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Title: surfin' the web and found this Post by kamccran on Apr 9th, 2004, 11:35pm http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/ucdhs/health/a-z/99HEADACHESCLUSTER/doc99severity.html (hopefully that link will work). You may have seen this site before, but I just found it, it was pretty interesting even though most of the info onit I had seen at plenty of other sites before, however, I did find it interesting where it said: People with episodic cluster headaches tend to have low sexual appetites, impaired verbal memory, and a higher than average association between anxiety disorders and episodic cluster headaches. According to one 1999 study, for example, nearly a quarter of the patients met the criteria for having anxiety disorders. Furthermore the anxiety disorders occurred more frequently within the year before the onset of the cluster headaches. Mind you, 'a quarter of the patients'.. not necessarily many.. but still. I got put on anti - anxiety pills last year (Propranolol) which may just be a complete coincidence, but oh well. Didn't know if anyone would find the site umm.. interesting or not? |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 9th, 2004, 11:41pm Hiya Kam, You probably already know this, but propanolol is the generic name for Inderal LA, and it is actually a beta-blocker medication to treat hypertension. However, it does help anxiety because it slows down the heart rate, which is helpful for people who's hearts go fast when they are anxious. My primary care doctor told me that a lot of musicians used to take it before performances!! Lizzie:) |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by kamccran on Apr 9th, 2004, 11:46pm Huh, I did not know about the musicians taking it before performances! I take it whenever I get anxious, and it seems to help, so it's all good. :) (touch wood.) Kirsty :) |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 9th, 2004, 11:48pm Hi Kirsty, Just a question or warning...you don't take it on top of verapamil do you? They are contraindicated... Lizzie :) |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by FZfan on Apr 10th, 2004, 12:05am No way! Musicians taking drugs? ;;D |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by floridian on Apr 10th, 2004, 12:26am Depression started in my teen years, anxiety in 20s, clusters started in my 30s. Verbal memory is still excellent, Maleopause in 40s?? [smiley=huh.gif] Hope not. 25% sounds about right for anxiety disorder - there are lots of people here who just don't get it and assume that the anxiety is from the fear of getting hit by the beast ... panic disorder is not 'all in your head" any more than clusters. Anxiety and panic disorders are from messed up body chemistry - the worry and fear circuits of the brain get stuck in the on position, just like a pain circuit gets switched on in clusters. The advice that someone should "just relax" or "not worry about getting a cluster" is on par with the compassionate (but utterly clueless) people who ask us if we've tried Excedrin-Migraine or Extra-strength-Tylenol for a cluster headache. God bless em, and God keep us from biting their head off. |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 10th, 2004, 12:32am on 04/10/04 at 00:05:28, FZfan wrote:
LOL FZ!! I'm talking about classical musicians!! I am one...piano performance major...but I don't take drugs for performance!! On enough crap as it is! hehe Lizzie :) |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by Kevin_M on Apr 10th, 2004, 12:56am on 04/09/04 at 23:35:36, kamccran wrote:
Being episodic I find it hard to relate to low sexual appetites, except when one neuro thought anti-depressants were good prevents years ago. Impaired verbal memory isn't apparent and I don't recognize that in many other posters on the board. The association between axiety disorder and episodic is not apparent. Anxiety and depression may come from genetic reasons, while others are ill because of perhaps something in their lives their constitution cannot deal with. Clusters can maybe bring that out, but one doesn't predict the other. I'm 0 for 3 in agreeing. IMHO. Kevin M |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by floridian on Apr 10th, 2004, 1:28am The link is not universal, but its documented in the medical literature. It hits a minority of clusterheads, but that number is much higher than the general population. Anxiety/panic disorder in the previous year is a predictor of the beast in episodics. Disturbed serotonin is involved in both clusters and anxiety - not 100% overlap, but having messed up serotonin is like getting a pile of a raffle ticket for a lot of conditions. That claim that episodics have selectively impaired verbal memory?? I think it just means we don't listen. And the anxiety angle isn't talked about much here as many of us with anxiety are hiding in the basement. When we do get the composure to log on to clusterheadaches.com, we don't want to jinx things by bringing up something that is seen as a non-cluster problem. Quote:
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by Dover on Apr 10th, 2004, 11:33am Since March, I have noticed a significant decrease in my verbal memory. I struggle to find the right words. And in the middle of conversations, sometimes my memory of what came early just falls away. That aspect has me pretty scared. I depend on my verbal skills for a living. |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by Kevin_M on Apr 10th, 2004, 11:59am on 04/10/04 at 01:28:53, floridian wrote:
I can understand what you are saying Floridian. Comparing the onset of clusters to the onset of a tension headache would leave no doubt in my mind that more anxiety is involved. That comparison would indeed hold water, the question is was it a fair comparison considering the difference of impending pain. I simply have noticed that in any support group (ie. AA, NA, anorexic, etc.)there is quite the same or just as much anxiety related problem there too, which would not make clusters stick out by any stretch of the imagination as having moreso than any other support group. The relationship of having axiety related disorder prior to having clusters is no more a telltale sign that clusters will develop than any other affliction that might also. The fact that it may develop after clusters are confirmed, well of course the right switches may get turned on for it to happen when something happens to them that their constitution may not have been ready to deal with. That can happen in many other afflictions also, as those mentioned above. The fact that we may have impaired verbal memory? Try teaching any mid or high school class and you would think it is highly related to going to school too. Much higher than those with clusters. If those studies had been done with any other affliction, as mentioned above, the results would have been similar. *edit* All books written in the last two years, except for Rollo May's books. The sources and notes at the end of some books can be up to 40 pages long, drawing conclusions from hundreds of cross referenced studies and research results. Recent books which put it into a wider perspective. Nature via Nurture, genes, experience and what makes us human. Matt Ridley. 155.7 R The Essential Difference. The truth about the male and female brain. Simon Baron-Cohen. 612.82 B Y, The Descent of Man. Revealing the mysteries of maleness. Steve Jones. 599.938 J The Heart of Addiction. Lance Dodes, MD. 616.806 D The Dependent Gene. David S. Moore. 576.53 M The Tending Instinct. Shelley E Taylor. 304.5 T Love at Goon Park. Harry Harlow and the Science of Affection. Deborah Blum. 150.724 B These books deal with many aspects of axiety and genes and environment. I have more which also deal with very far reaching research, samples of which are taken and applied on a much larger scale. There is no doubt that low sex, impaired verbal memory and anxiety can exist with clusters, but how does that differ much from a small sample of people with other afflictions. Read long ago, and still a favorite, which should be anyone's starter book, "The Meaning of Anxiety", Rollo May. Also his book, "The Courage to Create" has much relation to the subject as it relates to creativity. Artists also have the all these things that have here been mentioned associated with clusters too. These "conditions" which perhaps predate the onset of clusters and may appear as clusters develop are not only distinct with clusters, and are found commonly in many other afflictions too. Kevin M |
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Title: Re: surfin' the web and found this Post by Hai on Apr 13th, 2004, 7:05pm Very good post! I suffer from Anxiety disorder (Panic Attacks), and was always curious if they tied in with Cluster Headaches since both are related to Seretonin levels in the brain. Hmm I wonder if I should go back on that Paxil ..... Hai |
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