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Title: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Magman on Apr 17th, 2004, 10:19am This may be unpopular, although I am hoping it will be accepted as constructive. If I can put the words and thoughts together with caring, intelligence, and sincerity, I trust acceptance, or at least an understanding is the outcome. My first, personal order of business is an apology to Brian. He may have deleted his login, but because of what this place is, because of who we are [Clusterheads], what we suffer with, and all that we share…..I doubt that anyone really leaves for good. So to that end Brian, my apologies for the attack. Some thoughts about O.U.C.H. rearrangement…no, not the staff, but rather procedural, website, and other related items to alter the possible public/membership perception of the organization. For Brian was correct in his summary that OUCH is our voice, not for one another like ch.com, but our voice to the world. A voice that must speak volumes to the doctors and researchers, insurance and pharmaceutical companies. A voice that must be united, strong and educated to ‘handle’ those inside the beltway [government]. A case in point, and one that Brian raised in general in his second paragraph concerning persons ‘associating’ themselves with an organization that is less than professional in appearance. OUCH just recently sent a letter to the NBA player Kendall Gill of the Chicago Bulls. Should Kendall decide to actually pay ‘us’ a visit and start scanning the posts….what will be his perception? Will a person of stature, of power or money, pay us any mind when they see such drivel? What about an outsider reading all of the attacks and the flames, of which I will be the first to admit as being a huge contributor to. And then there are the Officer/BoD open discussions…..from an outsiders perception, ‘we’ don’t have it together and couldn’t dream of taking the fight where it really needs to go [OUCH peeps…please don’t take this as a ‘jab’…none is meant personally or individually, and your hard work and dedication is truly appreciated]. So what do we do and how do we move the rudder a bit to the left or right to steer clear of the rocks? Some humble opinions/suggestions……[talking points, details not defined here for brevity. If there is an interest, the details and ‘how to’ can/will be drafted and posted] 1) change the OUCH website to put our best face out there for public review a. Information, Education, Lobbying, OUCH News, etc 2) Officer/BoD meeting procedure – total revamp…a new, more efficient way to communicate…the post-it method is not the answer. 3) Professional Appearance a. Setup a tech help-line for assistance with software or hardware issues. b. OUCH business posts only….nothing personal, no cute commentary. We have ch.com for that and I believe this was Brian’s reference to a clear and concise line between the two boards. c. Never admit to ‘not knowing how’ where the public can view. 4) Doctors, researchers, Honorary Members – No access to the ‘internal’ OUCH web. Again….PERCEPTION. 5) Members can and do have the same perceptions as an outsider when it comes to ‘believing’ in OUCH. If we don’t see/hear/read our leaders conducting business in a business-like fashion, how can we have faith? Re-vamp the Member-Officer-BoD information exchange method. Not advocating ‘closed door’ sessions or policies, but searching for a solution more conducive to fostering unity while still allowing for questions and disagreement. In closing, these are but a few of the items floating around in that empty space between my ears. I offer them here as food for thought. Digest them, think, and then comment if you so choose. I wish you all peace and PFDAN’s. Now it is off on the cycle. It is the second of the first four beautiful days of spring and I am planning on at least 1000 miles worth of wind in my face, fresh air and some Heineken stops along the way. -dan |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by jonny on Apr 17th, 2004, 10:40am "Will a person of stature".......HUH? You mean "Way overly paid jackass" that would be sweeping floors if he couldnt bounce a ball. Who gives a shit what he thinks! ......................jonny |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by ckelly181 on Apr 17th, 2004, 10:53am Dan, Are there other online boards that people are aware of that could serve as an example? Might as well not reinvent the wheel if it's spinning somewhere already... Chris |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by bobkip on Apr 17th, 2004, 6:26pm Tho some of BY's points have some validity, when I started the thread I was not soliciting some pissy assed response from a supposedly perfect person that threatened to take all and everyone to court and sue them for everything they have if they dared disagree. I was just being a bit nostalgic and Barb D's response was in line with what I was looking for. BTW, Nancy got flamed for posting her Saturday funnies on the chmb. Kip |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Magman on Apr 17th, 2004, 8:52pm Thanks for the replies, and for not taking my head off to this point. ::) Quote:
It's partly my writing style bro....'person of stature' could apply to a doctor, researcher or pharm. CEO. I happened to use that phrase in connection with one individual. As to your exact comment....i must plead the 5th in a public forum. My support is now part and parcel of administrative functions for a pro team. I need to watch myself for her sake. But I'll buy the beers in Nash and we can laugh about it then. Why we should care what someone like this thinks...for OUCH and filling the coffers, it could be very important. It simply comes down to a matter of ailigning the organization with connections....not what, but who ya know. Quote:
Sorry, again my style....re-vamp was a bad choice of words. Makes it sound like I am suggesting that we make very drastic changes, when what I really mean is: ....moving some data around ....instituting restrictive logins for Docs, Reps, Professionals ....possibly BoD meetings via voice over IP or webcam ....other similar items but nothing major. If needed, I believe Gator said he ran a BB before finding us here. So for info and talent, we wouldn't reinvent the wheel. I must add....not advocating the re-structure or demise of anything DJ or Bob P have done with regards to the OUCH site. Just enhancing the way our tools are used. Quote:
Couldn't agree more. It was wrong for your thread to be hijacked [i am guilty of doing just that on the OUCH BD and now know better]. If you recall, even though I was late with my post, I took Brian to task quite hard for his diatribe and delivery. Quote:
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by cootie on Apr 17th, 2004, 10:59pm I should probly keep my big mouth SHUT but I have been 'touring' some other MB's.....stuff that pertains more to my crap. They are totally strict.......no one even answers your questions or acts like yer there for the most part (not that I say much on them at all)......no cussing......no links or you are bann'd for a week......no 'one on one' like here......you go there......you read.....ask a question or two and LEAVE !!! Kinda like internet prison. All straight up talk and nothin but ! Great for information but they have NO FAMILY feeling. Not a place to go when down and out and need a laugh or two or someone to talk to. You'd die lonely. On one MB I visited breifly a lady got flamed ta hell and back for posting a joke that 'mentiond' a nun and a priest. I got the hell outa that place........'there's no place like home Pam' |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by miapet on Apr 17th, 2004, 11:15pm I know that I'm not a part of the whole bigger picture . . but I would like to comment. I came here to learn . . .and I read and read and read . . .and when I had questions, I asked them, and they were answered. I would truly hope that this site doesn't become stuffy and impersonal. Sometimes, when a person (yes, me *g*) is at their wit's end . . .it's nice to be able to laugh and cry and giggle and gasp . . .and still be learning about the beast who has become such a big part of not just my life . . . I hope this didn't offend anyone . . .and that I wasn't out of line. . .I just think y'all do a world of good . . .and I don't want to see it become a cold and unwelcoming place . . . . miapet |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Kevin_M on Apr 17th, 2004, 11:19pm on 04/17/04 at 22:59:07, cootie wrote:
Just click your ruby (or bunny) slippers together anytime and open your eyes and those lions and tigers and bears (oooh, flying monkeys) go away. You may wake up with a nasty headache, but surrounded by a family who cares. Just keep following the yellow sick road and ride a horse of a different color pammy. [smiley=cool2.gif] ;;D Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Cerberus on Apr 17th, 2004, 11:29pm Am I correct in percieving that what magman is saying is put up a separate OUCH board strictly for the use of those we are trying to persuade support from? This is a great idea actually, I understand the logic. BY and magman are both correct if this is the idea being conveyed. There really is not reason why doctors, pharm. reps. and otherwise important officials should be able to see absolutely everything that goes on either on the ouch site or CH.com. People in a position of some form of corporate power want information and answers to the large degree all the stuff that happens here and on the OUCH board is of no consequence to them....all they want/need to know is if we have our act together and how they can benefit by supporting us. Makes sense. If it helps any leave everything the way it is but put up a front for the public to represent us in the busines world that is organized, responsible, and proper. (not saying that none of this is) OUCH is trying to grow but on many levels remains largely on a grass-roots level...I think that what these two are trying to say is if we want to play we gotta perform. just an opinion, Ramon |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Magman on Apr 17th, 2004, 11:31pm Please dont' mis-understand.......I am only talking about the OUCH BD. NOT CH.com. I wouldn't dream of trying to change 'this' board or this family, or it's spirit. We all need this place DJ created....just as it is. Sorry if I was not clear on that. -dan |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Magman on Apr 17th, 2004, 11:46pm Thank you Ramon. A pretty good analysis of one area of change. To be a player, we have to portray ourselves as already winning players to attract the attention, and thus the assistance of proment people, power-people. Be they atheletes, entertainment, government, medical, or any other profession....our goal is to fill the coffers to continue OUCH work. To be heard and taken seriously. -dan |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Mark C on Apr 17th, 2004, 11:51pm How would you all feel about OUCH members only having access to the OUCH message board only...like OUCH UK has done......hmmmmmmmm? The rest of the site, library etc would still be public, just the MB for members only.....what say you! Mark |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by cootie on Apr 18th, 2004, 12:14am I've always rode a horse of a different color so to say.....normal bores me. Never the same two days in a row Pam 8) |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Mastifflvr28 on Apr 18th, 2004, 12:22am I know we ain't even CLOSE to being perfect yet...and do appreciate suggestions. The part I don't "get" is...the members want all the ouch business public to them. They want no "secrets" or the implication that there ARE secrets. So then we are posting in the public part of the board...but that looks unprofessional (cause we don't know EVERYTHING that we want to do, or how to go about doing things...course if we did, there would be no need for discussion.) So...it's a catch 22 that I don't know the answer to. Oh...and Dan...there is NO way my connection will let me do a web cam or voice stuff...and I can't get dsl OR cable...even though I bugged BOTH companies for 10 years now :) Also, the bod/officers are trying to organize a day to do regular meetings...almost impossible. tanx Mast |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by jonny on Apr 18th, 2004, 2:57am on 04/17/04 at 20:52:44, Magman wrote:
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by BobG on Apr 18th, 2004, 4:25am Let’s see…….OUCH is a VERY young organization. It is operated on a shoestring budget. All BOD members and every other person doing any work for OUCH is a volunteer. It was started in a garage about 5 years ago. Since that time OUCH has spread around the world. How many other organizations can say they accomplished so much in such a short period of time? Is OUCH perfect? No. But, at this time it’s close enough for me. Give it time, it’s still grow and learning. The Red Cross, Cancer Society, AFL-CIO, Salvation Army, anti-smoking fanatics, Democrats/Republican/Independents, the United Way, Epilepsy support groups, Scholarship fund groups, save-the-spotted owl environmentalists………..the list can go on forever. How long have they been in existence? Decades? Tens of decades? Were they perfect and world wide in their first 5 years? Hell no! And after many decades they are still not perfect. Most importantly, are they being run by volunteers or highly paid professionals? I think OUCH and the Volunteers that are making it work are doing a great job. And I thank them. If the OUCH website is to be 110% politically correct because an “outsider” might stumble across it, if it is to be only to brown-nose doctors or CEOs then how about someone kicking in $500,000 to start a fund to hire a professional management team, hire a company with (politically correct) experts to run the website, pay a public relations company to advertise and get a professional lobbyist to prowl the halls of government. On second thought, make that a $million, for the first year’s expenses. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Superpain on Apr 18th, 2004, 5:44am Yeah! WTF!?! There's got to be at leat one multi millionaire or billionaire out there with clusters! >:( Where are you! [smiley=huh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Magman on Apr 18th, 2004, 7:37am General response.....this thread was started as a catalyst to thinking of ways to improve. It is not meant to belittle or make light of the vast amount of time and energy put forth by all of the OUCH volunteers. If I did that, I would be shooting myself in the foot, for I too, have many hours invested. Would I spend my time if I didn’t believe in OUCH? Quote:
Thanks for the input. This is a possible solution to the 'perception' of OUCH. Quote:
I have the same feeelings. Variety is the spice of life. Quote:
Just brushing a very broad stroke here, and forgive me if this has been tried and proven unsuccessful…..maybe posting the minutes of the meetings, or a very condensed/edited version of the exchange of ideas would be enough for the members. Without inserting some specific verbiage here from those open discussions, it is hard to ‘explain’ my reasoning. One thing I believe I can strongly suggest….and I do so because of personal-experience….if a member has an issue with OUCH policy, the Officers, BoD or Committee members, those issues should be addressed to the parties concerned via email. Posting such items to the MB only seems to blow an issue out of proportion. Writing style and/or the choice of words are misconstrued…not by the recipient as much as by others simply reading the post. We then have a snowball effect when one is not needed. Quote:
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I am simply trying to help it grow a bit faster, but more importantly....much easier. Quote:
In the end, I turned down the contract because my advice was too simple for them....stop whining, get on the same team, tell each other what you need and get over yourselves. Corp USA, even a succesfull non-prof does not want to hear that. And btw, an outsider, visiting their web would have never seen an issue. Quote:
I already deal with a lobbyist [a clusterhead living within 5 miles of me, so we share few a beers and war stories daily]. Although this person has chosen to refrain from joining OUCH for a number of reasons…I have not been kept at bay with regards to useful information, and more importantly….introductions to who’s who. In closing once again...... I have been, and always will be labeled a ‘rebel’. Knowing this, gaining vast agreement with many of my ideas could be a daunting task. I do it not to cause trouble, but to get the creative process flowing…to try and be better than we already are. To find a way to stop struggling and let other peoples money, influence and power help OUCH to be heard. May you all have a wonderful and pain free day. Peace, -dan |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Mastifflvr28 on Apr 18th, 2004, 9:41am I'm still tryin to think Dan, and it's not going well, but I'm really not a creative person. I can only think of arguments for ya, LOL. The email dealy...also has been tried. And that one REALLY gets out of hand because it goes something like..."I got left off the list of those emailed"..."someone emailed some other info that I didn't get"..."oops, I emailed a personal opinion of the situation to the whole GROUP but meant to keep it secret". etc etc. Make sense? It's the whole "secrets" or implying that there are secrets out there, mentallity. We were told to do all business in front of the members so that the members were able to give thier input to. I just can't see a way to make that look more professional, LOL. And we do do minutes to the meetings we do have. So, anyways, I can't think of any other effective way of running that ouch board...and as soon as you make any of those catagories "private" we'll get yelled at. I'll spend some time today searching around on small non profit businesses and see if I can catch any "ideas". Tanx Mast |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Roxy on Apr 18th, 2004, 12:01pm Taking the discussions on OUCH private is one thing I have always agreed with. Yes, it was talked about, but so many people raised hell about it.....God knows what they thought was being talked about, but there was a lot a screaming about 'secrets' and 'things going on behind the memberships backs'. My thinking is that we elect the officers and BOD to conduct business for the members. We should trust them to handle it in the way they see fit. If we don't like the results......we can change it during the next election. We don't need to be privy to every little item of discussion. Just my two cents, T |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Cerberus on Apr 18th, 2004, 1:54pm I agree on alot said here, my whole point is: Why can't we have things basically stay the same, leave the OUCH business up for membership to view so that every member can still voice an opinion and stay abreast of the issues at hand, but at the same time put up an organized front for the general public. Having worked for a corporation it was well known that internal operations were in effect a clusterfuck (pardon the terminology) but the public had NO idea what was going on behind the scenes. Essentially, the public saw one thing and those on the inside had their dealings in whatever way they saw fit. Nothing has to really change, except for the public's view of OUCH...in short construct a site containing medical research info (basically some of the info from here in the left-hand buttons), A formal statement of our organization's mission, and contact info (for donations, links to organizations, clinics, whatever who we trust and are working with us to find a cure etc.) This could provide a professional front for the public to get their attention and curiosity. All the other "perks" and "benefits" (such as CH.com and the OUCH business board) could be accessed after membership. It basically is that way already (with the exception of CH.com). It would help limit the amount of weeding out of individuals who would seek to debunk us or just create chaos and don't really need the help and support we give each other. The idea really wouldn't take much maintainance aside from updating info to keep it current and leaves the other stuff internal and limited to us and those who truly need/want help and support. Thats all I was trying to say, Ramon |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by pubgirl on Apr 18th, 2004, 2:07pm This may not be popular but actually, despite information to the contrary, this is very similar to what OUCH Uk now has as of today. We have a members board where all members can post, and we have a Support Board where visitors/possible sufferers/doctors/anyone can visit. They still have access to all the huge amount of medical info /advice/treatments etc and can ask questions which will be answered rapidly by the Trustees and Officers, all of whom are very knowledgeable. What non-members and visitors don't have access to are the sometimes weird, wonderful or completely inane ramblings of all the members either having a rant, a chat, a go at each other, or have logged on when pissed and haven't a clue what they are writing. Wendy |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Mastifflvr28 on Apr 19th, 2004, 1:00am One of the considerations for "dues" was that the business board be the "paid" part of joining ouch. All of the other info would be free...just the business board would be available to people that paid. The docs ain't gonna pay to see our business. The site has so much wonderful "public info". And that way we can keep all our "unprofessional" posts on the forums. I like that idea :) Mast |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Charlie on Apr 19th, 2004, 5:47am Quote:
The first sign of intelligence is this admission. Ain't it? Temper it if you wish but not knowing is why these places exist. My connection with OUCH itself has been minimal so I'll keep it to this. I may be missing something anyway. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Mark C on Apr 19th, 2004, 6:15am on 04/19/04 at 05:47:31, Charlie wrote:
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by Neslodine on Apr 19th, 2004, 4:26pm on 04/17/04 at 10:40:54, jonny wrote:
I know I'm new and everything, but is this what you want the general public to think about clusterheadache people and this org? I saw this show on Larry King once where some dad was on there with Julianne Moore (she's an actress in movies and from what I understndn not very bright either...maybe she'd be sweeping floors too if she wasnt in movies). So this dad is talking to Larry King and what happened was he appealed to Ms. Moore to help him out becasue his son had some neurologcal illness that affects people otehr than children--if you were thinking that it's just a child thing. Apparently her involvement alone quintupled the money coming in for reserach with one fundraiser for this disease. and it effects less of teh general population that cluster headaches. I think they said something like .005%. Like I said, I'm new but if this is your approach then maybe you are not succeeding. I read the comments from this otehr guy (a tool for sure) but what else is OUCH doing? Did you know you can do fundraising and a convention all at the same time? maybe any famus person shoudl help you. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 19th, 2004, 4:43pm Neslodine...since you did NOT give us a first name to call you by.... I read the comments from this otehr guy (a tool for sure) but what else is OUCH doing? Did you know you can do fundraising and a convention all at the same time? maybe any famus person shoudl help you. we're trying Sir...we're trying. But we really appreciate your concerns and your skills in helping us out here. Now...What can YOU do to help us out? Do you have typing skills...? and are able to dictate letters? Are you able to be a legal laison? Do you have fund-raising skills and a really good idea for raising money? Oh...also you need to be informed as to "non_profit" organizations and the skills and legal-eeze to keep them going. While I realize your post stems from a sincere desire to help...I await your suggestions. Linda |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 19th, 2004, 4:47pm The above, first... paragraph was to to be in Quote form. Sorry. Linda |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Neslodine on Apr 19th, 2004, 4:49pm My name is Holden Bromfield. My friends call me Hold. I think this magman guy has some good ideas. I'll think of some more. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by jonny on Apr 19th, 2004, 4:50pm Ya gotta love how some people will walk through the door and start telling you how shit should be run ::) And then they use my post.....LMAO ::) ..................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Neslodine on Apr 19th, 2004, 4:59pm on 04/19/04 at 16:50:03, jonny wrote:
Here's somethign else you can laugh at... You have 3 posts in this thread dedicated to a serious subject. Well, clusters are serious to me. I've lost nearly everything becasue of them. The first one is an abstract attack on an athlete who has cluster headaches and might be able to further your cause. At the very least I have compassion for him but you are saying he's janitor material. The second is you accepting drinks from someone. Does that belong here? Or is it fluff? The third is you attacking me when I have given out some ideas at least. Or I made a point worthy of the discussion? Who are you anyway? You've been here for a long time I see from your posts. Does that make you more right than me? Or anyone for that mater? Is this a support site or do you attack newbies like this as a rule? |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Donna_D. on Apr 19th, 2004, 5:03pm Uh-OH... [smiley=JAW_DROP.gif] Donna D |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by jonny on Apr 19th, 2004, 5:12pm on 04/19/04 at 16:59:17, Neslodine wrote:
I am the damn KING of this website, thats who I am Jackass!!!! Get use to it, im here everyday and have been for nearly five years......YOU!!!! are in MY house!! ...............................jonny ;;D |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 19th, 2004, 5:13pm Holden Bromfield, No way is anyone dismissing your need to help here. we WELCOME your help. We welcome your input very much. Honest. Thank you for putting name to the message, Linda |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Cerberus on Apr 19th, 2004, 5:13pm UssCerberus Reporting: [smiley=JAW_DROP.gif] SHEILDS UP RED ALERT!!!!!!!!!!! minimalize powere to decks B,C, and D and convert all power to sheilds NOW! Jeezus Dude...er, Hold! I don't mean to belittle any notions or ideas that you may have to contribute...but you are seriously asking to get blasted hard-core by one of this family's most respected, big hearted and generous members. While all opinions are welcomed and critiscizms generally accepted.....Jonny is gonna go ape shit! He has well earned his right and respect to be here. Toungue in cheek sir. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 19th, 2004, 5:19pm Actually... You are in "all" of our house. Do not come in here with an attitude. You will lose. You come in here with a question...a vent that you need to do...a sincere request...a need to help yourself... a need to help others...we are SO VERY there for you... Don't mess with Texas(so to speak) lol Linda |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Kevin_M on Apr 19th, 2004, 6:29pm on 04/19/04 at 16:59:17, Neslodine wrote:
2ndly) Yes, it is a pact that will be fullfilled at our CONVENTION where we WILL have SPEAKERS. 3rdly) I must have missed this post, the "attack" and "ideas" and "worthy" part. If you are new, then you wouldn't know who any of us are. If curious, read his 8000+ posts. My comments on point one shall be left unsaid. You know, freedom of speech being allowed and all. Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Cerberus on Apr 19th, 2004, 6:47pm UssCerberus Reporting: Wow...J-rilla held back, I'm virtually speechless. Is it over yet? :-X BRACE FOR IMPACT! ;;D ;;D Ramon |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Magman on Apr 19th, 2004, 6:56pm When I started this thread, I thought I would take an approach of trying to respond to every post, especially if there were questions about my ideas. Not that I am 'taking on the masses'. I figure if I toss something out there, I need to explain where I am coming from and 'how' I might see this all come to fruition It has been a while since my last reply for a few reasons...1) out of respect for Lee. wish I had paid attention, for this subject could have waited; 2) Mast is doing a pretty good job at making me think and Ramon is gun-ho on adding & some changes; 3) Wendy has mentioned OUCH UK and I just have not had a chance to visit it yet; 4) Charlie asks about the first sign of intelligence…and he is correct….my statement had a different meaning that I did not make clear. [2 thru 4 all tongue in cheek, so relax] So another ‘grouped response’ is forthcoming IF we all want to see this discussion continue. What I myself do not wish to have happen, and have been very careful to avoid, is any one-on-one attacks, insinuations, demeaning comments or big blow outs. I am not looking for ‘sides’, either for or against any of the ideas/thoughts presented. This is simply a discussion of opinion on 'what is our best foot forward' and 'how might it be coxed and shaped to bear fruit'. I am not looking for anyone to ‘watch my back’ here…..Holden, thanks…but slow down a bit. I believe jonny’s intelligence and understanding appreciated my response, and the two of us will, in fact, raise a few beers in Nash. It may turn out that there is no other or better way to do things at the moment. There may be a dozen things in the works, or situations I am not privy to, that may make any or all of these suggestions an impossibility. It may come down to the fact that the ideas simply suc or have been tried and failed. Whatever the outcome, the skin is thick and the understanding grows deeper each day. Thank you all for 'dealing'.......... I know I can be a royal pain Peace, -dan |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Cerberus on Apr 19th, 2004, 7:14pm Magman, All is good, your ideas are duly noted and input appreciated. Many of us have been here a while some more than others and seniority kinda spells out an unwritten rule of the board. We ALL know that tempers here flare from time to time and we are all pretty strongly minded and highly opinionated check out the archive and you won't need to see current posts to realize that. In the end even though we have our differences most of us let things slide pretty easily...you said it yourself: Quote:
Hell, many of us are too damn old to remember half the stuff we were upset about for more than a day in the first place...(group shot, ya like that? ;)) anyway, no need to apologise or repent your sins to us, we know what its all about...no harm done. I personally can't wait to meet all who attend convention and get a chance to raise a couple with you, Jonny and whomever else so desires. PF, Ramon |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by BarbaraD on Apr 20th, 2004, 6:19am Sometimes we forget that we're all here for the same purpose -- HELP! Dan, OUCH is undergoing some "growing pains" and the BOD is working very hard to alleviate them. Yes, it's taking more time than expected (Murphy's Law), but we're working on it. I like some of your suggestions. It would be better if the BOD could meet in person or by phone. Sometimes typing doesn't do the trick and someone takes things wrong. I agree about the private areas. Some of the things that are posted don't need to be public and yes, we should stay professional on the OUCH business board. Most of the "private" stuff is BORING stuff that just has to be done, so there are really no secrets. One thing we tend to forget is that the BOD is working between headaches, "real" jobs, family, etc. All suggestions are taken serious by the BOD and, as I said, we're all dancing as fast as we can. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Charlie on Apr 20th, 2004, 7:57am Welcome to our little world. Jonny is unique and more than a friend to everyone here. What this place is, is our attempt at trying to approximate a group of people standing around with a few beers...or more, solving all the world's problems as well as those of clusterheads. It works very well and I suppose it takes getting used to. There are other boards here that are more specific. I like them all too. For me, it would take a lot to get me to change the way this board conducts business. If you're lucky, you'll be here when a serious guestion or problem is addressed. It's an experience worth the wait. Stand back a bit or look around here some more. We aren't perfect but I think we do pretty damn well. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Neslodine on Apr 20th, 2004, 8:58am on 04/19/04 at 17:12:52, jonny wrote:
Whatever. But with 8000+ posts in that time, maybe you need to get a hobby. Like model airplanes or something. Linda, I'll PM you with ideas. I have lots of them. I have some family who worked at non-profits and they have given me some excellent ideas. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Kevin_M on Apr 20th, 2004, 12:01pm on 04/20/04 at 08:58:49, Neslodine wrote:
Yeah, what would a chronic sufferer be doing so often on a cluster board, constantly supporting and lending help, words of encouragement and intersplicing in humor when it is needed on a daily basis for years and years never abandoning anyone from his family in need as all the while he's felt this suffering himself for a long time. That just sounds sick. He should learn to just turn his back on everyone and care less about how clusters affect the lives of family members. What's his deal? Hasn't he heard of stamp collecting? Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Neslodine on Apr 20th, 2004, 1:59pm You are all right. I'll come up with some thoughts and do what I can to help. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Tiannia on Apr 20th, 2004, 2:29pm Dan - I have a lot of experiance dealing with that public face that has to be out there, no matter what is going on out of the public eye. The idea of "Dont rock the boat" does not completly fit as it is more like a stream that looks like it is running along smooth as day but under the surface of the calm and flowing stream there are any number of obsticales that have to be overcome. Let me know if you need someone to bounce ideas from and / or brain storm -Tia |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Tiannia on Apr 20th, 2004, 3:21pm on 04/20/04 at 08:58:49, Neslodine wrote:
Well Fuck I've only been a member of this board since October of 2003 and with almost 1000 posts I guess I need a hobby too. But I think that working full time with chronic tendencies to my clusters since July (since I have not had them a full year I can not say that I am chronic yet) and raising two kids is a big enough hobby. While still spending time here to support and get supported every day that I can because I know that I need that helping hand and shorlder to cry on and I give back as much as I possibly can. Normally it is simply with ideas or a kind work or just a "I understand".... So do not attack jonny for having those 8000+ posts because more then a couple of those posts have helped me fight this beast that just found me this last July and I thought I was going insane. on 04/19/04 at 16:59:17, Neslodine wrote:
First off, you have no idea how serious Clusters are to Jonny unless you have read everyone of his 8000+ posts. I will stop there because if clusters are that serious to you, then you will take the time to look through the archives and read them for yourself. In regards to number 2 and 3 - Yes they do belong here. Due to the fact that they changes that Dan is talking about has nothing to do with this message board. They have to do with OUCH. This CH.com MB is the place for venting and flaming and yelling and crying and sharing and laughing and just about everything else under the sun. Ideas are found here as well as Bull shit. So jonny as well as anyone else here has total right to talk about a drink at the convention and laughing and talking about ideas and BS, as well voice his opinions about someone who is very new to this board and attacked his right to be here. Welcome to CH.com, Hold. If you check the arcives you will see that there is always some sort of flaming that just about every noob gets. That is why there is a "Getting To Know Ya" Board where noobs can post is a rather flame proof room prior to jumping into straight into the fire without being used to the heat. -Tia |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Charlie on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:12am Rumplestiltskin has the answer for this you know: Take what you want and leave the rest. Works for me. Glad to have you and if you look around you'll find some good ideas about dealing with this horror and lots of support as well as a little fun. Tell us more. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by dannyboy on Apr 21st, 2004, 10:21am I'm quite an old man nelsodine, and I don't see to well since my fall, but am I seeing correctly? you seem to have swastika displayed the arm of your caracuture. I'm sure its just my poor eye sight... |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by BobG on Apr 21st, 2004, 10:27am Dannyboy! Long time no see. How ya doing? |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Bob P on Apr 21st, 2004, 12:22pm Hey Danny!!!! How the heck are you? You know, you were a lot more fun when you were a troll. Now you're all serious and only drop in once in a while. I miss ya. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by pubgirl on Apr 21st, 2004, 12:44pm Hi Danny That old bag Wendy the Brit here. Long time no see! Now Neslodine, do explain please, what is the meaning of the image on your profile? Marx+ swastika + weasel (nope, don't get it) Wendy |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by fubar on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:26pm oh God, here goes nuthin... Neslodine stepped on a land mine, and still doesn't know why, really. I'm going to try to lay this out, and I KNOW I'll get slammed for doing so, but that never stopped me before... Now, what started it... Jonny's flip comment about a basketball player. Many of us here know Jonny, love Jonny, and have come to understand Jonny. The same cannot be said for newbies, visitors, or even a portion of the people who remain here. Neslodine had a legitimate question, in my opinion. The question has been asked before. Wouldn't any rational person (who didn't know Jonny) look at a comment like that and think "What the fuck?"? I would. I did, in the past. I know better now. But the fact remains it can put people off, alienate people, and possibly (just maybe) cause someone to withhold support of our cause. It's a legitimate concern if you believe that people of 'stature' (read, 'with dough to help us out') might be evaluating us on our interactions here, and our treatment of 'outsiders' be they clusterheads or not. Now, I'm NOT flaming Jonny in ANY WAY. I think Jonny is Jonny and will always be Jonny and he is pretty damn OK in my book. Don't go changin' to try and please me, Bro. (that be a joke, btw) I think this board is fine. Sometimes I just wish we didn't have collateral damage from these invisible land mines. Every family has different personalities, and it ain’t always pretty. The important thing to remember is THIS site is NOT a public relations site, and it shouldn’t EVER succumb to pressure to become politically correct or moderated in any way. Now Holden, please tell me what the heck your image is all about. Are you calling Castro a Nazi? Please enlighten us. -Fu |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by kimh on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:40pm Hmmm. Welp..........kay. so. If ya got clusters and ya land here - god bless ya. And.........in some cases ........God help ya. ;;D I recall a fisticuffs of sorts (actually, a few of them) encountered here. No amount of "damage control" will alter the course. It runs like off-track betting. I've observed that in time the race becomes forgotton dust and swords and words become the best of friends. Belly up. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by john123 on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:40pm Quote:
The 8000+ posts is representative of jonny's dedication to ch and the people who post here regularly. Show some respect. BTW, your personal icon is really obnoxious. Is that Karl Marx in a nazi uniform? |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Tiannia on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:41pm Fubar the issue that I had was that Hold seemed to assume that this MB was what Dan was refering to make changes to. That is not the case as Dan states multiple times in his posts. He was and is only refering to revamping the OUCH message board. The fact that people are taken back by jonny's brash personality is the reason that DJ split the CH.com Message Board up so that people could post in the "Getting to know ya" portion of this message board and not be subjected to all of the Family personalities in thier full strength from the start. That area of the MB is calmer, so to speak, and people generally dont get flamed. Many people have stated that they dont want this board to change because it is needed as a place to speak their minds when there is no other place to turn to. Did jonny make me take a few steps back when I first came here? yes but as soon as I took a deep breathe I jumped right back in and spoke my mind back. This is soethign that other people choose to do in thier own ways. But personally, if I choose to post in this portion of the MB the I know that if someone does not agree with me, that there is a very good chance that I will get flamed. So what I have been told that I need a good tan. ;;D CH.com is a casual message board that allows us to belong in a place where people understand. OUCH is a professinal organization that should have a public face that is professional. Yes I agree with Dan that this is the case. But for Hold to state that Jonny's comments should not be here is bull shit. Because here is where every clusterhead belongs. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by kimh on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:43pm oh yeah - PS! DANNYBOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The lion has visited the den ;;D Missed ya poopsie! |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Leesa on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:49pm With my balls of titanium and my blast sheilds up here I go.......Ive been here and with OUCH since 01 so Ive seen the good the bad and the ugly. From where I sit this is what I see and have seen. But first I have one major question for EVERYONE- Is OUCH a business or is it just put there for show? If OUCH IS a business then run it like one! If it only has the "look" of a business should'nt be run like one due to the fact people look at what is right up front. A first impression goes a LONG way. Mo & John who formed the OUCH UK and Simon (dolly) who runs it, have done a bang up job to say the least. OUCH UK did more in 1 yr then OUCH US has done in 4. Does someone want to tell me why this is? (I know they are closer in distance and all that stuff but for me thats an excuse sorry thats just me) Ch.com and OUCH walk side by side but are two very different units. OUCH is the "business" end of things, Ch.com is the rant, rave, cry, scream, and yell end of things. So they should be treated as different units. Ch.com is the family place. OUCH is the place votes are taken and decisions are made. We have some of the best folks busting their butts gettin stuff done so OUCH US can get the drug companies and insurance compaines to pay attention. But if there is endless bickering and decisions arent made there it stays at square 1. I know everyone has a life outside of Ch.com and OUCH but good lord put the egos aside and petty bickering aside and get things done that need to be done now! Like: 1- a lawyer who knows how to deal with drug companies, who knows how to deal with non profit orgs. 2- insurance that we have to have. 3- by laws 4- someone to sign for the grants when we get them. Who knows what in the hell they are doing. OUCH cant get grant money from anyone with out these things being in place. All the other stuff like, dues & chapters etc. will fall in to place later. Like a puzzle. But there are bigger fish to fry in the above mentioned. My dad who owned his own body shop always said "you have spend money to make money." Well OUCH has moeny so why are the above things not taken care of? We have fundraisers, the OUCH store, raffles, and dues, etc. So what is the money being used for? We have a lot of folks here with hands in the "cookie jar" that need not be there. The folks that dont have their hands in the "cookie jar" that should. Ideas that come up and get shot down. Peolpe get flamed for steppin up and saying "hey I think I have CH" or just cuz they dont agree with someone eles. If you want to flame someone do it in email. It looks better for you in the grand sceme of things. The OUCH house MUST get in order for us to get what we all want a CURE!! I know its hard to do alot over the internet so why not have face to face meetings 2 times a year. Once at the convention and then 6 months later. Then everyone should be on the same page. If OUCH has to pick up the tab for these meetings then so be it. Its money well spent if things get done. Folks have taken to heart what is said in emails and get upset or pissed off cuz what was said. Email doesnt say what you REALLY want so pick up the phone and call that person. Hell I do it all the time ask BarbD, Elaine, Cat and Jayne. If I have a question Im not afraid of ask. The only dumb question is the one that is not asked. OUCH has meetings and they should but if someone cant make it, take a vote and let the person who missed the meeting know what was passed. From the old by laws it was MAJORITY vote. There are always going to be some who get their nickers in a knot, but they will get over it. IF they really want to work for the greater good of OUCH. Of course if a frog had wings it wouldnt bump its ass every time it hopped either. Get the OUCH house in order or it will fall like a house built on sand. I for one dont want to see this happen. Round here it dont hurt to have a VERY thick skin either. ;) Leesa, whos ready for her flaming now, thank you sir/ma'am may I have another. ;;D PS: this is ONLY ME speaking/ typing what ever. lol |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by fubar on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:49pm Tianna, just to be clear, again, I have no problem with the board or Jonny (at all). I was merely trying to help Holden understand things. His initial post was only questioning Jonny's tact, that's all (not the structure of the MB) |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by ckelly181 on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:52pm Hey fu - good point made about public perceptions. Personally, I think it's okay (better than okay) have to a board like this. People need to be people and this is a good place to do that. It's really the OUCH board that should be pulling in the "high stature" crowd, imho. Perhaps a bigger "It's over there..." button should be provided for that population. :) The best thing about this board is you can say whatever stupid/smart/funny/sad/happy/nasty/kind thing you want and get a conversation going. CH is part of my life, but it's not who I am...like this board. I don't want to talk about CH all the time. Don't have to here. How many times do we visit the OUCH board compared to this board? This is where the community is...and community is where it's at...yessiree... Chris |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Bob P on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:56pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by ckelly181 on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:58pm Oh hello...all those posts appeared before I added my [smiley=twocents.gif]. So, what they said... Chris |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Tiannia on Apr 21st, 2004, 2:13pm on 04/21/04 at 13:49:54, fubar wrote:
Does Jonny have tact????? :-* j/k hunny you know I love you.... :-* :-* :-* on 04/21/04 at 13:49:54, fubar wrote:
I have to agree with Chris that maybe the OUCH button needs to be a bit bigger with something that knocks people over their heads [smiley=bash.gif] to let there be a greater understanding that while CH.com and OUCH are side by side they are not interchangeable. That this site is for support and not for research and such. Not sure how to do that really here but it needs to definatly be clearer on the OUCH site. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by pubgirl on Apr 21st, 2004, 2:33pm Leesa Thanks for the compliments about OUCH Uk, which I happen (of course ;;D) to agree with. Minor point though, Simon (Dolly) doesn't run OUCH UK and has not done so (for his own personal reasons) for a long time now. This doesn't mean he is not a significant figure though. We owe him a lot, but he would be the last person who would want to take credit for OUCH Uk's successes in the last couple of years Wendy |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by thomas on Apr 21st, 2004, 2:47pm As far as Neslodine's giff goes, he's probably trying to point out that Nazism is another form of socialism, not a right wing group, like many leftists make to mistake of thinking. Nazi= national socialism. "What makes Hitler think his brand of socialism is better?" |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Melissa on Apr 21st, 2004, 2:53pm i'm not gonna post...i'm not gonna post...i'm not gonna post....i'm not gonna post.... |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by kimh on Apr 21st, 2004, 2:57pm Re: Points made by Brian: Luv, luv, luv - comebackbrian. Re: Points made inbetween: Luv. Luv. Luv...... :D Points made by the guy wit the swatshitst ka. I appreciate your use of the word "weisel"......... she reads, she reads and then read summore. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by jonny on Apr 21st, 2004, 3:24pm When some punk with less than a half dozen posts under his belt tries to use me as an example of any kind he will get whats coming to him. My first post to him was not even to him and didnt have his name in it, BUT, he called that me attacking him, gimme a break!. My second post to him was so mild that it left Ramon speechless. I should take up modle building??...The fuck got off easy if you ask me. .......................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by echo on Apr 21st, 2004, 3:38pm on 04/21/04 at 15:24:01, jonny wrote:
I thought you had OD'd on Prozac when I read your response. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Neslodine on Apr 21st, 2004, 4:37pm I think this Brian_Y must be laughing at you all right now. The swastika is on Karl Mark's arm. Thomas got it right. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Gator on Apr 21st, 2004, 4:40pm While it is true that jonny and others can be, or at least seem (No, make that be. ;;D), all but abusive to newbies, swastika boy had no business berating him like that. jonny was simply asking a fairly valid question jonny style. I get in trouble all the time for not giving a shit about what others think of me, how I act, how I dress and how I think. Far as I'm concerned what people think is their problem, not mine. I did a lot of reading before posting here, trying to get the feel for the place and most of the major players. I started out slow and when I got jumped the first time, I gave back as good as I got and got over it. Maybe there needs to be a disclaimer on the first page of the message board: WARNING: Flame Zone! Read all you want. Post at your own risk! Gator Now jonny, about that secret handshake? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by thomas on Apr 21st, 2004, 4:42pm on 04/21/04 at 16:37:20, Neslodine wrote:
Yes, my superior intellect is revealed, once again. [smiley=smug.gif] |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Gator on Apr 21st, 2004, 4:50pm on 04/21/04 at 16:42:15, thomas wrote:
[smiley=ohjez.gif] Oh, geez. Now look what you've done, Hold. Posted by: Melissa Posted on: Today at 13:53:41 i'm not gonna post...i'm not gonna post...i'm not gonna post....i'm not gonna post.... Come on Mel, you know you want to! [smiley=sgrin.gif] Gator |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by john123 on Apr 21st, 2004, 5:24pm Quote:
Must be laughing at all of us? Maybe, or maybe it's just you. Thanks alot. Interesting statement about Nazism and Karl Marx (or Mark's if you prefer), why is your business I guess. I have never seen a civilized message board that had real personalities in it, I have a feeling they are mutually exclusive. But I would like to see less people being attacked. Keeping Up Appearances is for the old country my friend. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by jonny on Apr 21st, 2004, 5:34pm on 04/21/04 at 17:24:45, john123 wrote:
Or just maybe this is Brian?...Think about it!! ....................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by Tiannia on Apr 21st, 2004, 5:57pm on 04/21/04 at 17:34:44, jonny wrote:
Gave me something to focus on rather then the ass hole I am married to at the moment. >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by Redd715 on Apr 21st, 2004, 6:29pm on 04/21/04 at 17:57:57, Tiannia wrote:
Oh boy...not another one...wishing you the brightest of blessings dear... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by fubar on Apr 21st, 2004, 8:39pm I think Jonny could be on to something. LOL. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Gator on Apr 21st, 2004, 8:53pm on 04/21/04 at 14:53:41, Melissa wrote:
[smiley=gossip.gif] Come on. Say it. You'll feel better. Truuuuuuust me! [smiley=sgrin.gif]Gator |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Melissa on Apr 21st, 2004, 9:07pm on 04/21/04 at 20:53:42, Gator wrote:
Ok, you beat it out of me,,, IT!!! [smiley=gocrazy.gif] |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by broomhilda on Apr 21st, 2004, 9:10pm LMAO Melissa you said IT!!!!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] Andrea |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by fubar on Apr 21st, 2004, 10:37pm IT just wasn't that exciting. :P |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Melissa on Apr 21st, 2004, 10:48pm on 04/21/04 at 22:37:32, fubar wrote:
Well Fubar, according to Gator, I was trying to feel better, not get you excited, LOL :) |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Charlie on Apr 21st, 2004, 11:34pm I know it's Marx but a swastika anywhere is bad taste. But that's just me. Nazis are a special case. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y?He Was Not Wrong Post by Leesa on Apr 22nd, 2004, 9:28pm I put my titanium balls away for this one. LMAO Pubgirl, thanks for the correction on Simon (dolly) Mental note taken. Thanks again dear. :-* With my balls in the closet for now, Leesa ;;D |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wr Post by Kevin_M on Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:44pm on 04/21/04 at 23:34:34, Charlie wrote:
Charlie excuse the exclusion of the whole quote please but in reference to the picture...me too. "If you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow." Lennon/McCartney "Revolution" I think mostly Lennon Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by dannyboy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:32am First of all, thanks for ditching the ye olde logo Nelsodine! And please beware of the dragons, it would be a pity to lose you in a ball of smoke as you took your opening bow. Second of all, I'm fine thank you. Aside from my eyesight. Third of all, For the love doughnuts could you keep it down a bit?! Charlie, don't you think you could keep some order around here, I see Jonny is still running amuck. Fifth of all, what you were discussing is much more important than some geriatric seeing things that aren't there. OUCH's power to lead medical science in the search for answers can't be over estimated. Back to Work!! |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by BobG on Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:00am on 04/23/04 at 07:32:17, dannyboy wrote:
Amen! Nelsodine, I know you were taking a shot at Marx but that armband is a very touchy thing. (Dang, I hate to agree with dannyboy, but in this case....what Charlie said about bad taste.) Can I say Amen here? Or will that offend someone. God forbid I'd ever want to offend anyone. |
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Title: Re: Points made by Brian_Y…He Was Not Wrong Post by Tiannia on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:23pm on 04/23/04 at 09:00:45, BobG wrote:
Somehow I dont think you have ever cared about offending anyone, Bob ;) (j/k you know I love you hun....) |
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