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Title: Bush or Kerry Post by Gena on Apr 14th, 2004, 10:17am There's a teacher in a small Texas town. She asks her class how many of them are Bush fans. Not really knowing what a Bush fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raise their hands except one boy--Johnny. The teacher asks Johnny why he has decided to be different. Johnny says, "I'm not a Bush fan." The teacher says, "Why aren't you a Bush fan?" Johnny says, "I'm a John F. Kerry fan." The teacher asks why he's a Kerry fan. The boy says, "Well, my mom's a Kerry fan, and my Dad's a Kerry fan, so I'm a Kerry fan!" The teacher is kind of angry, because this is Texas, so she says, "What if you're Mom was a moron, and you're dad was an idiot, what would that make you?" Johnny says, "That would make me a Bush fan." P.S. Before anyone flames me IT IS A JOKE! If you are a Bush fan just switch the names around!!! I am sure it is just as funny ::) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by echo on Apr 14th, 2004, 10:50am Very nice. Great flame extinguisher at the end. Hope it works. ;) BTW - I'll switch it around. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 14th, 2004, 10:51am Bush or Kerry?.......... Which ever one is going to charge me the least amount of $ to bend me over and screw me, 'cause that's what they all do. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by vig on Apr 14th, 2004, 10:53am I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said: "Anybody else for President." |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by echo on Apr 14th, 2004, 10:53am on 04/14/04 at 10:51:20, thomas wrote:
LMAO |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gena on Apr 14th, 2004, 10:57am on 04/14/04 at 10:53:17, vig wrote:
I agree - I say lets vote for Jonny ;;D - we will just write him in. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 14th, 2004, 11:02am on 04/14/04 at 10:57:37, Gena wrote:
He has enough headaches. ;;D I wouldn't wish the job of trying to direct this cesspool on a friend. ;) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 14th, 2004, 11:16am on 04/14/04 at 10:17:03, Gena wrote:
Nice Save! ;) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by fubar on Apr 14th, 2004, 11:36am :-X I almost want to elect Kerry just to see what he does with that hair (hair? can we *prove* it's really hair?) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 14th, 2004, 11:53am I liked the joke that was in the Jokes Threads. So John Kerry walks into a bar, and the bartender says, "Hey man, why the long face?" -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Melissa on Apr 14th, 2004, 12:04pm hehehehe...."long face" "Lurch" ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Kirk on Apr 14th, 2004, 12:09pm The longer I observe politicians the more I want to see "none of the above" on the ballot. TTFN |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Luke63 on Apr 14th, 2004, 1:02pm I say..put a woman in office...at least you wont have to see all these smear campaigns containing atrocious hair!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 15th, 2004, 12:37am on 04/14/04 at 11:36:30, fubar wrote:
How can you believe anyone whose facial expression never changes. Time to lay off the Botox, Dude!!! On the other hand, I'd hate to play poker with him. [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Root on Apr 15th, 2004, 12:55am What worries me is that some people actually believe in these guys political BS. Aron Burr may have been right. [smiley=smartass2.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 15th, 2004, 1:03am Jessica Simpson. Definitely Jessica Simpson. She seems to exhibit some sort of intellectualism I have not seen in a human in some time. And Ozzy Osbourne would be a good running mate. Nobody can understand the man, so he may be good in dealing with foreign policy. Uh.,,,,er,,,,,,,,,Sharon! -Scott |
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Title: A Full Bush Post by Mr.Happy on Apr 15th, 2004, 1:29am Kerry me back to the days when I got all the Bush I wanted. In the early 90's, Bush was president, and we were at war with Iraq. In the early 2000's, Bush was president and we were at war with Iraq. WTF. Say what you will, I liked the "Bill" years. Things were OK. Cheap sex was the order of the day. Monica THIS, RJ |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 15th, 2004, 5:47pm I say vote for a flower pot. All I want is the same amount of thought as is put into the medical profession: "Do no harm." How novel that would be. I'm not rich enough to vote for Bush. Dubya is a great 19th century president. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 15th, 2004, 6:53pm Vote jonny! It seems what we need is someone that will tell you what is on their mind and pull no punches doing it! My platform:::: Everyone Dies that fucks with us, National gaurd walks all our borders, Your not here legally....We drop you off Four countries away from us, I tell the 911 comition that they are just has been hacks looking for a paycheck and YOU FIRED!!!!! Fallugha (SP).......Give every Marine a map of a sector and kick every door in and kill anyone with a gun in their hands.......Nuff said! ROCK-N-ROLL!!!! ......................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by BobG on Apr 15th, 2004, 8:02pm Since this string started in Texas, might as well say this: WELCOME TO THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS ========================================= Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. After seeing the whiners along the inauguration route, the folks from Texas have decided that we might just take matters into our own hands. BTW - Texas is the ONLY state that can suceed from the Union. Here is our solution: #1: Let John Kerry become President of the United States (all 49 states). #2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic of Texas. So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic? NASA in Houston, Texas (we will control the space industry). We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States. Defense Industry (we have over 65% of it). The term "Don't mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that. Natural Gas - Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm.... Computer Industry - we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, Etc,Etc. The list goes on and on. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for cancer research, the best burn centers, specifically Brooke Army Med Center in San Antonio and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers. We have enough colleges to keep us going: U.T., Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University, Texas State University, etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway. We have a ready supply of workers (just open the border when we need some more.) We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles, five shotguns ten handguns minimum and and a bigass pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. Kids here can nail a whitetail deer at 100 years by 9 years old: boys and GIRLS. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple of Texas Rangers. Their motto "One Rioter: One Ranger." Don't need any food. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and vegetable produce and everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have. Now to the rest of the United States under President Kerry: Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only President Kerry will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes. You won't have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your communications. You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes but since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas. Signed, Texas BobG (from Vegas and doesn't believe a damned thing in the above message) 8) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by bobkip on Apr 15th, 2004, 9:42pm Ah yes... Bush. Under Bish I've seen us go from a surplus and balanced budget to a whopping deficit and my IRA drop 10 % instead of growing. YEAH! Not to mention war and our guys getting killed. Kip |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Sean_C on Apr 15th, 2004, 10:32pm I only have one thing to say........................ http://www.johnkerrysucks.com/homuke.html Sorry guys but as all of you probably know I'm a Mass-hole and believe me Ketchup boy hasn't done shit for us here, and never will. This jerk went to see if the ground hog saw his shadow and couldn't even make an appearence at the St. Patricks Day Parade in South Boston...................hmmmmmmmmmmmm shows where the Irish stand. I won't even go to what I think of him throwing his purple heart at the White House, then claiming they were somebodyelses as he prouddly displays his over his desk on Beacon Hill now..............can you say jerk. Our boys paid the price and this is what he does? I guess that should be another thread. I'm with Hap..........nothing like the taste of a Cuban in the Oval Office. No wars, economy was awesome, and my Credits Cards were still good. Damn I miss that man. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm still not sure what the next four years is going to give us. Where are we heading? What can change it? How are my kids going to be able to buy a house in 15 years? How much is my health insurance going to cost? Will there be Social Security for me in 25 years? If not why am I still paying for it in my check? Are my children going to see a man in a wedding dress with a beard walking down the steps of Town Hall? If so what should I tell them? "They make a pretty Couple"? I thought it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I don't know what to think anymore I'm confused. Lotsa love Sean |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 16th, 2004, 12:28am I think it's scary cuz we are (at least I) am voting not for who I want to be President, rather who I DON'T want to be President. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2004, 12:50am Yes...........but Texas will have Bush. No sacrifice for us at all to get rid of the lying rectal aperture who lost the election. Gee, it was decided in his brother's state...unfunding every program he promised to implement or keep. Who won't knock off 1% of his tax cuts for his golf buddies to actually pay the military enough to keep their families off food stamps. Fake-based initiatives, making sure HMOs and drug companies get the only real "benefits" from the medicare bill, refusing to fund his bullshit "no child left behind" lie, trying to kill the importation of entirely safe drugs from Canada, trying to kill medical research that isn't approved by the Pat Roberstons of the world, starve all New Deal programs that have worked for 70 years to make us the envy of much of the world, refusing to come up with the help promised 9/11 victims, actually cutting funds for veterans hospitals and care. What a patriot... and appointing that stack of shit, John Ashcroft to anything. That alone is reason enough to can the bastard. The list goes on and on and on. He’s all yours. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Mr.Happy on Apr 16th, 2004, 1:16am Chaz........ Quit holding it in. Tell us what you Really think, or you're gonna bust open. Granted.........."W" is a PITA....... I still wouldn't mind a little _Bush_ RJ |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Woobie on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:29am http://www.thoughtsonthings.com/photos/lux/bushes.jpg BUSH for Happy. Here to help a brotha out........ Tina :-* :-* |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by BobG on Apr 16th, 2004, 4:33am on 04/15/04 at 22:32:48, Sean_C wrote:
I am saying this as a veteran 2 tours of the Vietnam conflict. I was there. I saw it. I participated in it. And I learned to hate it. Therefore I am qualified and quantified to say this. I have no idea if Kerry threw his or anybody else’s medal at the White House. And if he did I don’t care. If he did it was his right to do so. He earned the medal the hard way. He earned the right to stand up as a man and as an American to voice his opinion be it for or against the war games that were going on 10,000 miles from home. He and his family had the money and political pull to have gotten him out of the draft but they did not do that. He did not buy a doctor to say he was not fit to serve. He did not join some phony religion to claim he was against war. He did not take the coward’s way out and run to Canada. He went to Vietnam as a soldier, served his time there, proved his manhood and came home. And he also learned the true nature of that war. The killing of American servicemen and women in a dead-end conflict that Kennedy, Johnson, Kissinger and Nixon refused to end but also refused to let the military do its job. Where was George Bush Jr. at that time. His daddy bought him a place in the Texas National Guard and he went AWOL. I don’t want anyone to think I’m totally in favor of Kerry as President of the USA but I’ll sure as hell vote for him just to help stop Georgie Jr. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 16th, 2004, 6:27am Three puple hearts gives you the right to request a transfer home? 4 months in and three purple hearts for SCRATCHES and hes on his way home...Yeah, he served!!!! Com'on Bob, you did 2 tours....He did shit!!!! .....................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by BobG on Apr 16th, 2004, 6:57am on 04/16/04 at 06:27:27, jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gena on Apr 16th, 2004, 10:56am http://tinyurl.com/39emp ;;D Made this at a bumper sticker site that was listed in another thread. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2004, 1:43pm Jonny for President? God that would be fun. I'm confident that the folowing wouldn't happen under his administration:: (I very much doubt the purple heart story and even if true, he had two left. They dug a lot of shrapel out of him. Did he ask to go home? I don't know but the operative word is ASK) At a cost of $8,000 Attorney General John Ashcroft has ordered that the "Spirit of Justice," a historic statue in the Justice Department's Great Hall, be covered. The bare breast of the statue seems to have caused Mr. Ashcroft to blush after having seen a photograph of him with the statue in the background. There's a male one too :o (The following are not my words) Yes, children, you can tell it's a Republican administration in the White House. First of all, they're wasting the taxpayers' money (yet again!) and second of all, it's all about sex (isn't it always?) There's a tempest in a bra cup heating up in Washington DC: Lady Justice has been busted for indecency. At least this time the damage to our pocketbooks is only $8,000, as opposed to $47 million dollars to find out the President got a Monica or two in the Oral Office. It seems our conservative Attorney General, John Ashcroft, is feeling uncomfortably titillated by the statue of Justice in front of which he is often photographed. So the buxom Lady Justice, with one round, plump charm enticingly exposed, has just been issued a dress with a price tag that would embarrass even Nancy Reagan. Apparently it never occurred to Mr. Ashcroft that it would be a lot cheaper to just move the statue, stand elsewhere, or better yet, to just grow the hell up. Mine: This is the guy Dubya picked for the chief law enforement officer to make sure libraries are PC and to poke around making sure the internet and your sexual proclivities measure up to his bizarre idea of decency. Speaking of measuring up.......no doubt that's his problem. He was embarrassed that his dick didn't come close to the statue....even in relative size. $8,000 could buy a lot soup kids. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2004, 1:46pm By the way.....I love that post Woobie :D Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 16th, 2004, 2:14pm on 04/16/04 at 10:56:10, Gena wrote:
ROTFF...Gena ;;D That is just too funny....LOL ;;D ;;D ...........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:08pm Too many opinions to quote, so I'll just post my own. #1: Bush doesn't decide what to fund - congress does and those bastards a.k.a. Democraps refuse to fund anything our president asks for. #2: Bush asked for money for the troops - Kerry voted against it. #3: Kerry never missed a day of work for those "purple heart" injuries. My dad got blasted by mortar fire and spent quite a bit time in the hospital after which he was shipped back into the fray. He was one of the lucky ones most of the men in his unit were killed in COMBAT not scratched while riding the river in a boat. #4: If Kerry saw those atrocities our soldiers were supposedly committing personally or knew of them and didn't report them, that makes him guilty of aiding and abetting a war crime which makes him a war criminal since he did not report them while they were happening. #5: Kerry wants to let the UN decide when and where our troops should be used. Dubya said fuck the UN, this is our country, our troops and we'll use them how we see fit. We have the right to defend and avenge ourselves regardless of what the wusses in the UN think. #6: Kerry wants to handle terrorism as a law enforcement problem and not as an act of war. Another president did that, hmmm Slick Willey. Nothing happened after the first attack on the WTC. He was too busy showing Monica his cigar, so they thought they could get away with it again. Ooops! Pissed of fthe wrong president. There has not been another successful attack on American soil since Dubya showed them we take no shit. He took the fight to them rather than to wait until they attacked us again. #7: Kerry is on every side of evey issue. His support goes the way of the polls and depends on who he is talking to at the time. I don't want some wishy - washy America bashing war criminal in office. #8: Kerry says companies that set up shop overseas are "Benedict Arnold Companies" While most of his wife's Heinz factories are located overseas. Does anyone see a problem with this? These are but a few of the many reasons I hope Kerry never gets into office. I don't agree with everything Bush does, but I'll be damned if I will vote for that two faced, wishy-washy, soft on terrorism, pacisfist wimp, Kerry. Someone from Mass just posted about all the good he did for them and what he did for them, he wants to do the whole country. I was in the military in Misawa, Japan during Desert Storm. I was a squad leader on combat mobility and my gear was palletized and waiting in a hanger. We were placed on 3 ring standby, which means when you are not at work, you stay by the phone. If the phone rings 4 times, your ass is courts martialed. Luckily for me it wound down without me having to get that call, but I was ready to go. Now my oldest son is preparing to ship out to Iraq. Lord knows I don't want him to go, but if he has to, I'd rather have a president in office that supports him. Fuck Kerry. I'm voting for Bush Gator |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Woobie on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:12pm GENA See what you started???? LMAO! I will not get in on this - I will NOT get in on this .... I will NOT. no no no wouldn't be prudent at this juncture! Biting my tongue --- tina :-* |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:17pm This post sucks because people are getting pretty frickin worked up about it. Stop posting. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:25pm YEEE-HAAAWWW!!! Im pullin up my boots cause its about to get deep!!!!....LMAO Charlie!!, you better give Ted a call on this one....ROTFF ;;D .......................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Major_Headcase on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:28pm [Source: Boston Globe, “John Kerry, the Making of a Candidate”, 6/15/03-6/21/03; Tour of Duty by Douglas Brinkley, Published by William Morrow 2003; Selective Service System, National Headquarter] Lt. Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star with V, three awards of the Purple Heart, Combat Action Ribbon, Navy Presidential Unit Citation, Navy Unit Commendation Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, and the Vietnam Campaign Medal. Late January through Early March, 1969 – Starting in late January 1969, this crew completed 18 missions over an intense and dangerous 48 days, almost all of them in the dense jungles of the Mekong Delta. Kerry's crew included engineman Eugene Thorson, later an Iowa cement mason; David Alston, then the crew's only African-American and today a minister in South Carolina; petty officer Del Sandusky of Illinois; rear gunner and quartermaster Michael Medeiros of California; and the late Tom Belodeau, who joined the crew fresh out of Chelmsford High School in Massachusetts. Others rotated in and out of the crew. The most intense action came during an extraordinary eight days of more than 10 firefights, remembered by Kerry's crew as the "days of hell." February 20, 1969 – Kerry and crew involved in combat; Kerry receives second combat injury – Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a shrapnel wound in his left thigh. February 28, 1969 – For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 28 February 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of a three-boat mission. As the force approached the target area on the narrow Dong Cung River, all units came under intense automatic weapons and small arms fire from an entrenched enemy force less than fifty-feet away. Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. The daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers. The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed. On a request from U.S. Army advisors ashore, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered PCFs 94 and 23 further up river to suppress enemy sniper fire. After proceeding approximately eight hundred yards, the boats again were taken under fire from a heavily foliated area and B-40 rocket exploded close aboard PCF-94; with utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed. The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission. His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:29pm on 04/16/04 at 00:50:55, Charlie wrote:
Ahhhh...very satisfying to read. Thank you. We had a recent NCLB staff meeting. The room was filled with stunned shock. Cuz, you know, absolutely every single child is capable of being absolutely perfect, straight A+, lawyer material. Chris |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gena on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:39pm OK I am soooo soooorry I posted this joke.....(not ya'll are funny when ya get goin') Unless Bush or Kerry have CH.... I could give a shit about either.... Please..... Back away from the post..... ;;D Slowly before someone gets hurt |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:40pm on 04/16/04 at 15:29:55, ckelly181 wrote:
Lawyer Material? Oh, I hope not. I want my kids to do something honorable for a living. ;;D Gator |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:49pm Now comes before us that Prick. That Prick spent a 6-month tour on a small warship off the coast of Vietnam, which service undoubtedly required him occasionally to miss a full night's sleep in his air-conditioned cabin. This "tour" doesn't even count. He spent some time Stateside, no doubt basking in his "veteran" status among pallid ensigns, then took a deep breath and returned to Vietnam. This time, he wangled his way onto a Swift Boat, which from a grunt's point of view is pretty cushy duty. It is entirely possible that that Prick actually fired a weapon sometime between Dec '67, and Mar '68, since he has made references to dead civilians of both sexes and all ages during this period. During this same period, that Prick received 3 fragment wounds from RPG's which missed him and his boat. All 3 of these were band-aid wounds (same as mine). . . . . . . . . . .Read the whole story here http://www.liddyshow.us/liddyfile39.php ........................jonny ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 16th, 2004, 3:50pm on 04/16/04 at 15:39:11, Gena wrote:
No, don't apologize. The joke was funny. It just goes back to an old philosophy of life that still holds true: Never discuss religion or politics with family or friends. I myself, normally a seriously mellow fellow, even got caught up in the fray. Sorry. Gator I may not agree with what you say, but I served for 13 years for your right to say it! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Melissa on Apr 16th, 2004, 4:04pm on 04/16/04 at 15:50:37, Gator wrote:
Used to be talkin about religion, politics or SEX was taboo...... But talking about sex is OK now!!!!! ;;D [smiley=mellow.gif]mel |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 16th, 2004, 4:14pm on 04/16/04 at 15:40:31, Gator wrote:
Oops sorry - how about rocket scientist or ... hey! Neurologist!!! ;;D Chris |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2004, 6:20pm Quote:
Right. And that horror; Tom Delay, is in charge with a solid neo-con majority and if it doesn't have an extreme nutso right wing stamp, it never gets past him without some horrible shit attached, and then almost never. The House decides and Tom Delay is it and worse than Bush....hard to believe I know. He's the one who spends all his time screaming about our moral decay and creating barbell shaped Congressional districts in Texas. They all do it but no one like this bottom feeder. Hah. Tom Delay and George Bush. Poor Texas. They can have them. It will take a long time to repair the damage they have done. Tax cuts for billionaires, underpay our soldiers and cut veterans beneifts. Shame on the GOP. Used to be a great party. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 16th, 2004, 6:59pm Whos talking about Tom Delay? ........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2004, 7:11pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 16th, 2004, 7:29pm Ok, lets kill Tom ;;D ...............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2004, 8:35pm Good idea. Not many people named Tom here though. Have to pick someone at random. :) Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 16th, 2004, 8:35pm As I said before, but this shit doesn't belong on a clusterheadache message board. Maybe a politcs message board, but not here. I know Jonny, disagree wth me. The world is too fucked up as is and we don't need to be making the "family" pissed at each other. Funny posts are cool. Informative and supportive posts are cool. The occasional newbie posts are nice too. I know I have posted a lot lately, but I have read a lot too. Politics is always such a sticky issue and it causes friends to get mad (whether they admit it or not) at each other. Stop it. You guys may be swinging at each other at the convention. Just my opinion. I am going back to writing tunes which is going awesome man. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 16th, 2004, 8:53pm Hey Scott - actually, being able to discuss politics freely is what makes this country great. That's what all these vets here fought for. It's not fun for some, and yea, it causes friction, but there are good things to be learned from what people have to say. If you notice, nobody has personally attacked anyone. Not meant to slam you either - really! You don't like this thread - this is the first one I click on. I don't personally know any Vietnam vets, so I appreciated Jonny's link to the Kerry article. Charlie's got some good points about the machinations of the US Legislature. I don't want to sound snotty, because I don't mean it that way, but you don't have to click on this topic. It is the General Posts, so it's kind of a free-for-all. Just offering an opinion. It's okay to have polar opposite views as long as you can continue to play in the sandbox together. Chris :) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 16th, 2004, 9:17pm Right on Chris. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2004, 9:24pm We've had some great political battles and controversies here. The archives are full of Me, Jonny, Ted, some of them funny Bobs, The Rev, and others....sorry I can't recall your handles at the moment. Anyway, it's been good exercise. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by john123 on Apr 16th, 2004, 9:27pm Quote:
Scott, This is the second time I have seen you trying to shut down a thread. What are you-the 'post' police? Give it a rest, man. I don't think people who share this kind of painful condition are going to develop bad blood over this kind of thing, ch's are just too profound. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 16th, 2004, 9:53pm Fuck man, once again here I go again, ruffing feathers. Oh well. My song is really coming along great. I will focus my energy into that instead of some posting on the boards. I am no policeman. Keep postin. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by john123 on Apr 16th, 2004, 9:59pm Quote:
Not really. Good luck on your song, hope to hear(read) it. John |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by stevegeebe on Apr 16th, 2004, 9:59pm Common sence is dead. Don't matter which way you lean. Knowing is better than not knowing. Steve G (Independent) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Sean_C on Apr 16th, 2004, 10:03pm Wow, this is way to cool.......... I love you guys, fuckin right keep postin', the world needs to know. Its our life and our vote and yes it counts, this is what made America great. Lets go people, why is your guy your guy? PFDAN to all. Sean |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 16th, 2004, 10:40pm Well, since you asked - I'm voting Democrat, but not because I'm a Kerry fan. Even though I know there are many issues, I'm voting in the area that directly effects me - education (and healthcare, somewhat.) Republican years tend not to be good years for schools. This NCLB shit (thanks for that, Charlie) is routing schools. It's forcing teachers to freak out about the TESTS and not focus on KIDS. It's causing school administrators to lie and schools to cheat (living this one.) NCLB is unrealistic and...INSANE. But, I don't want to get started...too much...remember, you asked! [smiley=twocents.gif] Chris |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Sean_C on Apr 17th, 2004, 12:04am Hi peepes, Yes Bush is my candidate as if the http://www.johnkerrysucks.com/homuke.html didn't give it away, unless something drastically changes my mind. Why some might ask, well I can honestly say its not because he put any money in my pocket personally, its not because my Town is suffering budget cuts that affect me personally by them raising my taxes or making me pay this year to have my kids ride the school bus. For weeks I worked in Boston and constantly looked at the Hancock Tower, and the Pru after 9/11 and said its only a matter of time. I live 5 miles from the Plymouth Nuclear power plant and every morning I see our troops out front when I leave and when I come home. These are the things I see daily. I know I supported Bush when they started this, I owe it to this Country and Our Troops to support him until its finished. I'm not like John Kerry, I made up my mind then, I'm standing by it now. I don't think we should start what we can't finish. Yes it costs money, yes some cuts will sacrifice some programs, but the American people don't like to raise taxes so cuts get made. My hope is that the war will end within the next four years so we can concentrate more on the fight at home than abroad. Things will get better folks, America just needs time to heal. I know these views are probably controversial and I don't want to upset any of the family, but for the record I live in Mass and it'll more than likely carry Ketchup Boy. If you support Kerry I'm totally cool with it, just don't ever talk to me again ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D PFDAN to all Sean |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Carl_D on Apr 17th, 2004, 12:12am on 04/14/04 at 13:02:31, Luke63 wrote:
But, if we elect a woman president, they will invent a bomb that doesn't kill - just makes everyone feel like shit - and every 28 days there will be very heavy negotiations. ;;D Peace, Carl D P.S. - Choosing the lesser of 2 evils - I pick Kerry! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Kevin_M on Apr 17th, 2004, 12:37am I saw this thread on political standing and didn't want to read it but my curiosity got the better of me. 61 posts and not a sidetrack yet. That's focused and passionate. Sixty-one without a sidetracking post!! Undecided, until late October, there, still not sidetracked. Most all states are in debt, education is underfunded but universities are making the price of education hard to reach. That's all I know for sure. Head back in sandbox. Just so long as the libraries stay open. However wins, IT'S CALLED LEADERSHIP, DO IT OR STAND ASIDE. Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 17th, 2004, 8:58am These things are almost always fun. You, who are relatively new here, have no idea of the fun we have had. This is tame stuff without Ted. I can only hope he's reading. :o ;;D The main reason I got into it is that liberals have been too nice. We don't have the lunatics on talk radio. Why it's this way is that they are good theater. Saving the Bill Of Rights is enough to vote Democrat. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/SOAP BOX.gif |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 17th, 2004, 10:44am on 04/17/04 at 00:37:52, Kevin_M wrote:
A small town in central Minnesota just closed all its school libraries due to budget cuts...but the football team lives!!! :-/ Chris |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 17th, 2004, 10:50am Kerry paid 90 grand in taxes this year. He and his wife are worth over 600 million. I paid 46% of my income to taxes. Why didnt he? .................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Jerry_b on Apr 17th, 2004, 10:53pm on 04/16/04 at 16:04:04, Melissa wrote:
I remember when "oral sex" was telling lies in the locker room. [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Mark C on Apr 17th, 2004, 11:32pm :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X http://www.drfeller.com/Mark/usaflag.gif |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by bobkip on Apr 18th, 2004, 12:38am OK OK. Ya talked me into it. Won't say which way I'm leaning, maybe y'all can figure it out. How many presidents had their election decided by a partisan supreme court, a direct result of a confusing ballot that left many of us saying wtf when we left the polling place. Yeah, even Pat Robertson didn't believe more than 2000 jews voted for him. Speaking of wtf, where did my IRA go, since retiring 1n 1999 I've watched it almost go belly up and by 2004 still not approaching where it was back then. My sympathies to my fellow retirees from then that had planned to use their IRA gains to augument their pensions and pay off some debts. And what happened to the budget surplus? We are once again in debt up to our eyeballs and all we have to show for it is.... naw not even going there. Not to mention an attorney general that thinks the constitution is something to hang next to his toilet. Oh shit, I guess I did mention it. Well, I'd say it's a matter of choices, which idiot will do a lot for us and not to us. BTW, our xeep paid 20% and our pres paid 29% in income taxes for 2003. Sure beat the hell out of my percentage. Must have been that great big tax break we all got. Kip |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 18th, 2004, 6:05am on 04/18/04 at 00:38:38, bobkip wrote:
I've seen the ballot - not that confusing. Even without the supposedly partisan Supreme Court - every major LIBERAL organization and their moms recounted those ballots and no matter which count you choose - Bush won. on 04/18/04 at 00:38:38, bobkip wrote:
Hmmm. Stock market crashed because of the dirty dealings of some major corporations coming to light. on 04/18/04 at 00:38:38, bobkip wrote:
Maybe paying millions to 9/11 families (our soldiers' families get exactly dick when their loved one is killed in the line of duty) and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Possibly? Oh, and it's not that I mind helping out the 9/11 victims families (we went way overboard, though), but since when are their lives any more important than the lives of those who choose to serve and possibly die so that others may live - Military, Police, Firemen, etc. on 04/18/04 at 00:38:38, bobkip wrote:
I've said it before. I don't agree with everything coming out of this administration. I hold my personal freedoms quite dear and these "Patriot Acts" go against the grain for me. Of course if Kerry and Slick Willey and the gang hadn't spent so much effort gutting the Intelligence Agencies, maybe we wouldn't be facing some of this crap to begin with. on 04/18/04 at 00:38:38, bobkip wrote:
Isn't this the way it always is anymore? Personally, I like the idiot in office now. At least he has the balls to make a decision and stand by it. Not like Kerry who stands on every side of every issue. "I voted for the $87 Billion before I voted against it." on 04/18/04 at 00:38:38, bobkip wrote:
I didn't fare so badly this tax season - at least not with the Federal Return. It's the Oklahoma Tax Commission that is raping me. Gator I swore wasn't gonna do it, but I couldn't help myself. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by BobG on Apr 18th, 2004, 6:35am on 04/18/04 at 06:05:59, Gator wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Kirk on Apr 18th, 2004, 8:32am Both those guys piss me off so much that if Nixon were still around I would write him in on my ballot. I can not adequately express my discust with the two of them and thier attendant hangers on. A pox on both thier houses. TTFN |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by miapet on Apr 18th, 2004, 9:07am we have to make the better bad choice |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Cerberus on Apr 18th, 2004, 1:07pm whoo boy, Lotsa stuff goin on here and taken all the way back to Nam... The Vets have alot of good points. On all Sides, I find it interesting that we would have won in Nam if there had been consistant public support for the troops committed there, politics got in the way so blame the hippies and peace lovers for that and not the gov't. I personally appreciate the effort put in by our service people during that conflict. It should also be noted that Kennedy and Johnson wanted NO part of that war, Kennedy was assasinated for his refusal to deal, Johnson's hand was forced and Nixon, well he did a relatively good job with what he was given even though somebody should have committed to all out war and finished the job. Its the public's fault you guy's hands were tied. Now...Bush and Kerry... Has anyone considered the notion that to elect a president who does not support the actions in Iraq might be a BAD idea? There still is no stable government in Iraq and to pull out now with troops committed would only leave the door open for a more radical and terrorist regime worse than Husseins! Not a concept that I am in favor of...we have the trump card now and should hold it until the Iraqi's can handle things on their own (which I doubt will ever really happen). We left Korea at a cease fire....current gov't? Messy and dangerous, We left Nam....Communists moved in and are messy although less dangerous, We did nothing in Cuba, Gov't is well...messy and not representative in the least, We left Haiti, Somalia, and Serajevo...things are still waaaaaaay fucked up in all those places. Maybe we should consider staying for a while and make sure things are done right this time. FINISH THE FUCKIN JOB! is the message we should be sending to our leaders. There really should not be any debate on this...we have sons and daughters overseas trying to work we need to let em work so they can come home. I'm voting for Jonny. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Mark C on Apr 18th, 2004, 6:21pm http://media1.funnyjunk.com/pics/0182.jpg And I ain't real pleased with a lot of stuff about 43 either! The common man is fucked no matter who gets elected. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 18th, 2004, 9:06pm on 04/18/04 at 18:21:07, Mark C wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by cootie on Apr 18th, 2004, 11:37pm 'Is it jus me' or does anyone else agree that John Kerry looks like Herman Munster ??? Not takein sides anti-politically incorrect Pam |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Kevin_M on Apr 18th, 2004, 11:59pm on 04/18/04 at 23:37:50, cootie wrote:
Some say Lurch too pam. Herman, Lurch, I watched them both. Whatever, I keep hearing a large creaking door before he walks into a room. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue isn't it? Or 1313 Mockingbird Lane Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 19th, 2004, 12:17am on 04/18/04 at 23:59:45, Kevin_M wrote:
I'd have to say Kerry reminds me more of Lurch than Herman. Herman at least had more than one facial expression. Uhhhhhhh. Youuu Ranggg? ;;D Gator Man, this has come a long way from a simple joke! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by cootie on Apr 19th, 2004, 12:55am Everytime I see his face closeup on TV I 'expect' him to suddenly crack up with that crazy laugh Herman Munster did.....but of course......it doesn't happen........does he drive a big black coffin ? Pam with big greenish goons on my mind Good grief.....a big green goon for prez !? The world may become animated !! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by BobG on Apr 19th, 2004, 4:44am on 04/18/04 at 13:07:02, Cerberus wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 19th, 2004, 5:35am I'm pretty sure the scariest looking President must have been Lincoln. Kerry would be in the running. It's easy really. Like the AMA: At least do no harm. Never have I seen a crowd that so delights in placing the burdens of running this place on the poor while seeing to it that billionaires have a way out. It's obscene. Harm. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gena on Apr 19th, 2004, 9:45am Man oh man.... Ya'll have been busy.... and for this group to stay on topic in a thread for 4 pages.... :o You guy (and gals) are the greatest love ya'll |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 19th, 2004, 10:37am Did anyone see the Sunday Morning show on CBS? A former tax collector talked about how he had to quit that job after one too many visits to people down on their luck - and how he was forced to take things like their beat-up old cars to fulfill their tax obligation. Just thought I'd share a portion of an article from this month's Esquire. It is thought-provoking (and well worth reading in its entirety...) A Simple Plan to Save the World by Jeffrey Sachs | May 01 '04 We should demand much more from the super-rich Our super-rich have pressed for tax cuts that they don't need and have run away from their international responsibilities. There are exceptions—like Bill Gates, George Soros, Gordon Moore—who have turned their vast wealth back into public service. But these great philanthropists are rare. The current arrangements, in which America's super-rich get richer while the world's extreme poor die of their poverty, will no longer do. If the super-rich don't step up to the plate, they will end up the victims of a social explosion, within the U. S. and from the rest of the world. The simplest step is to reverse President Bush's tax cuts. When "Upper West Side academics" such as I call for reversing the tax cuts, we are immediately accused of elitism, of not understanding how hard it is to make ends meet in America. But the tax cuts have dramatically worsened the prospects of the working class, not improved them. Lower- and middle-income households that supported the tax cuts have been had. President Bush told them that everybody would win via the tax cuts, though some (the rich) would get more than others (the working class and poor), simply because they pay more taxes. But this is sheer sophistry. While the tax cuts went overwhelmingly to the rich—nearly 50 percent of the tax cuts for the richest 5 percent of households—the resulting budget deficits will have to be paid for by all. If, as the White House proposes, those budget deficits are eventually plugged by spending cuts, the losses borne by the working class will overwhelm the meager tax savings they might have received. Only the richest 15 percent or so of taxpayers would benefit financially from the Bush tax cuts when the tax cuts are offset by broad-based spending cuts. The fact of the matter is that the super-rich in the United States have walked away with the gold in recent years, and they will have to be the first to pay up—to close the budget deficit, help the world's poor, and invest in an ecologically sane and sound future. The working classes are right to be ticked off, but the Bush tax cuts simply dug them into an even deeper hole. The first step of recovery would be to reverse the Bush tax cuts for the top 20 percent of households, thereby recouping around 60 percent of the revenue reduction. We should go further. For the super-high-end taxpayers, we should institute a "save the world" surcharge, directed toward helping the world's poorest people. There are around 635,000 taxpayers with a taxable income above $500,000 per year. These super-rich have a combined income of about $1 trillion, an average of roughly $1.5 million per taxpayer. If we collected just 5 percent of their income above $500,000, the tally would be about $35 billion per year for the group, or about what is needed in additional U. S. development aid to the world's poorest countries. How fitting that the world's richest people would share a small percentage of their vast incomes to help save millions of people each year from death in the world's poorest countries. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Cerberus on Apr 19th, 2004, 2:14pm Ckelly, The article is totally right. There is only one problem with the theory...The rich don't get that way by spending thier money, giving it up in taxes etc. They spend a good portion of their time trying to keep it... I'm in though Ramon |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 20th, 2004, 11:57am Do you ever get the feeling that 50% of the population of the U.S belongs to a cult? I kind of feel as if we, the other 50%, need to take the right-wing in america and run an intervention with them. Maybe we could take all 50% of the American population who still believe in the presidency of George Bush and pull them into a hotel room and say: 'he lied to you. GW Bush lied to you. pathologically. he's a sick man who lies and lies and lies. he lied about wmd's in Iraq, he lied about Enron being his largest campaign contributor, he lied about funding Afghanistan pre-9/11, he lied about the Saudi involvement in U.S foreign affairs, he lied about out-sourcing U.S jobs, he lied about not blocking the 9-11 investigations, etc.' and we can take the 50% of Americans who still believe in George Bush and say 'this isn't about party politics. this isn't about Democrats or Republicans. this is about a small sect of rabid ideologues who have hijacked the U.S government for their deceitful, narrow, atavistic agenda.' So we simplify it: GW Bush and his administration have lied to you. they've lied and lied and lied and lied. Over and over again. they are sick and deceitful and corrupt people and they're not Republicans, they're not Democrats, they're just dishonest and immoral and corrupt weirdos and we all need to reject them and move on(no pun intended).' it's so odd when you speak to right wing denizens of America and say: 'GW Bush is a draft dodging, inept, puppet and he's created the largest federal deficit in the history of the U.S and the largest federal government in the history of the U.S and he's made America a target for hateful terrorists and he's sold the U.S to oil companies and etc' and they say: 'no'. what the hell are they thinking? my request to right-wing America: go ahead, be right wing, be conservative, but wake the fuck up and admit that the Bush administration have screwed up EVERYTHING that they've touched. this is a disaster and it has nothing to do with right or left wing. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. we all need to come together and make America sane and responsible. America under GW Bush has lost its mind. -Scott (excerpts from Moby) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Kevin_M on Apr 20th, 2004, 12:13pm on 04/20/04 at 11:57:42, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Kevin_M on Apr 20th, 2004, 12:32pm on 04/20/04 at 11:57:42, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
That was of course the point of your comments? We are trying Scott but some just don't seem to get the message. Such displays as yours reminds us of how much more work there is to do. Your opinion is an eye-opener. Plans such as you mentioned are truly the way to accomplish this, I am sure if you were to implement those thoughts more people would "come around" after a display of such well debated thoughts. Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 20th, 2004, 1:08pm I sure as hell ain't rich but I did just get the largest refund of my tax witholding that I've ever gotten. Thanks Dubya. I sure hope he cuts some of those give away programs that are so abused by the leeches. Maybe I'll get more back next year. I wonder if he's sticking cigars up girls wazoos in the back hall off the Oval Office? Naw! Sorry to say that Kerry and I both served at the same time in Nam. His Swift Boat was Task Force 115. I was Task Force 116. Both Task Force's served in the Gamewarden's campaign. Swift boats mainly cruised along the coast and intercepted and searched junks. I don't know what his boat got into but I can say that the Swift Boats (PCF's) that he served on didn't get nearly as much action as the River Patrol Boats (PBR's). I just don't understand how he saw and participated in atrocities from that boat out in the ocean? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 20th, 2004, 3:42pm Bush is trying to clean up the mess he inherited from 8 years of Slick Willey and the leftist fruitcakes gutting our military and intelligence. Oh, the Cold War is over (thanks to Reagan) - we don't need you anymore! We were heading into recession at the end of the Clinton era. Clinton signed into law one of the biggest tax increases in history. We are steaming out of it under Bush and his tax cuts. The American economy is posting the best numbers since the Regan tax cuts. We were attacked by a terrorist organization and they were allowed to get away with it under Clinton, so they tried again. OOOPS! Hasn't happened again. Not only that, but other regimes that may have been a pain in the ass in the past have now backed off and started putting their cards on the table. Bill CLinton was whining, "I knew it was Bin Laden, I just knew it." Well, then why didn't he do something about it when we were attacked the first time. Why didn't he take Bin Laden from the Syrians when they offered him to us on a silver platter? Too busy geting his cigar puffed on. If outsourcing is bad for us, them it is bad for everyone, right? So lets ban it globally, Okay? If you said yes, you're a fool. America takes in more outsourcing from other countries than it sends out to other countries. There would be a hell of a lot more people out work. Let's see. Lying in office. "I never had sexual relations with that woman." Sound familiar. From the intelligence provided by Britain and the UN and the US Agencies - Everyone - the UN, Bill Clinton, Congress and we the people - Everyone agreed that there were more than likely WMD's in the country and that Sadam Insane needed to be taken out. Nobody but Bush had the balls to do it. There were 3 WDM's taken out - Sadam, Qusay and Uday. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 20th, 2004, 3:48pm I am not going to argue with you or anyone else. I just was visiting one of my favorite artists' website and he is very vocal politically and he posted that statement above, and I thought it was totally righteous. I gotta say, it seems an awful lot of cluster heads seem to be on the right here. Maybe I am wrong. Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 20th, 2004, 4:17pm http://www.pahlow.net/temp/OsamaKerry.jpg |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 20th, 2004, 4:24pm Funny picture, Bob, but he's using that reversical psychology on you. Terrorists generally rant about their goals but stay silent about their strategies, so now we have to do a little work for ourselves. If the real goal is still revolutions that bring Islamist radicals to power, then how does attacking the West help? Well, the U.S. in particular may be goaded into retaliating by bombing or even invading various Muslim countries -- and in doing so, may drive enough aggrieved Muslims into the arms of the Islamist radicals that their long-stalled revolutions against local regimes finally get off the ground. Most analysts outside the United States long ago concluded that that was the principal motive for the 9-11 attack. They would add that by giving the Bush administration a reason to attack Afghanistan, and at least a flimsy pretext for invading Iraq, al-Qaida's attacks have paid off handsomely. U.S. troops are now the unwelcome military rulers of more than 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, and people there and elsewhere are turning to the Islamist radicals as the only force in the Muslim world that is willing and able to defy American power. It is astonishing how little this is understood in the United States. I know of no American analyst who has even made the obvious point that al-Qaida wants Bush to win next November's presidential election and continue his interventionist policies in the Middle East for another four years, and will act to save Bush from defeat if necessary. http://www.node707.com/archives/000336.shtml |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 20th, 2004, 4:29pm on 04/20/04 at 15:48:18, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 20th, 2004, 4:57pm Yeah, I am through posting on this. Most of you, it seems are pro-Bush, pro-war and won't listen to what others have to say, and, if you disagree, you, curse, fly off the handle, and cause blood pressures to rise. Not worth it. I'll post on other things. I should never have brought Moby into this. He has a lot of cool opinions. He gets info from reliable sources. Check his site out at www.moby.com I am done posting on this subject. I am leaving work!!!! WHEW HOOOOOOO!!!! -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by echo on Apr 20th, 2004, 5:01pm on 04/20/04 at 16:57:18, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Miklos on Apr 20th, 2004, 9:25pm I typically abjure political posts, but this one has turned into such a debacle that I cannot resist a comment or two. No political argument has a completely correct answer or a completely correct position, no matter how vigorously it is presented. It has only adherents of a single point of view that cannot tolerate another’s opinion. None of the “facts” in this post are 100% correct; the facts, often from biased sources, are used to buttress the arguments of the poster, usually with the volume turned up to nine. I just love the bold print used to emphasize an argument. If I “bold” it, the argument must be true. I have particularly enjoyed the poster who reminds me of the woman who wrote to the Dallas Morning News last year and confessed that she would have to vote for a Republican politician even though he publicly admitted that he had lied to the public and to his constituents. She just could not envision herself voting for any other candidate because, if they were not Republican, they were not trustworthy. But then, what do I know? I am a Yellow Dog Democrat. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Sean_C on Apr 20th, 2004, 9:35pm Nice post Bob....still laughing ;;D Sean |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 20th, 2004, 11:49pm Quote:
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Again; lying in office about a blowjob does not compare to the mountain of bullshit from this crowd. Never has anyone needed a blowjob more than George Bush. Screw someone other than the working poor. All you need is to look at the horrors he appoints to realize how little he cares for you and me. A horrible example of a human being. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 21st, 2004, 1:16am I've never been more disturbed to have GW Bush as our president. 'terra( that's his way of saying 'terror'), see, freedom, they hate freedom, we hate terra, terra and freedom, no freedom, no terra, terra terra terra. freedom. terra.' he's such a dimwit. i mean, come on, even you right wing types must be dismayed by bush and his administration at this point, right? how can you support this man? Never has there been a less qualified president than Bush. I actually feel that defeating him in november would be doing him a great service so that he can go somewhere peaceful and think simple thoughts about birds and trees and evildoers. it still stuns me that: a) we have such an obvious half-wit as our president. b) we have such a lying, inept administration supporting him. c) 48% of americans think he's doing a good job. to quote Rabbi Krustofski: 'oy vey'. -Scott (I know I said I was done posting....oh well). |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 21st, 2004, 2:02am Keep psoting Freddy. It's important to let Carl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Perle know that George may have a sexual experience every time they speak but not us. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 21st, 2004, 8:00am LOL Yeah. This post may keep going until Novemeber huh? -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gena on Apr 21st, 2004, 9:25am on 04/21/04 at 08:00:32, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 21st, 2004, 9:37am on 04/21/04 at 09:25:51, Gena wrote:
Very cute...next time start with a blonde joke... [smiley=laugh.gif] Chris - who is learnin' lots from this thread... |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 21st, 2004, 3:20pm on 04/20/04 at 23:49:46, Charlie wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 21st, 2004, 7:04pm Quote:
This argument is much less true today than in decades. Since the welfare reform act rammed though in the 90s, everyone but those who truly need it benefited. Corporate welfare is nothing but abuse, and an order of magnitude more costly. Women are more careful today than ever but the far right thinks we should follow inflexible, larcenous TV preachers. In my 57 years, I have never seen anything that displays a level of ignorance like the ridiculous notion of abstinance. Idiocy. Quote:
Right. The government is bigger now than when Reagan was in charge. (Bush makes me miss Reagan. At least he had his foot in the door of reality. He knew what it was like to be poor) The wasteful stuff with Bush startles everyone on both sides. Quote:
Actually, I see no way Bush & his ilk could have been able to prevent 9/11. So far, they did all they could. This thing looks silly to me. It isn't likely to change much. The weapons of mass destruction thing has proven to be a fraud. If they'd just admit to a mistake, it might look better. This is what happened with Nixon. Bush's moral compass: Yes. Those damn Christians.........or so-called Christians. The religious right has wrecked the long-standing libertarian stance of the party and they won't stay out of my bedroom, library or admit the idiocy of creation "science." Scientific stupidity has become a prerequistite to be nominated and very very dangerous. Historically, it's the people who describe themselves as having clear cut moral compasses that are the most dangerous. Bill Clinton is not unique. This goes back to our beginning. A womanizer who lies about it in the White House is far less dangerous than someone who thinks we should follow him blindly anywhere he chooses with no questions asked or thinks we should trust him only with the Bill Of Rights. The right wasted more than 40 million dollars prosecuting Bill Clinton because he got a blowjob. The GOP has no right to run on fiscal responsibility. They love to draw our attention away from the real world to nonsense like school prayer, flag desecration, and gay marriage. This stuff is used to deflect attention from the important issues. Quote:
The thing is, the extreme right spends most of its time in character-assassination trying to kick people forever out of the box. Even in the party, there is increasingly little room for diverse views. An example this dirty politics in the extreme would be the disgusting job they did on Max Cleland who lost his seat because of vicious attacks. The neo-cons don't care that the well-liked Cleland lost his legs defending his country. It's only important to add another extremist to the list. Shameful. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 21st, 2004, 7:18pm Heck Charlie, you only have to put with Dubya for another 4 1/2 years. It will pass before you know it. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by pubgirl on Apr 21st, 2004, 7:30pm I've got a really good solution! You can have Tony Blair instead. He isn't too popular over here at the moment, and he tells us the American public love him ;;D Wendy and he's got crappy hair too which he has started dying. When a politician starts dying his hair, it's time to vote them out. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Cerberus on Apr 21st, 2004, 8:29pm Quote:
No....no they didn't, they ignored direct warnings and essentially refused as did Clinton Bin Ladden wrapped up for them in a nice neat little package. The U.S. Government failed TWICE to get him litterally handed over to them. Ironically, Both parties are to blame. Ramon |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 21st, 2004, 8:33pm on 04/21/04 at 19:30:26, pubgirl wrote:
I don't know about the "Americans love Tony Blair" bit, but you're right. Once they start dying their crappy hair - time to go! ;;D Gator |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 21st, 2004, 8:38pm My goodness, I think I finally saw a post where someone spoke intelligently about the atroscity of the Bush administration. I know this is a message board that gets silly, and crazy, and people like to rile others up. I get all riled up. I know. People sense it, and go with it. I get home from work, and unwind and can reflect over all the postings. Feeling a little more relaxed. I am obviously not in favor of Bush (duh!!). I am not for Kerry either. I don't like the way the leadership is heading and who we have as choices. I listened to an hour-long speech a few weeks ago by Ralph Nader. Now I know he is not a viable candiadate. He is not going to win and is not even in the hunt. But I listened to him. He is not serious about running. What I found was that he is serious about bringing issues to the attention of Americans. Important issues. Issues to make you think about. I was moved actually. Now here we go. Bash Nader-time. Go on. Bash him. I dont care. I am way too tired. I love America. I really, really do. I love being able to travel at free will, being able to work (ha! if your lucky), to have friends, to have a lot of the freedoms given to us. I love sports, and movies, and art, and the list goes on. I hate knowing that Brian, a friend, joined the reserves so he could become a state trooper, and was sent to Iraq shortly there after. His wife gave birth to a beautiful girl a few weeks ago. He was sent to Iraq. They let him come home for 2 weeks. I sat with him a few weekends ago. With a 2 day old baby. I later found out he is stationed at a base in the Sunni triangle as an MP. He isn't in the urban combat, but he has to go out occasionally and clean up the aftermath of bombings. I sat with this guy who had to fly back in a few days to go do this. I felt awful for this nice young man. I feel bad for these men and women. I only get the basic news (local, CNN, FOX). The news reports always starts off with 5 US marines were killed in Iraq, etc... I am saddenned. This is a no win situation we are in, and it is costing young, brave people. People with families, kids, lives. Good people. I found out last year by certain prominent actors and well-known celebrities that speaking out against the war made you a target as being Anti-American. I think that is wrong. I actually feel that while, yes, we have the freedom of speech, that it is in some ways not really there. I really do love this country, but I am afraid I do not like the path we are heading on. I am tired and am going to bed. I have posted a lot on here today and I am done (for the day). By the way, I have emailed several people on here who have been slamming me, and you all have been awesome. This board is great. Even though we are publically going crazy (well....I am ) you guys know its just fucking politics and it gets stupid and whatever. Have a PF night people. People of all beliefs. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 21st, 2004, 9:27pm Dunno Bob. Not sure the country can handle 4-1/2 more years. I'll do my best to prevent that. This guy is dangerous....ala John Ashcroft. Yes....we like Tony Blair over here. I only hope that when he and Dubya are together, the PM does all the speaking. It's a hell of a contrast. I like how they handle him on Dead Ringers. They do a great job. I really don't know what anyone could have done with the intelligence we had. It's easy in hindsight. This is hard stuff and hard to imagine that it was possible. We did try a couple times though. Should have done better. It was never easy. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by forgetfulnot on Apr 21st, 2004, 9:35pm Aahhhh, juicy fruit.................. Lee |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:16am This is a simple question for me. Anyone who supports amending the Constitution to delineate who I am allowed to love, support and cherish does NOT get my vote. Anyone who believes that his religion trumps my right as an American to legally bind my primary relationship does NOT get my vote. Anyone who will amend the Constitution to basically state that I am NOT capable of deciding who can inherit my estate free of taxes, or who can visit me in the hospital, or who can carry out my last wishes when I die does NOT get my vote. All of you fundies can bring out your tired old "Adam and Steve" comments all you want. Your right to your religion stops at my front door. Believe what you want, I won't deign to decide for you who or how to worship, but how dare ANY of you feel it is your right to decide who I can love, and whether my right to enter into a legal contract with my partner is to be decided by your church. In the eyes of the law, a marriage license is nothing more than a legal contract, it is not a religious ceremony. I won't demand the right to marry in your church, I feel it is only fair that you not demand the right to choose who I can marry. And before it even starts, I am not talking about marrying a relative, an animal or a toaster. I am talking about two consenting adults (to make it germaine to the board, one clusterhead and his supporter) who wish to make a responsible step to solidify our relationship. This is why I won't vote for Bush. If he sees me as less than human, I don't see why he should get my vote. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by pubgirl on Apr 22nd, 2004, 3:39am Wow Charlie You have Dead Ringers there? TV or Radio?. I nearly wet myself when they do the Russell Crowe Gladiator and Tom Bell Doctor Who set-ups! There was also a really, really funny one with Nigella Lawson filling in a Tax Return Sorry, all this will mean nothing to anyone else! Wendy P.S. Bob told me (thanks Bob) that there is going to be a new Doctor Who with Chritopher Ecclestone as the Doctor. Can't wait! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 22nd, 2004, 7:47am Wendy: I get BBC America here. BBC News, all the old Britcoms along with some newer stuff. Bargain hunters and all those DIY type things. Tons of building and landscaping stuff, some interviews too. Old Monty Pythons come on in the middle of the night on weekends. Dead Ringers runs late then too. I don't follow it religiously but I like it when I see it. They do a great George Bush and some very funny fake news personalities. Right now, I'm having a good time because Vicar of Dibley is running at 2:00 pm every day. Believe me kids, I hope you get a chance to see this thing. It's the silliest thing ever put on TV as well as the funniest. I and my friends are big fans. I wish they had done more of them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.....yes. Yer right Wendy, they probably won't get this either. :D Charlie and his farting duck :o |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 22nd, 2004, 8:18am BBC America has got some good shows - The Office is a riot, I didn't know the Dilbert Dimension was a universal. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by pubgirl on Apr 22nd, 2004, 8:24am Charlie and Floridian The Vicar of Dibley (it's good but not anarchic enough for me, Father Ted is more my style!) my favourites are: The Office Father Ted Only Fools and Horses The League of Gentlemen Black Books Blackadder series Fawlty Towers Red Dwarf All an acquired taste I think! Wendy |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 22nd, 2004, 8:31am When Callifornya's current Governator runs for Pres in 2008, will the Kennedy's endorse him? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 22nd, 2004, 8:40am Eastenders and Ballykissangel, two of my favs , oh yeah, I like Black Adder too. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Melissa on Apr 22nd, 2004, 8:44am Quote:
I LOVE Father Ted!!!! I really miss watching that show.... Ever since we switched to cable, we don't get BBC America, which sucks. I love British humor, and have had a taste for it ever since the days I'd stay up late as a kid, secretly watching Benny Hill. I also absolutely adore Ab Fab and Mr. Bean (I love Rowan Atkinson). |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by pubgirl on Apr 22nd, 2004, 8:47am Mel OH MY GOD! BENNY HILL! Pervert! He and "Are you being served" give Brits a bad name! ;;D Perhaps we should have a new thread "Our favourite Sitcoms" On second thoughts, this is stopping people talking politics ;) Wendy |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 22nd, 2004, 9:00am on 04/22/04 at 02:16:38, PittsburghJoe wrote:
I agree with you 100% and totally understand why you wont vote for Bush. I went vote for Kerry because I'm tired of being called an extremist, because I believe in God and believe that a person should be punished when they commit a crime, I believe that a person should carry their own weight, for that I am called mean-spirited. I don't want anything from the government, except roads, water, a military force to protect me from foreign enemies, and a police force to protect me from criminals, make sure I have comparable rights to any U.S. citizen. All of this has to be paid for with taxes. Now, what I pay in taxes far out weighs what I get in return. I'm tired of supporting people in this country by having my money stolen from me, that's right I said stolen. And not even getting a thank you in return. At least I know that if Bush is re-elected, my taxes will probably not go up, but if Kerry is elected, they are sure to rise. I'm sick and tired of every candidate for every public office, using my money to buy votes, ie programs for somebody/anybody. What ever happend to the pride of earning something and being proud of your accomplishments, oh right, I forgot we quit rewarding excellence in the school system back in the early 90's. Yes I am a conservative, I am not, however a Republican. They suck just as bad as the Democrats. We have let these two parties screw us over as a nation for so long.......... it maddens me to think of the true spirit our constitution was written and the wreck of a country we have become. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by pubgirl on Apr 22nd, 2004, 9:04am but not for long........... ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:14am on 04/21/04 at 20:38:57, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:34am on 04/22/04 at 02:16:38, PittsburghJoe wrote:
Whoa Kimosabe. I don't think anyone here (at least very few) has anything against your right to choose a partner. From what I've seen, this is a pretty much laid back, you do your thing and I'll do mine kind of crowd. I certainly have nothing against you. I have a son who is gay. My wife and I love him no matter what. We have spend long hours talking with him - not trying to straighten him out, but to assure him that he is wanted and loved and supported by his family whether he was gay, straight or purple with pink polka dots. As much as I like Bush, I have a some things against him as well. I like his hawkish America first stance. I do not necessarily like some of his personal agenda. I really don't think you are going to get a fair deal no matter who gets into office at this point. The genie's been let out of the bottle and the so-called Moral Majority is going to take the polls. And where goeth the polls, there go also Kerry. Trust me, you are every bit as human I our eyes here as anyone else. Gator |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:44am Hey Gator, Sorry, didn't mean that as directed toward anyone in particular (though I did see one ridiculous Adam and Steve post). I wrote that quite late last night and, having read some thing on here I didn't really agree with, I was a bit inflamed. God bless you for treating your son so well. My parents, too, have been very supportive of me through my life. I'm not really a single-issue voter, but I will refuse to vote for anyone who carries this "protection of marriage" banner. If these people were so serious about protecting marriage, they would outlaw divorce. If they were so serious about following Levitical law, they would outlaw shellfish, blended fabrics, women being in public during their periods, and the many other things their Bible tells them are abominations. Instead, they use the politics of division, and make gay and lesbian Americans into the enemy of the people. And many of these neocons are all too happy to let that happen. Great to hear from someone with some compassion and humanity! Even if we don't agree on everything discussed here, that's part of what makes this country great, that we have the right to disagree. Cheers, Joe |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:14pm For people who don't understand why this issue is so important, let me tell you a little story. This was nothing to do with religion. This has nothing to do with your beliefs. This ONLY has to do with inaliable human rights that any of us would except to be able to have when it comes to the person we have chosen to spend our lives with. I had a very dear friend who was gay and had been with this partner monogamously for 17 years. They both new that they were HIV positive and over the 3 years that I knew them both became active HIV. They struggled for almost 2 years with one in the hospital at any given time and the partner not being allowed to go see the other. Near the end, myself and a few other friends and family members went to the their house to cook simple meals for them that could be frozen and clean the house and shop and such so that they could have an easier time. When my friend passed, this partner was in the hospital and the family decided not to inform him that Steve had died. I was so very angry that they felt they had the right to keep this information from him. The idea of having legalized gay marriage allows for 2 people in a consensual adult relationship to enter into a legal contract, file taxes together, make medical and or financial decisions for their partner if they are unable to make those decisions for themselves. What right does anyone have to say that the only people who have the right to enter into this legal contract be solely a man and a woman. Where is the break between religion and law when it comes to this point? Because I have yet to see anyone give me a reason why this should not be allowed that is not based in a religious belief. Gator, I have to agree with you that it really does not matter at thispoint who gets into office at this poijnt because both of these men I know will vote against it. It still does not mean that it is right. One should never go to the polls to vote on an issue without thinking of is right for everyone and not just thier peronal beliefs. The decisions that you make at the polls are the desicions hat effect everyone in the City, County, State, or Union that you are a part of. and just as not everyone is happy with evey decision that is made in a big company, the Board of Directors can not make good solid finincial and business decisions based on thir personal beliefs but what they feel will benefit the compnay as a whole. ok I will get off my soap box for now. ;;D -Tia |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 22nd, 2004, 1:19pm Quote:
That's because marriage is a religious ceremony. There is a lot harping about separation of church and state. Problem is, this country was founded on Christian beliefs and to escape religious tyrany. The founding fathers put a lot of reference to God in everything they did. Congress began sessions with prayer. The Bill of Rights was intended to keep the Government from controlling our freedom of religion, not to keep religion from guiding the Government. My Bible speaks of a man leaving his parents and a woman leaving her home to be married. I believe that is the way marriage was intended to be. I believe that things should function in the way they were intended. To do otherwise in unnatural. Sex and marriage between a man and a woman is natural. I do not judge nor condemn. It's not my place. I'll leave that to my Boss. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 22nd, 2004, 1:31pm Again, I am not a Kerry-supporter, but anything to keep Dubya out of the oval office. the bush administration are trying to throw dirt at senator kerry's military record. with that in mind i wanted to reprint this article from todays associated press. needless to say it infuriates me that bush and his administration(none of whom apart from colin powell served in combat duty)would question the military record of someone like senator kerry who served valiantly and was wounded three times in battle: Kerry's Military Records Show a Highly Praised Officer By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: April 21, 2004 WASHINGTON -- Records of John Kerry's Vietnam War service released Wednesday show a highly praised naval officer with an Ivy League education. With Republicans questioning his service in Vietnam, the Democratic candidate for president posted more than 120 pages of military records on his campaign Web site. Several describe him as a gutsy commander undertaking a dangerous assignment in Vietnam and detail some of the actions that won three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star. Kerry's most harrowing experience came during the nearly five months when he commanded a swiftboat along Vietnam's Mekong Delta. The future Massachusetts senator was commended for gallantry, heroism and valor during the tour, which was cut short when Kerry was wounded three times and sent back to the United States. Throughout his four years of active duty, Kerry's superiors gave him glowing evaluations, citing his maturity, intelligence and immaculate appearance. He was recommended for early promotion, and when he left the Navy in 1970 to run for Congress, his commanding officer said it was the Navy's loss. The lowest marks Kerry earned were the equivalent of average -- in military bearing, reliability and initiative. But narrative comments from his commanding officers said he was diplomatic, charismatic, decisive and well liked by his men. "Intelligent, mature and rich in educational background and experience, Ens Kerry is one of the finest young officers I have ever met and without question one of the most promising," wrote Capt. Allen Slifer, Kerry's supervisor aboard the USS Gridley, where he served his first tour in Vietnam but was far removed from combat as an electrical officer. Kerry's education included Swiss boarding school, and he won speaking and debating awards and was class orator at Yale University's commencement. He lettered in varsity soccer and lacrosse, fenced, had a private pilot's license and had experience sailing and ocean racing. Kerry traveled throughout Europe in his youth and spoke fluent French and some German. His supervising officer later commended him for taking it upon himself to learn Vietnamese. Kerry cited his sailing experience before the Navy when he volunteered to command a swiftboat, a 50 foot-long craft that could operate at high speeds in the rough waters of Vietnam's rivers and tributaries. Some critics have questioned whether Kerry's injuries were severe enough to warrant his reassignment to the United States. The records briefly describe shrapnel wounds to his arm and thigh for the first two Purple Hearts, but they don't detail the severity of the wounds. On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's craft and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, ran down the man and killed him. Kerry and his men chased or killed all the enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, the boats were again under fire, but Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men. He won the Silver Star "for gallantry and intrepidity in action" that day. Two weeks later, Kerry was engaged in another fire fight that resulted in a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam. Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard in the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety. In April 1969, Kerry was sent stateside to the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, in Brooklyn, N.Y. On Nov. 21, 1969, Kerry requested that he be released from his commitment to serve actively until August 1970 so that he could run for Congress. He was promoted to full lieutenant on Jan. 1, 1970, and soon after was discharged from active duty and became a reservist. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 22nd, 2004, 1:36pm Quote:
For many people it is. But I was married by a judge in my parent's home, not by a cleric in a church. When we moved to Europe, my wife and I had a ceremony in a church to re-affirm our commitment in front of my wife's family and our church community. But the first (non-religious) marriage was entirely real. And when a couple emigrates to the US from another country, we don't ask them if their marriage involved a religious ceremony. The government recognizes marriage conducted by every religion, and those involving no religion. We only ask if they have the civil paperwork filed and approved. The US government does not register baptisms or confessions because they are purely religious. Marriage is not. Inheritance, power of attorney, guardianship of children, jointly assumed debt, and other matters are legal issues for civil courts. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by john123 on Apr 22nd, 2004, 1:37pm Quote:
Bob, I agree with you alot of times. But I gotta disagree this time and especially on one of your basic premises. I don't think we know the way things were 'intended' to be, and I don't even think your religious documents are clear enough to abstract that. We don't know that gay men or women were not intended to be gay. For instance, hermaphodites- what was 'intended' in this very physical sexuallity mix-up produced by nature. I just don't think it as easy as say it should be this way and not that way, people and nature in general are just too complex. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 22nd, 2004, 1:38pm Bob, That's all well and good for you. I respect your right to believe as you do. But you seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. If marriage is a purely religious institution, then the governemnt should be out of the marriage business altogether. Conversely, if you believe your church should have a say in the matter, then your church should pay taxes. Actually, there are plenty of churches who recognize that some people form primary relationships with people of their own sex, and will confer the blessings of marriage on those relationships. It is only the gonvernment that does not recognize this relationship. Also, there is no requirement by the government that a marriage must be solemnized by a church ceremony. Atheists are allowed to marry, as are convicted felons, as long as the physical plumbing is right. I hate to break this to you, but a marriage is about more than how the body parts fit together, or about the fertilization of an ovum by a sperm cell. The world is laarger than many religions will recognize, and it's time that our government accepts this fact. Apparently situations like the one Tia describes above are the way things "should" be. Adults are apparently only capable of having control over their own lives as long as they are good Christians. Funny, but I don't buy that line of bullshit. This is America, and we should be free to pursue our happiness as we see fit, not by the confines of an institution that selects who is worthy of that privilege. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Melissa on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:10pm 1. 2. 3. Sex tappin fingers.... [smiley=bag.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:27pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by JJA on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:28pm Pittsburg Joe, I admire your self control. I would be furious if I were you. I can't imagine why someone would want to deny you of your rights, but you deal with it like a pro. -Jesse |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:31pm on 04/22/04 at 14:28:06, JJA wrote:
Yes he is very nice and "in control" of his emotions. I hope Joe has not taken offense to anything I've said, because I believe that what some one does in their bedroom is their business, as long as it doesn't involve minors. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:41pm on 04/22/04 at 14:28:06, JJA wrote:
Thanks jesse, but really, it's something I'm used to. After living in the Bible Belt for a logn time as a kid, and being closeted thru 7 years in the military, I've learned a lot about self-control. Also, to my mind, anger is a waste of energy. Most people haven't really had to think about these issues because it's never been something they personally had to deal with. In this complex world, it's much easier to just label something as "doesn't apply to me, it must be unimportant, please shut up and go away" rather than have to face the reality of it all. It's also the easy way out to pick a few bible verses and say that's all you need to know in life. Also, my life is pretty decent, all things considered. I have someone in my life who I love and who loves me, with a relationship that is 6 years strong and no end in sight. We're closing on the purchase of a house next week, a first for both of us. He has a good job, and I'm looking for one. Our health is great, our families accept us, and we have a great group of friends. In other words, our life is pretty much like any other couple. Unfortunately, our government doesn't see it that way. Conservatives want government too small to see in the boardroom, but small enough to fit into the bedroom. And hell, like any other couple, after six years, our favorite thing to do in the bedroom is SLEEP! Anyhow, thanks for the kind words, Jesse. It's a struggle to maintain composure sometimes, and my monitor has heard some shouting, but as I said, anger is a waste of time. I'm here to learn from others and let them learn from me. And that can't happen when presented in an angry way. Joe |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:45pm on 04/22/04 at 14:31:21, thomas wrote:
Thomas, thanks for the thumbs up! And hell no, I haven't taken offense. Remember bud, I'm a clusterhead, so this skin is pretty darn thick! Besides, I reserve the right to be wrong about something once in a while, so how can I be offended if someone sees things a different way? I'm not a complete lefty, I do have views about some things that I agree with the right about. There just aren't a whole lot of them. [smiley=laugh.gif] Joe |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 22nd, 2004, 2:53pm 3. Hey, a hat trick! But, seriously, it's nice to read a very civil conversation about this explosive topic. I come from a strict, conservative, religious background, and understand the underpinnings of Bob's viewpoint. I also have many gay friends who are very vocal, passionate, and strong advocates of marriage rights. I don't know that people in my "real" life would be so civil to one another... Chris - ...felt like a bomb was going to explode for a moment there...or the internet was crashing or something... |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 22nd, 2004, 3:01pm Agree with Joe. I ain't gonna argue about the right and wrong. I just profess my beliefs. Like I said, the judging belongs in someone elses hands, not mine. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 22nd, 2004, 3:31pm Ok, Deep thoughts from, The king ;;D If i was gay I would be (Unlike Joe) kicking somebodys ass!!! Its all about the love, no more, no less (In my eyes) .............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 22nd, 2004, 3:32pm Jonny, I KNEW there was a reason they call you The King! You ROCK! Joe |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 22nd, 2004, 3:35pm on 04/22/04 at 15:31:47, jonny wrote:
Mine is always available for kicking. lol. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 22nd, 2004, 4:09pm I cant reach that high, therefore I would just have to shoot you ;;D .......................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by eyes_afire on Apr 22nd, 2004, 7:13pm Quote:
Totally agree. It's downright embarrassing. That's why I'll probably be voting for one of the other several candidates on the ballot. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 22nd, 2004, 9:23pm Is Gary Coleman on the ticket? Oh wait that was California. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:14pm on 04/22/04 at 13:19:31, Bob P wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by stevegeebe on Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:21pm It seems to me that it's about a feeble attempt at social engineering by both parties. These people really think we're stupid and think we need their help to explain how and what we should believe and think. The best part of any politician drivled down their mama's leg. Just build the roads and defend the borders. Steve G (I) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Gator on Apr 23rd, 2004, 6:55am on 04/22/04 at 13:36:10, floridian wrote:
This is true for me as well. My wife and I were both in the Air Force, stationed at Misawa Air Base, Japan. Our "legal" wedding consisted of us both showing up at the legal office together on our lunch breaks, signing a piece of paper and going back to work married (after a long lunch of course). We did have a church ceremony to satisfy her need for a religious affirmation and to allow our friends to be a part of the celebration of our union, but we were married at the legal office her in her blue duty uniform - me in my camoflouge battle dress uniform (BDU's). I was still in full police gear including my 9mm Baretta and police radio. What a lovely couple. Beauty and the Beast. Gator Takin' a trip down memory lane! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:56am A couple of things: This country was founded by very clever men who were not at all bible-thumpers (some of them hated it a lot of the time, Jefferson for one) and a good number of them had tenuous connections to Christianity at best. They went out of their way to keep it avialable rather than necessary........and lucky us. Gay marriage legislation is a non-issue like the wars on drugs that are dragged out at election time to deflect attention from real issues and sleazy shit cooked up in Congress. It's worked beautifully for years. My views on religion are that I have no problem with hanging up stuff, nativity scenes or whatever presumptuous assumption is your affliction so long as I don't trip over it and that it doesn't get in my way. Here at least, it hasn't done much harm so far. Have fun. I do have a lot of problem when the Jesus Jolly crowd or the other side diverts millions of dollars and wastes so much time litigating and screaming about it. Do something useful with all that cash, buy some diagnostic stuff or computers for someone who needs it and don't clog up our over-taxed courts with this nonsense. This really pisses me off. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 10:02am In 1781, Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence and later the Nation's third President, in his work titled `Notes on the State of Virginia' wrote: `God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God. That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.' On November 11, 1620, prior to embarking for the shores of America, the Pilgrims signed the Mayflower Compact that declared: `Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian Faith and honor of our King and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia,'. The first prayer in Congress: September 7th, 1774 Jacob Duche Carpenters Hall, Philadelphia "Lord our Heavenly Father, High and Mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech thee, on these our American States, who have fled to thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent on Thee, to Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. all this we ask In the Name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior. With few exceptions, the early American settlers from Europe were Christians. During the 18th century, when the American colonies separated from England, the Founding Fathers spoke of "nature and nature's God" in the Declaration of Independence. Many who signed the Declaration and, subsequently, the United States Constitution, were Protestant Christians, some of whom founded Bible societies in their spare time. Peace be with you my friends! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 10:14am Yeah, they also didn't allow women to vote and many were slave owners. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 10:16am "Jefferson’s brand of Unitarianism did not differ much from Deism. In his scheme, God was the creator of the universe, of man, and of morality; but the idea that God was an active presence in the world he dismissed as mere superstition. As for Jesus, although he was the greatest moral teacher, he was not divine, nor was he the anointed servant of the divine. Not surprisingly, the adult Jefferson never uttered a word in prayer. Like many other Enlightenment thinkers, Jefferson saw the sum total of man’s religious past as one long line of crusades and persecutions piling abuse upon abuse and spewing rivers of blood. The only way to end such violence, he concluded, was to bring religion into line with reason, as he himself had done. Supposing "belief to be the assent of the mind to an intelligible proposition," he regarded those who based their beliefs on a faith or a sacred text as relics of a less enlightened time, and he simply refused to accord those beliefs any respect. "It is too late in the day," he scoffed at Trinitarians, "for men to sincerely pretend they believe in Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three." from http://www.deism.org/jefferson.htm |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 10:36am Thoughts on separation of church and state: Why does the military have chaplains? Why do they build churches on military bases? Why does the Pres. put his hand on the Bible at innaguration? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:02am Quote:
1 & 2) to provide a service to men and women in uniform who are interested. In addition to Christian clerics, the US government employs a variety of officials from other religions. I do not see this as a violation of church-state separation as the government is not favoring or establishing a religion - GIs (Government Issue) are largely dependent on the military for food, housing, entertainment, and other aspects of their life. It would be wrong of the government to deny them religion, or to require it. 3) Tradition and personal choice. Two presidents have chosen to affirm instead of swearing an oath. George Washington chose to add the phrase "so help me God" to the end of what the Constitution prescribes, and most president's since then have chosen to do the same - I don't see any problem, it is a case of each president making it personally meaningful. If we had a Jewish president, don't you think they would put their hand on a Torah? Or a Hindu with the Bhagavad Gita, Rig Veda, or some other scripture of theirs? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:19am Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:35am Well, the government provides videos and vcrs for the crews on submarines. Does the fact that one of those tapes available to the submariners might be "The Passion of Christ" mean that they are thus promoting a religion? I don't think so. Passion of Christ is available as a choice at Blockbuster, I don't think of the local video rental place as promoting religion. If the commissary sells a newspaper or magazine (maybe at a subsidized price that involves tax payer revenue), does that mean that the military endorses what's written in the newspaper or magazine? Or just that the military is providing a neutral function by giving people some choice? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:42am So then it should be ok for governments, state, local, fed, to build churches on public school grounds as long as they don't make kids go inside or it should be ok for the gov to put crucifixes or a Star of David in the school cafetierias as long as they don't make kids worship? Really don't want to split hairs here. My point is that it's a religious service funded by the Gov. via taxpayers dollars hence spitting in the face of 'separation of church and state'. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:08pm on 04/23/04 at 10:36:51, Bob P wrote:
The military also recognized Wicca and Druidism as a valid religion and that really stirred up the shit for all of the christians around the country stating that Military based where going to allow people to dance around naked under the full moon sacrificing chickens and other what not stupid ignorant connotations about what Pagans actually do in their Rituals. There where many christisan who where a part of my marriage ceremony and non of them where offended or taken back by how it was done and we were extremely tradidtional under the beliefs of the older traditions. (similar to the Christian denominations). on 04/23/04 at 11:42:56, Bob P wrote:
So actually answer your question. The reason that military bases have chaplins is so that service men have the oportunity to practise their beliefs. It is not that they are forced to belief one specific way. That is why your religioun is placed on your name tag so that your religious beliefs are followed at the time of your injury and or death. The fact that these men and women are serving their counrty is what allows for government funds to be used to have these services availiable for thier servicemen. It is not a slap in the face to anyone. As people as a whole would be more offiended and upset if the military bases took all of that out and said "oh well if you die there is not reason to care what belief you have and how if shoul be handled." |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:16pm Nowhere in the constitution does it read "separation of church and state." It says :Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:24pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:30pm Separation of church and state is a slang term developed by the anti-religion left showing their contempt for the intelligence of the general population, by assuming that if the say it's in the constitution, we will belive that it is, since about 95% of us haven't read the damn thing to begin with. You can include members of congress in that 95%, at least from what I've observed over the last 30 years or so. Just my 2 cents. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:32pm Your partly right, Thomas, the Constitution does not contain the term "wall of separation" (nor does it contain the term "checks and balances"). But the "wall of separation" describes a government that neither establishes nor restricts religion - ie, they keep out of religious affairs just as if that were separated by a physical barrier. The term "wall of separation" was coined by Thomas Jefferson. Is he part of the vast liberal conspiracy against religion?? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:39pm on 04/23/04 at 12:32:47, floridian wrote:
I don't know if he is or not, at my next seance, I will be sure to ask him, though. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 12:47pm Why do you have to wait for a seance to ask him? You just said that Quote:
The term was developed by Jefferson. By your words, you must believe he is the leader of the anti-religion left. Here's a copy of the letter in which Jefferson first (as far as we know) used the term. It was written to a group of angry Baptists who wanted to know why he would not proclaim a series of National Days of Prayer and Fasting. Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:12pm on 04/23/04 at 12:30:02, thomas wrote:
Actually Thomas I am extremely religious and am far from being the "anti-religious left". But I do applauded a separation of Church and State because of the fact that I have Pledged my Allegiance to this Nation, to protect me and my fellow Americans, no matter of their beliefs. As there are many people who feel that Paganism is unholy and thus evil, there are many people who openly still persecute people who practice my beliefs. If I was in a different county I would not be "out of the Broom Closet" so to speak. I spent time in other European Countries and had to be very careful in what I said and did and was not allowed to wear my pentacle openly when I was out in public as requested by my hosts. As my life and liberty as well as that of my children would not be protected by other nations. Quote:
I believe this is what I said in my first post. That the people who are in charge and succinctly, the people who vote laws in, should be looking to the well fair of the nation as a whole and not just making decisions based solely on their comfort zone. Bob P, I can understand that to you and many others the term of Marriage is Sacred. Would you be totally against a "Civil Union" that would allow gay couples to enter into a legal contract so that medical and financial decisions can be made if their partner is unable to make those decisions for themselves? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:27pm Floridian and Tia, you are both missing the point, whenever there is a religious problem in the news, some jackass says "The separation of church and state, clause prohibits this...........yada yada yada." I'm just pointing out that the constitution does not contain the words "separation of church and state". And yes the term is bandied about quite a bit more on the left side of the isle than the right. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:34pm Quote:
My beliefs go along with Dubya's on this. Marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman. To extend that same title to unnatural pairings only serves to cheapen and disgrace my state of marriage. Grant some kind of 'social or civil partnership' to the gays, give them the tax breaks or whatever. Actually I'm a flat taxer. I'd like to see the Gov throw out the tax code and just charge a flat 5% or even 10% on everyone's gross income. No deductions, no loopholes. So the answer to that question is no, I would not be against that. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:43pm Yes, the left bandy the term about, because some on the right have no respect for the Constitution. In 1802, a group of Baptists were trying to get the President of the United States to use the powers of his office to establish religious practices. 202 years later, the situation is the same. That is the fundamental split in America. If people stopped trying to comandeer public high school graduations and turn them into prayer ceremonies, there would be less bandying. If people didn't demand that religious iconography like the ten commandments be put in public schools and courthouses, there would be less bandying. If religion was left to the churches things would be fine, but some churches want to use government to promote their ideology and religious laws. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:44pm on 04/23/04 at 13:34:54, Bob P wrote:
Clusters aren't migraines. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:46pm on 04/23/04 at 13:43:39, floridian wrote:
When, where, and with which church has this ever not been the case? PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:57pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 1:58pm Quote:
Joking, right? Not all churches want a theocracy. I have been to several churches that respected the idea of the Sabbath - they taught that the right thing to do on Sunday was rest and pray. But they did not support 'blue laws" that made it illegal for most people to do business on Sunday. Blue laws take a religious law (observing the Sabbath) and enforce it using the police power of government. People who believe otherwise and exercise their liberty to open a business on Sunday are arrested and either fined or jailed. Bow to the Christian laws they have enacted, or you will pay! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 23rd, 2004, 2:22pm Sorry to burst your little bubble guys, but there is NOTHING "unnatural" in my relationship with my partner. We live, we work, we eat, we sleep, we laugh, we cry, we have good times and bad, and yes, on occasion we actually have sex. It is that last part that the fundies can't seem to take their mind off of, and yet have the audacity to call US sex-obsessed. I will be satisfied with nothing short of full equality. You can call it civil union, you can call it marriage, you can call it Bob Smith if you want. The simple fact remains that your religious beliefs do NOT trump my right to have full equality in the eyes of the law in my primary relationship. But guess what? If Dave and I DO get a civil union, if we DO have a ceremony in a church, if our families DO celebrate our union along with us, I can still say we're married. I can still call him my husband. And there's not a thing you can do about it. Maybe you can satisfy yourselves with your superstitious mental image of us burning in hell for all eternity. If that's what it takes to get your rocks off, or to feel so superior, go right ahead. It's funny, the man Christians are supposed to emulate said NOTHING about homosexuality. And yet, so many of his followers can't seem to talk about anything else these days. All I know is there is nothing I could do to change my sexual and affectional orientation. It is as much a part of me as being right-handed or having green eyes. I could teach myself to write with my left hand, or wear color contacts, but that doesn't change those simple facts about me. By the same token, I could marry a woman and produce children. But that wouldn't make me heterosexual. And all of you who think this is something I could change, would you be willing to offer up your sister or daughter to help me turn away from this heinous "sin"? I thought not. Joe |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by echo on Apr 23rd, 2004, 2:35pm on 04/23/04 at 14:22:12, PittsburghJoe wrote:
You can have my ex-wife. ;;D On second thought, that POS would entrench you deeper. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 23rd, 2004, 2:36pm on 04/23/04 at 13:34:54, Bob P wrote:
So let me see if I have this right: Your marriage is so fragile, that if I were allowed to marry my partner under the law, your marriage would become meaningless? Man, that must be one supremely messed-up relationship you're in if it can't withstand someone you don't even know entering a relationship too. Maybe you should try counselling. I know my relationship with Dave is strong enough to withstand the couple next door getting married. It's even strong enough to withstand bigoted people calling me names. Imagine that! PS to Jonny... Angry enough for you? Joe |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 2:40pm on 04/23/04 at 14:35:42, echo wrote:
LMMFAO, echo. [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 2:56pm on 04/23/04 at 13:58:36, floridian wrote:
Only somewhat. By church, I presumed a religious organization, not a building you went into where people worshipped. Religious organizations have, throughout history, taken advantage of opportunities to exert their influence through the medium of government. The example you cited was a bit extreme. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 2:56pm Quote:
Tsk, tsk. Staring to lose that cool the other mentioned. Having an off day Joe? Sexual relations between same sex people is unnatural. You don't have to too smart to figure out what a penis and vagina were designed for. We'd have an awful lot of species becoming extinct if all the males ran around fornicating with the males and all the females with the females. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:04pm Quote:
According to the biology literature, ~10% of sheep are gay. Is that unnatural? Did God design things that way? Or is their hypothalamus just different, as scientists believe? http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993008 And if it the hypothalamus, what does that say about the unnatural state of people with cluster headaches?? If procreation is the purpose of marriage, should post-menopausal women be allowed to marry? Should men have to pass a sperm test before they get approved for marriage?? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:07pm on 04/23/04 at 14:56:46, Bob P wrote:
Not having an off day, just fighting fire with fire here. To use your clever little statement above, same-sex pair bonding has been observes in hundreds of animal species. It's MUCH more common than you seem to think. And before you start with the usual fundie spin of man being more intelligent than other animals, let me ask you this: Do you think your attraction to women was something you learned, or did it come naturally? I'm assuming it came as naturally to you as same-sex attraction came to me. I didn't learn it, I wasn't "recruited" and in fact I fought against it with every fiber of my being while I was growing up. It still didn't stop me from having my first crush on a boy in my second grade class. It's just the way I am, the way I was CREATED, whether you like it or not. Secondly, I am not advocating for ALL people to marry someone of the same sex. I don't think there's any danger of extinction here. I somehow doubt that legalizing marriage for same-sex couples is going to make the US into one gigantic gay and lesbian orgy. There will still be a majority of people being heterosexual, a smaller percentage being bi- or homosexual. All I'm advocating that that people face reality. I am not exactly like you. Face it, accept it and move on with your life. Legal marriage for same sex couples takes exactly NOTHING away from your relationship with your wife. You will still love her, she will still love you, your children won't magically become promiscuous homosexuals, and the sun will rise again in the east. Just as the people of Holland, Denmark, Belgium, Canada and other nations that actually respect the idea that their adult citizens are capable of making their own legal decisions. The world didn't end for them because their gay citizens became equals. It's like anything else. Your right to throw a punch ends at the point where it meets my nose. And your right to preach your religion doesn't mean you have the right to make me listen. Jeez, live and let live, man. Follow your bliss. Do no harm to others, but do what makes YOU happy. Stop trying to be the morality police and teach by example. Joe |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:09pm on 04/23/04 at 13:58:36, floridian wrote:
No shit huh?, thats news to me. I think they were much better when Ozzy was singing for them ;;D .............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:11pm I will use my cluster headache induced psychic powers to predict that nothing good will come of this thread. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:15pm on 04/23/04 at 15:07:47, PittsburghJoe wrote:
Will they be selling tickets to the above?, and can I bring my own beer? GO LESBIANS!!! ;;D .........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:17pm Quote:
True. But one reason the American experiment is unique is that we made a break with the Church-State relationship that was accepted in Europe. Some people wanted to make Washington the king. He wouldn't hear of it. Some people wanted to make the Episcopal Church the state church. Instead, we agreed on a constitution where the government would be independent of religion - it wouldn't push religious beliefs, and it wouldn't tamper with the churches and their myriad of doctrines. Interpretation of Constititution has varied over time and place, but there has always been some type of wall, as well as tension between the theocrats and the separtists. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:18pm on 04/23/04 at 15:09:08, jonny wrote:
Ha ha. I was wrong. Something good did come out of this thread. Dio was all right, though. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:19pm Quote:
Not THAT Sabbath!! Studying biology at an early age convinced me that heavy metals are toxic and should be avoided. Just look at what happened to Ozzy... ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:25pm on 04/23/04 at 15:07:47, PittsburghJoe wrote:
The first time I saw a woman's body naked, that I can remember, I got this feeling of absolute awe and devine inspiration, I knew that I had seen God's most perfect creation. So no I didn't learn it. And if another guy feels that way about men, oh well, he can't help it, just like I couldn't, (and still can't) ;) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:26pm on 04/23/04 at 15:18:18, CJohnson wrote:
Somebody had to break the tension, what is this page 8? Dio Rocks too! ...............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:30pm on 04/23/04 at 15:25:32, thomas wrote:
We used to call that a "boner". ;;D PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:33pm Quote:
Somebody noted that this thread might continue till November. Yesterday I heard that there are several possible scenarios where neither candidate gets a majority of electoral votes, and the election is handed to Congress. Wouldn't that be fun?? Does the Congress look to the popular vote for an indication, or do they ignore the people and vote their party? This thread could be extended indefinitely!! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:38pm on 04/23/04 at 15:33:07, floridian wrote:
The decision would likely be made on the basis of furthuring the objectives of the decision makers. Something tells me the popular vote is a very small part in determining those objectives. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:44pm Is there a CH record for how many pages a post has gone on for? -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:44pm Oh sure, just when we were having fun you guys go right back to slinging around the big words.....LMMFAO;;D Oh well, I think ill go down to the meds board and try and find a snakeoil salesman that needs a boot in his ass ;;D See ya ........................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:47pm on 04/23/04 at 13:46:56, CJohnson wrote:
Yes. Pagans, be they Wiccan, Shaman, Druid, etc. It is part of our idiology to not apostolize our beliefs. We will answer questions that are asked about our beliefs and will defend them if they are attacked, but none of us will go out and attempt to turn convert anyone. Most of the pagans that I have met in my 15 years of following this belief system will state that when they read or talked to someone about the beliefs and discovered that they were beliefs that they already followed. Specifically for me, I was taking a calss on world religions my Sophmore year in College and while reading the Bible, the Koran, the Satanic Bible, we also read the Witches Bible Complete and Guild for a Solitary Practitioner. While reading the last two books, I realized that the fundmentals of the belief system where already a part of my daily life. I was simply presented with a name for what I already was. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:48pm Is Nader running? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:51pm on 04/23/04 at 15:09:08, jonny wrote:
You see right through distorted eyes, you know you had to learn, The execution of your mind, you really had to turn. The race is run, the book is read, the end begins to show. The truth is out, the lies are old, but you don't want to know. Nobody will ever let you know, When you ask the reasons why. They just tell you that you're on your own, Fill your head all full of lies. The people who have crippled you, you wanna see them burn. The gates of life have closed on you and there's just no return. You're wishing that the hands of doom could take your mind away. And you don't care if you don't see again the light of day. Nobody will ever let you know, When you ask the reasons why. They just tell you that you're on your own, Fill your head all full of lies. You bastards! Where can you run to? What more can you do? No more tomorrow; life is killing you. Dreams turn to nightmares, heaven turns to hell. Burns out confusion, nothing more to tell. Yeah. Ev'rything around you, what's it coming to? God knows as your dog knows; (bog/god) blast all of you. Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, nothing more to do. Living just for dying, dying just for you Yeah. [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=me&mb.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:53pm Quote:
Nah, it's more like a stroll or saunter. He'll never catch up to those other guys. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:55pm on 04/23/04 at 15:53:30, floridian wrote:
Cute...I'm just wondering if he'll have enough presence to muck it all up again. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 3:56pm Well....as usual....the topic has drifted way off the subject heading, so I am here to bring it back. I do wonder, and maybe ask your right-wing friends, if there were a democrat as president who: A) had been captain of his cheerleading squad in high school B) had missed 1 year of his questionable, privileged military service C) had lost 3 million jobs during his presidency D) had started a war that no one supported and that cost $150 billion dollars and hundreds of lives E) had alienated all of our allies F -had created the largest federal deficit in the history of the u.s G had created the largest federal government in the history of the u.s H) had a hard time telling the truth and routinely embarrassed himself and his country and his office during interviews and press conferences due to his inability to coherently string two sentences together. would they still support him(aka gw bush)if he were a democrat? please, ask your right-wing friends. and no deflective rhetorical answers from them, please. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:00pm Quote:
True. But it still doesn't make it "natural" (the way nature intended). My comment wasn't about love or marriage or partnerships, I simply said that sex between same sex partners is unnatural and it is. Love is a whole different thing. Heck, I love you Joe. Interesting thing about the abnormal hypothalamus in gay sheep. Who knows? Oops, forgot to answer your question. I grew up interested in females. I feel the way Thomas describes about the one I've been married to for the past 28 years. I don't doubt that you were born with a preference for males, i.e. you didn't choose it. Still doesn't make it natural though. I bet those rams ramming the rams don't do much to carry on the species. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:02pm on 04/23/04 at 15:56:10, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:02pm on 04/23/04 at 15:56:10, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
Are you dissing cheerleaders??????? You think you've got it Ohh, you think you've got it But got it just don't get it Till' there's nothing at AaaaaaaaAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaallllll... Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa... Chris jammin' |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:05pm on 04/23/04 at 16:02:46, ckelly181 wrote:
I warned him, Chris........ those guys can usually take anybody on the football team. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by floridian on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:09pm H_Freddy, you just don't get it. He's NOT a democrat. Lemme explain. When Clinton screwed around with Monica, that was wrong. Marriage is sacred blah blah blah. The Democrats are moral degenerates blah blah blah. When Newt Gingrich visited his cancer stricken wife in the hospital to tell her he found another woman and was dumping her, that was puzzling, not to be emulated, but not wrong. And certainly nothing to loudly denounce. Ted Kennedy's womanizing is shameful, but Bob Packwoods is not. Clinton's evasiveness on his drug use shows he is a doper, but Bush's refusal to answer questions about his use of cocaine are not important because it was all long ago. There are principals at stake here. Conservative-Good. Liberal-bad. You need to listen to more talk radio, Dude! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:10pm Hey this site even shows a photo of Dubya as the cheerleader. http://zhongwen.com/bush/ -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:13pm on 04/23/04 at 16:10:00, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
Hello ........ Earth to Scott, I would quit bagging on male cheerleaders.......... they are usually the most in shape dudes in any college atheletic dept................ Hello........ are you listening????????? or do you want a bunch of buff dudes that toss chicks around all day like paper airplanes to come show you how much they really are a bunch of whimps?????? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:13pm With all the whining left wingers around, this country needs a good cheerleader. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by PittsburghJoe on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:23pm on 04/23/04 at 16:05:33, thomas wrote:
And most of them want to take EVERYBODY on the football team! [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:24pm Hey.....c'mon!!!! Just let Dubya retire and become a cheerleader instructor in Texas. He might actually have the credentials for THAT job! -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:26pm on 04/23/04 at 16:24:41, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
psssssttttttttt Freddy, I'll meet you in Nashville, I'll be the 6'4" 250 llb guy with pom-poms. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by CJohnson on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:34pm Sir Thomas, were you or somebody you love, by any chance, a cheerleader? PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:37pm Thomas, I'll be that guy who posted once on this thread who said all teachers should carry guns. So I will pull up in my Humvee with my AK-47s, RPGs, and some back up troops. [smiley=laugh.gif] -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:40pm on 04/23/04 at 16:13:15, thomas wrote:
Besides I di dnot know one guy ont he cheerleading sqwad that complained about grabbing cheerleaders butts all the time. How many guys can do that without getting slapped? |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by thomas on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:42pm on 04/23/04 at 16:37:26, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
Hey, now a little intellectual integrity here, don't be baggin' on us right wingers then comin' at us with guns. The NRA protects the rights of the whacko right only, pal. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:43pm Isn't this fun? ::) One of the neat things about being a child of the 50s is that about the only religious TV program of somewhat real national significance, was Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. He was fascinating and intelligent. He knew how to hold an audience. His little half-hour studio show was educational on so many levels, not just full of inflexible doctrine and politics. He knew better. It was an adult program but even kids loved him. We didn't care what his church was. He kept us smiling. He had a dirty blackboard on which he drew strange diagrams, charts and some almost unintelligible drawings which he used during his wonderful lectures on everything from the Brooklyn Dodgers to Psychiatry. He was always breaking his chalk and chalk dust was everywhere. He was a terrible artist and made fun of himself on every show. By the end, he would loosely tie in topics with some faith. He was pretty strict with doctrine probably but liberal with ideas and he didn’t let us know it. He wasn’t John Donne but he made it interesting. We were encouraged to think and question many things. He kept light years away from politics. This is why he survived on network TV for many years and kept millions interested. He didn’t ask us for money or to stump for Catholic politicians, or to hound heathens. My family loved him even though we were not religious. Perhaps we were though by religiously watching him. Celebrate our good luck that we live where we don’t really pay too much attention to extremists on the pulpit nor run out the door with torches and pitchforks.....at least most of the time. Lets keep our eyes on the ball. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 4:45pm on 04/23/04 at 16:37:26, HypnoticFreddy wrote:
You will need more than that.....Cause I'll be with him ;;D ..............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by forgetfulnot on Apr 23rd, 2004, 5:07pm And then she said "nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"................ ::) Lee |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 5:29pm President Johnny, I will bring my Ted Nugent tapes and my crossbow too and I will be sure to not get in the way of the alpha-male. -Scott [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 5:31pm Does anyone remember Tony and Dannyboy? I think we have a combo of the both going here.....LMMFAO ;;D ............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 23rd, 2004, 5:45pm Quote:
Nock off the gay marriage bashing it's far too stupid for us. Just about every species has a good percentage of homosexuals or homosexual behavior. It may be by design but it’s the luck of the draw and probably just sloppy engineering. No one chooses this. It's too hard. What's unnatural is marriage of any kind. Monogamy isn't natural for humans. Jerry Falwell’s head nearly explodes over this issue which is an excellent reason to take an opposite stance. Here’s hoping it will divert his attention from rewriting textbooks. Vote for someone who thinks bashing in our bedroom doors is a bad idea. You people are watching too much 700 Club. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 5:52pm My, My! Charlie, it's got nothing to do with gay marriage. Show us that open mind that you profess and read the atatement for what it says. Don't read your stuff into it. It doesn't take a mental giant to know it is fact. Man, you get any more left you're gonna go full circle and wind up on the far right. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 23rd, 2004, 6:13pm It's just that like a flag ammendment, and wars on drugs, this crap is dragged out to divert attention. They all do it. This crap gets in the way of serious stuff. See? Here I am. Probably did read more into your post but it's still not unnatural. Calling it uncomfortable is closer. Someone has to be left on this board full of rootin teutons. ;;D Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Bob P on Apr 23rd, 2004, 6:23pm Well I'm off to the midwest for the next week so you guys will have to carry this one without. I do thank you all for some real interesting personal insight into some of the people here. Shut down them tornados, have my cheese head ready, here I come! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 23rd, 2004, 6:38pm http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/WEIRD THREAD SMILEY.gif Take care Bob and leave yer laptop at home. No fair polishing your prose on the road ;;D Enjoy making those crop circles. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 6:40pm I wish in this country one was not either labled as "left" or "right". What about "up?" or down?" No seriosuly. Bipartisan government, I know check and balance, is not working. Other tickets, like independants, green party, etc. is much-needed. I REALLY respect Ralph Nader. Perhaps the 2 or 3 people who have posted on this thread who appear "leftist", might think that Nader takes away the votes from the Democrats. Perhaps. that is a valid point. But just listening to Nader and what things come out of his mouth make you think. He is the one who says, "get involved". "Do something", "Join you local community government", etc. But we honestly should have more valid parties. The green party is a good example. They just don't generate the interest. We need more voters period. I dont want to be bashed but isn't it like only 55% of Americans voted in 2000? And I KNOW the 18-24 yr old group is really low. I for one, just by this post am researching the topic and my ex-girlfriend joined the Green party. I may do the same. For some of the people who posted (name withheld), who said I am doing nothing, because I don't like our President and I am anti-war (freedom of speech and thought is what makes our country kick ass!), I am going to do something to prove to myself, and feel good about what I am doing, and contributing. Because now, insetead of "verbal masturbation", which seems to happen a bit here, I AM going to do something for my country. Get involved with the government. Even at a local level. Even if I joined a local town board. But no, I think I would like to join the Green party. I would feel real good about myself to actually get involved. I am more interested in politics (not this bantering shit on here) than I have ever been. 9/11 had some personal ties to me. I was shaken as we all were. But I did not have much interest in politics. I should have. But it had to take an awful event to get me involved in such a serious topic. There a lot of people here that whenever I post they shoot right back at me, and I have learned the CH-board scene, and it is pretty fun. I take it with a grain of salt. Something I DIDN'T do, some months ago. Cheers. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:15pm Join the Greens but vote realistically. Voting for Kerry is the only way for Bush haters to get him out. Some years ago, a right wing political pundit said "don't vote." Too bad so many on the left took his advice. The right always votes in larger percentages becuase they know they are out-numbered. They hope and pray the left stays home. Sadly, lately, they have. You are right. A Bullmoose party would be great. Theodore Roosevelt's Progressive Party wiped the floor against the conservatiives in his old party in 1912 just enought to let Wilson get in. Wison left a lot to be desired though. Theodore (no one called him Teddy to his face) did us a service in the long run. A Theodore Roosevelt is needed in my old party. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by eyes_afire on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:27pm http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm (BTW... Charlie will LOVE this. I sure do.) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:29pm Yeah think about that...if indeed it is something like 55% voted in 2000 (I am sure a Google search could get that #), then what is the problem? Why aren't we voting? As I said, I had little interest in politics until 9/11. Well. I had little interest in voting. Bad, very bad I admit. Well, that is certainly no more. I will gladly fill-out a form at work to take an hour out of the workday to go to the local voting venue. OK, so I contributed to this outrageously low number. I ask why? My only lame answer is I didn't care for either of the realistic candidates. It is the lazy way out and maybe that is the reason for a lot of Americans. But I wonder in other countries what percentage of its people vote? I bet it is a lot higher. So if anything, this post, while it has been amusing, sometimes infuriating, sometimes off the wall, etc. has gotten me thinking in a serious manner about participating in the future of my country. And that makes me feel good, especially because I continulously see the news and keep gasping at what I see (of course what am I seeing?). I did see an article this evening on CNN about a German Shephard that swallowed 18 golf balls and the golf course people only figured it out because they kept hearing rattling whenever the dog would move. That is news that I believe. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by HypnoticFreddy on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:31pm Eyes Afire, Wow cool site. Some of those parties are kinda scary. I never knew there were so many. -Scott |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:33pm Oh Christ!!....He must be home cause the posts just keep coming....LMMFAO ;;D .....................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by kimh on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:44pm I just hate politix :D I been regardin this post with mild interest. It has been most entertaining. Fun to watch the weave and bobs. ;;D I'm amazed at how much we all (left rite and every where between) seem to agree on the "media bias" angle; however there is and has always been the library and bookstores abound on every corner these days and serve goodies and coffee ;;D Turn off the tv. Ditch the papers and read a freakin book. It's all there in black and white and IMHO makes the decision making process clear as a bell ;;D What a web we weave..... Most issues in the news are fodder for politicians, "journalists" and the media and i do not doubt both sides exploit them in the name of ambition and in the race for "the top of the heap". The world is complex and the issues can blur the most astute of minds to GROG. We are all so lucky. Wouldn't it be grand if we could all keep that in mind every day. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:45pm on 04/23/04 at 19:33:44, jonny wrote:
Freddy - Go have your tonic and vodka or what ever the hell it is that you drink...... Rum and coke girl myself so cant give you any pointers, ecept make a couple of shots or jagger ;;D |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Sean_C on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:48pm on 04/22/04 at 11:44:17, PittsburghJoe wrote:
Ok it was rediculous I was probably having a bad hair day..........however Joe for the record I do not have a problem with you being gay or anybodyelse here. I recant that phrase. I would like to e-mail you to clarify a couple of issues, would that be cool with you? I haven't seen a post relating to the issues that still stand before me regarding this, hopefully you can help me out here. Sorry guys, I don't want this to get out of control. Sean |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Tiannia on Apr 23rd, 2004, 7:54pm Sean Page 6 & 7 really deal with this and there are a lot of good points made regarding this issue in particular. |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 23rd, 2004, 8:08pm Nice little site. Wonder why I hadn't found it? Thanks Kimh and you're right this has been fun. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/Where is This Land Sign.png Charlie |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by ckelly181 on Apr 23rd, 2004, 8:16pm on 04/23/04 at 16:26:40, thomas wrote:
What will ringside tickets run? I might have to find a flight... 8) Chris |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by eyes_afire on Apr 23rd, 2004, 8:28pm on 04/23/04 at 20:08:27, Charlie wrote:
My advice: Ditch Google and use this instead: http://vivisimo.com/index.html --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Simon on Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:11pm Well this has been fun! Ordinarily I would keep out of of foreign politics (partly out of fear, partly out of politeness), but a comment of Thomas': "E) had alienated all of our allies" Wasn't aware we had any of those to begin with. Charity cases do not equal allies. made me feel I had the right to join in. Bearing in mind all the bleeding heart comments about US servicemen dying, how do you think we feel about comments like that? Thank you very much indeed. As I'm now here, dealing from memory with things that have come up during this epic thread: It is right indeed to support the troops (we have the same angst-ridden debate here) when they are representing one's country, but that does not obligate one to suppress comments about the political leadership/decisions at the same time. I thought the US had learned that from Vietnam. Please be careful with the suggestion that the troops are defending America (or by implication the UK, Spain, Italy etc); in this case they are not. Iraq never directly threatened the west, and has been a friend when it suited Saddam and his regime. They are engaged in a (more than usually invasive) humanitarian exercise in liberating the people of Iraq. Sadly the main plank of this is an illegal (and foolish) removal of the President. (I say foolish, not because I liked him - heaven forfend - but because we have now by our actions given any other country in the world the moral right to copy us, and to remove by force our Presidents, Monarchs and Prime Ministers if they decide they wnat/need to. Remember that will be judged by their standards, not ours!) As to candidates' personal histories, if someone gets three Purple Hearts, surely the only possible cause from criticising him would be if had bribed to get them. This is clearly not the case, so if you have a gripe, take it up with the military who awarded it. Similarly if someone isn't paying enough tax in your eyes, complain to the IRS or police. Or vote for someone who will even things out. (Funny that both Bush and Kerry were criticised for this - though they presumably have to be rich to be able to stand for office, an odd concept of democracy.) Though why their income/wealth etc is any business of any of us is still beyond me.... As to the meaning of marriage, I have to correct Bob and point out that "natural" means what is found in nature, rather than what nature intended. Nature by definition has no power of intent. The effect of that is that almost all of us are unnatural - I for instance have two legs, slightly above the average for the species. Please don't persecute me for it. :) Don't pick on one aspect and forget the others, or you run the possibility that someone will pick another and apply it to you. As to religion, if it needs the State to help it do an omnipotent God's work, ask your God to look up omnipotent in his dictionary. Finally, if all this politics is pissing you off - change your system to have a six week campaign, and let the politicians do something more valuable with their time than avoid mis-speaking and run around spending a sum which would feed most countries in the world. Dolly |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:18pm ::) |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by kimh on Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:21pm Cheeky Simon, Here is a something I found much more enlightening than "clever" rhetoric and which i feel is important to us all: Militant Islam Reaches America by Daniel Pipes. It much more broadly discusses the issues we are all grappling with now and offers less in the way of political bantor and more in the way of what we should all be paying attention to. :) Cheers and Well wishes |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by jonny on Apr 23rd, 2004, 9:30pm on 04/23/04 at 21:21:51, kimh wrote:
FUCKin A!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Bush or Kerry Post by Charlie on Apr 24th, 2004, 2:04am Where do I sign Simon? 8) Refreshing stuff and keeping our eye on the ball is a good idea. There is a disturbing and very unattractive level of paranoia in the land. Hope you're doing well my friend. I'm outta here.....http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/GOOD NIGHT GRAVE.gif Charlie |
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