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Title: Flying the flag Post by CJohnson on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:23am I have heard that you are supposed to fly the american flag from sunrise to sunset only, unless it is illuminated at night. However, I have also heard that it doesn't apply to a flag at your house. Does anyone take their flag down at night and put it back up in the morning? I have been just keeping it up all night, and it is not illuminated. PFDANs -Curtis |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by echo on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:26am I take down at sunset and put up at sunrise. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Mark C on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:31am http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE/gif/2/u/3dflagsdotcom_usa_2fawl.gif ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by clavers on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:35am I fly the flag at home night and day as long as it is not raining. Of course I fly the Confederate Flag. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by echo on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:39am §174. Time and occasions for display (a) Display on buildings and stationary flagstaffs in open; night display It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness. (b) Manner of hoisting The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously. (c) Inclement weather The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by BlackDog on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:52am Ours flys 24/7. Except for rain and high winds. It is illuminated at night. A few months ago all the flags on our street were stolen. Last month our police dept. found 16 flags at the bottom of a pond. It broke my heart.... Happy 4th Everybody! Darren |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by don on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:53am Quote:
This also applys to flying at half mast. Should be raised briskly to the top first and then slowly lowered to the half mast position. While in Ft Lauderdale, eating on a second floor plaza, my wife and I noticed a small flag in the roadway below being run over. Just as we noticed it a guy on a mountain bike hopped off and dodged traffic to rescue the flag. He recieved and resounding round of applause from the diners and horn salutes from passing vehicles that had stopped to allow him to return to his bike. The little flag held above his head. A special moment in Lauderdale. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by NotH20 on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:59am Our flag is up 24/7 attached to the side of our house. There is a light there as well that stays on at night. We take it down when it's too windy. Keep 'em flying everyone! :) Mia |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Live4Fun on Jul 3rd, 2003, 11:26am Only during the day. I live in a condo association so I cannot have a dedicated light pointed at the flag. I have however flown it before in the dark, forgetting to take it down. However, I feel that flying the flag in the dark is not exactly a disrespect - unless you personally mean it to be. I would rather see a house with a flag flying 24/7, dedicated light or no dedicated light, than to see a house with no flag at all. Just the thoughts of a patriotic clusterhead :) Bryan |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 3rd, 2003, 2:42pm I fly a flag 24/7 @ my house, too. I have a spot that is timed to come on at dusk and goes off at dawn. Preferrably, the flag should not be flown in incliment weather but I do. I also have a 46 star flag (dates to the 46th state, Oklahoma, admitted on Nov 16, 1907) that has been in my family since about 1918. I had it professionaly restored last year and fly it on 4th of July, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Sept 11 only. The flag is approximately 10' x 15'; she's a beauty! Tom |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Big_Dan on Jul 3rd, 2003, 2:46pm on 07/03/03 at 10:35:54, clavers wrote:
... you lost, get over it.... ;D -Big Dan |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by cootie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 3:14pm We have two big flags flyin 24/7...one on the garage and one on the front porch but both stay up. We have lights on in back and on the front porch all nite.......dam punks on these back country roads so we keep the place lit up. House got blasted with paint balls last weekend but they missed the flag and they missed the front window but hit on both sides close....not sure what they were aimin at. One big one few years back went 'thru' the sideing ! The flag on our bike stays also 24/7 and flaps behind us where ever we go. Mello-Yello paint ball Pammie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Mark C on Jul 3rd, 2003, 4:29pm "Criminal penalties for certain acts of desecration to the flag were contained in Title 18 of the United States Code prior to 1989. The Supreme Court decision in Texas v. Johnson; June 21, 1989, held the statute unconstitutional. This statute was amended when the Flag Protection Act of 1989 (Oct. 28, 1989) imposed a fine and/or up to 1 year in prison for knowingly mutilating, defacing, physically defiling, maintaining on the floor or trampling upon any flag of the United States. The Flag Protection Act of 1989 was struck down by the Supreme Court decision, United States vs. Eichman (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=496&invol=310), decided on June 11, 1990." http://a1-bookmarks.com/images/usa-flag.gif http://www.flags2000.com.au/images/us43_large.gif |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by BlackDog on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:08pm on 07/03/03 at 16:29:59, Mark C wrote:
Punnishment should be immediate deportation and loss of citizenship. The fact that it is not so is part of what makes us great. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by FrankF on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:10pm The U.S. flag flies outside my house 24/7 unless it is raining. ;D I never could figure out why it should be illuminated at night? Why is that considered respectful of the flag? I leave my flag which is in good condition out 24/7... even at night... with no light. However, the California Department of Motor Vehicles office across the road from me illuminates their wind blown faded ripped to shreds flag at night. So they must be more patriotic than me? ??? |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:02pm I fly the flag a lot but I hate to see people wearing variations of flag shirts, hats, etc. I just don't like it. Flag protection isn't something to be codified. Screwing it up isn't something I'd do nor do I like it. However, the conservative answer is to leave it alone. Making an issue of it, makes it more frequent. This is the kind of thing that so so candidates use to get a few more votes. It's rare.....for now. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ree on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:17pm http://tinyurl.com/g01 I have been flying my flag since we bought our house... at times I used to change my flags for different holidays. but since Sept 11,2001 the United States flag has flown proudly at my house... and now since March 5th with a spot light and my yellow ribbon on the little tree out front... To date it has 3 other ribbons one for every month that Sean is deployed I will be adding another on the 5th of July... I have never thought the flag was as beautiful as I do now... and what it symbolizes to me... happy 4th everyone love Ree |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 3rd, 2003, 10:46pm Beautiful picture Ree. Here's hoping he'll be home soon to enjoy what he's been helping to preserve. Have a great day. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by tommyD on Jul 4th, 2003, 9:18am The Flag Code is a voluntary guideline, and that's as it should be. The Supreme Court was right to strike down efforts to make it law. If it comes to a choice between shredding the flag and shredding the Constitution, I say shred the flag. A lot of folks get upset when protestors burn the flag. It bothers me, too, sometimes, to a certain degree: it a waste of a perfectly good flag, and often it is done too lightly... To me, burning the U.S. flag is an extreme form of speech, to be expressed only in the most extreme circumstances... the same circumstances in which a full revolution is called for. As TommyJ once wrote..."When in the course of human Events, it becomes necessary..." In less extreme circumstances, better to fly the flag upside down, as a signal of freedom and democracy in peril and distress. I realized yesterday, July 3, I did not have a flag to fly on the Fourth... thinking about it, I decided I should get a 13-star flag, to honor the spirit of freedom, of independence, of the questioniung of authority and the challenging of tyranny, that TJ and his friends felt when they signed the document we celebrate today. But I couldn't find one in time. I will pledge to get one soon, and get it flying. -tommyD |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by andy on Jul 4th, 2003, 9:20am 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all' Everyone have a fun and safe PF holiday .........andy |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by tommyD on Jul 4th, 2003, 9:38am I like my version better: "I pledge allegiance, not to the flag, of the United States of America, but to the Constitution for which it stands, one nation, of the people, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." I say this pledge a couple times a week as I attend various meetings of various local governments. I have another version as well, that I think has better meaning: "I pledge allegiance, to the Republic, of the United States of America, and to the Constitution which makes it possible, one nation, of the people, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." But the second version doesn't scan along with the usual version when reciting with other citizens. -tommyD |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 4th, 2003, 3:33pm Damned good T For me, I wish we still used the 13 star. Less complicated. Neither are easy to make and perhaps that's a good thing. So far, we've done well keeping it together. It can take a beating too. What is represents is the important thing. Happy 4th kids Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ree on Jul 4th, 2003, 6:26pm Here is Tom M's 46 star flag and the gorgeous house attatched to it...........cool house Tom... I am moving back to MD...LOLhttp://tinyurl.com/g27g Ree |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 5th, 2003, 12:10am Thank You, Ree! :) Now y'all have seen the house and Expo parked in the drive. If you see a tan Expediton w/ a cooler on the front, MD plates, and Coast Guard stickers on it, it's me. Honk and flag me down. We'll have some brews because that cooler is usually stocked w/ cold Amstels and water. BTW--the garage attached to the house is really just a roof for the beer fridge. :D Thanx again, Ree! Happy 4th to all! TomM 8) |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Locomotive_Skull on Jul 5th, 2003, 9:05pm on 07/03/03 at 10:35:54, clavers wrote:
Me too brother. ;D I fly my American Flag upside down inside my garage. It is the international sign of a soldier in distress. Being a former soldier, and seeing my country heading for a disaster, I will not raise my flag in the proper manner until MY country is on the right path once agian........ >:( |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 6th, 2003, 1:06am Ya know... If I was going to disrespect the Flag by purposely displaying it improperly, or improperly recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and therefore show further disrespect to the Flag, I damn well wouldn't be proud of it and certainly wouldn't brag about it. I'm not normally an overly patriotic person, but I hold the Flag of the United States of America with honor, and display it with pride. I will not desecrate it, or dishonor it, for that would symbolize a great disservice to the men and women who have fought and died for that Flag, and the freedoms it represent. You may not like the Flag, or the country it symbolizes, but remember... It's those same freedoms that you're disgracing that allows you to show such disrespect. Please show some common courtesy, and not rub your disrespect in other people's faces. Thank you. PFDAN................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Anthem on Jul 6th, 2003, 9:18am As an active duty military member, I serve to uphold the Constitution of the US. Part of that Constitution is Freedom of Speech--Freedom of Speech for EVERYONE, not a select few, and not just the very select few who happen to be in power at the time. The US Flag is a symbol. It is a symbol that concretizes everything this Nation stands for. You can take away the symbol all you want, desecrate it all you want, burn it all you want, and it does not affect the underlying premises for which it stands. You can burn a piece of cloth all you want. You can do whatever you want to your own property. Burning your own flag is your own perogative. It is in my opinion, a valid form of protest--because you are burning your own property (i.e., FREEDOM to do as you wish with what you own). No one can hurt the ideas that the flag stands for by burning a flag. They are merely burning a piece of cloth we all have assigned a specific meaning to--but it is still just a piece of cloth. By hanging the flag upside down, I think that is an even better form of protest against that which you think "should be". (Keeping it in your garage is probably a safe thing to do, since you are really just reminding yourself where you think this country is headed, and irrational people won't understand, nor give you a chance to explain.) Do I agree with flag burning? As personal property, sure--it doesn't effect me one bit--no one can makeme change my values by burning a piece of cloth. I also think that the FBI should investigate anyone who publically does it. Everyone should be free to agree or disagree with their government--but don't fight against the fundamentals this country was built upon; that person should be arrested. Governments come and go; people come and go; the premises behind this country have not. Protest your government (if you choose)--but support the nation; support the troops. They fight to keep your freedoms--even if that freedom is a protest. Clark |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 6th, 2003, 10:28am Clark, interesting point of view. I truly dislike seeing some one burn the flag, stomp on it, or display it irreverently but am learning that is their right. They are allowed to protest and if they choose to do it that way, so be it. TomM |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 6th, 2003, 10:35am on 07/03/03 at 19:08:05, BlackDog wrote:
This is the way democracy ends. Not with a bang but a whimper. (apologies to TS Eliot for the corruption of the original version) on 07/03/03 at 19:08:05, BlackDog wrote:
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by FrankF on Jul 6th, 2003, 10:36am I just read the results of a CNN poll that says 70% of people polled (presumeably Americans) are proud to be Americans http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2312263/detail.html WTF is wrong with the other 30%? ??? |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by don on Jul 6th, 2003, 10:42am My guess Frank, and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, is that they are confusing politics with priciples. I am not proud of of Mini Bush and his continuous posturing and lies (WMD-Gimme a fuckin break) but I'll always be proud of the principles we stand for. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 6th, 2003, 10:48am on 07/06/03 at 10:42:47, don wrote:
Those were my thoughts too. People confusing present politics with our enduring legacy |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by don on Jul 6th, 2003, 11:06am We are invading Iraq because; 1. To eliminate Weapons of Mass Destruction. (politics) 2. To remove an evil mass murdering dictator. (principles) I would have been fine with number 2. |
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Title: uh Post by rumplestiltskin on Jul 6th, 2003, 11:19am ...ok...the 4th is over...i stayed clear of this....but then Frank asked the question... I am pleased as punch to live where I do. I love the ideals that my country is based on. I'm not proud that today money and greed power the policies that cause us to rape the world and our fellow citizens...and that in classic "orwellian" style the media has the citizens cheering for more blood. That as each abomination surfaces...they change the subject...and the people forget...till they stir em up again. Twice as many Iraqi civilians have now been slaughtered as people killed on 9-11...including my young cousin. A well orchistrated oil deal....that proudly flies that flag on the derricks now.....and the not so newsworthy killing continues...and the American people just nod and forget and support that kind of stuff over and over. I'm proud of our flag as it's attached to our humanitarian efforts at home and abroad. If we put all our efforts there the flag would be respected...not feared as it is now. Freedom is free. Endowed by the creator. It's men that think they take it away and then try to charge me to get it back. What is it that scares you so much about me saying this that makes you want to silence, imprison, torture and kill me?....or convince yer youth to do it for you? If I get any louder you will do it...for freedoms sake. Wage peace den |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Locomotive_Skull on Jul 6th, 2003, 11:44am Quote:
In no way am I disrespecting the flag. I don't sit around taking for granted what was done to make this country what it is. I don't fly my flag like all these yahoos you see on TV do with their false patriotism and "Let's get em' cowboy" cheesy slogans. I did not have to run out after 9-11 and buy some flag made in fucking China, I already had one. Makes me sick to my stomach all this "Now we are united" media jargon. Support communism ye americans, buy your "Proud to be an American" tee-shirt and your nice, new, shiny AMERICAN Flag, with a made in China symbol of "freedom" on the inside. I have served my country during a time of "war". I have every right as an AMERICAN, by birthright and bloodright, to express my frustration and distress. |
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Title: Re: uh Post by Ted on Jul 6th, 2003, 11:46am on 07/06/03 at 11:19:03, rumplestiltskin wrote:
And hence, freedom of speech isn't free, as my tagline says. The price is paid through vigilance against the people who want to shut up and punish the minority (or majority). In the most benign case, it was us getting flamed and the attempts to silence us during the war, which is when I did change my tagline to that. It was also paid in the Reagan years when I used to get my ass-whuppings for speaking out against war, nuclear weapons and various other topics. It was the price paid by many of those who stood up to the House UnAmerican Affairs Committee. It was the price many of our soldiers paid to get it to begin with and keep it since. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by BobG on Jul 6th, 2003, 11:57am don, 2. To remove an evil mass murdering dictator that didn't let the American oil companies share in the billion$ (principles and cash) 3. three words: oil, cash, repeat |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 6th, 2003, 1:37pm Loco... I never once said that you couldn't fly your Flag improperly... I simply made the comment that if I did, I wouldn't brag about it. As the Constitution says, and the Surpreme Court has reinterated, we have freedom of expression. You can do as you want with the Flag. And btw... My Flag was not made in China. I did not buy my Flag from Walmart, or any other superstore that only sees the Flag as merchandise to be sold. And I do not fly the Flag because it's the "in" thing to do. I bought my Flag from the American Legion, it was made in the United States of America out of American materials, I fly my Flag honorably and respectfully, and when my Flag becomes worn, tattered, or frayed, I will hand my Flag back to the American Legion to retire it properly and respectfully. PFDAN................................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by BobG on Jul 6th, 2003, 1:47pm Our church sponsers a Boy Scout troop. As a fund raiser, every holiday, the young men put up flags on houses and/or business. The subscription for this is $40 a year. They put the flag up at sunrise and take them down at sunset. The flags were donated to the scout troop by the American Legion and made in the USA. I checked on both. Pretty good deal.....40 bucks to the scout troop and a flag every holiday. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 6th, 2003, 2:00pm on 07/06/03 at 13:47:50, BobG wrote:
There's a priest joke in there somewhere. I can just feel it. :-) |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by BobG on Jul 6th, 2003, 2:12pm LOL Ted :D But, not to fear, we're not Chatholics. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 6th, 2003, 2:16pm No true American flag has the word God on it. I'm expecting all those who believe the corruption of the the original Pledge of Allegiance is the only right way to say it send me their Godless flags. I wouldn't want you to carry something around representing our government without the word "God" emblazoned on it. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by eyes_afire on Jul 6th, 2003, 3:14pm The phrase 'under god' in the pledge wasn't part of the pledge until 1954, so removing that phrase actually returns it more to its original state. Anyway, here is more info on the topic (a few people are gonna be surprised): http://history.vineyard.net//pledge.htm The phrase 'in god we trust' didn't start appearing on coins until 1864 and was later removed. It wasn't until 1938 that the phrase 'in god we trust' made it to all U.S. coins. http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html I don't know, maybe it's just me, but personally I find it a bit ironic that one of the most materialistic nations in the history of the planet has 'in god we trust' on it's money. http://home.att.net/~witchfinder/confused_smiley.gif |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 6th, 2003, 10:23pm Molly Ivins wrote, pretty much: “I’m tired of being lectured about patriotism by those who have off-shore mail drops to avoid paying taxes.” Garrison Keillor wrote that the most un-American thing you can say is: 'You can't say that.' Applies well to this thread. For those who love John Ashcroft, arguably the most dangerous man in DC, Franklin’s quote that “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Never more on the mark. There's was something not quite right about our convenient saying: "I'm against the war but support our troops." It gives us an answer of sorts and bores us into not asking follow-up questions. War forces us to say stupid things. As for the: “In God We Trust" stuff. It doesn't really bug me all that much. Litigation and lawsuits over this silliness seem to me a ridiculous waste of time and money. It's a horrible thing to run this shit through the courts rather than use money and effort for something useful. It only helps those who want it on everything. So long as I'm free to express my displeasure of those who claim to speak for a deity; nativity scenes, and slabs of granite expressing some pretty decent ideas in an Alabama court house, aren’t getting much in my way. (Feel free to have your picture taken next to it. Exciting, No?) I can't say I'm crazy about this stuff but there are so many other things that need our attention Placing boring sayings on money, isn't exciting either unless we make it so. Suing helps the Falwell types rake in more loot. If we shut up about it, they may have to dip into their money bins now and then. Oh, the flag: Where it’s made has nothing to do with what it represents. Taiwanese flags are cheaper and allow more people to put them on display. The flag isn't the country. We are. Mean old Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 6th, 2003, 10:38pm Yeah... But who would want to fly the Taiwanese flag on the American Independence Day? Unless you lived in Taiwan, but then that don't make any sense, because they haven't even won their own independence... Why would they celebrate our's? Now I'm all confused... PFDAN..................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 7th, 2003, 7:22am on 07/06/03 at 13:37:05, Drk^Angel wrote:
Drk--well put. Loco--Did you see my 46 star flag ? So not all of us are jumping on the band wagon. And if some are, so be it. Better to be patriotic than tearing down shit, burning buildings, selling drugs, doing drive byes, and looting. Ole Charlie--You are wiser than you are olde! ;) TomM--veteran, patriot, family man. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 7th, 2003, 10:22am on 07/06/03 at 14:16:59, Ted wrote:
Just to keep it clear for those who might have missed it, this was in response to KOP's 2 posts taunting those who believe in the seperation of church and state to send him all their money since it says on it "In God We Trust." He has since pulled those posts. I just didn't want this to be read out of context. I always figured writing something, getting a response and then pulling what you wrote from the board was as bad as quoting someone out of context in a reply. We now return you to your irregular programing. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Slammy on Jul 7th, 2003, 10:59am on 07/07/03 at 10:22:30, Ted wrote:
That's twice this year we have actually agreed on something.... quit it! ;D Slammy 8) |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 7th, 2003, 12:14pm on 07/07/03 at 12:11:21, KingOfPain wrote:
Yup. Why do you ask? And don't forget to pull your posts now, which is why I captured one of them. LOL |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 7th, 2003, 1:48pm Quote:
Me too, especially since I tend to read the board later in the day and need all the help I can get By the way, I probably don't need to do this but I meant Tiawanese MADE flags. An awful lot of them are indeed made on that pain in the ass island. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by oringkid on Jul 7th, 2003, 10:24pm Funny, when I first started reading this post I was very excited and happy due to Mark posting the United States Code ie flag rules, because my flag is old and tattered and I wanted to know what the correct way to dispose of it might be... I found, through that post, that I should burn it. Then I read on...and found that I am not doing much correctly, although part of that Code says that basically if you truly mean no disrespect, little things aren't so bad. Like me, I fly my flag 24/7....I have no light to show on it....I fly it until it becomes torn or fades etc. It is a simple flag .... from Walmart.... but made in the USA. It is what I can afford. But that little flag, improperly displayed though it might be, symbolizes for me my love and pride for my country.... my thankfulness that I was lucky enough to be born here. My flag may be humble and flown too long and in rain and wind and it may be a Walmart special, but it represents me and those that came before me and worked and starved and fought and died to make this place a better place to live than most other countries. Thank you Mark for posting that link so that I now know the proper way to dispose of my improperly displayed Walmart flag. Sherry |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 8th, 2003, 12:56am Kid... Take it to your local American Legion or VFW, and they'll probably take care of it for you next Flag Day... They'll make sure it is retired in a proper and respectful manner. If you do decide to retire it yourself, you should do it privately in a solemn, respectful manner... You shouldn't let the Flag touch the ground, firepit, or any other existing ashes while it is burning. The Flag's ashes should be collected and disposed of in a respectful manner (i.e. you should respect the ashes as you would the remains of a loved one). This is how I've always been raised to do it, so as to show as much respect as possible. PFDAN....................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 8th, 2003, 7:46am on 07/08/03 at 00:56:55, Drk^Angel wrote:
Hey, Kid. You're a vet. March down to your local Legion or VFW and use those beautiful blue eyes and your DD214 to get a new one. TomM 8) |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 8th, 2003, 9:35am Tom... I know the Legion in my area has been known to give away a few Flags to people when they have extras on hand. If not, I know you can order one from their catalog for a fair price. PFDAN............................................ Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 8th, 2003, 12:53pm Thanks, Drk. Here is another idea. Write your senator {http://mikulski.senate.gov/--mine is Barabara Milkulski} and ask for a flag that was flown on the U.S. Capitol. Read this: "U.S. Flag Order Form Your United States Flag All flags purchased through Congress are made in the USA. Your flag can be flown over the U.S. Capitol on the date you select. Flags are flown 365 days a year. The flying fee is $4.05 per flag. A certificate of authenticity is included with your flag. If your flag is mailed to you, $4.00 is added to the price for shipping and handling. You may pick up the flag from the Washington office to avoid this fee. If you're planning on flying your flag outside, nylon is recommended." TomM |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Locomotive_Skull on Jul 8th, 2003, 9:31pm Quote:
I don't want anyone here to think those comments were directed towards them personaly. It was more of a general statement, the reason for my frustration with the "Americans" who do jump on the bandwagon. Quote:
I can't find any connection between being a flag waving yahoo and drive by shootings. Here was the "patriotism" I witnessed on 9-11= First, everyone was in a mad panic to buy gasoline, fighting with each other over who was first in line. Second, after they realized the gas scare was just a bunch of hype, they were in a mad panic to buy American flags. That is not patriotism. I hang my flag upside down because I see our country turning into a cess-pool of third-worlders, our troops being killed over some other country whos inhabitants hate us, our aid to Israel that funds an army of CAT bulldozers, tearing down peoples homes, my child, who gets "second-in-line" treatment into her future college because of the color of her skin. The list could go on and on. No country is perfect. But I can see when it's present course is changing for the worse. Ask anyone, they know things are getting worse also. Nobody says things are getting better. Because they are not. I love America, but am in great distress concerning the path she is headed on. I do not hang my flag improperly, nor do I disrespect it. I love it and care deeply enough about it to give a shit. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 8th, 2003, 9:44pm TITLE 36 CHAPTER 10 §175. Position and manner of display (i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. §176. Respect for flag (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. PFDAN.................................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Woobie on Jul 9th, 2003, 5:12pm ok - this may be a stupid question... and i'll prolly regret this... but what is a 46 star flag? ???? never heard of such a thing?? (dont laugh.. i really have NO clue!!) tina :-* |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by jonny on Jul 9th, 2003, 5:49pm on 07/06/03 at 09:18:13, Anthem wrote:
FUCKENEH USA!!! ...........................jonny |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 9th, 2003, 6:36pm Woobs... When there was only 46 states in the Union, there was 46 stars on the flag. We add one star for each new state effective the July 4th after the state was added. Such as if we add a 51st state, they'll add another star to the current flag to make it 51 stars. PFDAN.................................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by catlind on Jul 9th, 2003, 6:58pm Canada isn't that 51st star .... yet ;) Cat |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by jonny on Jul 9th, 2003, 7:08pm Fly your flag, dont fly your flag, burn your flag, fly it upside down....do what ever the fuck you want with it. Just shut the fuck up...you Ass-holes, free speech dont mean we have to listen to you.....LOL ;D .....................................jonny |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 9th, 2003, 7:52pm In summation,http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/commentary.gif |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 9th, 2003, 10:02pm on 07/09/03 at 17:12:23, Woobie wrote:
Tina--Oklahoma was admitted to the union on Nov 16, 1907 as the 46th state. The 46 star flag became the offical flag of the United States of America on July 4, 1908. http://www.usis.usemb.se/usflag/flaghist.html#46star Loco--sorry--I guess I made this personal. My apoligies. TomM |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 10th, 2003, 4:03am I think that New Mexico and Arizona were the 47th and 48th stars....1913 or so.......not sure. When the US was founded the stars and stripes was kind of rare and several different kinds existed. There were many more common flags and some were based on the Union Jack. Great Gif Ted. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by KenB on Jul 10th, 2003, 4:11am on 07/03/03 at 10:39:38, echo wrote:
If this applied here in Ireland we'd have our flag displayed about 5 days in the year! ;) |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Woobie on Jul 10th, 2003, 8:31am LMAO! I figured that the 46 star flag was when we had 46 states I guess i wanted to know the significance of flying a 46 star flag. Is it making a statement like flying the confederate flag?? what does it MEAN to fly a 46 start flag.. i guess is what I wanted to know. thanks !! Tina :-* |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by BobG on Jul 10th, 2003, 1:16pm I personally don't care how or why you display the American Flag. If want to use it as a patriotic symbol, fine. Or upside down to show un-happiness with the political system, fine. Or burn it in protest, fine. It is your constitutional right. But, I have to say this.............. If I personally see someone disrespecting the flag of the USA I will forget their constitutional rights and RIP THEIR FUCKIN' HEAD OFF AND STUFF IT DOWN THEIR NECK HOLE. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by NotH20 on Jul 10th, 2003, 3:20pm Well alrighty then Bob....I couldn't have said it better myself :) Rock on!!!!! Mia |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by catlind on Jul 10th, 2003, 4:58pm How very sad. My husband who is active duty air force, and deployed in November 2001 over to the 'stan countries, 2 short months after the despicable acts of 9/11, who has twice deployed to Bosnia in combat roles, who has twice deployed to Korea to the DMZ, to uphold and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States of America, and defend your rights and freedoms, would be the very person who you would declare had no rights and RIP THEIR FUCKIN' HEAD OFF AND STUFF IT DOWN THEIR NECK HOLE should he choose to hang a piece of cloth upside down, even though he has put his money where his mouth is so to speak, actually put his life on the line with the countless others, to ensure your right to fly that very same flag. The flag is merely the symbol that gives something concrete for people to attach the principles and fundamentals of this great country. The map is not the terrain, the flag is not the fundamentals. :'( :'( Cat Cat |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 10th, 2003, 5:14pm All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable--Thomas Jefferson. "Patriotism," is not something soley possessed by the super patriots. They make the word less meaningful as well. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by BobG on Jul 10th, 2003, 5:15pm catlind, You are 100% correct. I very much respect you to stand up and say what you did. I also respect your husband for doing what he is doing for us all. Just for the record, at one time I was in your husband's position just in a different time period and a different place. I have no constitutional right to do as I said and if I did carry out my promise I probably would be arrested, tried and convicted and do jail time. But, it's a personal choice and not a legal or constitutional one. I would just hurt someone for messin' with the flag and take my chances. |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 10th, 2003, 10:05pm Cat... The question is... Would your husband, who has done all he has done to defend the US and the principals it was built on, purposely and publically desecrate the Flag, which is the symbol for the country he has risked his life to defend? Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 11th, 2003, 4:32am I defend my favorite country, not a flag. Flags though are useful and act as convenient symbols. Sadly, they are also used by the KKK, American Nazi Party, and countless militia groups that have no interest in what we are. Too many neo-conservatives waste a great deal of time playing capture the flag away from liberals and progressives. It's infantile. It's fine being a conservative and to be admired. It's not okay to be nuts. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by catlind on Jul 11th, 2003, 7:32am on 07/06/03 at 09:18:13, Anthem wrote:
This was his reply to this thread Drk. I highly doubt he would ever publically disrespect or desecrate the flag. His point and mine, is that no one person or group of protestors can change what this country was built on. The fundamentals of this land are what his patriotism rests in. Not on the flag that symbolizes them for many. As it is, we do not fly a flag. Neither a Canadian one nor a US one. The only flag in this house is one that has been folded properly and is stored away and it flew on the flag pole at Camp Stronghold Freedom, while he was deployed during Operation Enduring Freedom. THAT flag has very specific meaning for him. He fought for it to fly where it did. Were someone to disrespect THAT flag in any way, I am sure his response would be the same as Bob. My point is not to say that you, or Bob or anyone else is wrong for fiercely defending the flag, it is to say that too many people put their patriotism in a piece of cloth, and the fundamentals behind that cloth often go by the wayside. (not implying that applies to you or Bob, just a generalization from observation in real life) I will fight fiercely to defend the principles this country stands on. I will not waste my energy and effort on flag burning protestors. They can burn, turn, or destroy that cloth all they want, they cannot, in any way shape or manner, alter my views of the principles of this country by doing so. Let me ask this: If I take off my wedding rings, (the symbol that shows I'm married) am I any less married? If I sell them, or melt them down to get money for them, or just get pissed off and throw them away, do the rings being destroyed then nullify my vows? For me, the symbols are not what is important. The reason there is a symbol at all is what matters. Cat |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by TomM on Jul 11th, 2003, 8:17am on 07/11/03 at 07:32:26, catlind wrote:
Great analogy, Cat! :D Quote:
Tina--my sole purpose in flying my 46 flag is because it's an heirloom to my family and a piece of national history; something like the Declaration of Independence but not nearly as significant. It is a linen flag (not cotton) and 95 years old. I think that's pretty cool. 8) It's just my way of displaying some patriotism on special occasions with a piece of Americana. I'm not touching the confederate flag thing. ;D TomM 8) |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Woobie on Jul 11th, 2003, 10:24am on 07/11/03 at 08:17:43, TomM wrote:
thanks.. i thought that musta been the deal. i was just making sure i didn't miss sumthin!! LOL tina :-* |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Charlie on Jul 11th, 2003, 9:41pm Tom: Your 46 star flag is pretty valuable today. You might want to use a newer one and save it. I'm not sure of the exact price on them but it's easily more than $100, maybe considerably more. I'm just not sure where it goes from there. Just in case you didn't know Charlie |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Drk^Angel on Jul 12th, 2003, 2:06am Cat... The problem with your analogy is this... Selling, melting down, or throwing away your wedding ring may not nullify your marriage... But wouldn't your husband see those acts as a sign that you are unhappy with the marriage, and wish it over? Wouldn't it hurt him to think you feel that way? It's the same with the Flag... Desecrating the Flag does not end this nation or it's fundemental freedoms, but it hurts to see someone care so little for the land I hold dear. The primary problem I have with people desecrating the Flag as protest is because these people say they don't like the politicians, politics, or certain laws of this country, yet they take it out on the symbol of this land... A symbol that has been around a lot longer than the problems they protest, and does not directly represent what they are protesting. The Flag does not represent the cold politics of the government... It represents the living country... The people of this land... The fundemental freedoms that so many have died for, and will continue to die for... They take their hate of the politics of the government out on all those who came before, and the many that will come after, that believe enough in this land to honor her, respect her, love her, and die for her. Like I've said before though... It's a person's right to express themselves, no matter how disgusting I may find that expression. It's one of the fundemental freedoms that was won under the Flag that they now desecrate. I just don't see the reason for someone to actually be so proud of such an act to boast to the world about it. Oh well... I'm tired of arguing about it... I've got too much to worry about without continueing to drag this thread along... C'est la vie... Have a good day one and all, and goodnight... PFDAN........................................ Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by catlind on Jul 12th, 2003, 8:57am Drk, and everyone else in this thread, I am not now, nor will I ever 'argue' this point or this thread. I'm merely expressing my point of view on the situation :) Like I said, I don't say that you are wrong, or anyone else is wrong for being upset over such acts. Lee Greenwood said it best: Cause the flag still stands for freedom, and they can't take that away. No matter what anyone does to their piece of cloth, they can't take away my freedom. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, or tell you my way is right, and nothing else is. It's my way, not yours. It would sadden me to see anyone blindly persecute a person for acts on the flag, not knowing what their contributions may have already been to this country, and it saddens me to see the lady across the street flying her flag on her car, her house and everywhere else after 9/11, when she didn't even know what the pentagon was (she actually had to ask me what it was after it was struck), and her husband is in the army. In my opinion, the latter is a greater disservice to the flag than the former. I certainly hope you don't think I'm trying to 'argue' the point, I am merely adding my point of view to the discussion. Cat |
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Title: Re: Flying the flag Post by Ted on Jul 12th, 2003, 10:53am Cat's right. Now everybody sing. http://www.stardog2012.homestead.com/files/us_gd_peace.jpg U.S. Blues Lyrics: Robert Hunter Music: Jerry Garcia Red and white, blue suede shoes I'm Uncle Sam, how do you do Gimme five, still alive Ain't no luck, I learned to duck Check my pulse, it don't change Stay seventy two, come shine or rain Wave the flag, pop the bag Rock the boat, skin the goat Chorus Wave that flag, wave it wide and high Summertime done come and gone, my oh my I'm Uncle Sam, that's who I am Been hiding out, in a rock and roll band Shake the hand that shook the hand Of P. T. Barnum and Charlie Chan Shine your shoes, light your fuse Can you use them old U.S. Blues I'll drink your health, share your wealth Run your life, steal your wife [chorus] Back to back, chicken shack Son of a gun, better change your act We're all confused, what's to lose You can call this song the United States Blues [chorus |
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