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(Message started by: Jeepgun on Apr 3^rd, 2004, 10:26pm)

Title: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Jeepgun on Apr 3^rd, 2004, 10:26pm

American Indian shamans on being wounded or ill:

"Our injuries isolate us from the world. They can be physical mishaps or any kind of illness, harm or rejection that separates us from society. There are a thousand different ways to be wounded.

The shamans say that to be injured helps us learn the lesson of isolation and the grief it brings. To gather strength from suffering is the way of growth. For this reason they have called themselves the wounded ones. Through the power of their own pain they gain the ability to heal others. They know the meaning of illness and isolation better than anyone else. It is this path that makes them spiritual leaders for their people."

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Kevin_M on Apr 3^rd, 2004, 10:33pm

Pretty good, pretty true.

Kevin M

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Tiannia on Apr 4^th, 2004, 3:59am

That is a similar belief held my Wiccans. That the pain that we feel in this life allows us to learn from it and strengthen our souls and spirit the same a a sward is strengthened by tempering it in fire. By tempering our soul then we learn the lessons that allow us to grow, teach and heal in our next lives.

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Charlie on Apr 4^th, 2004, 6:00am

Nothing like a good old fashioned plaster-bashing, pet beating, TV wrecking, career-ending, family-destroying, suicide headache to build character and put you in touch with your inner being.

Charlie

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Jimmy_B on Apr 4^th, 2004, 6:32am

on 04/04/04 at 06:00:01, Charlie wrote:

Nothing like a good old fashioned plaster-bashing, pet beating, TV wrecking, career-ending, family-destroying, suicide headache to build character and put you in touch with your inner being.

Charlie

LMMFAO...

While I sincerely respect the belief of others & their religions & I understand this post to be what it was intended...as inspirational...I believe Pain is good for nothing, particularly chronic pain. It can destroy relationships, wreck a person's health & constitution, not to mention what it can do to someone's mental health.

People are taught from an early age that pain & suffering is a sign of toughness. The more pain you can bear the tougher you are...."c'mon...walk it off." I personally believe pain sucks, has no bearing on how tough or what type of person you are & should be eradicated from this earth.

Jimmy

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Kirk on Apr 4^th, 2004, 7:44am

As far as I'm concerned. Pain sucks, and has no redeeming virtues.
IMHO anyone who thinks it does has a bolt backed off, and probably needs thier egg candled.

TTFN [smiley=smokin.gif]

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Kevin_M on Apr 4^th, 2004, 7:56am

on 04/03/04 at 22:26:36, Jeepgun wrote:

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to be injured helps us learn the lesson of isolation and the grief it brings. To gather strength from suffering is the way of growth. Through the power of their own pain they gain the ability to heal others. They know the meaning of illness and isolation better than anyone else."

Not seeing where it says pain don't suck, mentions grief and isolation. Pretty much talks about what it can constructively bring about, if you think of others.

Kevin M

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by brain_cramps on Apr 4^th, 2004, 8:47am

on 04/03/04 at 22:26:36, Jeepgun wrote:

...They know the meaning of illness and isolation better than anyone else...

The isolation part sounds pretty accurate to me!

on 04/03/04 at 22:26:36, Jeepgun wrote:

...Through the power of their own pain they gain the ability to heal others. They know the meaning of illness and isolation better than anyone else...

As a group, we should be able to cure ANYTHING!
(hopefully that includes CH!)

grant
AKA "Running Water" ;;D

Title: Re: American Indian Philosophy On Pain/Injury
Post by Jeepgun on Apr 4^th, 2004, 9:01am

LMAO!! I enjoy all the responses to this, because I share both points of view: With constant chronic, excrutiating pain: F*CK THIS MOTHER F*CKER!!!

And from a more spiritualized point of view, (my own thoughts on it) there can be gain and benefit from anything. All things can be turned to advantage. Nothing really happens to us that can't be made useful in some way. There is an elegance, an economy, to the lessons that life brings.

I guess what I mean to say is, I wouldn't choose to have this affliction and would never wish it even upon my worst enemy, but there's no gain in wondering, "Why me!?" and wallowing in helplessness. Like any other survivor of serious trauma in life, I am choosing to adopt the attitude of, "What is there to be gained from this? How can I help others? What is there to learn from this? What wisdom, patience, kindness, compassion, and tenacity can I take from this situation?"

Basically: Shit happens. What we do with it is what makes all the difference in the world. Pain may not be optional, but suffering is.

Strength, perseverence, love, blessings, & pain-free vibes to you all.