's syndrome, Doh!)

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000708.htm


Have you gone back in your lineage and studied your ancestors in detail, even just one or two generations back and can you get pictures?
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:47pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:33:01, miapet wrote:
Well, since I have done some neuro-psych studies . .and work with special populations, I have some comments on this thread.

First, 100% of the population has some form of neuro-disfunction . . .some are hit much harder than others with the amount/type of disfunction.

Second:  Boyscout . . I'm not sure how old 'shugie' was when you noticed that she wrote some letters backwards, but it's very common (and expected) for children to write some letters backwards.  If, as their alphabetic awareness grows, they don't  outgrow this problem, they are referred for testing.  It's a stage.

Third:  If anyone wants to know if they are prone to being dyslexic, you can request a FMRI (functional mri).  An FMRI is a noninvasive MRI that is used to study the brain as it is working.  It maps the location within the brain for phonolgical processing, word meaning, and letter identification.  Non-dyslexic readers use the front and back of their brain for phonolgical processing, while dyslexics over use the front part of their brain.  FMRI is actually a great way to identify dyslexics.

Fourth:  Since a malformed hypothalmus appears to be the root cause of clusterheadaches . . and it's not in the frontal lobe . .it is highly doubtful that there is a relationship between dyslexia and clusterheadaches.

Hope this clears up the dyslexic issues

*positive light and energy*
miapet


Shugie was 4 at the time, but not only did she write with her right hand and wrote some letters backwards, she turned the paper as a lefty would.

In your third paragraph, you speak of an fmri and one test. I would ask if physical stress tests are done as well? I would also ask, if cells that start out underneath the brain can be read on the scan and to what degree those cells rise in each individual.

As to your fourth observation, I would ask if a scan is done under physical stress and mapped as well.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Charlie on May 13th, 2004, 6:47pm

Quote:
Charlie, if you would, the next time you feel the tingling, (if you have time), please sit down immediately and cover your eyes. I know this will look a bit strange, but if possible, it may create a difference.


Wish that were possible but when the tingle begins, I have zero ability to do anything like that. People have tried to help me before. I in effect....have no brain to use. Rats.  

All I can tell you is that both mom and dad had blue eyes and that dad was near-sighted. I have blue as well. Swedes. I'm 6' 2" and dad was 6'3". Mom was 5'2'. Lots of CHers are tall but it's not conclusive that it's a factor. I quit smoking 24 years ago. My Ch ended 13 years ago.

I also have big feet and big hands. You know what that means of course.............big shoes and big gloves.... :o

Charlie


Charlie
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:55pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:41:02, vig wrote:
No history of either condition dating back at least 3 generations.
My brother's condition was thought to be related to difficulty in childbirth.


What did your dad and mom do for work, as well as your ancestors? Are there any cases of people opposing handed or with epilepsy in your lineage. I believe it likely that many traits in everyones lineage can skip one or more generations.

Thanks
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 6:58pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:47:48, Charlie wrote:
Wish that were possible but when the tingle begins, I have zero ability to do anything like that. People have tried to help me before. I in effect....have no brain to use. Rats.  

All I can tell you is that both mom and dad had blue eyes and that dad was near-sighted. I have blue as well. Swedes. I'm 6' 2" and dad was 6'3". Mom was 5'2'. Lots of CHers are tall but it's not conclusive that it's a factor. I quit smoking 24 years ago. My Ch ended 13 years ago.

I also have big feet and big hands. You know what that means of course.............big shoes and big gloves.... :o

Charlie


Charlie


Charlie, have you ever kept track of your episodes with epilepsy and have you backtracked all you can remember from the toime of the episodes to find possible triggers? Much, if not all may be caused by what you see. If you kept an hourly log, or even a daily log, it would probably help Charlie.

Big shoes and gloves. LOL
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 7:02pm

on 05/13/04 at 18:57:19, vig wrote:
"What did your dad and mom do for work, as well as your ancestors? "

now you're just grasping at straws.


I can only tell you Vig that a person who not only observes, but practices the smallest of details and does things for the right reasons in the correct manner, has a chance of doing things right, the very first time and even then, it is never assured as my spelling and punctuation reveal.

                         

No detail is too small Vig
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by miapet on May 13th, 2004, 7:10pm
An FMRI is very similar to an MRI . . .it 'slices' through soft tissue to 'see' underlying causes (damage, injury etc), so, I would say yes, it shows cells 'under' the brain.  I'm not sure what other test you mean.  I only was speaking of an FMRI.  The brain is being used at the time the FMRI is done, so the person is reading etc.  As for stressful times . . .the front and back of the brain is used by non dyslexics . .stress or no stress . . .those are the parts used.

I am unsure of how testing is done on the hypothalmus . . .there are many posts on this site which reference malformed hypothalus as appearing to be causal.  To date, as far as I know, malformities of the hypothalmus are not causal to learning disabilities (including dyslexia).  My clusterheadache experience comes from personal research and living with a clusterhead.

How old is 'shugie' now?  And have you had her tested?  Have any of her teachers suggested doing a referral for testing?  The way a person positions their paper and the sometimes writing letters backwards aren't, in themselves, reason to diagnosis any disorder, not if the person is young.  AND, even in older people, the position of the paper is not reason either.  Habits are created.  Sometimes it's the way they see it being done.  Sometimes it's the way the paper is sitting on the table and they don't move it (in younger children).  AND, some learning disabilities cause people to write letters backwards .. .b, d, p, q, g are very common letters to confuse . . .and if the 'filing system' in the brain (actually retrieval system) is where the disfunction is, it can be tricky getting them past this.  ALTHOUGH, I repeat, it is very common and expected (I would be shocked at a child who never did it, at least in the beginning of their writing experiences) to a certain degree and for the first stages of learning/writing.  Generally, only severe cases are diagnosed early.
EDIT:  the stated letters are not the only letters that are confused or written backwards .. .they are just really common ones for kids to confuse.
*positive light and energy*
miapet
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Redd715 on May 13th, 2004, 7:12pm
Um...

Jim?  You wouldn't just happen to be a mechanic would you?  


Something about these ramblings rings way too familiar.  
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Charlie on May 13th, 2004, 7:21pm
Yeah. I kept lots of logs. No rhyme nor reason nor any triggers. Seven neurologists, countless tests, no focal seizures. My hearing is above average but then so are a number of epileptics. It's fairly common to us. Wish it were my eyes rather than ears. Ya never get a break.

They used to call mine petit mal but I had a nurse friend who called them "aborted grand mal." To me, that is perfect. Drugs keep them down a bit.  Today they call petit mal: "complex partial seizures." Sucks as a description to me.

Charlie
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by jonny on May 13th, 2004, 7:50pm
The pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a
rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dessn't mittaer in waht oredr
the ltteers in a word are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is tshat the
frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe. Amzanig huh

Danm am I goad ;;D

.................................jonoy ;;D
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by miapet on May 13th, 2004, 7:53pm
hhahhaahha you're better than good ... you rock *L*
mia
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Prense on May 13th, 2004, 7:54pm
As off the wall as this thread may seem, it has made for some interesting reason.

I have never shown any signs of dyslexia.  My eyesight is 20/15 (both eyes) as chart tested during an attack at an ER.

I would highly doubt that eye strain, dyslexia, tobacco, alcohol, etc. are related factors for CH sufferers.  However, other than a deformed hypothalamus, no one knows why we all suffer.  I believe it is a genetic predisposition along with environmental factor(s)... So, who the hell knows.

Chris
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Aussie on May 13th, 2004, 8:08pm
Very interesting thread !!!

I am right handed yet left footed, not dyslexic, just a little twisted, so I am told.
Some people also say that I'm superficial, but that's just on the surface.

Do you think that this might be the cause of the CH's or the fact that living down under causes too much blood to run to the head??

Crikey!! Dyslexia and HC's, - I can't see any connection.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 8:55pm

on 05/13/04 at 19:12:23, Redd715 wrote:
Um...

Jim?  You wouldn't just happen to be a mechanic would you?  


Something about these ramblings rings way too familiar.  


If you believe them to be just ramblings, maybe you can help to show how so I don't ramble so much. :)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by jonny on May 13th, 2004, 9:02pm

on 05/13/04 at 19:50:15, jonny wrote:
The pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a
rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dessn't mittaer in waht oredr
the ltteers in a word are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is tshat the
frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe. Amzanig huh

Danm am I goad ;;D

.................................jonoy ;;D


No comment on this?
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 9:08pm

on 05/13/04 at 19:21:55, Charlie wrote:
Yeah. I kept lots of logs. No rhyme nor reason nor any triggers. Seven neurologists, countless tests, no focal seizures. My hearing is above average but then so are a number of epileptics. It's fairly common to us. Wish it were my eyes rather than ears. Ya never get a break.

They used to call mine petit mal but I had a nurse friend who called them "aborted grand mal." To me, that is perfect. Drugs keep them down a bit.  Today they call petit mal: "complex partial seizures." Sucks as a description to me.

Charlie


From what I am hearing, it is possible, that it is the amount of connections, which may be sight specific, if not for the hypothalmus

I have always said that it is in the smallest of details. If it is because of the amount of connections and or site specific, IE: The frontal lobe or hypothalmus, there seems little that can be done at this time, short of possible lazer surgery, but I believe that to be a long way off and it may not just be, in too many connections, but possibly cross configuration of the connections, within one or more sections of the brain.

Charlie, have you tried to wear sun glasses as much as possible?

What kind of work do you do Charlie?
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Melissa on May 13th, 2004, 9:14pm
Nearsighted since age 8.  Always had excellent hearing and sense of smell.  I can smell if hubbys had 1 can of beer after 5 hours have passed, 3 teethbrushings, mouthwash and a can of soda. ;;D

:)mel
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by jonny on May 13th, 2004, 9:14pm

on 05/13/04 at 19:50:15, jonny wrote:
The pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a
rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dessn't mittaer in waht oredr
the ltteers in a word are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is tshat the
frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe. Amzanig huh

Danm am I goad ;;D

.................................jonoy ;;D


Ok, seeing that you wont comment on this post above could you please enlighten us on the "Connections: you keep talking about in this picture im providing below?


http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3db29b3127cce9799793c4e800000001610

..............................jonny
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 9:17pm

on 05/13/04 at 19:24:13, vig wrote:
... and are you a doctor or a scientist?

"....in the correct manner"
whose definition of correct manner are you using?
What do you do for a living?


Nope, neither. I was subject to medicine in many forms and the common sense teaching of such from the time I was, well, as long as I can remember and if I am putting forth what seems to be ignorant thinking, please show me where and I will correct it. If what I do is more important than giving you and others things to consider, after I have told you I am no doctor or scientist, does it matter? Don't most of you ask each other questions and give answers? I know you are sufferers and I am not, but I think I've heard others here are not suferrers, yet they speak, correct?

Thank you
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 9:22pm

on 05/13/04 at 19:50:15, jonny wrote:
The pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a
rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dessn't mittaer in waht oredr
the ltteers in a word are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is tshat the
frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe. Amzanig huh

Danm am I goad ;;D

.................................jonoy ;;D



WOW, now that is sharp. I had very little trouble reading that and as I don't correct people for their spelling errors on any board, because I believe it is in the intent of the persons words, this surely is a winning post.

Thanks Jonoy D
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Aussie on May 13th, 2004, 9:26pm
Thanks for the pic of my ex wife Johny,

Seriously, I have know worked out the connection between Dyslexia and CH's thanks to this pic. If you cast your eye to no's 11 , 22 and 33 it is quite apparent that they have been written down back to front ie. they should read 11 , 22 and 33.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 9:29pm

on 05/13/04 at 21:14:26, Melissa wrote:
Nearsighted since age 8.  Always had excellent hearing and sense of smell.  I can smell if hubbys had 1 can of beer after 5 hours have passed, 3 teethbrushings, mouthwash and a can of soda. ;;D

:)mel


Thank you Melissa. What you write helps to show me that the possibility of even extra connections to different parts of the brain MAY be another possibility, or that connections that should have gone to one place could have made an extra connection elsewhere. This is part of what I mean when I say cross connections or overloaded connecting points. Of course, at this point, it is simply conjecture.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Redd715 on May 13th, 2004, 9:40pm

on 05/13/04 at 20:55:23, Boy_Scout wrote:
If you believe them to be just ramblings, maybe you can help to show how so I don't ramble so much. :)


If you had done any research on the recent studies regarding CH and the medical finding contained within you would understand why your theory has so many holes it's a seive.  Now go back and do your studies before you come with half backed theories.  Look into function of the hypothalamus and connection it has to the manifestation to when attacks occure for a sufferer.  Then come back and tell us how it still has anything to do with a learning dyslexia.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 9:44pm
[quote author=jonny link=board=general;num=1084480702;start=50#54 date=05/13/04 at 21:14:56]

Ok, seeing that you wont comment on this post above could you please enlighten us on the "Connections: you keep talking about in this picture im providing below?

No jonoy, I cannot, it is not nearly detailed enough and as I do not have the MRIs of people with dyslexia, epilepsy, CH, and what most would consider normal brain connections and an understanding of all the regions of the brain, there is little for me to go on, but, I do have what each of you is willing to tell me and already, I am of the opinion, that not only the amount of brain connections could be important, but the possibility that cross connections and even overloaded connections to one or more site is a POSSIBILITY.

Narrowing it down takes much time and alot of people willing to give me the tiniest of detail, because the more we all have to work with, the more we can all input.

I am very good at putting the pieces of the puzzle together IF it is possible and I am willing to spend the time, but only if you people are willing to help.

Read dyslexia very closely and if that is not good thinking, then you should not listen to me, because it would be a waste of your time, but hey, maybe others would like to participate. Ya just never know when someone might stumble on something for this and maybe something totally unrelated that could help people who suffer from something else.

I would hope you would participate though.

At the moment, there is no where near enough input from the amount of people needed, along with each persons maladies. It is imperative, that if a person has more than one condition, that they either make it known here in the open, or email me if they are uncomfortable saying it here.

Just call me the puzzlemaster.

Jim
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Little Deb on May 13th, 2004, 9:45pm
Interesting thread.

Thanks for your interest Boy Scout.

I have always had perfect vision, still at age 40 not too bad.  No glasses.  I have always had excellent sense of smell (with you Mel), and great hearing.  I am right handed, but eat with left and can write with left if I need to.  My right hand writing sucks.  I am totally uncoordinated in most things.  I have had CH for 23 years, episodic.  CH is on the left side of my head.  I prefer to sleep on my right side.  I prefer to eat my food on the right. (chew)  My son seems to want to be left handed at 5.  My daughter at 3 seems right.  My son writes his letters backwards and has recently been diagnosed on the Autism spectrum.


Read your post with ease jonny!  Good one!


Best of luck on your ventures Boy Scout.


Big Hugs...Little Deb
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by jonny on May 13th, 2004, 9:46pm

on 05/13/04 at 21:22:36, Boy_Scout wrote:
WOW, now that is sharp. I had very little trouble reading that and as I don't correct people for their spelling errors on any board, because I believe it is in the intent of the persons words, this surely is a winning post.

Thanks Jonoy D


Wheres the connections?.....Please tell us!!


.....................................jonny
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by bobkip on May 13th, 2004, 9:47pm
WTF, all my life I've been fighting the beast and  all it would take is  a visit from my electrician to get my "connections" in my brain rewired.
Kip
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 9:47pm

on 05/13/04 at 21:26:44, Aussie wrote:
Thanks for the pic of my ex wife Johny,

Seriously, I have know worked out the connection between Dyslexia and CH's thanks to this pic. If you cast your eye to no's 11 , 22 and 33 it is quite apparent that they have been written down back to front ie. they should read 11 , 22 and 33.

Thanks again.


Thanks for the pic of my ex wife Johny,

You've been down under too long mate.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 9:55pm

on 05/13/04 at 21:40:13, Redd715 wrote:
If you had done any research on the recent studies regarding CH and the medical finding contained within you would understand why your theory has so many holes it's a seive.  Now go back and do your studies before you come with half backed theories.  Look into function of the hypothalamus and connection it has to the manifestation to when attacks occure for a sufferer.  Then come back and tell us how it still has anything to do with a learning dyslexia.


I believe little, I see or hear, even in medicine. I have written on heat stress and stroke for football players and how to defray the effects and with what I wrote, someone changed the way I presented the use of water and made a quick connect for airconditioning to be blown into football players shoulder pads.

I also wrote a piece on how disease travels during the SARS outbreak, along with other common sense medicine. If you'd like I can post those pieces for you.

No one to date wrote about dyslexia in the ways I have and no one put forth the explanations for the cells that are under the brain in the womb and how we all have a preferred sleeping side and how and why those cells may or may not rise.

So, would you rather I concentrate on this, in an effort to help sufferers here or keep answering your questions?
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 10:10pm

on 05/13/04 at 21:45:37, Little Deb wrote:
Interesting thread.

Thanks for your interest Boy Scout.

I have always had perfect vision, still at age 40 not too bad.  No glasses.  I have always had excellent sense of smell (with you Mel), and great hearing.  I am right handed, but eat with left and can write with left if I need to.  My right hand writing sucks.  I am totally uncoordinated in most things.  I have had CH for 23 years, episodic.  CH is on the left side of my head.  I prefer to sleep on my right side.  I prefer to eat my food on the right. (chew)  My son seems to want to be left handed at 5.  My daughter at 3 seems right.  My son writes his letters backwards and has recently been diagnosed on the Autism spectrum.


Read your post with ease jonny!  Good one!


Best of luck on your ventures Boy Scout.


Big Hugs...Little Deb


Your comprehension level is high Deb. What kind of work do you do and if I were you, I would buy a balance beam and practice balancing on your left and right foot and as you do this, write down all that you feel. It seems as if you could have dyslexia in one of the mild to medium forms, but this is speculation. However, have you been checked for dyslexia? I believe that a loss of balance and power is part of the effects of dyslexia.

Are you saying that the food that you chew, is chewed on the right side of the mouth exclusively?

Do you write better right or left handed?

What happens when you sleep on your left side?

Do you or your husband have anyone in your families that are right and left handed. I mean, like you are right handed and he or say his dad or your dad left handed.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Redd715 on May 13th, 2004, 10:11pm
If you aren't my ex boyfriend by God and Goddess you are his freaking clone.


Quote:
I believe little, I see or hear, even in medicine.



Quote:
I have told you I am no doctor or scientist, does it matter?


Yet you want us to believe you have the knowlege and ability to answer for us and possibly cure what the most skilled neuologists in the world cannot?  You and the ex BF Mechanic by day CH cure expert by night are both cut from the same bolt.....

Jonny may I borrow a boot?
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Aussie on May 13th, 2004, 10:15pm
I would be interested in finding out more about Air conditioned shoulder pads. Firstly it gets bloody hot here in Australia during the summer and think this could be developed into a new fashion trend.
If this could be further developed into an airconditioned hood, I would buy one immediately for when my CH's are belting me. Cold things placed on my thick scone seems to help a little.

Please keep writing about Dyslexia and CH's.

ps. Living Down Under doesn't have an adverse effect on people, it might if the world wasn't flat.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Little Deb on May 13th, 2004, 10:20pm
I'm with Aussie.  If you could give us an air conditioned helmet to put on while we are getting hit and banging our heads on the floor, you might have just hit your fortune!  That is a great idea.


thinking of helmet hair...Little Deb
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Melissa on May 13th, 2004, 10:20pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:15:32, Aussie wrote:
ps. Living Down Under doesn't have an adverse effect on people, it might if the world wasn't flat.


yes, but do the toilets really flush counter clockwise?

[smiley=bloos.gif]
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 10:23pm

on 05/13/04 at 19:50:15, jonny wrote:
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe. Amzanig huh

Danm am I goad ;;D

.................................jonoy ;;D


That was a real kick.  I was amazed I could read it about as fast as I would normally read.  That's something!

Puzzlemaster, you got pieces from different puzzles mixed in your box with a lot of them missing.  The whole picture is not going to come about.  Check out books by Simon Baron-Cohen, coincidentally from Cambridge too.

 You are leaving yourself wide open to the Sacrosanct scientific philosophy which holds that no theory can ever be proved.  A theory can only be disproved, and the longer it survives attacks against it, the more confidence you can place in it--while never knowing for certain if it is right.
 Darwin believed that when people argue about ideas--"views,"--all the arguments have to be based on the available "facts."  If one of the facts is wrong, the whole edifice can crumble--taking all the ideas with it.  I am seeing only ideas, your box of pieces only has very low co-relation facts, with much ascertation missing.

Kevin M
 
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 10:25pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:11:14, Redd715 wrote:
If you aren't my ex boyfriend by God and Goddess you are his freaking clone.



Yet you want us to believe you have the knowlege and ability to answer for us and possibly cure what the most skilled neuologists in the world cannot?  You and the ex BF Mechanic by day CH cure expert by night are both cut from the same bolt.....

Jonny may I borrow a boot?


Let me ask you a question, Have I given you anything new to think about? If not, maybe I can provide you with a laugh from time to time. Laughter can be some of the best medicine.

If I'm nuts, hey, at least it's not boring. :)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Redd715 on May 13th, 2004, 10:30pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:25:27, Boy_Scout wrote:
Let me ask you a question, Have I given you anything new to think about? If not, maybe I can provide you with a laugh from time to time. Laughter can be some of the best medicine.

If I'm nuts, hey, at least it's not boring. :)


Yes you got me to thinking about a quote I once heard.  Cant remember by whom at the monent.

"A little knowlege can be a dangerous thing."
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 10:33pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:15:32, Aussie wrote:
I would be interested in finding out more about Air conditioned shoulder pads. Firstly it gets bloody hot here in Australia during the summer and think this could be developed into a new fashion trend.
If this could be further developed into an airconditioned hood, I would buy one immediately for when my CH's are belting me. Cold things placed on my thick scone seems to help a little.

Please keep writing about Dyslexia and CH's.

ps. Living Down Under doesn't have an adverse effect on people, it might if the world wasn't flat.


You have me considering a new tact Aussie. I wonder if putting someone in a much colder environment, say like a tent that is cold, that can be controlled in two ways, one with the amount and range of cold and the other, the amount of the body each person may want to have exposed to the cold, IE: FROM THE HEAD DOWN TO THE ABDOMEN OR MAYBE THE ENTIRE BODY.

The helmet may also be a good idea.

Thanks.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 10:36pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:23:22, Kevin_M wrote:
That was a real kick.  I was amazed I could read it about as fast as I would normally read.  That's something!

Puzzlemaster, you got pieces from different puzzles mixed in your box with a lot of them missing.  The whole picture is not going to come about.  Check out books by Simon Baron-Cohen, coincidentally from Cambridge too.

 You are leaving yourself wide open to the Sacrosanct scientific philosophy which holds that no theory can ever be proved.  A theory can only be disproved, and the longer it survives attacks against it, the more confidence you can place in it--while never knowing for certain if it is right.
 Darwin believed that when people argue about ideas--"views,"--all the arguments have to be based on the available "facts."  If one of the facts is wrong, the whole edifice can crumble--taking all the ideas with it.  I am seeing only ideas, your box of pieces only has very low co-relation facts, with much ascertation missing.

Kevin M
 


Thanks Kevin, but I have a saying and it goes like this,--Everything and everyone, depend on everything and everyone else. EDEE
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 10:37pm

on 05/13/04 at 21:55:06, Boy_Scout wrote:
no one put forth the explanations for the cells that are under the brain in the womb and how we all have a preferred sleeping side and how and why those cells may or may not rise.


Sorry there Scout, check out "The Essential Difference".
You'll find it all explained much better and how it pertains to development.

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Little Deb on May 13th, 2004, 10:39pm
Well, I still don't know how to do those green quote boxes......
Quote:
Your comprehension level is high Deb. What kind of work do you do and if I were you, I would buy a balance beam and practice balancing on your left and right foot and as you do this, write down all that you feel. It seems as if you could have dyslexia in one of the mild to medium forms, but this is speculation. However, have you been checked for dyslexia? I believe that a loss of balance and power is part of the effects of dyslexia.

Are you saying that the food that you chew, is chewed on the right side of the mouth exclusively?

Do you write better right or left handed?

What happens when you sleep on your left side?

Do you or your husband have anyone in your families that are right and left handed. I mean, like you are right handed and he or say his dad or your dad left handed.


I write a little better with the right..I have had years to practice.  Yes, I chew all my food on the right.  The left doesn't feel right, and is awkward.  Sleeping on the left side feels awkward also.  Family history is a mystery.  Everyone is long gone, and those I remember were right handed.  Same for the husband.

What do I do??  When I do it...I am a nurse.  Otherwise, just a very busy mom.

Oh, and for an added little bit...I believe I am right eye dominate when shooting a gun! ;;D

mmmm.....love the smell of gun powder....Little Deb
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 10:40pm


Quote:
Thanks Kevin, but I have a saying and it goes like this,--Everything and everyone, depend on everything and everyone else. EDEE


I like, it don't take all kinds, there just are.

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Little Deb on May 13th, 2004, 10:43pm
Ooh! Ooh!  I did the quote thingy!!!!

so excited!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is the little things that excite me.....Little Deb ;;D
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 10:46pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:37:07, Kevin_M wrote:
Sorry there Scout, check out "The Essential Difference".
You'll find it all explained much better and how it pertains to development.

Kevin M


If I enter,--The Essential Difference, into my brouser, will it take me where I need to go? I also wrote most that I speak of here over 2 years ago, at least on dyslexia and some doctors have used some of my work from England and it was on 60 minutes 11. One of the people on a board where I posted my material called my attention to the story on 60 minutes 11. As they only used part of what I wrote so they could make money and not all that I wrote, I was upset to say the least. I wrote how I believed that the cells that start out under the brain in the womb and rise to the top of the brain play an important role in balancing everything with the body and mind.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 10:51pm

Quote:
Let me ask you a question, Have I given you anything new to think about?

If not, maybe I can provide you with a laugh from time to time. Laughter can be some of the best medicine.

If I'm nuts, hey, at least it's not boring. :)


No, not really.

Yes, but it's the RESPONDANTS are funny!

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on May 13th, 2004, 10:56pm
I can't see a connection between dyslexia and the knowledge whether one or both of my grand-dads scrached their ass with the left or the right hand.


And what has all this to do with CH?  :o ::) :o ::)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 10:57pm

Quote:
If I enter,--The Essential Difference, into my brouser, will it take me where I need to go? I also wrote most that I speak of here over 2 years ago,

I wrote how I believed that the cells that start out under the brain in the womb and rise to the top of the brain play an important role in balancing everything with the body and mind.


Try walking to your nearest library, the work was done on which you speak years before.

And this you are linking to clusters how?

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 10:58pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:39:19, Little Deb wrote:
Well, I still don't know how to do those green quote boxes......

I write a little better with the right..I have had years to practice.  Yes, I chew all my food on the right.  The left doesn't feel right, and is awkward.  Sleeping on the left side feels awkward also.  Family history is a mystery.  Everyone is long gone, and those I remember were right handed.  Same for the husband.

What do I do??  When I do it...I am a nurse.  Otherwise, just a very busy mom.

Oh, and for an added little bit...I believe I am right eye dominate when shooting a gun! ;;D

mmmm.....love the smell of gun powder....Little Deb


Sounds like you need some more fiber in your diet Deb. Just kidding Deb.

I'll make a suggestion. As I wrote about us having a favored sleeping side and as you do not mention that it hurts to sleep on your left, you might want to try sleeping on that side, say for 3 weeks and see if it makes any difference, but you will likely find that you roll back over to the right. You might want to keep rolling back to the left and just keep trying.  It is possible that because of some things, you started out sleeping on the wrong side.

If I were you, I would practice as many forms of balance on both sides of your body as I could and I would suggest you get your children to do the same things.

As I wrote on balance, the doctors in England came out about 4 months ago on 60 minutes 11 and said very good strides were being made for dyslexics thru balance.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 11:00pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:57:39, Kevin_M wrote:
Try walking to your nearest library, the work was done on which you speak years before.

And this you are linking to clusters how?

Kevin M




No Kevin, I went to quite a few web sites after I was challenged and my information was not there at the time. They may have added it, but it was not there before.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 11:07pm

Quote:
Of course, at this point, it is simply conjecture.


Really?  I didn't catch that.  ::)

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 11:10pm

on 05/13/04 at 23:07:54, Kevin_M wrote:
Really?  I didn't catch that.  ::)

Kevin M


Do you have anything good to offer, or do you just run around this board being negative.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 11:12pm



Quote:
No Kevin, I went to quite a few web sites after I was challenged and my information was not there at the time. They may have added it, but it was not there before.


Many small town libraries are linked up to county-wide accessability.  Any book can be ordered, if you know what to look for.

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Little Deb on May 13th, 2004, 11:20pm
Ok, then.
Time for me to go sleep on my right side, until my back aches so bad I have to sleep on my back for awhile.  And I believe, perhaps, I shall try sleeping on the right side of the bed, instead of the middle more balanced spot.  Maybe this will roll my connections over toward the middle of the bed, therefore rolling them to my left side, making my left hip not hurt, and creating a pleasant euphoric sensation down the center of my spine as the connections send sparks back and forth across it.  This in turn, should create a wave of electricity that shoots straight up to my brain, smacking my hypothalamus on the way, knocking the beast clear into oblivion, hence no cycle for me this year!

Oh!  And while I am thinking about it....do ya think it matters which side, left or right ovary, that the egg came from????  


all righty then....nite.....little deb 8)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 11:21pm

Quote:
Do you have anything good to offer,

or do you just run around this board being negative.


I read a lot of what you wrote and was going to ask you the same thing.  

I guess long stories in which Sleeping Beauty wakes up with a handful of beans and climbs a beanstalk is not quite the way I've read it.

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 11:29pm

on 05/13/04 at 23:20:41, Little Deb wrote:
Ok, then.
Time for me to go sleep on my right side, until my back aches so bad I have to sleep on my back for awhile.  And I believe, perhaps, I shall try sleeping on the right side of the bed, instead of the middle more balanced spot.  Maybe this will roll my connections over toward the middle of the bed, therefore rolling them to my left side, making my left hip not hurt, and creating a pleasant euphoric sensation down the center of my spine as the connections send sparks back and forth across it.  This in turn, should create a wave of electricity that shoots straight up to my brain, smacking my hypothalamus on the way, knocking the beast clear into oblivion, hence no cycle for me this year!

Oh!  And while I am thinking about it....do ya think it matters which side, left or right ovary, that the egg came from????  


all righty then....nite.....little deb 8)


I see. Well, you didn't mention that before, or else I missed it. My bad.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 13th, 2004, 11:32pm

on 05/13/04 at 23:21:13, Kevin_M wrote:
I read a lot of what you wrote and was going to ask you the same thing.  

I guess long stories in which Sleeping Beauty wakes up with a handful of beans and climbs a beanstalk is not quite the way I've read it.

Kevin M


Ok Kevin, why don't you start a thread and bring something new or different to the board.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Little Deb on May 13th, 2004, 11:43pm
Hey Boy Scout
Before I turn in...I was thinking...

I see you are in Northern FL.  Not too far for you to go to Nashville in July and experience meeting people with CH, and actually witness some attacks.  If you are serious about research and writing, that would be a great place for you to start.

We all grasp at straws looking for an answer and a cure.  And I think you are right, in that it will probably be some plain ole brainstorming that finally discovers the secret to this whole awful thing.


just a thought...Little Deb
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Kevin_M on May 13th, 2004, 11:44pm

Quote:
Ok Kevin, why don't you start a thread and bring something new or different to the board.


Geez, I'm not as good a story teller as you.  I couldn't conjecture up enough verbiage to substantiate how standing on our heads when we were kids could give you clusters.  As long as you are talking about left and right, we may as well talk about up and down too.  I still don't see your connection.  

Kevin M
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Little Deb on May 13th, 2004, 11:52pm
Well, Kevin, you have a point there.  How many of us DID hang upside down as children???  And how often??

When we are upside down, does it affect our circadium rhythym??  Does it stop our clocks temporarily??

I know I used to hang upside down when I was little.  No CH then.  But around 8th grade, wham!!  CH.  Maybe that was about the time I stopped hanging upside down???

Maybe we should all try that exercise machine thing that tilts you upside down.  If we do that everyday, maybe it would help us CH'rs with the CH's, and, it would help all of us who are suffering from chronic back pain.

See Kev, all this brainstorming made me think up this great idea!  And I wouldn't have thought of it unless you mentioned the upside down thing!!!!!

T for Teamwork!!!    Little Deb :D
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by UN_SOLVED on May 13th, 2004, 11:54pm
Never heard of anyone in my family on either side having dyslexia.

 [smiley=huh.gif] Unsolved / devlosnU  [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Boy_Scout on May 14th, 2004, 9:29am

on 05/13/04 at 23:52:39, Little Deb wrote:
Well, Kevin, you have a point there.  How many of us DID hang upside down as children???  And how often??

When we are upside down, does it affect our circadium rhythym??  Does it stop our clocks temporarily??

I know I used to hang upside down when I was little.  No CH then.  But around 8th grade, wham!!  CH.  Maybe that was about the time I stopped hanging upside down???

Maybe we should all try that exercise machine thing that tilts you upside down.  If we do that everyday, maybe it would help us CH'rs with the CH's, and, it would help all of us who are suffering from chronic back pain.

See Kev, all this brainstorming made me think up this great idea!  And I wouldn't have thought of it unless you mentioned the upside down thing!!!!!

T for Teamwork!!!    Little Deb :D


I have a chronic lung disease and don't know if I could even afford to go, but thanks for asking Deb.

Be well.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Gena on May 14th, 2004, 9:40am

on 05/13/04 at 23:52:39, Little Deb wrote:
Well, Kevin, you have a point there.  How many of us DID hang upside down as children???  And how often??

When we are upside down, does it affect our circadium rhythym??  Does it stop our clocks temporarily??

I know I used to hang upside down when I was little.  No CH then.  But around 8th grade, wham!!  CH.  Maybe that was about the time I stopped hanging upside down???

Maybe we should all try that exercise machine thing that tilts you upside down.  If we do that everyday, maybe it would help us CH'rs with the CH's, and, it would help all of us who are suffering from chronic back pain.

See Kev, all this brainstorming made me think up this great idea!  And I wouldn't have thought of it unless you mentioned the upside down thing!!!!!

T for Teamwork!!!    Little Deb :D


hay deb before meds and before I knew that I had CH, one doc had me standing on my head when the HAs hit :-/ Now that was painful  
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by BlueMeanie on May 14th, 2004, 6:28pm

on 05/14/04 at 18:26:33, BobG wrote:
I cannot believe this discussion, that has no connection to cluster headaches, has gone on for 4 pages.
[smiley=huh.gif] ::) [smiley=huh.gif]


LMAO. AGREE.
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on May 14th, 2004, 7:58pm
AMEN!!!! ::)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by jonny on May 14th, 2004, 8:15pm

on 05/13/04 at 22:11:14, Redd715 wrote:
Jonny may I borrow a boot?


Not a problem Baby, it may not fit so just pick it up and swing the fucker ;;D

Here!!


http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd03b3127cce95d0ab9e025a0000001610

................................jonny ;;D
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Redd715 on May 14th, 2004, 8:46pm

on 05/14/04 at 20:15:56, jonny wrote:
Not a problem Baby, it may not fit so just pick it up and swing the fucker ;;D

Here!!



Think if you hold him down and I bash the side of his head with that good for about an hour while you take one of these to his eyeball he might get a clue?

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4db35b3127ccebed69d5283d90000001610
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by jonny on May 14th, 2004, 8:53pm
Sure Babe.....Then I will bring out one of my big guns....hee hee hee

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d633b3127cce8cdf61d81c800000001610

This one is weighted very well ;;D

....................................jonny
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Redd715 on May 14th, 2004, 8:55pm
But the cobra blade adds such an elegant touch don'tcha think?....... ;)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by jonny on May 14th, 2004, 9:02pm
We have many roads to choose from.....LMAO ;;D

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4db35b3127ccebed6bd2883b30000001610

................................jonny
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by Redd715 on May 14th, 2004, 9:05pm
Ohhhhh, Baby I like that one...

the curved blade and the toothy edges...spun between the palms for an hour would pith the brain like a frog...

(evil grin)
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by miapet on May 14th, 2004, 10:26pm
Boyscout . . .I notice that you respond to, and ask more questions about things, such as:  handedness, sleep sides, vision etc . . .
BUT since I have given you the REAL information on dyslexia, the part of the brain effected . . and a very easy test to discover it (FMRI) .. .you no longer respond to me . . .you just keep blowing your own horn, as if you are an expert . . .I won't even go into how I read you.

The parts of the brain that are related to dyslexia and ch are not the same parts . . .so this hypothesis is inaccurate.

BUT, I believe the Sunday comics is supposed to have the cure for ch this weekend, and I need to make sure I read it.

I do want to thank everyone for their comments *G* . .. love the knives, daggers, and boots *L*

mia
Title: Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
Post by eyes_afire on May 16th, 2004, 1:59pm
http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/fsckhead.html


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