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(Message started by: k9n8 on May 18^th, 2004, 3:59pm)

Title: hangovers
Post by k9n8 on May 18^th, 2004, 3:59pm

Alcohol is a trigger for me, but not always. Wine is ALWAYS a trigger, but I am talking about hard liquor. Sometimes, when I am feeling good, or when I have been just blasted by CH's, I will go out and drink. Sometimes I get one pretty fast and must come home or hide in my vehicle BUT here is the interesting part. I have NEVER had a CH when I am hung over the next day.....coincidence? I doubt it. Its almost like I can request a day off of CH's and get approved IF I am miserable to begin with, lol. Has anyone else noticed any change in cycle the day after drinking?
BTW, the only thing I drink is Patron (tequila).

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by JDH on May 18^th, 2004, 4:08pm

I can't/won't drink any kind of alcohol while I'm in a cycle. It's a major trigger for me so I can't answer you.

Jim

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by thomas on May 18^th, 2004, 4:20pm

on 05/18/04 at 16:08:23, JDH wrote:

I can't/won't drink any kind of alcohol while I'm in a cycle. It's a major trigger for me so I can't answer you.

Jim

Ditto

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Roxy on May 18^th, 2004, 6:57pm

Most episodic ch'ers don't drink. Quite a few chronics are able to.

I do know of one chronic who can exert some control over his ch's by drinking.

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Mac_Muz on May 18^th, 2004, 6:58pm

Like the others I have sworn off drinking for the duration.. I feel every day just like I have a hang over anyway.

Not a beer in 5 weeks and counting so far. Bike week Laconia is coming and these had best be gone by then...

I drink a few then with in reason... I hope I don't have to play tea tottler then! Grrrrrr Mac

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by tgz23 on May 19^th, 2004, 12:18am

1/2 a beer and I'd be bangin my head in less than 10 minutes. Impossible for me to get drunk. Since my last cycle I don't have any desire to drink at all, something really changed in me because I used to love drinking. Now it doesn't appeal to me at all. Go figue.

Tim

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by mynm156 on May 19^th, 2004, 9:33am

I have found that I too can not even look at alcohol when I am in a cycle. No BEER! No WINE, NO NOTHING.

SO enjoy your hangover I guess for the rest of us.

MYNM156

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Prense on May 19^th, 2004, 6:37pm

I have found that I can drink vodka, but I rarely get hit in the morning anyway. I still cannot answer your question.

Chris

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by purpleydog on May 19^th, 2004, 8:04pm

I also cannot drink alcohol when I'm in cycle. I hardly drink anyway because alcohol also triggers migraines for me. But when the occasion arises and I do drink, I don't get a hangover. Never have.

purpleydog

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by ave on May 20^th, 2004, 4:26pm

I have had the same experience, even in the middle of a cycle, if I go on a binge I won't get all evening, I sleep undisturbed all night and I might be hung over, but I do not get attacks.

Since this amounts to touting for excessive drinking, it is not really good news, but it is true none the less.

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by genss on May 20^th, 2004, 4:30pm

I don't drink now but years ago I drank frequently and alcohol was never a trigger for me.

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Gena on May 21^st, 2004, 5:23pm

up until this last round of CHs.
Alcohol was always a trigger, could not drink even a half of beer with out getting hit (while in cycle only)

A few time I woul wait till I was about to sleep,drink a beer get hit, then I would be fine and could sleep all night. Not quite the same thing as your asking but close

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by miapet on May 21^st, 2004, 9:10pm

D hasn't been able to drink in years . . . major trigger for him . . .we're thinking we may be able to have a couple when we are rocking chair material *g*
*positive light and energy*
miapet

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by DonGee on May 24^th, 2004, 1:21am

I remember when I first came here, I thought the drinking was the key so I quit altogether and did 3 months without pain. Then "it" came and I gave up on the whole concept of diet as a preventive. I am going to look into the sugar concept raised elsewhere on this site.
BTW, I was wondering if anybody else feels bad about not coming back and offering support when you're pain-free. I sometimes feel like it's spitting in the face of those who are chronic. But I also feel guilty for not lending support 24/7. Any ideas folks?

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Jup on May 24^th, 2004, 9:36am

I am chronic from 1999 and found out that sometimes after drinking one glass of wine I get an attack. I kill that one with imitrex and after two or three hours I can drink hard liquor, like whisky, till I am a little bit drunk. The next morning I feel a little hangover and for sure I have no attacks that day. Once in a few weeks, I get by doing this, a few days fun and relief. The other days?? I don't need to describe here (4 to 6 attacks per day)

Jup

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by JDH on May 24^th, 2004, 1:01pm

on 05/24/04 at 01:21:15, DonGee wrote:

BTW, I was wondering if anybody else feels bad about not coming back and offering support when you're pain-free.

I dunno about that. I've been pf since Feb '03 and continue to come here on a regular basis.

Quote:

I sometimes feel like it's spitting in the face of those who are chronic.

WTF? [smiley=huh.gif]

Quote:

But I also feel guilty for not lending support 24/7. Any ideas folks?

Nobody can lend support 24/7...you do what you can do.

Jim

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by echo on May 25^th, 2004, 12:05pm

Any alcohol other than Miller High Life and blush wines will cause my brain to attempt to stomp my eye out.

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Bill_Roundtree on Jun 7^th, 2004, 12:50am

Believe it or not, for some reason if I go 2 or 3 weeks WITHOUT at least a beer or two when I'm pain free I will most certainly suffer the cluster hell....but during a cycle itself I can't touch the stuff!!!

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by pubgirl on Jun 7^th, 2004, 3:44am

Probably shouldn't say either of these things but I am told by a UK Ch'er that you can kill an attack brought on by alcohol by quickly drinking more!
Also 02 kills hangovers! (promise, try it!)

Wendy

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by UN_SOLVED on Jun 7^th, 2004, 3:54am

Chronic since 2000. Can't touch any liquor unless I'm willing to dance with the beast.

Unsolved

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by mynm156 on Jun 7^th, 2004, 10:44am

Cant touch Beer any more!! Every Single time.. BAM!!!

So I have really all but stopped drinking at all. I guess that cant be a bad thing for my body but DAMN does it SUCK!!

MYNM156

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Pegase on Jun 7^th, 2004, 1:05pm

Same... Same... Same;-)

Pegase

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by JDH on Jun 7^th, 2004, 1:13pm

on 06/07/04 at 03:44:31, pubgirl wrote:

Wendy,
I agree that o2 will kill a hangover real nice (along w/90% of my h/a's) BUT there's no way in hell I could kill an attack by drinking more. Usually a half a beer will set me off and there's no way I could continue drinking once it starts.

Jim

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by pubgirl on Jun 7^th, 2004, 4:22pm

I couldn't either, no way I would drink more when an attack hits personally, but this CH sufferer (where are you Hamster to post this yourself??) swears that it works, it has to be ice cold alcohol apparently, or it won't work.

W

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Hamster on Jun 9^th, 2004, 5:14am

Quote:

I find this subject extremely interesting for many reasons. I am episodic, but fortunately alcohol has never been a trigger for me, in or out of bout. However, as others say, the majority of clusterheads I know cannot go near the stuff.

Now this might get a bit contentious, and apologies if it has been covered here before, but I have also heard from a few sufferers who claim to have used beer successfully as an abortive. Sounded dubious to me, but recently when the beast started knocking at the door whilst I was on the way to a barbie, on a hot sunny afternoon, foolishly with no medication, it was a question of go back home or experiment.

So experiment I did. I downed the first pint in a couple of minutes but soon reached Kip 3/4. I then found a quiet room, up to Kip 5, immediately downed another pint, and wham: gone! Pure chance perchance, who knows? I am still not convinced either way, but I have not had the opportunity to re-experiment because that was the final attack of my last bout (which in itself may be important). I shall experiment again, but needless to say, I can wait..

I posted the above here about a year ago and was flamed by the usual suspect(s) ;). Posted on the OUCH (UK) message board too but, perhaps unsurprisingly, it went down like a lead balloon. Needless to say I have had plenty of opportunity for experimentation since then and the results have been remarkably consistent. Also, I now personally know four other sufferers who can effectively abort attacks with alcohol with limited risk of rebound.

Now I'm not recommending anyone tries this, particularly if alcohol is a trigger for them, but I've bitten Wendy's bait, so people can make up their own minds. The general consensus amongst those sufferers who have used alcohol to abort is that the alcohol needs to be very, very cold. Accordingly, two beverages are most commonly used: white wine or lager, but others have also used spirits (I've no personal experience of the latter). The alcoholic strength doesn't appear to play a major role, although low-alcohol lager doesn't work. The crucial elements are that a relatively small amount needs to be consumed very quickly, and as I said, it needs to be very cold.

My sample base is at best minute, but even so and as ever, everyone's 'regime' so far appears to be slightly different. I find personally that knocking back a large glass (about 250-300ml in about 2/3 gulps) of cold white wine is the most effective. This normally aborts the attack within five minutes, and it seldom comes back before the next one is due. It also works with lager for me but greater volumes are required (about a pint and a half 5% ABV).

For health and social reasons I still prefer O2 and Imitrex, but have used the alcohol technique successfully on more than a dozen occasions since, particularly when away from my normal medication. The addictive nature of alcohol, coupled with the well known adverse side-effects, doesn't bode well for future development as a treatment, but if it works, it's a handy little trick to have up your sleeve if and when needs must.

ATB:)
Hamster

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by echo on Jun 9^th, 2004, 4:57pm

on 05/18/04 at 15:59:52, k9n8 wrote:

. Has anyone else noticed any change in cycle the day after drinking?
BTW, the only thing I drink is Patron (tequila).

Never thought of it that way. Tonight I'll wear a lab coat and get smashed. I'll let you know tomorrow afternoon. The fuckstick is due for his visit about 2:30 in the morning. We'll see if he skips his visit.

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Prense on Jun 9^th, 2004, 6:51pm

on 06/07/04 at 03:44:31, pubgirl wrote:

I have found just the opposite to be true for me. I have aggravated attacks to unimaginable levels by attempting this. However, I have successfully drank in this manner (shotgunning, bong, yard glass, etc.) prior to an attack and not triggered. Of course, everytime I did that, it could have just been coincidental that I did not trigger. I highly doubt it though since my trigger rate is roughly 85% with beer.

In the end, I decided that alcohol consumption is just not worth it for me. I get enough attacks as it is. I don't miss the beer.

Chris

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by jonny on Jun 10^th, 2004, 6:30pm

RU21.......Google it ;;D

.....................................jonny

Title: Re: hangovers
Post by Gator on Jun 11^th, 2004, 3:31am

The literature the doc printed out for me listed alcohol as a trigger. There was no way in hell I was going to test the theory. However, chocolate and dairy products were also on the list as triggers and I have tried them (very sheepishly at first) and as far as I can tell they do not affect me. I have recently been toying with the idea of a little experimentation. If I do, I'll post my results here.

RU21 anti-hangover pills, huh? I never heard of them before tonight. Have you tried them jonny?

Gator