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(Message started by: Lizzie2 on May 11^th, 2004, 6:57pm)

Title: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Lizzie2 on May 11^th, 2004, 6:57pm

If you watch the news, you've probably already heard about the death of Nicholas Berg, an American Civilian who was over in Iraq. He is from my hometown, and one of my mom's best friends at work was like a mother to him when he was growing up. This is a very sad story. :'(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4953015/

Lizzie

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Tiannia on May 11^th, 2004, 7:01pm

Reading about this story does not seem real. That something this macaube could really happen.

May he pass from this life knowing that he was loved and is where no one can harm him anymore.

Blessed Be,
-Tiannia

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Jabeen on May 11^th, 2004, 7:16pm

I can not even imagine what this poor kid's parents are going through. I have two sons 25 & 27 and the thought of what that poor boy (man) went through and his family-it's beyond comprehension. I saw it all over the news tonight and I was numb. What a freakin' mess we got into over there and I have no idea what the answers are. I pray for the soldiers every day- and for some sort of resolution to this nightmare.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by 5-string on May 11^th, 2004, 7:17pm

Sorry Lizzie. When it hits home it becomes REAL.
This whole thing really sucks. Totally sucks....
Being murdered in front of a video camara is way too much for a family member to bear.
We just have to keep the faith in humanity..Now more than ever.
Prayers for Nicholis' family.
...Mark..

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Luke63 on May 11^th, 2004, 7:41pm

I saw the story on Yahoo...still don't believe this is all happening. My stomach is sick...I don't feel good now. When I read it earlier today...wasn't sure...but I believe(and maybe I shouldn't always believe the media) when I saw it on the news this evening,,it's true! This is a sickness that must be stopped totally...because if it's not...much more will follow. My prayers to this brave Man and his Family. May the Lord keep in him Peace...Cleanse him...and take him to his side.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Gator on May 11^th, 2004, 7:59pm

This is terrible. I want to know where is the moral outrage? People were so concerned that these murderers of Americans were only humiliated, yet the media portays this murder with cool detachment even going so far as to appear to blame America for it. These are the people that we are fighting in Iraq. I call them people, but the truth is their lack of respect for human life puts them somewhere below animals.

I'm not saying those who mistreated the Iraqi prisoners shouldn't be punished. They should be and we were already working on that when some Islamic Terrorist sympthizing bastard traitor leaked the pictures to the media. And the media in their rush for ratings broadcasts that crap sometimes without even verifying the info or asking themelves if they should. As far as I'm concerned, those people who sell secrets and leak information should suffer a particularly harsh death. At least as harsh as the death the people suffer who are killed because of the leak. This country needs to re-discover the meaning of the word "Traitor."

Sorry to rant, but this shit pisses me off!

Climbing down from soapbox now.

Gator

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Charlie on May 11^th, 2004, 10:59pm

The Nazis blamed the media for their woes all the time.

Nothing new.

Charlie

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Gator on May 11^th, 2004, 11:11pm

on 05/11/04 at 22:59:27, Charlie wrote:

The Nazis blamed the media for their woes all the time.

Nothing new.

Charlie

So now Pro-America = Nazi?

Glad to know where you stand.

Gator
I'll stand WITH my country

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Charlie on May 11^th, 2004, 11:26pm

Have no idea what you are talking about. I just don't want to blame the wrong people. It's them not us who are to blame. The scum perpetrating this shit are the culprits, No matter what cable news says.

I don't think I'm reading this thread well.

Charlie

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by JDH on May 11^th, 2004, 11:29pm

I downloaded the video and it's fucking hideous. These are some brutal mf'ers we're dealing with but I guess we already knew that after 9/11.
Yes this is a tragedy and I'm sorry for the family but civilians going into that part of the world should know the risk involved. Sure there's a lot of money to made in Iraq right now but is it worth it?

Jim

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Lizzie2 on May 11^th, 2004, 11:32pm

Well I don't think he was going over for the money. Not sure how much the national news said about him because all the news reports are blending together at this point. A few years ago he went to Africa, and he came back with just the clothes on his back because he gave away everything he had. He is just that kind of person. His family has said repeatedly that he went because he wanted to help.

My mom met him awhile back because he came to her school to help teach kids about squids in her friend's class.

Somehow..to me he seemed like a great person..not someone out to make a buck.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by JDH on May 11^th, 2004, 11:54pm

OK I went back and read a little about Nick Berg and maybe he was over there working for righteous reasons. But I would imagine most civilian contractors over there are like the ex-hostage Thomas Hamill and they are there for the incredible money being offered.
The bottom line is they are entering at their own risk and the bad guys ain't hardly bullshittin'

Jim

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Lizzie2 on May 11^th, 2004, 11:59pm

Yeah it is true you enter at your own risk. I reminded my mom today that I have wanted to go to Africa with Doctors Without Borders since I was in junior high maybe. Even after all the things I hear coming out of there, I still want to go. I guess sometimes our convictions overcome that fear. Don't know if I will ever go to Africa, but God bless him for going there and Iraq and for attempting to bring some good...

Never easy choices, I guess.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Gator on May 12^th, 2004, 12:14am

on 05/11/04 at 23:26:28, Charlie wrote:

Probably more my frame of mind right now than your post. Background stuff pressing in heavy on my head today. That coupled with a couple of direct attacks by the beast has me on edge. Don't really mean to attack anyone.

It just seems the American television news channels of today are quicker on the story if it is anti-American. And you are right - the scumbags that are committing these heinous murders are the bad guys. I wish more people could focus on that than constantly bashing America every time someone in a third world country gets a runny nose. It gets old and if they hate America that bad, then they should get the hell out. Go to one of those poor countries they are so fond of and bash that countries government and see how long they live.

I'm sure this is all far removed from the reason Lizzie posted the story in the first place. It is a tragedy that the young man was killed. Regardless of whether he was there to make money or not, he was a civilian there helping rebuild their country and the bastards killed him for no other reason than he was American. I do feel sorry for his family and friends that knew him and loved him and I send out a prayer for them to be comforted in this dark hour.

Gator

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by stevegeebe on May 12^th, 2004, 12:54am

Sometimes I question my faith. This is one of these moments.

I wonder how God can resist the urge to let us know that we had better stop treating each other in these ways. It makes me wonder if he really exists.

Or, are we just not able to do it. Are we just the animals that we are. Are we not all just animals? Are we asking too much? What do we think we are? Is this it?

If so, than is it simply a matter of survival? Kill or be killed? Maybe so. And if so, we better stop jerking around and get busy killing cause this shit is all over the place.

Then I look at what little true justice I see in the world and think there must be something that keeps the record. There has to be something that delivers the ultimate final justice. God, I hope so. And if so, I feel sorry for those animals. May He punish them forever.

A nun once answered the following way when questioned about the concept of forever. She said, " Imagine a building as big as the Empire State Building. Imagine it made of solid steel. Now, once a year, a sparrow flys by the building and its wing brushes up against the side of the building. Now, when that building is worn down to the ground by this bird's wing...forever has just started!"

Steve G

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by EyeHurtOhio on May 12^th, 2004, 5:19am

I made the mistake of watching the entire video. It was the most disturbing thing i have ever seen.

My heart goes out to his family!

Tom

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by kimh on May 12^th, 2004, 7:24am

My heart aches for what happened to that boy. Words cannot express the feelings of knowing humans do this to one another.

We are at war. And, like other wars, the propaganda machine chugs along. If I learned anything by this, it's that the individuals responsible remain true to their word. I do not believe for one instant that the murder was for revenge for the acts of a few American soldiers (there goes that propaganda machine again). Show the Americans how THEIR actions have caused this. BUNK, BUNK, BUNK!!!!!!! This latest grotesque display should only show us all the more what we are dealing with and have been dealing with from the beginning. They despise us and have despised us for a lawwwwng time.

Our young men and women are over there in harms way 24/7. They are fighting against people who want them off the face of the earth. I don't know why the "media" views this as "non-news" :(

Prayers going up for each and every soldier fighting terrorism for our future.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by helpless23 on May 12^th, 2004, 8:57am

I haven't seen the video, nor do I care to. I am so disturbed just from seeing the little bit they showed on the news, it's leaving me sick to my stomach too.

|By the way. What sick site is showing the entire video?

Now I won't post anything political, I am resisting the urge. The last time I did that, it started a flame fest and I'm not THAT ignorant to think that everyone believes what I do but...

Nevermind. Thank God for the delete key.

My heart, soul and all my prayers go out to his family.

This is a real life horror story and I just wish it would end.

Much Love,
Toni

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Lizzie2 on May 12^th, 2004, 9:01am

Haven't seen the whole video...don't know where it is...and really don't want to know! What I did see almost made me throw up so I'd rather refrain from seeing any more...

I feel awful that his family saw the whole thing. This will probably torment them for the rest of their lives. :'(

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by stuey on May 12^th, 2004, 11:05am

I haven't seen the whole video of what happened to Nicholas Berg. It is horrible nonetheless. To behead someone and to say "God is Great" while doing it is unfathomable in my mind. I also understand he was also Jewish. I also happened to go online and unfortunately put in "Iraqi Pictures" as a search vehicle and I happened to see the pictures of Iraqi civilians injured during my governments operation free iraq bombing campaign. Children with no feet, arms burnt beyond description. I thought nothing could shock me, those photos did. Everyone feels strongly in their own way about what is happening. I haven't fully decided what to feel or what to believe. I am not there, others are and I wish they weren't. I am scared for a civilian friend in Saudi Arabia right now who I wish was home. I won't share my personal beliefs about our current administration here so as not to offend some. I just pray for a swift resolution to it all if that is possible and for the return of our young men and women over there, whether they should be or not.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by KingOfPain on May 12^th, 2004, 11:29am

I would invite all the bleeding heart Iraqi/Islamic/anti-war supporters
to explain their views to THESE families.

_____________________________________________
Michael Berg, left, collapses to the ground in front of the family house in West Chester, Pa., and is comforted by his son, David, after learning from a reporter Tuesday of the existence of a video showing the beheading of his other son, Nick.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040512/040512_nickberg_hmed_7a.h2.jpg

The decapitation (of Nick Berg) recalled the kidnapping and videotaped beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002 in Pakistan. Four Islamic militants have been convicted of kidnapping Pearl, but seven suspects — including those who allegedly slit his throat — remain at large.

Last month, Iraqi militants videotaped the killing of Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi, but the Arab TV network Al-Jazeera refused to air it because it was too graphic.

_____________________________________________

Rest In Peace Nick Berg.

:'(

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by floridian on May 12^th, 2004, 11:40am

Quote:

would invite all the bleeding heart Iraqi/Islamic/anti-war supporters
to explain their views to THESE families.

"Michael Berg lashed out at the U.S. military and Bush administration, saying his son might still be alive had he not been detained by U.S. officials in Iraq without being charged and without access to a lawyer."

"Michael Berg said he blamed the U.S. government for creating circumstances that led to his son's death. He said if his son hadn't been detained for so long, he might have been able to leave the country before the violence worsened."

"I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of civil rights this thing has caused," he said. "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/all-islamicsite-side-051104,0,7401208.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines

Maybe you should remind the families how they should feel.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by JDH on May 12^th, 2004, 12:04pm

on 05/12/04 at 11:29:35, KingOfPain wrote:

I would invite all the bleeding heart Iraqi/Islamic/anti-war supporters
to explain their views to THESE families.

_____________________________________________Rest In Peace Nick Berg.

:'(

This is a quote from Nick Bergs father:

Quote:

"I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of civil rights this thing has caused," he said. "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."

It seems that me that Nick's father and I have the same view so what is it you want me explain to them?

Bleeding heart Iraqi/Islamic anti war supporter my ass.
I may not be a big supporter of this war but I have supported our troops since day one.
I've collected supplies from co-workers and have delivered several boxes to the local USO and I will continue to do so as long as there is a need.
What have YOU done?

Jim

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by KingOfPain on May 12^th, 2004, 12:09pm

Berg's killers, believed linked to al Qaeda terrorists who've infiltrated war-torn Iraq since the American invasion 14 months ago, claimed the grisly, bloody beheading - which took an agonizing 30 seconds on video.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Gena on May 12^th, 2004, 12:12pm

:'(

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by KingOfPain on May 12^th, 2004, 12:21pm

'Coffins after coffins'

One of the militants reads a lengthy denunciation of the United States and the abuse by U.S. troops of Iraqis detained in a prison near Baghdad.

"How can a free Muslim sleep well as he sees Islam slaughtered and its dignity bleeding, and the pictures of shame and the news of the devilish scorn of the people of Islam - men and women - in the prison of Abu Ghraib?" the speaker demands in Arabic.

"We tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way."

Following the statement, the men pull Berg down and slash at his neck with a large knife as he screams. Shouting "God is greatest!" the men saw off his head.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Cerberus on May 12^th, 2004, 12:22pm

As far as I am concerned...

the anti-Iraq war people can sit down and shut up now. >:(
So sorry...Carrie

Ramon

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by HypnoticFreddy on May 12^th, 2004, 12:35pm

Cerebus....Please elaborate on why anti-Iraq war people should shut up. I am sorry you have a son or daughter in Iraq. I have a good friend there also. And he just had a baby.

This is America, and we have the right (or maybe soon not) to speak out against the war. That is one reason I love America.

As far as Gator saying ,
Quote:

As far as I'm concerned, those people who sell secrets and leak information should suffer a particularly harsh death. At least as harsh as the death the people suffer who are killed because of the leak. This country needs to re-discover the meaning of the word "Traitor."

Well......I think we are entitled to seeing the images and videos. Otherwise this is complete utter bullshit. Sorry. And I mean the media. As grotesque as it is. You want to believe all the Bush propaganda? Go ahead. You actually believe this man? Go ahead. As far as the media, American and western media is government (and Budweiser) controlled. Bush and Co does not want the US to see what is happening. But guess what? It is happening. And as sad and horrible this all is, we as Americans NEED to see it. Otherwise we are only getting a one-sided view of this political Quagmire.

-Scott

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by JDH on May 12^th, 2004, 12:42pm

on 05/12/04 at 12:22:23, Cerberus wrote:

As far as I am concerned...

the anti-Iraq war people can sit down and shut up now. >:(
Ramon

OK Ramon yer right, it's time for me to sit down and STFU....I should know better than to discuss politics or religion in a public forum, my bad...
but I just wish someone could tell me whatever happpened to Osama bin Laden? Isn't he the one that started all of this?
hmmmmm...He seems to have disappeared along with all of those weapons of mass destruction :o

Jim

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Lizzie2 on May 12^th, 2004, 12:47pm

Hehe I will let y'all have your own fight over this one.

However I will say this. I think there is a difference between being anti-war and grieving over loss, suffering, and pain.

JDH, you're right about the politics and religion thing!!

Lizzie :)

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Luke63 on May 12^th, 2004, 1:08pm

Hey Freddy...go to napster or Kazaa...ITS NOT BULLSHIT. I've seen the video already...and Ive been sick to my stomach for 5 hours now...and will probably have nightmares this evening. Far from propaganda..and far from Budweiser. United States needs to get real mean now...fuck the mister nice guy shit.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by HypnoticFreddy on May 12^th, 2004, 1:21pm

OK Luke. Go out and kill everybody. Kill the Muslims. Kill the Jews. Kill the French. Let's kill everybody. You think we need to take action? Because of this awful beheading? Well, we shouldn't be there in the first place. I am real sorry for this fellow and his family. I really am. But seriously, we better get the hell out of there. We lost. Sorry! Our country is run by morons, idiots, and people who are only interested in keeping the rich richer, and who want OIL. All of the oil.

And yes, where the hell is Osama Bin Laden? We can point a laser at the moon and hit a target within millimeters. We can pinpoint a high-res object such as a shoe from a satellite 500 miles in space. We can't find some guy. A TALL guy!!!!

In early 2003 Bush said, Iraq must go. They have WMD and pose an imenent threat to the US and our allies. Well, Saddam used all the WMDs that we provided him with already. Remember the Iran-Iraq war. We wanted Iraq to win. So WE gave him the things. He was bad man. A very bad man. He killed Iranians with the WMDs and killed his own people. I don't argue about that. WE HAVE NO RIGHT to be there and if you think we should take all this action, fucking ask people from outside THIS country what they think of us or our policies. WE ARE MORE HATED THAN EVER. We are going about this wrong.

-Scott

P.S.
I do NOT WANT TO SEE this video. I can imagine how hard it is to take.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Jimmy_B on May 12^th, 2004, 1:40pm

I personally didn't fight a war for people to NOT have an opinion...seriously...this thread was started by Lizzie to eulogize Nick Berg...not as a clusterf**k pro-war, ant-war flaming. Even the Iraqi people are denouncing this killing:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5119272

I quess my sig rings very true with this thread.

Flame away...I'm done.

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by Charlie on May 12^th, 2004, 2:20pm

Quote:

It just seems the American television news channels of today are quicker on the story if it is anti-American.

And the answer is: Money. In order to get viewers to buy useless diet pills and patio awnings, they need to keep you glued to the screen. Anti-American stuff and silly religious button-pushing stories guarantee this. Erecting a church isn't news; bombing a church is. Same goes for safe airplane landings and the like.

I don't think our morally pure leaders get it about these people. Like the Klan, they are selective in their reading of religious texts. To such people, this kind of behavior is just what their deity ordered and by God or his surrogates, they’re gonna show us that they can do no wrong. Torture? Right up their blood-drenched alleys. This doesn’t work for us as is shown when even a handful of us venture down one looking for a shortcut.

We’re stuck. Like the British some 80 odd years ago. They lost hundreds, maybe thousands of prisoners and civilians to torture and starvation. It's a good place to stay out of. I have my doubts that we can establish some kind of democratic island in Iraq to show them their way to salvation. The last one fizzled quickly as soon as the British closed up their Baghdad shop in the 1950s.

As they say: You break it; you’ve bought it. We sure did and I only hope we can at least find most of the pieces. It’s not going to look the same...well that's good I guess....but we have to try and to do as little more damage as possible on the way out someday.

Charlie

Title: Re: Sad news overseas (not CH)
Post by stuey on May 12^th, 2004, 3:02pm

Everyone is gung ho about taking action action action. Those yelling for it I somehow don't think are racing to join the war effort. It's great to yell get them, kill them, let them have it, as long as its someone else is doing it for you. We shouldn't be there at all.