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(Message started by: bobkip on Apr 26^th, 2004, 9:56pm)

Title: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by bobkip on Apr 26^th, 2004, 9:56pm

I'm getting a bit confused. We have now extended the so called cease fire at Fallujah again. How many is it now? I've lost track. Why is it our guys are the ones observing this bullshit while the radicals are taking this time to re-arm with no intention to disarm ? We should give the non-combatants 24 hours to evacuate and then flatten the damned place, mosques and all. Let our guys go in and do the job they were trained to do instead of being targets for the nutsos tthat don't really give a rats ass for life, their's or any one elses. Are we so damned afraid of offending our so called arab friends now that we're willing to sacrafice our troops to fanatics that think nothing of killing and mutilating others? Are we now begining to bog down in the mire of politics to show the rest of the world how great we are? God, I hope not.
Kip

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 26^th, 2004, 9:59pm

I appoint you their leader Bob.

I would trust no one less than you to get that job done. Linda

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Big Dan on Apr 26^th, 2004, 10:12pm

Bah...

Drop a Daisycutter once every hour on that mufucker until the pansy ass bitches surrender...

... Then line 'em up, and put a slug in each of their worthless heads.

-Big Pissed

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by bobkip on Apr 26^th, 2004, 11:05pm

My thoughts exactly Dan. But then, will that make us just like them? Dmn, it's a hard call.
Kip

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Pinkfloyd on Apr 26^th, 2004, 11:44pm

on 04/26/04 at 23:05:41, bobkip wrote:

But then, will that make us just like them?
Kip

Not at all. We'd be alive and they'd be DEAD. Very different. Sounds reasonable to me.

PF

Title: Cowboys and Muslims
Post by rumplestiltskin on Apr 27^th, 2004, 12:42am

Read all the crap I could stand.

Armchair generals rattling sabres for the good corporate oil barons...while Iraqi civilians and brave innocent American youth die. Fucking disgraceful. Without any shred of grace.

It's not the fact that it's not winable...worse...we are creating a whole new breed of terrorist. They have been watching their mothers and children die at our hands. A catchy sales technique for Democracy and Christianity.

Bomb their mosques? Squeeze yer orange juice, cuss the gas prices and take comfort in the fact that there are hundreds of channels not showing our children dying.

Bring our children home and put the oil barons on trial for genocide and war crimes.

Wage Peace
den

Title: Re: Cowboys and Muslims
Post by Pinkfloyd on Apr 27^th, 2004, 12:56am

on 04/27/04 at 00:42:57, rumplestiltskin wrote:

They have been watching their mothers and children die at our hands. A catchy sales technique for Democracy and Christianity.
den

Didn't seem to bother them enough to do anything about it, watching their mothers and children die at the hand of Saddam. Didn't see much terrorist activity against Iraq.

date=04/27/04 at 00:42:57] Bomb their mosques?
den[/quote]

yeah..every one of them. They're the tallest buildings. Have to take out the highest vantage point. Sorry, but its not about religion, its about winning a war.

PF

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Big Dan on Apr 27^th, 2004, 1:06am

This is fittin' to go from Moderate War Rant to Fugly in record time...

-Big Dan

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Charlie on Apr 27^th, 2004, 6:46am

Historically, Iraq is the result of wishful thinking by Britain and others more than 80 years ago. I learned that England lost well more than 1,000 men trying the same thing in the 20s and it was startlingly like what we're doing now. England knows how expensive on so many levels, it is to police an empire.

Since what resides in the White House now calls WMDs: "Related program activities and a significant amount of equipment," we're stuck. I hate to say it but these fighters in Fallujah are not interested in negotiating. Den is right that even bin Laden & Co. couldn't afford the free recruiting we've done for him. It's costly paying attention to only our own history.

"Iraq is just like a sign in the Pottery Barn. If you break it, you've bought it." We sure have and there will be a lot more blood under the bridge.

Charlie

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by floridian on Apr 27^th, 2004, 8:26am

The 'cease-fire' may have just been an opportunity to reposition US forces, conduct reconnaissance, and run-down the resources (food, sleep, etc) of the insurgents. And it wasn't really a cease fire - both sides were engaging in some activity through the whole thing. It may reflect a disagreement on strategy between various groups in the US military and CPA, although it seems that a course has been decided on. I don't see it as an intentional sacrifice of our troops.

But in response to Bob_Kips question "Are we now begining to bog down in the mire of politics ... ?" - well, yes, we have occupied a country and now must do the Iraqi political dance. No way around that.

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by floridian on Apr 27^th, 2004, 8:43am

Quote:

Didn't seem to bother them enough to do anything about it, watching their mothers and children die at the hand of Saddam. Didn't see much terrorist activity against Iraq.

Actually, there were several uprisings against Saddam. The most famous was conducted by the Marsh Arabs in the south of Iraq after the first Gulf War. The first Bush encourage the uprising and promised support. Suport never came and that uprising was crushed. 400,000 people were displaced when Saddam drained the marshes. Maybe 100,000 people died in the fighting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10874-2003Apr11?language=printer

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Leesa on Apr 27^th, 2004, 9:56am

IMHO bring our troops home and bomb the hell outta the place turn it to a WalMart wouldnt hurt my feelings at all. May even cheer the place up a bit.
Leesa

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by jonny on Apr 27^th, 2004, 4:01pm

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/ac130_gunshipmed.wmv

An old favorite of mine ;;D

.................................jonny

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by hopefull on Apr 27^th, 2004, 9:05pm

wish I knew how to put a pic in here....I have one my husband sent me of 2 little girls going to school on the other side of the razor fence.....

They look like any child you'd see here....can't imagine being a child there....yes they had it rough before and will after too......

just as a mother and grandmother it breaks my heart...

I can't begin to imagine the fear they live with every day

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Charlie on Apr 28^th, 2004, 6:15am

I can't imagine it either. For some it's all they've known.

Every now and then it strikes me that even with the horror of clusters, we are well-fed and comfortable enough to come here and complain.

Life is still pretty good....for us.

Charlie

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by Jimmy_B on Apr 28^th, 2004, 7:35am

No more cease fire...now.

They were probably waiting on more intelligence as to where the enemy was holed up. To search & destroy the enemy is a soldier's way...to indiscriminately blow away anything that is there is not.

"Keep up the good fight"

Title: Re: Cowboys and Muslims
Post by Slammy on Apr 28^th, 2004, 1:59pm

on 04/27/04 at 00:42:57, rumplestiltskin wrote:

Wage Peace
den

We tried that..... it didn't work. Hey! Why don't we just send everyone home and disarm all of our strategic and tactical forces. And then we can throw flowers at them and ask them to please stop and then kill them with love and kindness. ;;D Crawl back into your fantasyland

Slammy 8)

Title: Re: Cease fire in Iraq? not ch
Post by kimh on Apr 28^th, 2004, 7:01pm

Historically speaking, it's been a long journey and so.....here we are. It began long b4 England was England.....

how it's going to end ....hmmmm...dunno. i keep reading and i keep looking both behind and ahead. tough cawl. Answers are hard to come by - we'll most likely be bickering when "the final answer" is delivered.