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Title: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 27th, 2003, 2:13pm How many of you on the board have ever been diagnosed with depression? Just curious if there is a correlation between depression and CHs. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by UnsolvedEquation on Aug 27th, 2003, 2:33pm I've never been diagnosed with depression although I can see how a CH sufferer can become depressed. CH has litterally sucked most the social life right out of me. CH for me feels like being in a car wreck and putting my head through the windshield ... a few times everyday. Then you wake up and know it's going to happen again. When you start to feel like no one can help ... depression sets in. A neurologists told one ... " You WILL eventually gain control " ... that one sentence has really helped me out alot. Keep your head high because you WILL eventually gain control too ! :) |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 27th, 2003, 2:37pm I guess what I meant was has anyone here been diagnosed with depression NOT resulting from cluster headaches? |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by forgetfulnot on Aug 27th, 2003, 2:41pm My take is CH = Depression, yes. Depression = CH, no. Lee |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Bob P on Aug 27th, 2003, 2:50pm CH and depression both involve messed up serotonin levels. Somebody else will have to refine this link for ya. Oh, and some anitdepressents will stop clusters in some people (Elavil). |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by stuey on Aug 27th, 2003, 3:32pm I have had serious bouts of depression for years and lots of suicidual thoughts before the onset of the CH. I've taken Zoloft for over a year and am taking the elavil now as a preventative. My mom has it bad, whether it's passed down I don't know. I like the way Lee said it that depression equals CH - No. There's plenty out to depress you besides CH. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by jonny on Aug 27th, 2003, 3:36pm Sprinkle a little Lithium on your cornflakes in the morning and youll be good to go ;D ...........................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 27th, 2003, 3:37pm on 08/27/03 at 15:32:51, stuey wrote:
That's for sure! I've been on Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor and now Celexa. Celexa seems to be working pretty well for me. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 27th, 2003, 3:42pm on 08/27/03 at 15:36:25, jonny wrote:
You're too funny!!! lol |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Hirvimaki on Aug 27th, 2003, 4:01pm I have battled with pretty serious manic-depressive issues (now adays called bipolar) for years before the onset of CH. I'm not conviced that they are mutually exclusive nor that they are intertwined. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Cooked Brain on Aug 27th, 2003, 6:01pm I haven't been diagnosed, but I know the times that I was depressed. All I had to do to get out of it was getting the CH diagnose and starting to fight the beast with some serious artillerie. So far so good... I think I posted this earier, but recent studies in Holland and Belgium have shown that CH is related to a lack of certain brain hormones that cause the vessels to expand. The main suspected hormones are testosteron, serotonin and melatonin; the last two being also related to depression, as these two regulate the sense of well-being in the mind. This would show a relation between CH and depression. Im hoping to read more about this soon. pfdan 2 all |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by OneEyeBlind on Aug 27th, 2003, 6:10pm Jewel, I had a massive panic attack which landed me in the hospital via an ambulance. After that the doc put me on Paxil. Paxil is used by some to control the CH. I had my first bout with CH after disconinuing the Paxil. I am still (in my mind .. not research based) sure that the imbalance of Serotin caused by disconinuing the Paxil brought on the cluster headaches. I will never again touch a Serotin enhancer in my life. I've gone over a year without a cluster ............ and am loving life !!!!!!!!! I think Serotonin levels are the key ........ but that is just MHO. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Danish on Aug 27th, 2003, 6:31pm I've been a Clusterhead for 27 years now - 8 years ago i got my first panic anxiety/attack - and since may 2003 I've taken Lexapro. I went into a new CH cycle in the beginning of August and it lasted 22 days - I've been PF 4 days now. What I'm trying to say = NO change in my CH at all after taking Lexapor - same pattern as ALWAYS! 3 weeks of CH and that's it... no changes for me. I'm SO happy this cycle is over. I even had 3 glasses of red wine this evening and NOTHING happened... lucky me! :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Cooked Brain on Aug 27th, 2003, 6:47pm Quote:
don't push your luck yet Danish ;D |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Opus on Aug 27th, 2003, 7:08pm Jewel, I was taking Zoloft for depression while out of a cycle, The meds helped the depression a lot but two months after starting I started an early cycle. The cycle wasn't too bad and it stopped one week after stopping zoloft. I don't know what caused the early cycle as I started another cycle three months later. Why my depression became severe while PF is beyond me. But I will becareful before I take antidepressants again for a while. Opus/Paul |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by cootie on Aug 27th, 2003, 8:33pm paxil baaaaaaaaaaaaaad................................... :P |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by StanTheMan on Aug 27th, 2003, 9:41pm I had an emotional breakdown back in '88, which sent me into a major bout with depression. I was put on Trazadone, which I take to this day. (The depression lifted over time, but my sleep clock never got straightened out. Didn't get CH's until '92. A connection between the two? I've wondered the same thing myself, Jewell, but somehow I kinda doubt it. BTW, I am curious to hear more about other's experiences with Paxil. My doc wants me to try and get off the Trazadone - (which is fine with me), but he put me on Paxil -- fairly low dose (25 mg.) Feedback on this is most welcome! StanTheMan |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by eyes_afire on Aug 27th, 2003, 10:06pm Jewel I have been diagnosed with depression on a few occasions. Stan I will never touch Paxil again. Discontinuing it wrecked me for a long time afterward. I've cursed it on this board in the past, would rather not go into it here again. I'm sure it has positive effects for some people with certain problems, but my experience with it was downright SCARY. --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by paul_b on Aug 27th, 2003, 10:17pm Depression with a capital "D" is the real thing and from the meds you mentioned, your doc must have diagnosed it. I have had CH's for a long time but experiencing Depression is not my makeup. I go emotionally numb when I go over the edge. Just take Jonny's advice and keep on truckin. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by kim on Aug 27th, 2003, 10:25pm Jewel, look up 5ht. Lots of discussion about serotonin and the links therin. :) |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by cootie on Aug 27th, 2003, 11:06pm StanTheMan......I know people on paxil doin jus fine......esp a few guys on and staying on "low doses" under 25 mgs. I have a girlfreind that is up to 75 mgs a day.......I couldn't imagine that . I curse the word and cringe. But I was on 40 mgs for over 2 yrs....got to where I didn't want to do anything anymore which is NOT LIKE ME. So my reason for takeing it was being defeated.....I wasn't happy with myself at how I looked (weight gain) which I could NOT handle. I had NO emotions anymore.....NONE.....could NOT cry or feel too upset about anything. It was time to get off that stuff cuz I was developeing new problems cuz of it big time. I quit takeing it within about a 3 day stretch and got VERY ill. Was shakey and weak......my hair got really dull and began to come out in patches.....I had a hard time gettin back into the swing of things and haveing a good time.......after about 6 months I was able to loose the weight I'd gain'd but lost 18 lbs in about 3 weeks.....ouch. Now I had to deal with feeling horrible and exhausted.....lookin sickly and feelin sick and lost about a year goin thru all that. Panic feelings ect started to come back all of a sudden too fast but took a good 6 months......thru me into anuther loop hole. Everyone is different so do what is best for you. Have you ever tried Celexa ? Have heard it doesn't cause the weight gain and not as hard to quit and works rather quickly. Paxil may work for you tho....it does work fast....but you need to recognize when it has become a problem in due time. Good luck to ya.....I don't mean to stear you away from it or doin what yer doc suggests. Jus pay attention....and maybe some of this info will help. Pam the anti-paxil-child |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 28th, 2003, 7:26am on 08/27/03 at 20:33:08, cootie wrote:
Effexor....................reeeaaallly baaaaaaaaaaaad!! |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 28th, 2003, 7:29am on 08/27/03 at 21:41:00, StanTheMan wrote:
Trazodone is a wonder drug. Oh, never mind, that's clonazapam. ;D P.S. I would not try Paxil. I've heard many horror stories. Also heard that withdrawal is just as bad as Effexor. Effexor and Paxil are bad, bad, bad. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by aprilbee on Aug 28th, 2003, 7:33am I have not been diagnosed with depression, but I have been diagnosed with panic attacks, and I take Effexor, and it has made such a difference in my life, no more terrifying "heart flutters" (not sure what else to call them) and losing my breath. I have had CH since I was 12 years old and this is the first time I have been diagnosed with some kind of mental disorder, I don't attribute my panic attacks with CH, but maybe depression is related. I guess I'm totally off the subject of depression, huh? Sorry, I just wanted to join in on the discussion... ;) PFDAN!! |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by ksmiggy on Aug 28th, 2003, 7:40am Only depression i experienced was due to CH, had panic attacks, before was diagnosed, but once i knew what was happenning ( ie CH), they stopped, i know it is easy to say, but Jonny is right, you gotta keep trucking, fight it. long bouts of CH are bound to get to you in the end, even the strongest of us will admit to that. PFDANS to all |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by CryingInPain on Aug 28th, 2003, 10:24am Wow I loved this post!! I was wondering the same thing because I was diagnosed years ago with Depression and Post Tramatic Stress Disorder ( Childhood wasnt pretty) and I was wondering because some of my past came to bite me in the ass about a week before the CH's started so I was running with the depression serotonin levels as a possible trigger for the Ch's. I have even had an appt with my old shrink to discuss this with him and possibly get on meds again thinking it might help. But from reading this post I am realizing NAH, another theory out the window! ~Hugs~ Jen |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 28th, 2003, 11:09am Really makes you wonder, doesn't it? |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by cootie on Aug 28th, 2003, 11:15am I've 'heard' quittin paxil withdrawl is simialr to herion withdrawl......now that's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD ! I've not heard much bad about zoloft or celexa 'yet' so maybe those are some options for people in need and ta ask the doc about. Paxil did work mind you.....but I took it too long and tried to quit it too quick cuz I hated what I had become too much ! I turned into a SLOB ! That is NOT ME at all......didn't do housework and jus let dishes go and stuff piled up I am STILL to this day tryin to sort out and clean out and it's been 2 years since I QUIT. I dressed like a bum and didn't even shave my legs regular unless I had to cuz of goin somewhere. Now that is very very VERY bad it makes you that care free you don't even carea bout yerself.....esp when that wasn't the intent of takein the med !!! So be careful...it's a jungle out there !! Pam with the dead cd rom and smooth runnin pooter now |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 28th, 2003, 11:20am Effexor withdrawal was a nightmare. Body shocks every other second for 2 weeks straight. Eeerie. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by eyes_afire on Aug 28th, 2003, 11:59am Yeah Cootie, the withdrawl is hellacious. Finally, after failing twice previous by tapering, on the third try I went cold turkey. Sick and constantly dizzy for a month. One week in particular was really bad with shakes, projectile vomiting, electric zaps, and everything. I really belonged in the hospital (my 'babysitter' wanted me there). Good thing is it only happens to some people who take it. For those people... poor bastards... don't know what they're in for... --- Steve |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by zanychef on Aug 28th, 2003, 12:12pm i am diagonesed as a neurotic depressive (whatever that is lol) i don't take any meds for it anymore,I don't thimk there is a connection between the two although at the time of my diagnosis i was in a nerve clinic being treated for my ch ian |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 28th, 2003, 12:20pm on 08/28/03 at 11:59:24, eyes_afire wrote:
It blows my mind that the doctors don't warn you about the withdrawal BEFORE you take the drug. That pisses me off. >:( |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by judyw on Aug 28th, 2003, 1:12pm Depression, is that like having a headache??? I was diagnosed with depression before I could even get a doctor to acknowledge women got CH...Having worked in a mental hospital, had pain management, biofeedback and most things going down the pike, I think that depression is a state of mind with as many variables as CH...What works for one, might be detrimental to another...as stated...I think anyone who has chronic pain or pain of any duration suffers from some depression...how can we not when the pain is so unrelenting...Many years after the depression dx, was put on Desyril to help cope with the chronic pain, not of the CH, but back and knee injuries...Thankfully, by then, I had gotten a dx of Chronic CH and under control...My drug of choice now is to stay as mentally diverted from the pain as I can, and when I feel the the need, I find a quiet place to regroup...or I read the message board... |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 28th, 2003, 1:47pm I wish I actually had a reason to be depressed. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by jonny on Aug 28th, 2003, 7:20pm Look at Don's picture, you will get real depressed knowing he's the OUCH president.......LMMFAO ;D ...............................jonny |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by suzy617 on Aug 28th, 2003, 7:27pm Jonny, I'm telling. ;D Suzy |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by hopefull on Aug 28th, 2003, 9:22pm told I was having panic attacks 18 years ago then told i was depressed and given many meds till settled on norpramine....which was great till the ear ringing started...tried prozac and paxil....made panic attacks worse...so now i just deal....HA's started 28 years ago.. |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Ree on Aug 28th, 2003, 11:37pm tonight I have depression......................... ree (who is really really sad tonight) |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Big_Dan on Aug 28th, 2003, 11:47pm I have been in the past.... and I get little spurts of it here and there.... ... alot of it has to do with the fact that I'm not home very often because of work... In fact, right now I'm in Poplar Bluff, MO (Mullet fest ::)), wich is roughly 300 miles from home, and am currently shadowing. I'm going to be here except for weekends for the next year... -Big Dan |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Jewel on Aug 29th, 2003, 8:01am on 08/28/03 at 19:20:00, jonny wrote:
You kill me!!! Hahahaha! |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by Tim_w on Aug 29th, 2003, 1:36pm Jewel 2 months ago I didnt know what depression was. witheverthing going on in my life (now I do) it sucks! Working my way through it. not easy! PAIN FREE WISHS AROUND THE ROOM! Tim_w |
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Title: Re: Depression Post by jonny on Aug 29th, 2003, 3:33pm on 08/29/03 at 08:01:39, Jewel wrote:
No no no!!, please dont say that, im being blamed for enough non truths as it is.....I dont need to be blamed for your death (unless I get to discover the body and your wearing a thong ;D) ...........................jonny :P :D |
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