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(Message started by: Redd715 on May 12^th, 2004, 3:30pm)

Title: Video of Nick?
Post by Redd715 on May 12^th, 2004, 3:30pm

If someone has a direct link to the video...please my brother and I are trying to get to it, and can't seem to find it anyhwere. Have opened up about a dozen windows so far...

Thanks.....

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by thomas on May 12^th, 2004, 3:41pm

Sorry, I don't know where it is and have no interest whatsoever in seeing it.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by JDH on May 12^th, 2004, 3:41pm

I found it on Shareza (sp?).com last night. It's about a 5mb file.
By now it's probably on any of the file sharing services.
Warning though, it's VERY disturbing to watch.

Jim

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Redd715 on May 12^th, 2004, 3:52pm

I would imagine so Jim, I guess out of angers sake is the reason we are curious. The outrage over this needs to be larger than what I've heard about thus far.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Luke63 on May 12^th, 2004, 4:01pm

Any P2P program will have it.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by ckelly181 on May 12^th, 2004, 4:10pm

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/0504/newswire051104-beheading.htm

It's horrid. I'm ashamed that I watched it, I'll admit. At the same time, I needed to. Dunno.

But I saw this on the Daniel Pearl site, and it made sense to me:

There are times when no good purpose is served by publicizing a terrible image. The repeated broadcast of race car driver Dale Earnhardt's fatal crash last year was gratuitous. Nothing was gained by replaying, over and over, the beating of Rodney King.

But the beheading of Daniel Pearl is different. It conveys with a force no words can match the undiluted malignancy, the sheer evil, of the enemy we are fighting. Yes, it is a horror. Yes, it is barbaric. But we are at war with barbarians, and what they did to Pearl, they would gladly do to any one of us. This is no time to be covering our eyes

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by john123 on May 12^th, 2004, 5:23pm

I just looked at it and my day is officially ruined, I feel sick. Would it do any good to warn others with morbid curiosity such as myself against watching the video? It is truly horrible.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Tiannia on May 12^th, 2004, 5:42pm

JDH did so. He warned that it was horrible to watch.

But people are going to look no matter what you tell them, because it does not seem real. THat you are going to watch it and see that it is a fake. But it is not. I have no desire to see it. I KNOW that the few images that have been shown in the news is more then enough for me. In this country we are lulled to a sense of detatchment. Because it has never happeed here. But the time that I spent in Europe, taught me that because I knew a lot, I was far from knowing everything. I leaned what it was like to live int he fear of people watching you, following you, and knowing that they were always watching you. That made me a very different person when I returned. And for that I am very glad. Because Americans need to understand that just because it is not done "HERE" does not mean that it wont be or cant be. Each day that you have could be your last day, so have no regrets.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by purpleydog on May 12^th, 2004, 6:04pm

>:( :( :'( :'( [smiley=hurl.gif]
I have the website minimized right now on my screen. I am afraid to watch it. At the same time I want to see it. I know, I know....

God bless Nick's family

purpleydog

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by jonny on May 12^th, 2004, 6:06pm

I love this story!! ;;D

http://news.com.com/1200-1025-994369.html

................................jonny

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by thomas on May 12^th, 2004, 6:13pm

on 05/12/04 at 18:06:26, jonny wrote:

I love this story!! ;;D

http://news.com.com/1200-1025-994369.html

................................jonny

Kick A$$
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/p/2003/032703ustroops3.gif

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by echo on May 12^th, 2004, 6:14pm

Excellent!!!

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Lizzie2 on May 12^th, 2004, 6:17pm

Jonny,

Good one!!!

Lizz

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by HypnoticFreddy on May 12^th, 2004, 6:20pm

I have a strong stomach and haven't vomited since Nov, 1991, but after viewing that video I feel like I am going to throw-up. My day was somewhat ruined too.

I exercised after work which made me feel a little better, but that was horrific.

-Scott

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Lizzie2 on May 12^th, 2004, 6:25pm

OK...who was it that wants the official warning???

DON'T WATCH THE VIDEO

If you want good company of other people not watching it...I will not be watching it. Most of the time, I consider myself to be good company ;)

Seriously, they've been showing it on all our local Philadelphia channels, and I live right next to West Chester, PA. After they get to the part of the video where the guy pulls out the knife...well by that part I'm pretty much already looking away with tears because I can't stand it. I don't want to know anymore.

We already know from descriptions how ungodly horrific it must have been for Nick...

God speed to him.

Lizzie

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by purpleydog on May 12^th, 2004, 6:30pm

Excuse me while I puke my fucking guts out.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by pubgirl on May 12^th, 2004, 6:46pm

Excuse me for commenting but if I were Nick Berg's family I would be revolted beyond bearing by a bunch of strangers on a message board viewing the murder of my son and calling him "Nick" as if he were a friend of theirs.

The murder is vile, internet spectators make it more vile. >:(

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by jonny on May 12^th, 2004, 6:49pm

on 05/12/04 at 18:46:42, pubgirl wrote:

::)

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Redd715 on May 12^th, 2004, 6:49pm

I haven't had the nerve to watch it yet, but I did email the site for my brother to see when he gets home. He was on the bike and wanted to leave before the storms rolled in, but did take me on a nice long ride around Lake Du Bay while the sun was out and it was out and it was nice and warm. I don't think I will watch...I don't want to ruin what has been a great day...

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Sean_C on May 12^th, 2004, 7:02pm

Your right Wendy, I'm just pissed.......

PFDAN to all

Sean

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Cerberus on May 12^th, 2004, 7:21pm

I have it....and I haven't watched it.

I was in the middle of watching a nice baseball game when woobs came home from the store and sat here and watched the tape...(she can't help it she's curious and wanted to know what was going on) I heard the audio over the ballgame on TV and I was nauseous at the mere thought.

This is a culture we are at war with folks...fact is, many muslims agree with the act not necessarily in action but in principle. Those just mentioned are also regarded as animals in my opinion and should be treated as such. Heed this if nothing else...the hate crimes against muslims in the USA is about to rise sharply and a time is coming when if an American is approached overseas with the mere intent of injury.....there will be a body count.
Sad....but coming. >:( :'(

Ramon

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by JDH on May 12^th, 2004, 8:08pm

on 05/12/04 at 18:46:42, pubgirl wrote:

Sorry Wendy but most newscast that I've seen have refered to him as Nick Berg.

Quote:

The murder is vile, internet spectators make it more vile. >:(

Of course it's vile Wendy, I mean these guys put the "v" in vile but does NOT watching it make it any less vile?

You can't just close your eyes and make it go away.
hmmmmm...that sounds like something Bono might say.

Jim

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by pubgirl on May 12^th, 2004, 8:18pm

I ain't closing my eyes, I just ain't watching it. There's a difference.

also, I wasn't referring to the news talking about "Nick" as if they knew him, my reference was a bit closer to home. 8)

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Lizzie2 on May 12^th, 2004, 8:37pm

My mom did...does that count?

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by renny on May 12^th, 2004, 8:41pm

:( Oh Lizzie I just want to hug you right now. Guess I was wrong about the damn thing being pulled, that was incorrect info from my Dad, who purports to know everything....
Suffering along with you, girlfriend. Be strong for your Mom. [smiley=hug.gif] [smiley=hug.gif] [smiley=hug.gif]

This sux. :-/karen

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Lizzie2 on May 12^th, 2004, 8:48pm

Well I don't know if anyone reads the Philadelphia Inquirer except maybe the few of us who live around Philly. My mom's friend at work was interviewed and her pic was in the paper today. I haven't seen it yet, but Barb (mom's friend) is bringing the paper to work tomorrow for my mom to read. I think she was also asked to be interviewed by the New York Times. Not sure what happened with that though. Going to see if I can't access the Philly Inq article online.

Thanks Karen...hugs right back at you. :)

Lizzie

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Bob P on May 12^th, 2004, 8:49pm

If you watch this video......

I can't fathom how anyone could think that America's (America...the home of the free and the brave) war on terrorism is wrong. The pig fucking mongrels who committed this atrocisty do not deserve to live, by any God or profit's standard, God, Jehovah, Mohammed, Moses, etc. They are nothing more than a boil on humanitity's butt! People who slaughter innocents, hide behind women and children, and do it in the name of their god turn my stomach.

I just can't understand how anyone, anyone who lives in a free society like the western world, can say that we shouldn't be helping the world to be rid of this scum.

You can question the validity of this war, but I for one will agree with any President who believes it is our duty to rid the Earth of this kind of disgrace to humanity.

Watch this video! Ingraine it in your memory. Picture your son or daughter in this mans place! Recall it when your favorite politician starts spouting his or her mouth for political gain. Think about what is right for the world. What your god or your conscience says is right. Think about it! Remember it! Think about husbands and wifes, fathers and mothers, sons and daughters, jumping to their deaths from the towers. Don't let time lead you astray or numb your senses. Remember, remember, REMEMBER!

Do what is right! No matter what the cost! Now is the time! If we are not part of the solution, then what? Who is?

Now is the time. Don't be deterred. Stand behind the cause of humanity! Any government who knowingly harbours this kind of human scum should be on the list. Get rid of them or get ready to defend them!

Fuckeneh, my blood is boiling.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by jonny on May 12^th, 2004, 9:18pm

FUCKENEH, BOB!!!!!!

...........................................jonny

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Elaine on May 12^th, 2004, 9:20pm

Its so sad and so sick. I walked in on the news and saw just the part where they pulled the blade. It sicken me and its so beyond any thing I can understand. I don't understand that kind of hate, I don't want to. I look at my son and grandson and my daughters and it scards the hell out of me. God bless the men who are there for us and can fight for us. I see no respect for this man or his familys in watching it. I see no reason for it to be shown any where. If it was my son I would be screaming my head off and couldn't take it! I can't take it as it is and I don't even know the man.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by purpleydog on May 12^th, 2004, 9:39pm

on 05/12/04 at 20:49:22, Bob P wrote:

If you watch this video......

The pig fucking mongrels who committed this atrocisty do no deserve to live, by any God or profit's standard, God, Jehovah, Mohammed, Moses, etc. They are nothing more than a boil on humanitity's butt! People who slaughter innocents, hide behind women and children, and do it in the name of their god turn my stomach.

Those fuckers are brought up in a completely different way than anyone else in the civilized world. Beheading someone is a way of life. It means nothing to those A$$holes, including their wives and children. They are violent. We thought saddam was a torturer? All of these so-called it's- ok -to- kill muslims (if they're muslims then I'm fucking Mary Poppins) do the same fucking thing!

They need to learn the meaning of the word RESPECT.
m*th*rf**k**g buttwipes!

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by HypnoticFreddy on May 12^th, 2004, 9:58pm

What was done was atrocious and you wish the same upon their executers.....naturally.

But if we attacked Iraq would this event have happened?

-Scott

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by purpleydog on May 12^th, 2004, 10:12pm

on 05/12/04 at 21:58:52, HypnoticFreddy wrote:

But if we attacked Iraq would this event have happened?

-Scott

It's too late to worry about "what ifs" now, Freddy

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by ckelly181 on May 12^th, 2004, 10:14pm

on 05/12/04 at 21:58:52, HypnoticFreddy wrote:

But if we attacked Iraq would this event have happened?

It was happening. Maybe not to Americans, but to fellow human beings. Do you think this is the first time these savage, soulless f#ckers did this?

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Bob P on May 12^th, 2004, 10:16pm

Quote:

I don't want to. I look at my son and grandson and my daughters and it scards the hell out of me.

Elaine, of course it scares the hell out of you. It scares the hell out of anyone in their right mind. But if WE don't do something about it, we only leave it for our children!

If not us, who? Who will put and end to this crap? If not us, who?

Don't be swayed by the, "who are we to judge" crowd. Geez, as human beings it is OUR DUTY to end this. These people are not part of humanity. They are a anti-human. They have no place in this world.

Kadaffi got the message. Stay the course. Pay the price. It is the right thing to do.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by KingOfPain on May 13^th, 2004, 1:01am

on 05/12/04 at 20:49:22, Bob P wrote:

Thank you Bob.

Especially the point you make about everyone
should watch this & never forget,
my thoughts exactly.....100%.

Don't hide from reality folks,
do something about it. NOW!
Call your Congressman, write a letter
to your State Representative, send an
e-mail to your Senator....do SOMETHING
to voice your outrage because of this
barbaric act.

Apathy is a well spread disease in this country.
Cure yourself before it is too late.

The next victim could be one of your own.

This WAS an American.

The thing that is really bothering me,
besides this atrocity, is the lack of
outrage from our citizens.

What will it take to get the American
public to rise above their apathy?
Suicide bombers in our schools?
Gassing of our Day Care Centers?

Sometimes, I wonder about the
people of this country.

:(

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by stuey on May 13^th, 2004, 12:29pm

I agree the beheading was atrocious, horrible, etc. But our military forcing prisoners to have sex with each other, masturbate, and assorted heinous acts aint a pretty picture either. Wrongs are being commited on both sides. This country is the most hated on the planet and it's not our freedoms others hate, it's our arrogance. Many of you will disagree but this is an open forum and that's how I feel.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Lizzie2 on May 13^th, 2004, 12:38pm

on 05/13/04 at 01:01:51, KingOfPain wrote:

So, let me get this straight. Unless you watch the video, you won't feel anger and rage over what was done?? [smiley=crackup.gif]

Well, when Michael Berg collapsed on the front lawn of their house, it wasn't because he learned of what happened to his son. No, he already knew that. It was because he learned that they made it public for everyone to see the last absolutely terrifying moments of his son's life and his horrific death.

Michael Berg blames the war, our government, our military, our president for the death of his son. The military is stating that they offered Nick Berg a safe way out of Iraq and that Nick turned it down. Michael Berg continues to state that this is not the case, and he is fighting it.

I don't think you need to see the video to feel anger and rage over what was done to Nick Berg. If you need to see proof that that is not true, I'd be happy to give you a guided tour of West Chester. ::)

Lizzie

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by 5-string on May 13^th, 2004, 11:12pm

I just watched it. I felt I needed to because this shit is really happening. I'm shaking now and feel like throwing up. This is'nt a Steven King movie. This is war. The most horrable word that exists...My appoligies to the Berg family for watching his death. How can a family member bear that. The public execution of anyone. That person has a mother who will have to know that there "baby" was executed,publicly no less...
Now I must pray for my faith in humanity. I have'nt felt sad like this since I don't know when. It's a surreal kind of sad.......................peace,
...Mark..

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Stibs on May 13^th, 2004, 11:36pm

I have to say that it's so easy to get angered and outraged by what happened to Nicholas Berg, and the thought of his suffering family and friends. It's real EASY to let it get to you. But how many of us knew the guy? No, we just met him through the MEDIA and all of us with a computer happened to get access to a front row seat of his execution with a few clicks of a mouse.

This kind of thing always bothers me because these terrible things happen all over the world all the time. Yet you wouldn't hear a fraction of the amount of outrage over this tragedy if it had never been videotaped.

I first started thinking seriously about the effects of the media on me after Sept 11th. What if I never saw or heard the images the media blasted non-stop for weeks and months? Sure it would've been shocking news, but if I never saw the images and wasn't constantly reminded, would I have been so scared and fucking angry?

To Bob P I have to ask: Why would you encourage people to watch this video, and imagine your son or daughter in the place of poor Mr. Berg? By doing so you are simply playing into the the hands of fear and anger which are usually nothing more than a recipe for a justification for revenge.

I know that many people seeing or hearing my view on this issue, would see it as one of a pacifist. But the real point, is that anger and fear are perfect bedfellows. They are perfect examples that terrorism "works."

By imagining yourself or someone you love as a victim of terrorism, then terrorism has done it's job.

I realize that everyone has an opinion on this issue, as well as the war, and every side can point their finger at the other until the end of time. But I would love to see people open their minds to what the media can do to our fragile minds.

Being afraid and angry is nothing more than a waste of time. Watch the video? I say only if you can keep your emotions in check. If you are afraid of how the image might make you feel, then you shouldn't watch it. It's that simple. Is it morbid curiousity? Do you want to feel sorry for this man? Feel angry for him? Yeah, it's an unspeakable tragedy, but at least he's out of this mess and at peace.

You would've never known this happened if we didn't have the media to show us. And you would've felt better if you never knew.

One man's opinion. Thanks for reading.

Stibs

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Bob P on May 14^th, 2004, 9:43am

What really bugs me with the Neolib media is that for the past week I've watched a constant parade of Senators and Congressmen waltz in front of the camera and proclaim how digusting the pictures from Abu G prison are. I've yet to see one of them proclaim how inhumane the Berg video is.

Anger is a legitimate human emotion. I don't deny myself the right to feel it, experience it. I recognize my churning stomach, tightend muscles, racing mind as anger and I give myself permission to feel it. What you do with it may or may not be productive.

For me, seeing the video places in the front of mind the reason we're doing what we're doing. Kick the shit out of this Al Qaeda guy.

Nothing wrong with feeling scared or angry if you're person enough to use it correctly. If the purpose of terrorism is to make me angry enough to wipe terrorism from the face of the earth, then it's successful. Seems kind of self defeting for the terrorists though.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by thomas on May 14^th, 2004, 10:09am

Still not gonna watch it.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by floridian on May 14^th, 2004, 10:54am

Quote:

Your absolutely right, bob, Republican senators like Ben Knighthorse Campbell and John McCain are in the pocket of the liberal media. On the other hand, Chirac and Schroeder have condemmed the Berg killing:

Quote:

PARIS (May 14, 3:08 am ADT) - French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder condemned the grisly killing of an American in Iraq by extremists who said they were seeking revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

Maybe all the coverage of the prison torture is related to the fact that hearings were being held and the Pentagon was providing them with access to more pictures for the first time. Maybe the fact that Congress hasn't passed a resolution stating outrage means they have none. Maybe we should forget about the things that we do and focus purely on what they do. If only the liberal media would let us. We are doomed.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by floridian on May 14^th, 2004, 11:00am

Oh, by the way, the current administration had three 'good opportunities' to take out Zarqawi. The president did not approve. Too busy planning against Saddam to fight the real war against terror. Zarqawi is allowed to live, and goes on to kill. Where is your outrage on that??

Quote:

“People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.

Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawi’s operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Bob P on May 14^th, 2004, 11:31am

Thanks floridian. My point exactly. France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria all condemn the killing. All our politicians can do, and all our media can cover, is that because some Pfc and her Sgt. boyfriend, who knocked her up 5 months ago, have been mistreating prisoners, it must be a government conspiracy and the Secretary of Defense should resign.

"I didn't really, I mean, want to be in any pictures," she said. She also said she thought "it was kind of weird."

Kind of wierd! Duh!

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by HypnoticFreddy on May 14^th, 2004, 11:48am

BobP,

Yes you are entitled to being angry. Hell, all of us with CHs have GOT to be angry. As far as the war and terrorism, I agree. It makes me angry, but....

Quote:

I seem to have watched some news stories where they condemned this brutal murder. What are you talking about? And what is this Neolib media? Stop polarizing everything as either Liberal or Conservative. It sounds like a Rush Limbaugh or Hannity and Colmes re-run.

Quote:

For me, seeing the video places in the front of mind the reason we're doing what we're doing. Kick the shit out of this Al Qaeda guy.

I agree. These Al Queda terrorist groups are infesting the planet. I wish the earth could shake them off like a dog does with fleas. Thing is....these groups are growing. More factions seem to pop-up every day. I just feel that OUR actions (being occupiers, war, etc.) are contributing to new factions popping up.

If we meddled less in Iraq and elsewhere, and perhaps, perhaps FOUND BIN LADEN, maybe this wouldn't be happening.

Of course the USA is hated and terrorists want to kill all of us, and keep us in a state of fear, worry, and anxiety.

All I see is the USA taking a nose-dive into an abyss where are actions are contributing to the development of more hatred. More Terrorism. More grissly vidoes, more death.

Let the cycle continue. That is what humans do. We kill each other.

-Scott

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by floridian on May 14^th, 2004, 11:49am

A month ago, most people refused to believe there was a problem.
Now most people refuse to believe that the problem goes beyond a few rogue soldiers.

The International Red Cross has documented plenty of problems. Journalists reported being harrassed and shot at. The Geneva Convention and the International Declaration of Human Rights were violated. The Uniform Code of Military Justice was violated. Civilian contractors that are exempt from all legal accountability were giving orders to uniformed military personnel. The Justice Department has been caught lying to the Supreme Court on the methods that are being used in Gitmo and other detention facilities. Rumsfeld pulls a Clinton and word-games ~~sex into 'not-sex'~~ torture into 'not torture.' Republican senators describe guards "terrorizing prisoners."

This is a real problem that wont go away by whining about the liberal media. It's time to clean house. Whether that involves sacking Rumsfeld, I don't know.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by mynm156 on May 14^th, 2004, 11:59am

If these men were SOOOOOO BRAVE and DEDICATED to their cause they would SHOW THIER F*&@ING FACES!!!

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by thomas on May 14^th, 2004, 12:21pm

on 05/14/04 at 11:49:46, floridian wrote:

It's time to clean house. Whether that involves sacking Rumsfeld, I don't know.

It means sacking the whole lot and throwing them ALL in prison as enemies of the constitution. And I do mean all of them, the House, the Senate, the White house and the Supreme Court.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by ckelly181 on May 14^th, 2004, 3:03pm

on 05/13/04 at 23:36:48, Stibs wrote:

You would've never known this happened if we didn't have the media to show us. And you would've felt better if you never knew.

You have the right not to watch; I have the right to watch. I watched that video once, then I erased it from my hard drive. I was speechless; I was moved to tears. I will never watch it again.

I went to the Buchenwald Concentration Camp when I was in Germany. I purposely sought out to be confronted by that atrocity. I was speechless; I was moved to tears. "So why is it that we are allowed to view images of hundreds massacred during the Holocaust - but not this video?"

Both of those events effected me. I vote with purpose; I am politically active. I nod to the anti-war people at the stoplights. I stand for the troops as they parade past me.

I believe it does make a difference. I respect the fact that you don't.

--------------------------------

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/pearlisrael.html

And yet this video, depraved and evil as it is, does something for Daniel Pearl that has been done for virtually none of Al Qaeda's other victims: It makes him real. It allows him to be seen as a flesh-and-blood human being, a guy with a face and a voice and a house in Encino. Countless Americans who never knew him in life will experience Pearl's death as a sickening kick in the gut. His murder is an atrocity they will take personally - because they will have seen it with their own eyes.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Leesa on May 14^th, 2004, 3:33pm

I saw the news and tossed my cookies! My blood is still boiling over this and Mr. Pearl as well as so many others.
IMHO- pull out the troops and NUKE IT!!!! One big paking lot!!! This is JUST ME!!! And IM PISSED OFF!!!!
Leesa

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by floridian on May 14^th, 2004, 3:41pm

Quote:

MHO- pull out the troops and NUKE IT!!!! One big paking lot!!! This is JUST ME!!! And IM PISSED OFF!!!!

Lets nuke Chicago to make them pay for the crimes of John Wayne Gacy. Heinous and brutal ? - he soddomized and killed 33 boys. Innocent people in Chicago? Fuggetaboutit!

This is JUST ME - I favor St. Louis.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by JDH on May 14^th, 2004, 4:03pm

on 05/14/04 at 15:41:06, floridian wrote:

This is JUST ME - I favor St. Louis.

Say what? :o

that's getting a liitle too close to home...wait, that IS home!

Jim

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by ckelly181 on May 14^th, 2004, 4:04pm

on 05/14/04 at 15:41:06, floridian wrote:

Lets nuke Chicago to make them pay for the crimes of John Wayne Gacy.

:o Wow. Brain rush...touche.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by floridian on May 14^th, 2004, 4:08pm

Quote:

Say what?

that's getting a liitle too close to home...wait, that IS home!

Don't worry - I mean Chicago should be nuked because I am a St. Louis fan. And I was being facetious. I don't want any city nuked. There's a difference between bringing murders to justice and vaporizing everyone in that general corner of the planet.

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by JDH on May 14^th, 2004, 4:22pm

on 05/14/04 at 16:08:57, floridian wrote:

Don't worry - I mean Chicago should be nuked because I am a St. Louis fan. And I was being facetious. I don't want any city nuked.

Duh me, I thought you were having visions of nuking STL
Well alrighty then, any St Louis fan who's up for nuking Chi-town and the Cubbies is OK by me....disclaimer: before any of the Chicago people start in w/me, I'm being facetious as well ;)

BUT the Cubs really do suck ;;D

Jim

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by floridian on May 14^th, 2004, 4:25pm

And then there's that whole "superbowl shuffle" thing -

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by HypnoticFreddy on May 14^th, 2004, 5:01pm

The Superbowl shuffle is one of my favorite hit songs of ALL time. That video. I wonder if I can find it on Kazaa???? Hmmmmm.

Why they don't make music videos like that anymore, I have no idea. Those BEARS could really sing and dance!

-Scott

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by BobG on May 14^th, 2004, 6:07pm

I just love the religious/political discussions here. ::) It give me a warm fuzzy feeling. :-*

I say fuck 'em all. Nuke the whole fuckin' planet.

Except my house.

and my hot rod.

and my 401K.

I don't care. It's Friday. I'm going to Vegas! ;;D

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Gator on May 14^th, 2004, 6:44pm

on 05/13/04 at 12:29:08, stuey wrote:

My first question would be if you were of legal age, did you vote in the last presidential election? If not I don't have a damned thing to say to you. You have absolutely NO right to bitch about anything this country does. Assuming you were of legal age and did vote, as soon as you said the word "But," you excused the deeds of the murderers who beheaded an innocent civilian out to help a people rebuild their nation. Some people got embarassed and that is equal to murder?

Giving these murderers a pass embarasses me that you are an American, should you now be hunted down and publicly beheaded?

Is that how you would raise your children? I can hear the conversation, "Daddy, Suzy embarassed me in front of my friends. Oh, okay Billy, go kill her."

You think that sounds ridiculous doesn't it? That is exactly what you are saying when you give these animals a pass for killing anyone, let alone one of your fellow countryman. Or is there a degree of embarassment that is acceptable before putting it on the same level as murder. Maybe the murders at Columbine were justified. I mean the kids ridiculed and embarassed the shooters. Poor picked on kids. We'll give them a pass, too and called it justifiable homicide.

I don't give a rats ass how any other country feels about us. They like us enough to take our money and other aid don't they? They like us enough to scream for our help when threatened by dark forces, don't they?
Fact is no matter how much you try to put down this country, it does more for the world than ANY other nation. We have more freedoms than any other nation in the world including one I wish a lot more people would use and that is the freedom to leave it if they don't like it.

Gator
War never solved anything - except communism, fasism, nazism and slavery!

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by jonny on May 14^th, 2004, 6:49pm

on 05/14/04 at 18:44:50, Gator wrote:

I don't give a rats ass how any other country feels about us. They like us enough to take our money and other aid don't they? They like us enough to scream for our help when threatened by dark forces, don't they?
Fact is no matter how much you try to put down this country, it does more for the world than ANY other nation. We have more freedoms than any other nation in the world including one I wish a lot more people would use and that is the freedom to leave it if they don't like it.

War never solved anything - except communism, fasism, nazism and slavery!

ROCK-N-FUCKING ROLL!!!

....................................jonny

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Sean_C on May 14^th, 2004, 7:39pm

Thank you Gator, its always a pleasure to read your post.

It boggles my mind how some people just have to be negative regarding all subjects......or choose to be opposition regardless of the matter. What would this country do without the bullshit.

If you don't LOVE your Country you are free to leave at your convenience. We don't want you to stay here if your not happy. Better yet start your own perfect country and see how fast some not a very nice person try's to take it from you.

If that be the case, don't come crying to us. We wouldn't want to hurt the new owners feelings.

Sean

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by HypnoticFreddy on May 14^th, 2004, 8:35pm

Gator,

About voting.......Good point, but I think voting is not enough. You can get involved in other ways, if even only at the local level.

Quote:

Giving these murderers a pass embarasses me that you are an American, should you now be hunted down and publicly beheaded?

We are all angry beyond belief. The video repeats in my head.

Quote:

I don't give a rats ass how any other country feels about us.

That is ethnocentric idealology and it sounds like foolish and naieve....again.

Yes we have given money and aid to many countries. We have dropped bombs on hospitals, dropped more bombs on innocents. We have also supplied MANY of these "terrorists" with RPGs, bombs, other military aresnal and more resons for hatred. So now because of OUR recent actions in Iraq, we are losing. Time to exit Iraq and re-think this out.

Some people don't realize that it is ALL interconnected.

This is unjustifiable and we shouldn't be there. Gator you would not be so "Rambo"-like in your reaction, if you haden't had the experiences you did and I don't blame you for it. But if we didn't attack Iraq, this anger of yours may not be there.

-Scott

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by jonny on May 14^th, 2004, 8:39pm

on 05/14/04 at 20:35:31, HypnoticFreddy wrote:

Gator,

About voting.......Good point, but I think voting is not enough. You can get involved in other ways, if even only at the local level.

We are all angry beyond belief. The video repeats in my head.

That is ethnocentric idealology and it sounds like foolish and naieve....again.

Yes we have given money and aid to many countries. We have dropped bombs on hospitals, dropped more bombs on innocents. We have also supplied MANY of these "terrorists" with RPGs, bombs, other military aresnal and more resons for hatred. So now because of OUR recent actions in Iraq, we are losing. Time to exit Iraq and re-think this out.

Some people don't realize that it is ALL interconnected.

This is unjustifiable and we shouldn't be there. Gator you would not be so "Rambo"-like in your reaction, if you haden't had the experiences you did and I don't blame you for it. But if we didn't attack Iraq, this anger of yours may not be there.

-Scott

::)

.............................jonny

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Gator on May 14^th, 2004, 9:39pm

on 05/14/04 at 20:35:31, HypnoticFreddy wrote:

Gator,

About voting.......Good point, but I think voting is not enough. You can get involved in other ways, if even only at the local level.

Quote by Gator: Giving these murderers a pass embarasses me that you are an American, should you now be hunted down and publicly beheaded?

We are all angry beyond belief. The video repeats in my head.

Quote by Gator:I don't give a rats ass how any other country feels about us.

That is ethnocentric idealology and it sounds like foolish and naieve....again.

Yes we have given money and aid to many countries. We have dropped bombs on hospitals, dropped more bombs on innocents. We have also supplied MANY of these "terrorists" with RPGs, bombs, other military aresnal and more resons for hatred. So now because of OUR recent actions in Iraq, we are losing. Time to exit Iraq and re-think this out.

Some people don't realize that it is ALL interconnected.

This is unjustifiable and we shouldn't be there. Gator you would not be so "Rambo"-like in your reaction, if you haden't had the experiences you did and I don't blame you for it. But if we didn't attack Iraq, this anger of yours may not be there.

-Scott

Voting: I do get involved locally and at the state level and at the federal level. I know the names and email addresses of my congressmen and I use them.

Video: I watched it and I did not get sick nor did I shed a tear. I am genuinely sorry for the man and his family and I pray for God to ease their suffering. We cannot afford to not to see these things and let them be burned into our minds and hearts and the time for tears is past. To borrow from ckelly181's post: This video conveys with a force no words can match the undiluted malignancy, the sheer evil, of the enemy we are fighting. Yes, it is a horror. Yes, it is barbaric. But we are at war with barbarians, and what they did to Mr. Berg, they would gladly do to any one of us. This is no time to be covering our eyes

Iraq: You are still trying to blame America first, I see. Iraqi's and terrorists were killing and beheading each other and their victims long before we stepped into the picture. If they were the reasonable, conscientious and loveable people you would have us think they are, they would be at the UN pleading their case for America to mind her own business. They are not. Radical Islamic Terrorists are in almost every country in the world setting up shop whether that country meddled in their affairs or not. They are in and have attempted attacks in France - France is against the war. Oops! There goes that theory.

Rambo: I was Rambo incarnate. Rambo was a wuss compared to me and my team. I specialized in individual and small unit tactics. My squad was the best of the best. They got me in trouble more times than I can count when we weren't in the field, but once in the field no OpFor (opposing force), not even the Navy fucking Seals could penetrate our perimeter. I was awarded the Commandants Award at the jungle combat school in Crow Valley, in the Philippines in 1989 for how tough and well trained my squad and I were. At "Team Spirit" in Kunsan, Korea 1990 the Inspector General team commended us and said we were "just too good."

Don't you dare try to appease or apologize for me. I had anger long before this war. Anger at these terrorist dogs who dared set foot unpon my country. Anger at the Clinton administration for refusing to take Osama Bin Laden from the Syrians. Anger at the first Bush Administration for not finishing the job the first time. Anger at the apologists in this world who have a handy platitude and excuse for what people like the terrorists do. And anger at the people who blame America for all the worlds woes.

Gator

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Ree on May 14^th, 2004, 10:07pm

Gator...........well said.......you scare me, but... well said........You are right about one thing... whether we believe in war or not... they hate US that means ALL of US and they would gladly behead anyone of us. We are all INFIDELS...................scarey stuff...

I still chose not to watch the video... and never will. That is my choice as an American.......but, my eyes are not closed. Ree

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Mr.Happy on May 14^th, 2004, 10:36pm

on 05/14/04 at 21:39:18, Gator wrote:

Rambo was a wuss compared to me and my team.

I know it well. The name on my uniform said Jones, but the men in my outfit called me "Sgt Fury."

Quote:

not even the Navy fucking Seals could penetrate our perimeter.

Big deal. My men used to warm up by _fucking_ Navy Seals. I'm telling you, these men were tuff.

Quote:

the Inspector General team commended us and said we were "just too good."

I'll be damned. We got the same thing. That's when my outfit deployed out of country, had to live off the land, with no contact or support from base for years at a time.

And that's how we saved Canada,
RJ

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by john123 on May 14^th, 2004, 11:02pm

Quote:

I was Rambo incarnate. Rambo was a wuss compared to me and my team.

:-X

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by JDH on May 14^th, 2004, 11:23pm

on 05/14/04 at 22:36:27, Mr.Happy wrote:

I know it well. The name on my uniform said Jones, but the men in my outfit called me "Sgt Fury."

Big deal. My men used to warm up by _fucking_ Navy Seals. I'm telling you, these men were tuff.

I'll be damned. We got the same thing. That's when my outfit deployed out of country, had to live off the land, with no contact or support from base for years at a time.

And that's how we saved Canada,
RJ

ROTFLMMFAO!!! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Yer killin' me Happy man!
I'll always feel safe as long as there's guys like you around.

Jim

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Kirk on May 14^th, 2004, 11:57pm

Why the fook did you save Canada for crissakes Randy. Get yer ass over here to Oregon. We need ya Cuz.

Title: Nick at Night
Post by Mr.Happy on May 15^th, 2004, 12:06am

on 05/14/04 at 23:57:10, Kirk wrote:

Why the fook did you save Canada for crissakes

It was there, and rumor had it there were virgins aplenty.
I was young,
RJ

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by Cerberus on May 15^th, 2004, 5:09pm

Quote:

Don't worry - I mean Chicago should be nuked because I am a St. Louis fan.

Quote:

Well alrighty then, any St Louis fan who's up for nuking Chi-town and the Cubbies is OK by me....disclaimer: before any of the Chicago people start in w/me, I'm being facetious as well

BUT the Cubs really do suck

Gentlemen: pls limit your jibbing of Chicago limited to the north side of the city....We Sox fans have got a legitimate season goin on over here. Any and all military action levied against and not limited to the south side will be immediately and directly responded to and retaliated against....besides we're gonna help you out next month by takin the first 3 of six away from the chubbies. ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D

Ramon (a.k.a. the Cubs must die!) :D

Ramon

Title: Re: Video of Nick?
Post by BobG on May 16^th, 2004, 1:18pm

ROTFLMAO [smiley=laugh.gif] Good one Mr. Happy.

I once knew a WWII hero. He spent most of the war years hitch-hiking from Galveston to San Antonio and back again. Neither Army base wanted him.

But, during all those years he spent out on the open highways, the Japs never once attacked Texas.