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Title: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 2nd, 2003, 7:21am ON THIS DEADLY DAY... Please take a moment today to pray for those that died in that deadly helicopter crash in Bagdad. Remind your friends that our boys are over there sacrificing their freedom for the freedom of others...Alot ot those pilots trained with my son and I am awaiting news as to whether one is a friend of his. There is no need to respond to this... Please pray for their souls and ask them to pray for ours. thanks ree |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 2nd, 2003, 8:34am patriotic bump.... |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by SommelierCH on Nov 2nd, 2003, 9:20am Ree, Again, we see that we’re all in this life together. My prayers are going out. Stay strong for your son. Peace, David J. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by floridian on Nov 2nd, 2003, 9:41am I'll be praying for the Americans that are laying their life on the line in Iraq, but I don't believe that they were sent there to protect our freedom. The war in Afghanistan was justified, but Iraq was not involved in 9-11 and was not a threat to the US. The case for the Iraq war was built on lies and more lies. Pray for the souls of Bush, Cheney, and Perle who use people as cannon fodder in their attempt to 'remake' the Middle East. Pray for General Boykin who drives a deeper wedge between Christianity and Islam and turns people against the Gospel with his ignorant statements. Pray to God for peace... you sure won't find it coming from the Bush administration. </rant> |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by jonny on Nov 2nd, 2003, 11:16am Sure!!!...and that huge wall mural of a plane going into a tall building in the republican guard headquaters was just a picture right? Dumbass!!! ..................................jonny |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Margi on Nov 2nd, 2003, 11:17am Our prayers are with your sons and daughters. May they return safely to your arms. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by nancyc on Nov 2nd, 2003, 12:52pm Prayers going up...my son wont be coming home much in the next month or so, he will be training others to go to Iraq...I feel blessed that he was not sent over there..My heart goes out to those parents, spouses and families that have loved ones there...God bless them all, nancyc |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by ShariRae on Nov 2nd, 2003, 4:41pm Thoughts, prayers & strength to all our military men & women. Wheather you agree or disagree with the policy or the reasons...Pray for their safe return to their families... Huggs Shari |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Linda_Howell on Nov 2nd, 2003, 4:46pm Yes. God bless them all. As well as the families who worry about them. LindaH |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Charlie on Nov 2nd, 2003, 7:56pm With this kind of thing, it's always just a matter of time. Horrible and awful that such young men are the victims. It would be nice if the Pentagon would admit this kind of thing happens and stop banning photos of flag-draped coffins arriving at Dover. It pisses me off to pretend these people don't exist. A sad day. MOC |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Patrick_A on Nov 2nd, 2003, 11:01pm This board is for Family, Friends and CH sufferers. I support all my family who has sons in Iraq, Afghanistan and anywhere else they are needed whether i agree with the politics or not. If you got a Political statement to make, Take it somewhere else! Patrick >:( |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by floridian on Nov 3rd, 2003, 11:09am This thread was started with a statement encouraging people to political activism. Quote:
If the post had been merely a call for prayer, I wouldn't have responded with political statements. I too am praying for my friends and former students that are over in Iraq. I don't want any harm to come to them, and most of them will come home safe. But the politicians that started this war don't deserve the respect and deference that goes to the rank and file military service members who are serving their country. Law and tradition require service members to carry out orders and stay out of politics. If the civilians at home just wave the flag whenever the politicians decide on war, they are degrading democracy and endangering the servicemen who get sent on unecessary missions. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by brain_cramps on Nov 3rd, 2003, 11:18am on 11/02/03 at 23:01:51, Patrick_A wrote:
Very well put, Patrick. I agree 100% grant |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 3rd, 2003, 6:58pm Dear Floridian... you turned this political so I will answer your post... MY BOYS ARE FIGHTING FOR THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS .... END OF STORY... REGARDLESS OF YOUR POLITICAL DENOMINATION AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE... THIS IS WHAT MY KIDS BELIEVE, THEY ARE BRAVE WONDERFUL YOUNG MEN...I HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM AT GREAT LENGTH AND I HAVE TO RESPECT THEIR DECISION TO FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY. THOSE THAT LOST THEIR LIVES ON SUNDAY DESERVE OUR PRAYERS FOR HAVING LOST THEIR LIVES WHETHER IT BE RIGHT OR WRONG TO YOU IT WAS FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN... I HOPE YOU VOTE... IF YOU DO VOTE FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE... MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ALL THIS...IF NOT JUST SHUT UP AND PRAY........ 16 YOUNG MEN AND BOYS DIED HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR GOD'S SAKE... NOT A GOOD IDEA TO PISS OFF A MENOPAUSAL MOM THAT HASNT SEEN HER BOY IN 9 MONTHS AND HAS ANOTHER THAT FLIES HELICOPTERS DUE TO GO OVER THERE IN 2 MONTHS. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THESE WERE THE LIVES YOUR KIDS CHOSE???????? I HAVE TO BE BRAVE TOO. REE |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by jonny on Nov 3rd, 2003, 7:01pm ROCK-N-FUCKING ROLL, REE!!! ..........................................jonny |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by tsayswhy on Nov 3rd, 2003, 8:38pm Prayers are here Ree |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by stevegeebe on Nov 3rd, 2003, 8:46pm Sez it all Ree. Steve G |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by debbie4278 on Nov 3rd, 2003, 9:10pm But the politicians that started this war don't deserve the respect........ Ree didn't ask for the politicians to receive respect. Keeping other words to myself. She asked for prayers and to remind your friends that our military needs prayers for the sacrificing they are making. For our freedom, yours, mine and our countrys. I agree, take your political debate somewhere else. Ditto Shari Rae. You and your boys are in my prayers Ree. Deb |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 3rd, 2003, 10:14pm thanks very much and also say a prayer for our own Sufferer Samurai... Jason... He will be going into training and then into Iraq... love to him and many many good wishes... Ree |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by nancyc on Nov 3rd, 2003, 10:53pm patrick and debbie...you got that rite...we are family so let's pray....and if you dont pray..say a kind word for our men and women over there...and those about to go...God bless America! PS, Ree, you are loved , sis... |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by floridian on Nov 3rd, 2003, 10:59pm Show some respect? I have the utmost respect and gratitude for the 16 that died in the helicopter crash, and all others that are laying their life on the line. They are doing their job and risking everything. When people sign up to serve their country, they do so out of a sincere desire to defend their country. I am not questioning their personal motives what so ever. Maybe I mistook what you said as an endorsement of the war (which clearly would be political), when you were only talking about the motives of the servicemen (which is not political). If so, I apologize. The point I was trying to make from my (mis?)reading of your statement is that when politicians decide to go to war for reason A, and the soldiers enlist and for reason B, the real reason that people are killing and dying is reason A. That is a hard truth to swallow because it implies betrayal by one's own country. But after long conversations with friends who served in Vietnam, I don't want to see a repeat of the betrayal - neither the rejection of troops by the public nor being cynically used and discarded by the government. Both actions were shameful. And, yes, I vote. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Patrick_A on Nov 4th, 2003, 3:00am Hey Floridian and anybody else who wants to listen. I rarely see political or religeous jokes on this board. I kinda think its because we all love each other in our own little ways. When someone asks for a prayer, then i say a little prayer for them. I am not extremely religeous. But these people are my family and friends! We don't do the political thing here because we are mostly all grown adults who knows where those topics lead. I personally dont care what your religeous or political beliefs are. I come here only to support the sufferers, and to lend an ear when needed. Patrick |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Spindrift on Nov 4th, 2003, 9:22am Those of you who are religious are clearly free to pray to whatever deities you choose. Since I am not I will confine myself to thinking good thoughts about the service people in Iraq, and hoping they'll come home soon. I'll also mourn them and the countless thousands of Iraqis who have died in the last six months because our government decided to bomb the hell out of their country. Let's not let blind "patriotism" obliterate a little logic, shall we? Photographs of airplanes flying into buildings remind us of a horrible deed that was NOT perpetrated by any Iraqis, but by Saudi Arabians working out of Afghanistan and led by, yes, a Saudi Arabian millionaire. Even the president has admitted that Saddam and his regime had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. As far as "pissing off" a menopausal mom or anyone else, I have no sympathy. Take your ANGER elsewhere - how about to that little Iraqi boy who lost his arms and legs and was half burned to death when one of our planes fighting for his "freedom" dropped a bomb on his house? Yes, our soldiers are in Iraq sacrificing their freedom. And their lives. So let's honor them and bring them the hell home, ok? SD |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Elaine on Nov 4th, 2003, 9:47am Ree asked for a simple prayer for these boys who became men all to soon. As I pray for them I pray for all who this war has touched. To people who want to make Ree post more than it was. I will let the devil take over my mind and say this to you! [smiley=moonwiggle.gif] ;;D |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by brain_cramps on Nov 4th, 2003, 9:57am enough already !!! >:( didn't everybody here have their fill of "political arguments" a few months ago? ::) |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Spindrift on Nov 4th, 2003, 10:14am Sorry - the original poster didn't ask simply for a prayer, she made a political statement by telling us to "remind" our friends that our soldiers are fighting for other people's freedoms. And as far as "enough already" - anyone is free to not read this thread, or to read it and ignore it. s |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 4th, 2003, 10:40am ok Spindrift and I suppose you think that getting a plane rammed through your office on a Tuesday morning was ok or the countless lives that were lost on Sept 11th was just some kind of cleansing process... How about the little 4 year old girl merely taking a plane to California to be with her mom and her best friend... I also come from Boston, so what those terrorists did I happen to take personally... I didnt mean asking for prayer as a political statement but yes I will defend our country and our servicemen. Remember Sadam Husein hates you too as well as Osama Bin Laden... and if you grieve for an Iraqi child take a look around your own country... there are kids HERE that are being orphaned every day over THERE... as well as the lives we will no doubt lose AGAIN WHEN TERRORISM STRIKES OUR COUNTRY... IF WE DO NOTHING WHO WILL WE BLAME... would you rather we walk around with rose colored glasses on and just say oh kill 3000 people thats ok... blow up people thats ok... it cracks me up to see how personally you take the life of one Iraqi child... did you grieve for anyone that died on Sept 11th or the countless other attacks on us personally for the name of terrorism. I WILL SAY A PRAYER FOR YOU SPINDRIFT YOU JUST DON'T GET IT... REE |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by brain_cramps on Nov 4th, 2003, 10:41am on 11/04/03 at 10:14:39, Spindrift wrote:
Being Canadian, I'm usually a pacifist (yeah, right!), but this one is for you, spindrift! [smiley=hewey.gif] while yer at it, ya might as well do what yer best at and kiss this! [smiley=moonwiggle.gif] |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Margi on Nov 4th, 2003, 10:46am Another pacifistic (is that a word?) Canadian here. You and your boys are in my prayers, Ree - as are all involved in this. Even the people that are arguing with you in this thread. Ree, you and I both know, we are not the Judge here. Too bad more people don't remember that. Hugs to you, lady - you DO have your own personal army standing with you here. :-* |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 4th, 2003, 10:57am on 11/04/03 at 10:14:39, Spindrift wrote:
this is whay you should have done. As Americans we don't dance in the street when we kill our enemy. Turn on CNN...ree |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by KenB on Nov 4th, 2003, 11:29am on 11/04/03 at 10:40:01, Ree wrote:
I can't let this one go by - simply because it's the one thing that infuriates me most (and you wouldn't like me when I'm infuriated >:( ) about certain elements of the US media and the US administration and the tentative and unproven links they make between Iraq and Sept. 11th. I am not even close to being a sympathiser or supporter of Saddam or Bin Laden or any terrorist organisation for that matter - but please stop using Sept. 11th as some sort of justification for an all out attack on world terrorism - who's next - the IRA? Venting over - thanks for listening. :-/ |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by JDH on Nov 4th, 2003, 11:33am God Bless your sons Ree and God Bless all of our troops around the world. I have the utmost respect for the job that these young men and women do. With that being said, Floridian AND Spindrift STFU! You guys are a too late...this subject was put to rest some time ago along w/Ted. And like you said Spindrift, anyone is free to read this thread or ignore it...why don't you take you own advice and ignore it. Take your bitching somewhere else. Jim and btw, don't you guys have real names? |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Spindrift on Nov 4th, 2003, 11:42am Amazing the anger directed at me when I just mention something that the president of the united states has already admitted. The Iraqis did not attack us on Sept. 11th. That was Al Qaeda, and they're from places like Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Afghanistan. As far as where my sympathies lie - I called 9/11 a horrible deed. It was the worst day in America since Pearl Harbor. I mourn the dead and the brave firefighters and police who risked and lost their lives to help others. But going out an bombing AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNTRY from the one or ones responsible does nothing to help anyone. By that logic, we could have avenged our dead on 9/11 by destroying Bolivia, or Chad. As far as "we Americans" not dancing in the streets when we kill "our enemy", you're naive if you think millions of people in this country weren't exulting every day watching the progress of our troops in Iraq. And I really wish people would avoid trotting out that old and hopelessly tired canard about a person not "getting it" because her or she doesn't happen to agree with your point of view. So let me repeat it again, because clearly this message is not getting through: IRAQIS DID NOT FLY THOSE PLANES ON 9/11. IT WAS SAUDI ARABIANS. SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. WISHING WITH ALL YOUR HEART THAT HE DID SO YOU CAN JUSTIFY THE DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ WILL DO NOTHING TO HELP THOSE INNOCENTS WHO DIED ON THAT BLACK DAY. Clear enough? SD |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by JDH on Nov 4th, 2003, 12:02pm SD, STFUD!!! Start a new thread if you want to rant on this subject...or better yet, just GO AWAY! on 11/04/03 at 11:29:58, KenB wrote:
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Title: Godwins Law Post by floridian on Nov 4th, 2003, 12:11pm Godwin's Law states that when some one compares someone else to Hitler in an internet discussion, the discussion is basically over. So let me compare my next door neighbor to Hitler. My neighbor is a little taller, just as balding, but doesn't have a mustache. Seriously, I am leaving this thread to hang out in the treatments and therapies side. Most of this side is off topic or touchy feely fluff, maybe somebody finds it therapeutic. I support our troops 100%, but the war in Iraq 0%. And thats all I have to say about that. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Patrick_A on Nov 4th, 2003, 12:49pm LOL....I started to get political! But fugg it, aint worth my effort. Ree, I love ya honey! I wish and hope and pray for your boys to come home safely, in fact i wish and hope that all our boys come home safely. I hope all of our objectives are met quickly so we can all get on with our lives without having to worry about killing each other. Patrick :) |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Spindrift on Nov 4th, 2003, 1:02pm I'm with you, fellow floridian. When they start making personal attacks on you for expressing your opinion it's time to cut your losses. s |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Brian_Y on Nov 4th, 2003, 2:10pm on 11/04/03 at 13:02:08, Spindrift wrote:
Your club fees are due. This is an attempt to collect a debt. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 4th, 2003, 2:47pm MY KID IS FINALLY COMING HOME SATURDAY AND YOU CANNOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME... I PRAY FOR THE SOULS OF ALL THE PEOPLE LOST IN THE WORLD... AMEN WHAT MAKES ME LAUGH IS YOU 40 SOMETHINGS THAT FLAP YOUR LIPS INSTEAD OF MAKING A DIFFERENCE AT LEAST MY KIDS ARE TRYING TO MAKE ONE... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY... REE |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by samurai on Nov 4th, 2003, 2:47pm There are some angry people who need to get their facts straight. We are in Afghanistan dealing with al-qeada. We went into Iraq, because Saddam was killing his own people. I hate to think that there are people out there who, if they saw someone being mugged and beaten in an alley, would just walk away. I am going over there for my fellow soldiers, for you guys, and for the Iraqi people. I hope we can help them. They lived in fear of this man for thirty years, and now they have a chance at freedom. Would you take that away? I would give my life for that. Jason |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by JDH on Nov 4th, 2003, 2:55pm on 11/04/03 at 14:47:46, samurai wrote:
Jason, You are one awesome young dude. Keep your head down when you get over there and be safe. Thank You, Jim |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Hirvimaki on Nov 4th, 2003, 3:10pm Ree, Prayers going out, as requested! Thanks for the important reminder. Jason, Since it does not get said enough: Thank you! I appreciate what you are doing. Hirvimaki |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Peppermint on Nov 4th, 2003, 3:40pm Wow Ree I'm sorry this thread took such an ugly little turn. Your kids are always in my prayers, even if you don't see it here, as are all our service people. You'll be in my prayers too samurai!! |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by floridian on Nov 4th, 2003, 4:51pm OK, Ree and Samuri, if you want to keep it political and escalate it to the personal, I'll give you another reply. Let me tell you that your questioning of my patriotism only displays your ignorance. I am not the one that put your kids unecessarily in harms way, and I am not the not a very nice person that responded to attacks against our troops with the statement "Bring em on." That is our current president, who also used his family ties to avoid going to Vietnam, and rarely showed up for his National Guard duty. That is the man who bears full responsibility for what happens to our troops. Samurai - you are the one that should check out the facts. After Saddam started a war with Iran that killed hundreds of thousands of people, and after Saddam gased the Kurds, Ronald Reagan (the one that did an arms for hostage deal with terrorists) sent Donald Rumsfeld to Baghdad to shake Saddam's hand and do business with him. After all, we wanted him to keep Iran in check, and those Kurds can get uppity. Saddam may have been a murdering son of a bitch, but he was a useful son of a bitch. It wasn't until Saddam invaded Kuwait and threatened the oil market that the neocons saw him as a bad guy. The U.S. foreign policy can be benevolent, but at times it is selfish and brutal. George Herbert Bush talked about a new world order based on law and principle in the first Gulf War. And I supported that war because Iraq engaged in a blatant act of agression (along the lines of your metaphor of a person being mugged in an alley). But when that war was over and people asked for help in stopping the genocide in Rwanda and Yugoslavia, GHB declined because it "wasn't in the national interests of the US." Maybe oil and geopolitical power are more important than trying to make the world a better place. George H. Bush also said the following, which seems to have been lost on his son: "I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant, into a latter-day Arab hero ... assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerrilla war." Maybe we'll get Saddam and he will be put on trial and executed for crimes against humanity. That would be a just outcome. But a shattered coallition, Saddam as a hero, and plopping young soldiers to an unwinnable guerilla war - that might be accurate. Our analysts at the CIA and State Department were ignored, and later scapegoated for the fiasco. But they predicted the exact problems that we are experiencing on the ground. Our intelligence assessments concluded that the war would increase the risk of terrorism rather the reduce it. Bush's war has really helped Al Qaeda recruitment. But recruiting and retention in the US forces are going to drop hard. American forces are stretched thin, and preparations for a draft are being made. Our budget deficit is ballooning, and we will be in deep economic shit if overseas investors decide to stop buying our promissary notes. And here is some thinking on Bush's craven policies to hide the dead and wounded from the media and prevent the American public from thinking about those that make the ultimate sacrifice from Tim Harpers: "If there are no pictures of caskets being delivered to U.S. airbases, citizens don't think of them, analysts say. Dawson says television pictures of the wounded at Walter Reed would be a jolt to Americans as they head out to dinner or are thinking of the week's NFL matchups. The administration may have to come to grips with this in the months to come. This strategy depends on how long this war goes on. I have to wonder whether it might be a good idea to have a monthly remembrance to reflect on how this campaign is going. The country should be asking whether these men and women are putting their lives on the line for a justifiable purpose." So what am I doing for this county? I am challenging the lies. I am asking the hard questions. Are our men and women putting their lives on the lines for a justifiable purpose? That is a discussion the nation never really had - too many people bought the promises of war as a cakewalk, and now we are sinking in quagmire. I'm not just flapping my lips - whether you can see it or not, Ree, I am going to bat for those who have no choice but to follow orders - bad orders. Its SNAFU and the only way to get out is to understand how we got in. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Brian_Y on Nov 4th, 2003, 5:11pm Tsk, tsk, tsk. Sooooo unpatriotic. And to do so here is tantamount to having a personal call from John Ashcroft. The SHAME!!!! |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by BobG on Nov 4th, 2003, 5:56pm This string started with a beautiful thought, Thanks Ree. Then a dangling chad in florida screwed things up, again. Sorry Ree. The Servicemen and women are always remembered in my prayers. Thanks for posting Ree. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 4th, 2003, 7:09pm I hope you are all happy that my son is coming home and will hope (pray for the religious) that nothing will come of my other son going over in January... I also hope that you are sorry and feel badly enough to pray (hope for you unreligious) that those poor guys on their way home to their loved ones lost their lives... why do my threads always turn into debates??? I wish it would all end but not until the lives lost have not been lost in vain... everyone in this thread I do hear you... Vote make a difference and change the world... arguing doesnt solve anything... Patriotic in Massachusetts still hoping they wont turn my kid around and take him back right now...ree |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by sherryberry on Nov 4th, 2003, 7:30pm Into the stark silence of death, she walks. The once fertile ground now soaked with the blood of humanity's children and the salt of mothers tears. On the high winds can be heard the echos... Echos of prayers. Prayers in all languages and to all Gods. And in her eyes can be seen the answers to those prayers... answers not heard... Answers that dwelt among them all along... Yet, not heard... not heeded... And now there is silence, only silence as she gathers her children... and takes them home. |
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Title: Re: LET US PRAY... Post by Ree on Nov 4th, 2003, 8:43pm that my friend is beautiful... did you write it??? Thanks for that look into reality... I also write poetry... again beautiful... ree |
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